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Same thing happened with Gateshead and Workington as well. How Football League chairmen had such power to vote out such clubs over a plate of sarnies was really astonishing, but viewed as somewhat democratic at the time.
Peterborough, Oxford (who came in the year after Accrington Stanley folded), Cambridge and Hereford, Wimbledon and Wigan were the six clubs who were voted in by this system in the sixties and seventies until it was abandoned. Wigan, I suppose, had fairly good travel access, but all the other five clubs show a distinct bias to clubs from the south and a nice day out instead of the six northern clubs they replaced.
I’d say the opposite was the case. That the old system which had club chairmen electing new members and voting out old ones preserved a northern bias in the league. It may not have helped outliers like Barrow and Workington, and didn’t Gateshead go bust? Ditto Accy. Since automatic promotion was introduced there have been more southern clubs than northern ones, reflecting the southwards drift of the population and economy. If you look at the National League North there are plenty of ex League towns represented (either the same club or a Phoenix club from the same town). The National League South just has the resurrected Maidstone Utd. The National League is a bit more balanced. |
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| TheRonRaffertyFanClub |
| February 19, 2020, 12:54pm |
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I’d say the opposite was the case. That the old system which had club chairmen electing new members and voting out old ones preserved a northern bias in the league. It may not have helped outliers like Barrow and Workington, and didn’t Gateshead go bust? Ditto Accy.
Since automatic promotion was introduced there have been more southern clubs than northern ones, reflecting the southwards drift of the population and economy.
If you look at the National League North there are plenty of ex League towns represented (either the same club or a Phoenix club from the same town). The National League South just has the resurrected Maidstone Utd. The National League is a bit more balanced.
The old system only helped northern clubs because it was not a one v one vote until non-league reorganised. So the sitting tenant club was always likely to get a majority whether northern or southern. I am sure there were years when half a dozen non league sides were up for election and they did not need to have won their league to do it. |
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68/69 season we were re-elected after finishing 2nd bottom
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| RichMariner |
| February 19, 2020, 1:52pm |
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68/69 season we were re-elected after finishing 2nd bottom
Didn't we used to give the opposition (and referee) some fish when they visited? Might have helped sweeten the deal  |
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Evatt's nailed on to be next Blackpool manager surely?
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| jock dock tower |
| February 19, 2020, 2:24pm |
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Bradford PA went out in 1970 but they were broke. I saw Town play there in that last year and I think there were about 30 of us Town fans (and not many more from Bradford!). They sold off their players and we picked up a decent left winger for very little whose name escapes me. He was never as good for Town and didn't stay long at BP though.
I felt sorry for the northern clubs. We had some connections with Workington with Charlie Wright and Bill Shankly and, apart from McEvoy, Colin Appleton also managed Barrow. Relegation could have happened sooner though because it wasn't until the 4th Div came in and the reorganisation of the non-league pyramid that re-election became a straight choice. Until then any number of non-league clubs could be vying for a place and that split the vote which was why it took Peterborough so long to make it despite being the top non-league side for year after year.
Only player from BPA I can remember who came to Town was Bobby Ham, but that was in 1964. The northern teams were certainly at the disadvantage of the club chairmen.
Looking at the Fourth Division that season, five northern teams and one Welsh team. occupied the bottom six places with Oldham, Workington, Newport, Darlington and Hartleppol. The thing that connected all of them was their reliance on being heavily industrialised. Brentford, Aldershot, Colchester, Southend and Exeter were the only real southern English teams in the league.
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| Knut Anders Fosters Voles |
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Thankfully, Barrow AFC have greater morals than Barcelona and, however poorly the Conference is run, operate in a league that actually attempts to provide a level playing field.
Despite the fact that many of Barcelona's youth players would walk into most teams in La Liga (and have the wages to prove it), 'mes que un bastardo club' have been given dispensation by La Liga to pluck ex-Teeside drystonewaller, Martin Braithwaite, from La Liga relegation zone loiterers, Club Deportivo Leganés.
Yet Leganés do not get any dispensation to replace their 'star striker', so they are almost certainly going to be relegated. A relegation which has been directly affected by Barcelona being unable to operate with a balanced squad and 5punking (admittedly world class 5punk - Sir Alex has started action over his stud rights) over £500k a week on Lionel Messi.
Top level football is truly disgusting and I thank Mr Fenty for his foresight in keeping us well away from it during his tenure.
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| February 19, 2020, 2:39pm |
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Thankfully, Barrow AFC have greater morals than Barcelona and, however poorly the Conference is run, operate in a league that actually attempts to provide a level playing field.
Despite the fact that many of Barcelona's youth players would walk into most teams in La Liga (and have the wages to prove it), 'mes que un bastardo club' have been given dispensation by La Liga to pluck ex-Teeside drystonewaller, Martin Braithwaite, from La Liga relegation zone loiterers, Club Deportivo Leganés.
Yet Leganés do not get any dispensation to replace their 'star striker', so they are almost certainly going to be relegated. A relegation which has been directly affected by Barcelona being unable to operate with a balanced squad and 5punking (admittedly world class 5punk - Sir Alex has started action over his stud rights) over £500k a week on Lionel Messi.
Top level football is truly disgusting and I thank Mr Fenty for his foresight in keeping us well away from it during his tenure.
I struggle to see how FGR, and many others, would get promoted in a league that provided a level playing field. Not heard about the Barca situation. What a load of rubbish, and I will bet Dembele is fit to start next season despite being out for "6 months". |
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| Knut Anders Fosters Voles |
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I struggle to see how FGR, and many others, would get promoted in a league that provided a level playing field.
Not heard about the Barca situation. What a load of rubbish, and I will bet Dembele is fit to start next season despite being out for "6 months".
Admittedly, all of the clubs in La Liga did sign up to the rules at the start of the season and two of the conditions were: - If Barcelona ask you to do something, you do it, or we will take an even larger chunk of the TV rights - If Real Madrid ask you to do something, you do it, or we will take an even larger chunk of the TV rights |
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| Misterton Mariner |
| February 19, 2020, 3:59pm |
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Bradford PA went out in 1970 but they were broke. I saw Town play there in that last year and I think there were about 30 of us Town fans (and not many more from Bradford!). They sold off their players and we picked up a decent left winger for very little whose name escapes me. He was never as good for Town and didn't stay long at BP though.
I felt sorry for the northern clubs. We had some connections with Workington with Charlie Wright and Bill Shankly and, apart from McEvoy, Colin Appleton also managed Barrow. Relegation could have happened sooner though because it wasn't until the 4th Div came in and the reorganisation of the non-league pyramid that re-election became a straight choice. Until then any number of non-league clubs could be vying for a place and that split the vote which was why it took Peterborough so long to make it despite being the top non-league side for year after year.
Geoff Martin also came from Workington
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