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rancido
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So if I read this right. Its okay to be fed shite and okay to expect shite for the forseeable future, as long as we survive? The lack of ambition from the board and SOME supporters is another factor that will maintain us in this relentless cycle of decline.



No, you have read this wrong. I never said it was ok but we could be a lot worse off. I don't know if by SOME supporters you allude to me but that could not be further from the truth. I want us to succeed as much as any fan but I am also a realist and know my limitations in how I can affect the club.Like I said , do you think Stockport fans would trade places with us even with JF running the show. Maybe I am a " glass half full guy " and I have watched town since 1965 so have seen many ups and downs. JF wants out and has made this perfectly clear. In fact I get the impression that once the club changes hands then he wants no more part in the club whatsoever apart from being a fan. Once he goes then we will see what lies before us until then we either carry on turning up or stay away in droves and make a difficult proposition in selling the club that bit harder. The choice is ours.


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I have just seen on the GTFC twitter page that we have scored ONE  home league goal since the 24th August.

I now realise why the attendance was so low.  


Some people are never satisfied. It could have been worse.  



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Some people are never satisfied. It could have been worse.  



I've been spoilt rotten I have  

Joking apart - the reasons people have given for a fall in interest are all valid, but you have to say there has been virtually no excitement on the pitch for the last two seasons.

As we look back over the Jolley era, it is apparent that he had a lot to answer for with his negative and aimless tactics, lack of goals and excitement. It didn't seem quite as bad at the time, but in hindsight what a let down.
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Please with the Stockports and Darlington, we can all throw in a handful of clubs that have made a worse fist of it than us.
What about the 60+ clubs that sit ABOVE us in the EFL, that far out numbers the Burys and Chesters of this world.
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The definition of success between the Board and the fans is a chasm.  That is a big minus for starters.

Actively getting new (mainly young) fans in should be a top priority. They should also then suffer the many lows as we have over x decades. 😢. This new blood is needed as we fall by the wayside or just expire.

Equally, the Club need to look after their current, but diminishing loyal core of fans.  We are the current cash-flow that keeps the club going.  Which also helps attract some younger/new fans.  They are the future and not yet sadly disillusioned.

Many of the comments above from long-term fans are very sad. It is true though that there is only so many false-dawns that a person endure before cynicism and disinterest takes over.  

Never mind the dire football, decrepit stadium and poor leadership year-on-year.  It is the false hope that gets to you. New ground, new owners and an injection of money etc.

Without reasonable glimmers of hope for a better future then we are done.

I have to travel 130 miles to home games.  I have missed a few games this season and have not regretted going.  First time since the mid 1960s.   (although we did miss Docks Beers).  

I do not think that the visit to Cardiff was a “good day out or positive”.  As mentioned above when referring to John Fenty saying we had reached finals. It was a very long way to go to lose to a team that we beaten twice that season.  The timing of a managerial change was also awful.  So was the train back to Newport, which was full of Cheltenham fans.

A terrible day when promotion was probable.  The misery was to prepare us for future and even worse times.  Little did we know what was down the line.


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We just need to get to 50 points and job done. That's about the level of ambition coming from the club since we got back in the league.
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Nobodies trying to guilt anybody into anything but as usual Ska you go straight for the throat of the board as Scargill went straight for the throat of Thatcher....
You tell me the solution then, where is the money, investment, buyer coming from?...
I know the board is culpable of incompetence in the appointment of several managers but, as it stands, we still have a club to support...
The Draconian attitude is to say "f@ck this, I ain't going while he's in his comfy seat" and if you think that works then good for you but ask the dockers,, miners, steel workers if it worked for them??..
Complain about the board until your blue in the face but they're going nowhere, not now, not next month, next year because no fool is going to buy a club with no fan base...that's where I am ultimately coming from..


You appear to have forced yourself in to an analogy without really thinking it through - not to worry, I think I’ve picked your argument out from your incoherent ramblings.

The problem for the miners and the dockers is that they often had no other choice but to work in those industries. If they closed, they would struggle to find any other meaningful work. If town fans decide not to go on a Saturday, there’s a million other things they could do with their time and money.The club seem to overestimate their appeal and underestimate their competition.

They have also shown absolutely no desire to understand the fan base, their lives, their commitments, their circumstances, what they want from the club, why they go to matches, why they don’t go to matches, etc. I bet the club have absolutely no idea how many fans travel to home games from outside the area each week, when we all know the proportion of exiled fans at GTFC is enormous.

The club is run by a politician absolutely, ideologically committed to cutting costs and running services in the cheapest possible manner while maintaining the facade of a fully-functioning service. Outsourced, poorly trained stewards? Just do enough to cover the legal requirements, we don’t really need them. CJD burgers? They’re good enough for me, eat up serfs! Investment requested by promotion winning manager? You’ve got a new portacabin, what else do you want? If you don’t like it you can leave! The man knows the price of everything and the value of nothing...

Wishing for a bit of “football fortune” might balance the books at the end of the year, but it’s not a viable, long-term strategy to keep fans coming through the gates. The thought of a juicy cup draw isn’t going to get families to sit at BP on a p1ss-wet Tuesday night in November when we’re already out of all cups and on the slide in the league.

Blind loyalty can only stretch so far, and that is often determined by how long people can justify throwing good money after bad. I wouldn’t expect a multi-millionaire in Humberstone to understand the difficulties of a parent trying to scrape £50 together every fortnight to sit in the cold, or a why a 150-mile round trip plus petrol, plus a £20 ticket, plus an arbitrary tax of £1 just for having ordered a ticket isn’t so appealing to many exiles. I’d expect them to make an effort to try though.

As far as I’m concerned, I can’t see myself putting another penny into GTFC unless something drastic changes - and that doesn’t mean another face in the dugout.
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You appear to have forced yourself in to an analogy without really thinking it through - not to worry, I think I’ve picked your argument out from your incoherent ramblings.

The problem for the miners and the dockers is that they often had no other choice but to work in those industries. If they closed, they would struggle to find any other meaningful work. If town fans decide not to go on a Saturday, there’s a million other things they could do with their time and money.The club seem to overestimate their appeal and underestimate their competition.

They have also shown absolutely no desire to understand the fan base, their lives, their commitments, their circumstances, what they want from the club, why they go to matches, why they don’t go to matches, etc. I bet the club have absolutely no idea how many fans travel to home games from outside the area each week, when we all know the proportion of exiled fans at GTFC is enormous.

The club is run by a politician absolutely, ideologically committed to cutting costs and running services in the cheapest possible manner while maintaining the facade of a fully-functioning service. Outsourced, poorly trained stewards? Just do enough to cover the legal requirements, we don’t really need them. CJD burgers? They’re good enough for me, eat up serfs! Investment requested by promotion winning manager? You’ve got a new portacabin, what else do you want? If you don’t like it you can leave! The man knows the price of everything and the value of nothing...

Wishing for a bit of “football fortune” might balance the books at the end of the year, but it’s not a viable, long-term strategy to keep fans coming through the gates. The thought of a juicy cup draw isn’t going to get families to sit at BP on a p1ss-wet Tuesday night in November when we’re already out of all cups and on the slide in the league.

Blind loyalty can only stretch so far, and that is often determined by how long people can justify throwing good money after bad. I wouldn’t expect a multi-millionaire in Humberstone to understand the difficulties of a parent trying to scrape £50 together every fortnight to sit in the cold, or a why a 150-mile round trip plus petrol, plus a £20 ticket, plus an arbitrary tax of £1 just for having ordered a ticket isn’t so appealing to many exiles. I’d expect them to make an effort to try though.

As far as I’m concerned, I can’t see myself putting another penny into GTFC unless something drastic changes - and that doesn’t mean another face in the dugout.


Well, you may as well keep banking your hard earned money then, because there is nothing on the horizon in the form of change.

I will not defend the board, not their shortsightedness.

Unfortunately we are just not an attractive proposition.

Fenty has put in just enough to keep the club afloat we all know that and if I'm honest, that's fair enough, but we need more, we want more but we are not getting more.

So you can either, change accept, let go or sit at home and forget this club ever existed, because I'll guarantee we have no NEW money coming our way soon.
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You appear to have forced yourself in to an analogy without really thinking it through - not to worry, I think I’ve picked your argument out from your incoherent ramblings.

The problem for the miners and the dockers is that they often had no other choice but to work in those industries. If they closed, they would struggle to find any other meaningful work. If town fans decide not to go on a Saturday, there’s a million other things they could do with their time and money.The club seem to overestimate their appeal and underestimate their competition.

They have also shown absolutely no desire to understand the fan base, their lives, their commitments, their circumstances, what they want from the club, why they go to matches, why they don’t go to matches, etc. I bet the club have absolutely no idea how many fans travel to home games from outside the area each week, when we all know the proportion of exiled fans at GTFC is enormous.

The club is run by a politician absolutely, ideologically committed to cutting costs and running services in the cheapest possible manner while maintaining the facade of a fully-functioning service. Outsourced, poorly trained stewards? Just do enough to cover the legal requirements, we don’t really need them. CJD burgers? They’re good enough for me, eat up serfs! Investment requested by promotion winning manager? You’ve got a new portacabin, what else do you want? If you don’t like it you can leave! The man knows the price of everything and the value of nothing...

Wishing for a bit of “football fortune” might balance the books at the end of the year, but it’s not a viable, long-term strategy to keep fans coming through the gates. The thought of a juicy cup draw isn’t going to get families to sit at BP on a p1ss-wet Tuesday night in November when we’re already out of all cups and on the slide in the league.

Blind loyalty can only stretch so far, and that is often determined by how long people can justify throwing good money after bad. I wouldn’t expect a multi-millionaire in Humberstone to understand the difficulties of a parent trying to scrape £50 together every fortnight to sit in the cold, or a why a 150-mile round trip plus petrol, plus a £20 ticket, plus an arbitrary tax of £1 just for having ordered a ticket isn’t so appealing to many exiles. I’d expect them to make an effort to try though.

As far as I’m concerned, I can’t see myself putting another penny into GTFC unless something drastic changes - and that doesn’t mean another face in the dugout.


Absolutely bang on right.


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Its taken me about 20 odd minutes to read all these posts,

I have a theory that most might agree with,

We play boring football with very few thrills or goals and the crowd will stay at home on a cold Tuesday night in November.

We turn things round playing fast exciting football with plenty of thrills and goals and the crowds will flock back.

Just ask Laurie Mcmenemy.


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