Last night's attendance

Quoted from marinerdazza

I'm a season ticket holder, I didn't go. it's a 140 mile round trip for me and a very late night. The weather, the Newport game and the general malaise around the Jolley situation made sure I stayed home. I can't blame iFollow because I didn't watch it on that either. To be fair, I actually wish I had at least watched it online given the reports.

As far as we're concerned there are no "big name" managers who'll get bums on seats. The names floated around once a manager has been sacked are always a wake up call. Most posters, myself included, are getting used to the reality that we'd be unlikely to entice Barrow's manager in the league below. I'm pretty sure we tried to get John Askey when he was at Macclesfield, but failed.

I don't like hasty appointments and I think that changing managers mid season is often the start of a dangerous downward spiral. Especially with our reverse midas touch in this area.

For what it's worth, I think Limbrick and Davies should be given it until the end of the season and then take a view. If they're not up to it, it'll have been obvious to the board for some time and they can make a considered decision then.

I think you have encapsulated the dilemma, as it were.

The most effective way to put bums on seats is by a reboot. But nobody with a name wants to come here and reboot us. So we appoint not very good managers who drift us further into the mire and more fans desert the ship. If someone helps us to tread water then we grab at the chance and we say "Give him a chance to build something and we might keep the 2.5k supporters and even add another 1k every home game which will help towards another player/portakabin."

If he does manage to arrest the decline a bit he is sainted and will no doubt leave for higher things. If not he gets the boot because we sank back into the mire again but a little bit deeper this time. We give the Limbrick/Davies duo some time and then what? We are lower mid-table.  We give them a bit more and a bit more time until it is clear they are not the answer and we are actually worse off than when they started. Are we more attractive or less attractive to prospective managers next February or May than we are this December if the L&D team does not flourish? While I understand this point of view, we  keep on doing it and just getting nowhere fast.

I don't know whether L&D can do any good but they have to do some serious PR with the fans on the way the team plays and some serious work with the players to find a cutting edge to the play before it's too late. If the manager thinks like some fans that Tuesday was a good performance then we are doomed. We all seem to agree there is the basis of a side there with the addition of some width, but is there any cutting edge to the management to get the results?

I’m a season ticket holder and so is my Dad, he’s very ill so neither of us are going at the mo. Our slight improvement in performance we are hearing about by your good selves his helping his mood. We’re hoping to make it for the Swindon match which will be his first this season. UTM

Quoted from ginnywings

You can keep blaming the fans, but ultimately, it was the board who did for Bury. At least they got to see a promotion season before the sh1t hit the fan.

And a fat lot of good that did them.

Whatever happens I just sincerely hope we don't end up like another Stockport, Wrexham, Chesterfield or Notts County. A bunch of passionate fans wishing for the "glory days" of League Football and constantly saying "it was JF that did this to us". As much as we don't like what has happened under his tenure, I bet fans of the clubs I have mentioned would rather be in our shoes with JF at the helm than in their own situation.

Quoted from rancido

Whatever happens I just sincerely hope we don't end up like another Stockport, Wrexham, Chesterfield or Notts County. A bunch of passionate fans wishing for the "glory days" of League Football and constantly saying "it was JF that did this to us". As much as we don't like what has happened under his tenure, I bet fans of the clubs I have mentioned would rather be in our shoes with JF at the helm than in their own situation.

So if I read this right. Its okay to be fed shite and okay to expect shite for the forseeable future, as long as we survive? The lack of ambition from the board and SOME supporters is another factor that will maintain us in this relentless cycle of decline.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

The products been devalued to the point that's it's worthless. Chaos and Ginny got this smack on, we are dreadful and cannot even compete in the basement division.

It's nothing to do with the level of support, we have been well supported at this level and still shite.  Everyone has their limit.

In the latest JF interview with RH, something he said stuck out for me. I was pleasantly surprised at the tone of his voice and also his admission that things haven't been as successful as he would have liked under his tenure, but then went on to claim as a big positive on his custodial CV that he had led the club to six games at national stadiums. This is where the disconnect with the majority of the fanbase lies (that includes the thousands that have drifted off over the past decade and a half), and why the product has been devalued so much. It's because standards have been set too low by those in charge.

Let's look at the six visits to the national stadium..

2006 play-off final v Cheltenham.. that gets a tick but it's 13 years ago
2008 tinpot v MKD that gets a tick as it was a payday, a day out for the fans at the new Wembley, but it's nearly twelve years ago
The rest.. the two play off finals and two FA Trophy finals were non-league competitions, they shouldn't count as anything like feather in the cap success to put on a CV. We all felt the relief of beating FGR and returning to the League, but glory, not in a million years.

Nothing has been done to make the club progressive. No co-opting on the board of further ideas and investment in a very, very long time. Pretty much nearly everything the club tries to do is on a shoestring and lacks finesse. Patched up this, patched up that, harris fencing littered around the ground. It really is shoddy.

It's like someone else has said. We're pootling along until JF gets his money back. No ostensible plans for the future. Just stump up your money for the way things have always been done. Treading water, which is actually regressive when comparing to other clubs, coupled with a lack of vision and perennial poor football equals 2500 gates.

For his sake and ours, I hope JF pulls a rabbit out of the hat to push this club forward. Not just a manager, much more than that. I want him to have a better legacy than six national stadium visits with four not even counting. If he goes out and grabs himself a better legacy than that, then we'll all be happy, but fans present and lapsed are still waiting, holding their breath..

Quoted from oochiad

I’m a season ticket holder and so is my Dad, he’s very ill so neither of us are going at the mo. Our slight improvement in performance we are hearing about by your good selves his helping his mood. We’re hoping to make it for the Swindon match which will be his first this season. UTM

I don't suppose that you sit in The Upper Smiths Row P do you. There are 2 seats just to the left of where I sit that are supposed to be season ticket holders and no one has sat in them at any game this season yet.

No Les Brechin, we’re in the main stand row G.

Its simple, we attend games to be entertained, yes there is some loyalty too but that loyalty can become stretched, I stopped going for a while when Hurst was manager after a game against Barrow, it was truely dire and I didnt enjoy the afternoon at all, that expereince was the tipping point and made me realise I didnt want to justify the financial outlay to not be entertained.

I have just seen on the GTFC twitter page that we have scored ONE  home league goal since the 24th August.

I now realise why the attendance was so low.