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As things stand and considering current form, I’d love to know where we’re getting 57 points from.....

We certainly need to start winning the odd game, yes we have games in hand but we are only six points off the bottom team now.



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It’s hard to try and understand this
It’s about what u see on the pitch
And what I’ve seen on the pitch these last half a dozen games or so that I’ve seen hasn’t been, urmmmm inspiring
I think we have the occasional glimpse of been better but then go back to looking timid and lightweight
If Macca hadn't saved that pen at Camb that would have been Another game lost
Think the players are overall better but something is getting lost in the communication
6 points off bottom is not improvement
Salford where absolutely shite and they are now above us
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Maybe I'm going against the general consensus here but I think we should be able to get the 38 points we need from the next 31 games to hit that 57 points mark....
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Jeez......somebody paraphrases a normal interview response and its lets hang Jolley out to dry...FFS.

Jolley actually says his first target is to surpass last seasons points tally  which will hopefully then push us up the table. He then points out that the table is fairly open and moves can be made pretty quickly.  
We found that when we didnt lose for a few and have found it again when we have lost a few.
Plenty of people on here have pointed out the freaky topsy turvy results over the last few weeks, teams winning 4-0 then losing 4-0, form out of the window and games that look like bankers flipping over.

We dont have the budget, the infrastructure, the board or leadership to be Championship or League 1 and probably not even top of League 2, and there arent that many proven managers knocking about at this level waiting for us to call them either to help us out perform what sadly is our current natural level.

There is talk of the budget this season, now i dont know if it has increased much over recent seasons, more than inflation that is,  but i have heard and reading between lines have surmised myself that what has changed is the wage structure. Macca "hauling the club over the coals" over his new contract was a result of that i believe, players coming in on a higher wage than was previously paid when Macca signed his last contract.

Has the budget actually increased or was Jolley allowed to break the structure to sign better quality players while the overall budget remained similar, meaning thinner squad and also the use of youth ie cheaper players to balance the books ?  

Jolley is our fourth manager since returning to the league, we have turned over god knows how many players in that time...all very similar to the build up of the last time we dropped out of the League, a change of manager and no doubt philosophy and squad again would IMO be fking disastrous.





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No ones hanging MJ out to dry. Football is results business. MJ is not delivering the required results at the moment and as my stats in an earlier post prove the results since the start of January have declined considerably. This isn’t a short term decline. It’s been going on for 10 calendar months.

His results in 2018 averaged 64-65 points over a full season. His results in 2019 would get us 52 points.

It is hardly surprising that fans are starting to question whether MJ is capable of delivering success.

Everyone seems to think we have a better squad than he inherited and the budget (and infrastructure) have improved since he took over. Why have results gone the opposite way?

Let’s be honest, if Slade delivered the results that Jolley has then he’d be public enemy number 1 and would have already been sacked.

Why Jolley gets away with it is a mystery to me. He talks a good game, but delivers naff all in the bread and butter competition (League Two).
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This is apparently Mr Jolley’s target as he seeks year on year improvement. A team “pushing up towards the top end of the table” is his aim.

[url] https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/grimsby-town-league-two-jolley-3503193[/url]

Now, I know we should take the GT stuff with a very large barrel of salt but is this really what we can expect? A slog up to 57 points and a spot somewhere near upper mid-table. Not even aiming for the play-offs now then?

I have little time for JF but I would not blame him if he was somewhat annoyed by this lukewarm ambition for the season when the manager has been given a pretty reasonably budget and it is only November.



So you have taken one part of a statement by MJ and used that to determine your slant on things. I can find no reference at all in the statement by MJ that mentions 57 points as a target. All he says is that he wants to improve on last seasons tally of 56 points and you have then assumed  that 57 is the target. As long as we keep improving on previous seasons and the club keeps making a profit then that is fine by me. That is not acceptiong mediocrity, it is building a stable base and platform for future seasons.


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No ones hanging MJ out to dry. Football is results business. MJ is not delivering the required results at the moment and as my stats in an earlier post prove the results since the start of January have declined considerably. This isn’t a short term decline. It’s been going on for 10 calendar months.

His results in 2018 averaged 64-65 points over a full season. His results in 2019 would get us 52 points.

It is hardly surprising that fans are starting to question whether MJ is capable of delivering success.

Everyone seems to think we have a better squad than he inherited and the budget (and infrastructure) have improved since he took over. Why have results gone the opposite way?

Let’s be honest, if Slade delivered the results that Jolley has then he’d be public enemy number 1 and would have already been sacked.

Why Jolley gets away with it is a mystery to me. He talks a good game, but delivers naff all in the bread and butter competition (League Two).


Happy for Jolley to get the boot provided you can divulge the name of the manager who is available, who we can afford, who would
be prepared to come here, and (most importantly) would guarantee improvement/success.

It's not as easy as "I don't like this manager- so let's get a new one..." .
Particularly as JF's managerial appointment history is rather sketchy, to say the least. Be careful what you wish for.


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So you have taken one part of a statement by MJ and used that to determine your slant on things. I can find no reference at all in the statement by MJ that mentions 57 points as a target. All he says is that he wants to improve on last seasons tally of 56 points and you have then assumed  that 57 is the target. As long as we keep improving on previous seasons and the club keeps making a profit then that is fine by me. That is not acceptiong mediocrity, it is building a stable base and platform for future seasons.


That is just a nit-pick. It is accepting mediocrity. This stable base idea for a club can be ruined by one loose brick. We are a good run away from the play-offs but we are also only a bad run away from relegation bother. That is the reality of this division, you either aim to go up and out, in which case you achieve or you end up top half, or at least you have a cushion against bad breaks. Or, you just aim for "stability" in which case the only two options are mid-table survival or go down. In any case stability implies some consistency and that is now surely a word no-one could possibly apply to MJ.

Nobody is saying spend spend spend, and ruin the club financially.  My point is all about the managing of the side that he (and it is now his alone) has put together and the way he operates his selections and tactics. Other people have been making the point that he seems to be getting away with things now when past managers have been caned by the fans for negativity and mediocre ambitions and I think that is fair comment. We were all prepared to give the bloke a chance, he talked and talked and talked some more, even if his actual track record was not brilliant he looked as if he might have some contacts. And we liked his talk didn't we? That pressing game he promised, getting players forward, quality balls into the box, being positive ..... seems an age ago.

To my mind his one success to date has been in bringing on some younger players. As a manager whose job it is to get the club onwards and upwards he is not doing so well  after a goodly amount of time, goodwill and leeway and despite some pretty reasonable budget backing. Yet all he says is that we aim to "improve". His only consistency is in setting the bar low enough to make achievement easier.

In a nutshell MJ is not consistently producing the goods on the park. In the end you cannot just hang on to someone who is failing to achieve football success purely because there appear to be no other alternative managers on the horizon.



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The managers can come and go.

But while the budget and the playing/training conditions remain the same not much will change.  Just the names.  

And for those that can’t understand why our budget doesn’t appear to match our attendances compared to other clubs.  It’s because they have more outside income than we do.
Whilst BP has some fantastic memories for me, it is now a millstone around our neck.


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The managers can come and go.

But while the budget and the playing/training conditions remain the same not much will change.  Just the names.  

And for those that can’t understand why our budget doesn’t appear to match our attendances compared to other clubs.  It’s because they have more outside income than we do.
Whilst BP has some fantastic memories for me, it is now a millstone around our neck.


I agree about BP but don’t forget Civvy, that situation has existed for years. The Would board knew it was a money pit in the early 60s even when Tommy Wilkinson’s blokes were doing the maintenance they wanted to move to Cambridge Road. The Ramsdens wanted to have the “Findus” as the main stand and fortunes were spent getting the facilities and power over that side to dressing rooms we never used. Those nights against Everton and the like were at least the catalyst to getting the Barrett removed. What did we get from the next big push in the Buckley era? That was where things really stagnated. But it is chicken and egg. Build first and hope? Get success on the pitch first and hope?



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