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denni266
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Football is a simple game, divide the pitch into four quarters.
Left sided players, ie those with a left foot play on the left and right footed players, play on the right.
Gives the correct balance, those with pace play out wide.
So Mr Jolley you lost sight of the fundamentals on Saturday and got it all bottom about face, hence the woeful first half.
You're fault 100%


That is spot on.. The point i was making in the o p . was it was not the players fault but Jolley who got it wrong again , and he them blamed the players. But some on here are that far up his behind they are more bothered about  spelling mistakes
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Yeah but if a player isn't getting in the team the fans think he's better than he has been when playing.


Maybe so. I just remember how well we played up to Christmas last year with Vernam in the team and then went on a bad run after he got his knee injury. I don't think he scores as often as he might but he certainly has more quality than most.
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Jolley might have got it wrong but you cannot excuse the players on Saturday for playing without determination or engaging their brains, or doing the simple things properly.


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Vernam wasn't on the bench for the Mansfield game - Green came on for Wright and did exactly what he did against Salford - tried too hard against a former club which had a negative rather than positive effect.

I understand why some like Green - he works really hard but, to me, he offers less threat than Wright, Rose, Vernam, Ogbu and possibly even Cook.


Thought you were talking about Saturday


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That is spot on.. The point i was making in the o p . was it was not the players fault but Jolley who got it wrong again , and he them blamed the players. But some on here are that far up his behind they are more bothered about  spelling mistakes


Whilst I agree that the selection was odd, there's no excusing that performance, particularly in the first half.
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Jolley might have got it wrong but you cannot excuse the players on Saturday for playing without determination or engaging their brains, or doing the simple things properly.


Perhaps they feel as bewildered as we do about the selections and tactics. Messing about like Jolley has been doing is not exactly conducive to team spirit.

Is it just my imagination or are we hearing  less public comment from the players at the moment?





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Is it just my imagination or are we hearing  less public comment from the players at the moment?





I think the players make more comments when we win - there were plenty of tweets after the win at Exeter.

Even Dean Henderson went quiet after his mistake against Liverpool.
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Yeah I've not seen many of late, although all they'd say is "gutted about today, we go again, fans were class as usual 🙌" anyway!


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I see the buzz words moulded into a phrase of sorts is "we go again."

Well unless we are planning not to fulfil our fixtures, I will take that as a given.

What I would prefer to hear is what we are we going to do to improve our chances of threatening the play-off places.

A reasonable start is in danger of coming off the rails unless we stop making unenforced errors, and start getting some shots away.

I wasn't there on Saturday, but by all accounts we were shocking, but in the Mansfield game we never gave the keeper a shot to save.

We have better players this season by some margin; they need to be moulded into an attacking unit that works and get us back on track.

My comments are as obvious as "we go again" I suppose, but one thing I would change for the better is getting rid of the negative mindset about how good the opposition are and how good their manager is that we hear every week. If it is to reduce expectations we are not stupid; we are in league 2 for Gods sake not the Champions League. Play an attacking line up with players in form and who are training well and attack the opposition and let them worry about things.

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It’s hard to understand fully what was meant by the slightly clumsy overstatement that is the title of this thread, but, nonetheless , I think it would be unfair to be over critical of MJ after 2 disappointing results.
We need to stay balanced I reckon.

Lots of people favour a settled team selection and it’s chicken and egg when your results are up and down like ours are. Most people are now advocating changes to last weeks starting 11 and will be vocally critical if he doesn’t exchange some starters, but then others will call it more ‘tinkering’. He’s a bit stuck if the players don’t deliver, like they didnt last Saturday, with basic errors everywhere. And.....how many would, of course, benefit from a ‘run in the team - just like Vernam. Difficulty is - you’re only gonna get that after successive good results, you play well when you get the chance, and it can only really be achieved  if you don’t pick up injuries or suspensions, like we have.

Our basic problem is - we have better players this season than last, but too many of them are not performing to the standards they’ve shown/set on a regular basis. We have too many changes in selection and two many playing ‘out of their best position’, much of which, in fairness,  is enforced, of course. And, we are palpably and frustratingly short of a natural, wide attacking player or two, only having one, who’s now injured.


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