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I don't mind the Plan A of using Hanson too much. The problem is that we just don't play it well enough. The service in to him is terrible and we don't have players around him to pick up the pieces because the midfield are deep and we're lacking in pace. I think Jolley was hoping for a Hanson/Green partnership to really click but it has been the opposite as they are rarely close enough to each other to link up.


If I was Hanson I would be quite pi55ed off with the lack of service. Like you I can see the uses of a line leader who will not be bullied in the box. But you have to, you MUST get quality crosses into the box for him. A mixture of the Wright breakaway speed plus Hanson’s heading would be almost unstoppable in this league. Agree about Green but I think he is playing to orders and will be as pi55ed off as Hanson.

But the top and bottom of this inconsistency is in the word itself. If you have inconsistent tactics, inconsistent team selection then you get inconsistent performances. We were told when he cam how intelligent Jolley is but as far as the basics of winning games and building a successful team system is concerned he and his mate have been found lacking. Laptops do not get you pitch points, only Powerpoints.



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I think we fall between two stools due to the selection
Neither a fast, slick passing team or an effective and direct long ball team
It's sort of "Let's lump it up there and see what happens...play on the hoof...bits and pieces...flicks...
But is leads to directionless and sloppy football
Players out of position; widemen in the centre of the pitch and vice versa; left backs at right back and vice versa

You have to decide MJ - show some balls IMO and be prepared to 'drop' Hanson, Green and Whitehouse (especially when Max is fit again)

Teams evolve and something that looked OK in first 2/3 weeks is not always the way forward - the Exeter game for me was very telling and revealing

Front payers in their natural positions; a great midfield balance; Pollock!;

I think we have the players; I think we have the squad

But Green and Whitehouse (poss Hanson - the fear is if he plays we go long too easily and often) are part of Plan B - on the bench

But above all decide what we are Michael - long ball or a passing team...from the first whistle!
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whichever side of the fence you sit on regards yesterday's 70 mins non performance lets not forget the display against Mansfield was as poor and therefore changes to the starting 11 were probably required.
Whether the changes following the win at Exeter were needed for the Mansfield game is another issue though.



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whichever side of the fence you sit on regards yesterday's 70 mins non performance lets not forget the display against Mansfield was as poor and therefore changes to the starting 11 were probably required.
Whether the changes following the win at Exeter were needed for the Mansfield game is another issue though.


I can't easily understand why you would want to change a side - that had just won away at the hitherto
unbeaten league leaders - against a lower-ranked team at home. You can think too much...
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If I was Hanson I would be quite pi55ed off with the lack of service. Like you I can see the uses of a line leader who will not be bullied in the box. But you have to, you MUST get quality crosses into the box for him. A mixture of the Wright breakaway speed plus Hanson’s heading would be almost unstoppable in this league. Agree about Green but I think he is playing to orders and will be as pi55ed off as Hanson.

But the top and bottom of this inconsistency is in the word itself. If you have inconsistent tactics, inconsistent team selection then you get inconsistent performances. We were told when he cam how intelligent Jolley is but as far as the basics of winning games and building a successful team system is concerned he and his mate have been found lacking. Laptops do not get you pitch points, only Powerpoints.


I have 8 O-Levels     3 A Levels  and a degree  I might be intelligent but this doesn't make me an intelligent football manager. If you look at some of the thicko's who are highly paid managers it certainly points to the fact that intelligence in FOOTBALL and not necessarily anything else is the main factor in football success. Maybe certain people need to improve their intelligence in the field that they are employed in. If you learn by your mistakes all well and good but you have to be intelligent enough to realise what those mistakes are.
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I think MJ is floundering his team selections are bad, we have zero pace and his main plan is to lump it up to Hanson.

I fear he’s on one of his bad runs again.!
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I do wonder whether he picked too strong a team for the Sunderland game. Hewitt, Whitehouse, Cook, Davis and Green all played the full 90 in that game. All three subbed players played the full 90 at the SOL. Would they have been better being fresher for the match that mattered?


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I do wonder whether he picked too strong a team for the Sunderland game. Hewitt, Whitehouse, Cook, Davis and Green all played the full 90 in that game. All three subbed players played the full 90 at the SOL. Would they have been better being fresher for the match that mattered?


100% this IMHO.

The frustrating thing is that we seem to find a formula and then discard it. Also we insist on going ariel to Hanson when he’s just as much of a handful when you play it into him on the ground.


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100% this IMHO.

The frustrating thing is that we seem to find a formula and then discard it. Also we insist on going ariel to Hanson when he’s just as much of a handful when you play it into him on the ground.


Going to out this to you, could it be that Macca, who is becoming a club legend, is slightly at fault for this??...
Lll and Monkhouse spring to mind, the fact JM can't help but lump it out to the big man??...
Maybe, just maybe he needs to be told to move the ball quicker and play out through the midfield rather than resorting to route 1...just think the temptation is too much for him....
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Going to out this to you, could it be that Macca, who is becoming a club legend, is slightly at fault for this??...
Lll and Monkhouse spring to mind, the fact JM can't help but lump it out to the big man??...
Maybe, just maybe he needs to be told to move the ball quicker and play out through the midfield rather than resorting to route 1...just think the temptation is too much for him....


Agree with this - though I would add that it's not Hanson that's the problem, it's the players selected around him.
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