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Grimsby2012
October 2, 2019, 10:49pm

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It wasn't the largest democratic mandate in UK history. More nonsensical claims from the Brexiteers.

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-referendum-not-largest-democratic-exercise/


No, but they still won.... Fact check that 😘


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Which one? Johnson or Vince?


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It wasn't the largest democratic mandate in UK history. More nonsensical claims from the Brexiteers.

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-referendum-not-largest-democratic-exercise/


Okay,
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“the largest mandate for anything in British political history”. This is a more accurate version of the claim


to cite your source.

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Don't like or trust Boris for the record, but I loathe more the MP's who feel they know better than their leave voting constituencies and go back on the manifestos they were elected on, Labour, Tory or other. All said they would the honour result of referendum in 2017 General Election.



Let's have all constituencies represented by an MP who honours their democratic wishes, but the current hangers-on refuse by-elections where applicable and now a General Election! This zombie parliament would be no more and we'd actually get somewhere... No wonder us peasants are furious!

True democrats on the Remain side also agree the result should be respected.
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Have you done any research since 2016 as it’s not evident in your conclusions..?


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Don't like or trust Boris for the record, but I loathe more the MP's who feel they know better than their leave voting constituencies and go back on the manifestos they were elected on, Labour, Tory or other. All said they would the honour result of referendum in 2017 General Election.



Let's have all constituencies represented by an MP who honours their democratic wishes, but the current hangers-on refuse by-elections where applicable and now a General Election! This zombie parliament would be no more and we'd actually get somewhere... No wonder us peasants are furious!

True democrats on the Remain side also agree the result should be respected.


Sorry Rik but this is a massive over simplification that is one of the root causes of the stalemate. "Just honour the result" suggests that M.P.s should jump at the first opportunity to vote for a deal. Were that the case then May's deal would have sailed through. It didn't and ultimately failed to do so because approximately 100 Tory M.P.s who've spent the last few years telling anyone who would listen how we'd be better out of the E.U.  voted against it. It smacks of the worst sort of double standards if people laud the likes of the ERG for their stance whilst criticising those so called Remain M.P.s for theirs. The fundamental issue is what people believe their M.P. is elected to do. There was no clear steer on what Brexit actually should look like so M.P.s were left to try to make sense of it. The likes of Melanie Onn voted against Mays deal because it didn't offer protection for jobs etc. Rees-Mogg voted against because it didn't go far enough. The reasons are irrelevant because the nett result is we are currently still in the E.U. Either all dissenters are to blame or none.


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Absolutely correct Barra


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People who shout for Brexit from any other background than the aristocracy are quite frankly brain dead morons. Look at the type of people who champion it; Rees-Mogg, Farage, Johnson, Banks, Odey, Trump. You've lost your minds if you think this is about anything other than already rich pieces of excrement making themselves even richer by shorting the pound with their hedge funds. Wake the intercourse up people!


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People who shout for Brexit from any other background than the aristocracy are quite frankly brain dead morons. Look at the type of people who champion it; Rees-Mogg, Farage, Johnson, Banks, Odey, Trump. You've lost your minds if you think this is about anything other than already rich pieces of excrement making themselves even richer by shorting the pound with their hedge funds. Wake the intercourse up people!


The people will find themselves on the dole, sat at home in their Union Jack boxers sat with pride that they ‘got their country back’. They’ll vote Tory or Brexit party in the next GE and more than likely vote for policies that stagnate the dole money they’d get whilst the cost of living rises so they struggle to pay bills and feed themselves but at least their vote will stop freedom of movement for them foreigns who’ve stolen their jobs at the hand car washes and in the fields that they were in before. Their health will deteriorate and they’ll have voted for more and eventual complete privatisation for the NHS but at least ‘British fish’ will be back on docks etc etc etc.

It’s depressing that the 48% will have to suffer this fate too - if it was 80-20 or even 70-30 it might be easier to live with but so near to a 50-50 split it’s hard to stomach.
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Okay,

to cite your source.



It appears that you have forgotten that in general elections, it isn't a binary question. Everyone has several candidates to vote for so the chart posted stupidly compares apples to oranges. If we had a presidential system as in the US, with just two people to vote for most of the time the comparison would be valid, but we don't so it isn't. Whoever produced the chart is either stupid or disingenuous. My guess is disingenuous, as dishonesty was what we saw with most of the Vote Leave claims before the previous referendum. It's just more false propaganda to confuse people who don't have a grasp of the reality.

Anyway, regarding the referendum, it was advisory only. Parliament is still sovereign so it is up to them to decide what to do. Let Johnson get his agreement (or not) and then put that to another, legally-binding referendum. At least then the public will know what they are voting for and if they go for leave, then fair enough. God Help us, but fair enough.

What I don't understand is why would anybody touting democratic accountability want to stop a confirmatory referendum once the details have been nailed down and everyone knows what they are actually voting for? Remember in the lead up to the previous referendum how a deal would be the easiest thing to agree, trade deals would be falling from the sky, there was no mention of the customs union, little said about the single market? Let's have a confirmatory referendum where people are actually educated and informed about what will happen if we still vote to leave. I'm not talking about "Project Fear", here. Let's just use the government forecasts as to the likelihood of what will occur.

Let's also have a less supine media which is willing to fact check claims from either side of the debate to ensure that people aren't making their decision based on complete porky pies.
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