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I've seen various people on twitter using the example of John Coleman as Accrington Stanley manager as an example of what can be achieved if you give a manager time. It's a ridiculous comparison and here's why...

1st May 1999 - John Coleman appointed Accrington Stanley manager following their relegation to Northern Premier League Division One.
1999/2000 - Northern Premier League Division One Champions.
2000/2001 - Northern Premier League Premier Division 9th.
2001/2002 - Northern Premier League Premier Division 6th.
2002/2003 - Northern Premier League Premier Division Champions.
2003/2004 - Football Conference 10th.
Summer 2004 - Turned Professional.
2004/2005 - Football Conference 10th.
2005/2006 - Football Conference Champions.

So, in his first 7 seasons as ASFC manager he took over a relegated semi-professional club & took them to 3 promotions and into the Football League only 2 years after overseeing the club turn professional. In all 7 of those seasons he delivered more league wins than defeats and even in the non-promotion seasons the 2nd season saw the club achieved better results than the 1st season at that level. He managed exactly 300 league games in those 7 seasons and won 155 matches (51.7%) and lost only 76 (25.3%).

His record of season after season improvement continued in the Football League...

2006/2007 - League Two 20th.
2007/2008 - League Two 17th.
2008/2009 - League Two 16th.
2009/2010 - League Two 15th.
2010/2011 - League Two 5th.
24th January 2012 - Appointed Rochdale manager with ASFC 10th in League Two just 2 points off the play-offs.

His League Two record from 251 matches was 88 wins (35.1%), 61 draws (24.3%) & 102 defeats (40.6%). Overall his win percentage from 551 league matches was 44.1%.

And after he returned to Accrington Stanley...

18th September 2014 - Appointed Accrington Stanley manager with them in 20th.
2014/2015 - League Two 17th.
2015/2016 - League Two 4th.
2016/2017 - League Two 13th.
2017/2018 - League Two Champions.

In just under 4 seasons in League Two in 176 league matches he delivered 83 wins (47.2%), 43 draws (24.4%) & just 50 defeats (28.4%).

And Michael Jolley will drop to a 50% loss percentage for the season if he loses tomorrow or loses 2 of our last 3 league matches,

Conclusion

John Coleman is a very good football manager who has delivered success that would have been undreamt of by even the most optimistic Accrington Stanley fan when he took over 10 days short of 20 years ago.

Michael Jolley is doing a below average job and doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as John Coleman.
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Wow, never realised how well he's actually done. How hes not been picked up by clubs higher up I'll never know.
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Wow, never realised how well he's actually done. How hes not been picked up by clubs higher up I'll never know.

These stats don’t show how he fared at Rochdale...


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The important omission is how he did it without the huge budget for players that many on here see as so vital, it's the manager that counts.

Coleman has got it Jolley hasn't
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These stats don’t show how he fared at Rochdale...


He failed to keep them in League One after taking over in 23rd place in January 2012.

They sacked him in January 2013 with a Far better record than Michael Jolley has achieved this season.

I suppose bigger clubs like Rochdale have greater ambition and greater expectations than us.
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He failed to keep them in League One after taking over in 23rd place in January 2012.

They sacked him in January 2013 with a Far better record than Michael Jolley has achieved this season.

I suppose bigger clubs like Rochdale have greater ambition and greater expectations than us.


You wouldn't have thought that in the 1970/80s



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You wouldn't have thought that in the 1970/80s



Yes it seems like yesterday when we were feeling sorry for Tony Ford taking such a step down from Grimsby.



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You wouldn't have thought that in the 1970/80s



I don't think it now. For 17 of the first 23 years of my life Town were in the 2nd tier. When we were relegated to League Two in 2004 our previous longest spell in the 4th tier was just 6 years. 15 years and counting at that level or worse is horrendous under achievement. We're all frustrated with Fenty and co and how they run the club, but that doesn't excuse a manager who falls well below the expected level of both performance and results.
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Probably an important part of that record is who the Stanley chairmen is/was, I'm sure someone on here could look it up, but if it's the same chap who's there now then it goes a long way to explaining Colemens record.
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