These John Coleman/Accrington Stanley comparisons

Quoted from promotion plaice

You wouldn't have thought that in the 1970/80s

He was being ironic i think. At least I hope he was.

I can accept we're a league 2 club and don't think we are punching below our weight. But I can't accept what people on here aree saying about how we are performing and our league position (I don't get to games anymore) if we are blooding youngsters and playing decent football miid table for me is acceptable (sorry to say) but I'd always hope we would push for the play offs atleast every other year. Clubbs are getting bigger and more money is being invested in most clubs these days, except us and maybe a couple of others.

Quoted from lukeo

I can accept we're a league 2 club and don't think we are punching below our weight. But I can't accept what people on here aree saying about how we are performing and our league position (I don't get to games anymore) if we are blooding youngsters and playing decent football miid table for me is acceptable (sorry to say) but I'd always hope we would push for the play offs atleast every other year. Clubbs are getting bigger and more money is being invested in most clubs these days, except us and maybe a couple of others.

He’s not blooding youngsters though is he? Our YTs have made a combined 3 substitute appearances between them this season.

Rose is inexperienced but age wise is a 2nd year pro. Clifton is in his 4th season as a pro.

Jolley likes talking about youth whilst not giving any of them a proper chance in a league match.

It’s all propaganda to distract from the terrible job he’s doing. We’re 17th- the same position we were in when Slade was sacked.

I'm not sure people have been saying that Jolley is comparable to Coleman and it is unfair to compare the two as they're at entirely different stages of their career.

What I think is fair to examine, is the fact that a club like Accrington Stanley have been able to be sustainable at our level and win our division.  Just like we should be looking at how a club down the road who were staring relegation to Conference North in the face, getting crowds of 2,500 and on their uppers, have been able to win two promotions in three years and treble their home crowds.

Michael Jolley is a young and inexperienced manager who has had some good moments but also made some mistakes but ultimately doing his best with what he has.  The people we should be critiquing aren't those who've been here five minutes, but those who've been here 20 years.

Quoted from HackneyHaddock

I'm not sure people have been saying that Jolley is comparable to Coleman and it is unfair to compare the two as they're at entirely different stages of their career.

No me neither. It's almost as if the OP had spent hours preparing a load of stats and was desperate to post them

Some managers are just made for one club I doubt he could do anything like his achievements at Blundell Park the one thing he does benefit from is the geography of the club with so many clubs in commutable area all with academies releasing young players every year and he scoops them up and gives them a second chance something we will never be able to do.

Quoted from HackneyHaddock

I'm not sure people have been saying that Jolley is comparable to Coleman and it is unfair to compare the two as they're at entirely different stages of their career.

What I think is fair to examine, is the fact that a club like Accrington Stanley have been able to be sustainable at our level and win our division.  Just like we should be looking at how a club down the road who were staring relegation to Conference North in the face, getting crowds of 2,500 and on their uppers, have been able to win two promotions in three years and treble their home crowds.

Michael Jolley is a young and inexperienced manager who has had some good moments but also made some mistakes but ultimately doing his best with what he has.  The people we should be critiquing aren't those who've been here five minutes, but those who've been here 20 years.

Of course Fenty deserves criticism. He’s overseen the worst spell in the history of GTFC.

But that doesn’t mean we should turn a blind eye to an underachieving manager who talks a good game but delivers nothing.

And you’re right Coleman & Jolley are at different stages of their careers. Coleman has a good 10 years left as an EFL manager. Jolley EFL management career might be over within 12 days.

As with most of Golly's stats, they are incomplete, and when he acknowledge's figures that lie outside his preferred range he dismisses them with a 'that doesn't count' argument like the 'Rochdale are more ambitious than us' one.

So in the interests of completeness:
Rochdale, lasted 24/1/2012 to 21/1/2013. 52 games. Win % 26.9
Southport, 7/12/13 to 3/5/14. 25 games. Win % 32
Sligo Rovers, 21/6/14 to 18/9/14. (Irish season is more of a Summer than Winter game). 15 games. Win % 46.7.

Draw your own conclusions from these.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

As with most of Golly's stats, they are incomplete, and when he acknowledge's figures that lie outside his preferred range he dismisses them with a 'that doesn't count' argument like the 'Rochdale are more ambitious than us' one.

So in the interests of completeness:
Rochdale, lasted 24/1/2012 to 21/1/2013. 52 games. Win % 26.9
Southport, 7/12/13 to 3/5/14. 25 games. Win % 32
Sligo Rovers, 21/6/14 to 18/9/14. (Irish season is more of a Summer than Winter game). 15 games. Win % 46.7.

Draw your own conclusions from these.

My conclusion is that he did not have long at those clubs to build a squad