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barralad
March 25, 2019, 6:22pm
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Clubs change managers frequently to provide a new impetus. They sign players to reignite interest from the fans. Big and small companies change strategy and personnel to liven things up to explore new markets and keep the drive and determination going. They raise their profile, they look at things differently and they improve their product and services all the time - or at least they do if they want to remain in the game.

Anybody who has been to BP on a non match day will not see anything like this. They will see a jaded, old fashioned and dreary experience with no leadership and just an acceptance that things will always be the same.

What we are looking for is a vision. A new start, a fresh beginning and a different way of doing things. Sure that needs a bit of money, some investment but so much could be done with relatively little but of course we are stuck. Not going forwards nor backwards, just stuck in a rut.

Mr Fenty perhaps should have taken a collegiate approach to other people, and slowly over time built a solid future. Over time people like Mike Parker could perhaps have attracted other wealthy people to share in a vision for the future and slowly built the club, with different people contributing different skills and new money, but everything seems to get bogged down.

I suppose what I am saying is money isn't everything, but a different approach is what we need.



Your views on J.F. and the current state of the club are well known and although I don't particularly agree with them they are clearly views from the heart. What confuses me is in relation to this thread. Are you advocating someone like Mr Smurthwaite taking over here and that the risk in attracting a new major investor is worth it?


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I think that in the world we live in nowadays you need new investment if you're going to go anywhere Barra. Bournemouth would still be languishing alongside us were it not for some Russian new money. Now they play at the top table. Would I want that for Town? Absolutely not, because I know that everything I know and love - and loathe! -  about the club would disappear.

I'd love to see them get promotion, of course, and if the chance of yet another stint in the Championship beckoned without all the financial nonsense now being splashed about in there as well I'd take that. Reality is, I'm a dinosaur. I want to see the club well run, fiscally secure, but not afraid to take the odd punt in backing whichever manager is at the helm. That's not too much to hope for?


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Your views on J.F. and the current state of the club are well known and although I don't particularly agree with them they are clearly views from the heart. What confuses me is in relation to this thread. Are you advocating someone like Mr Smurthwaite taking over here and that the risk in attracting a new major investor is worth it?


Barra - I was more commenting on that some fans think that because you get cases like Port Vale we should never ever take any risk; John Fenty is the only man in the universe that could possibly do the job. The "be careful what you wish for" mantra doesn't wash with me. Each to their own, but I would rather roll the dice and either get someone with money in, if a buyer could be found, or as I pointed out to get somebody in with new ideas. We are more or less self-sufficient, or certainly could be and more with the right impetus.

I have said many times on here if Mr. Fenty wants to remain in charge, why on earth doesn't he get help with the running of the club? Well, actually I do know the answer to that!

One man in sole charge for so long means the club is run in his own image with no change on the horizon. New people, new ideas, new money is what we need.
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We would need a hell of a lot of sponsorship to even break even in the championship. I believe the average weekly wage is £20k, multiply by 20 as a squad = £400k per week multiply by 52 weeks is just over £20 million a year. I think the championship clubs get approximately £8 million from Sky, plus our gate receipts, lets say another £2 million, that gives us around £10 million. Now we only have to find another £10 million to break even. On those figures I think the championship is beyond us financially.
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Port vale are 14/1 to be relegated, would the bookies honour it if they get a points deduction between now and the end of the season? 🤔


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We would need a hell of a lot of sponsorship to even break even in the championship. I believe the average weekly wage is £20k, multiply by 20 as a squad = £400k per week multiply by 52 weeks is just over £20 million a year. I think the championship clubs get approximately £8 million from Sky, plus our gate receipts, lets say another £2 million, that gives us around £10 million. Now we only have to find another £10 million to break even. On those figures I think the championship is beyond us financially.


Burton were relegated last season but I wonder what their wage budget was? I also wonder what Rotherham's budget is this season? The only way a club like ours can make a fist of it at that level is to have a conveyor belt of young talent progressing through the ranks and into the first team alongside good relationships with the top teams for their best youngsters on loan.
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I seem to remember a tiny little club down the m180 who managed to survive in the championship a few years ago
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Barra - I was more commenting on that some fans think that because you get cases like Port Vale we should never ever take any risk; John Fenty is the only man in the universe that could possibly do the job. The "be careful what you wish for" mantra doesn't wash with me. Each to their own, but I would rather roll the dice and either get someone with money in, if a buyer could be found, or as I pointed out to get somebody in with new ideas. We are more or less self-sufficient, or certainly could be and more with the right impetus.

I have said many times on here if Mr. Fenty wants to remain in charge, why on earth doesn't he get help with the running of the club? Well, actually I do know the answer to that!

One man in sole charge for so long means the club is run in his own image with no change on the horizon. New people, new ideas, new money is what we need.


I think you hit the nail on the head with your comment about him not taking a collegiate approach. You do everything your way, when you inevitably slip up (no one is infalible, sorry Your Holiness) there are fewer people who have your back. You also alienate people and they're less willing to help.

Club's like ours need to maximise the resources available, and that doesn't just been bean-counting. It means mobilising as many people with any vague connection to the club as you can.

Also agree with you in your comments about the 'be careful what you wish for' mantra.


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I seem to remember a tiny little club down the m180 who managed to survive in the championship a few years ago



If you call two seasons and then getting relegated " surviving " then you look at things a strange way. If memory serves me correctly they had two spells of two seasons in the Championship with subsequent relegations.


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If you call two seasons and then getting relegated " surviving " then you look at things a strange way. If memory serves me correctly they had two spells of two seasons in the Championship with subsequent relegations.


Yeah but at least they had some success we’ve had none in years and while the current owner is in charge it more than likely will stay that way , it needs fresh eyes with a more modern up to date approach don’t fear change embrace it
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