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Why do we have to have changes all the time. Passing back direct from the kick off etc..really pixie me off. Don't repair it unless its broken.


I guess it means the game evolves and in theory makes it better. Like stopping back passes to the keeper and three points for a win.
Understand that next year they are removing the word deliberate from the offside rule so from July 1 if it hits your arm its a penalty. I'm hoping that before I snuff it they'll do something about players rugby tackling each other at set pieces, or at least enforcing the rules
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Rio Ferdinand summed it up perfectly last night when he said that nobody jumps with their arms by their side or behind their back. Kimpembe gave the referee a decision to make by turning his body but had the decision been at the other end of the pitch and sent United home, the whole country would be in meltdown.

Poor decision if you ask me, his arm was barely out


I can assure you it fking wouldn't. !!!!


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VAR could be a god send eventually if it is applied sensibly....take the goal line technology...very simple system...very quick decision...as its an absolute decision , it either did or didn't cross the line.

If VAR was used only for absolute decisions ie....was the player who scored or assisted in an offside position...that is a yes or no....was there a clear and deliberate foul on a player that was missed by the officials ...yes or no ... did a player clearly simulate a foul ...yes or no.

The forwards backwards, stop start freeze framing of 7 different camera angles to try and see if there was or wasn't anything becomes subjective, its ball achingly slow and can still be inconclusive.

In my mind the ref should have the call on whether or not he refers something to VAR ...unless there is something completely off the ball that the match officials could not be expected to see while focusing on the ball in play.

For those of us that grew up in a pre Sky era i don't think its a coincidence that since the proliferation of TV cameras the off the ball doing of an opposition player now seems to have largely disappeared. Hopefully VAR will eventually eradicate the worst cases of simulation.


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I can assure you it fking wouldn't. !!!!


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It was not VAR that awarded Man Utd a pen it was the ref who looked at it,

Refs need to be better advised what is or isn't a deliberate handball,

If we had more ex pro players taking up being a ref we might have a better understanding on what is a deliberate  action or just a clumsy challenge or slightly late tackle ect.

I agree most of the time they get it right BUT  some of their mistakes costs some teams a lot of money by their exit in a cup game or points that might have got them in a play off.


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I guess it means the game evolves and in theory makes it better. Like stopping back passes to the keeper and three points for a win.
Understand that next year they are removing the word deliberate from the offside rule so from July 1 if it hits your arm its a penalty. I'm hoping that before I snuff it they'll do something about players rugby tackling each other at set pieces, or at least enforcing the rules


Well if thats right about it only has to hit the arm I would imagine that most shots will be at arms rather than the goal...
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I can assure you it fking wouldn't. !!!!


I think he mixed up the words 'meltdown' and 'hysterics'.  
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Don't like VAR and don't want to see it in the game.

Goalline technology is another thing and should be used as that a definitive, goal or no goal. Most other decisions are down to the referees point of view and I'm sure there will be a lot of incidents where one ref would give a penalty/free kick and another wouldn't.

As for offsides, just let it be as it has been for the past X amount of years. I'm sure decisions for and against will even up over time and in most cases it's not as if CLEAR offsides are not being flagged, it's only down to the very marginal ones.



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I don't care what anyone says.  If you move your hand/arm towards the ball then it's a freekick/penalty.  The incident with Kimbemba was  unfortunate...to which I didn't think it was a penalty as he didn't move his arm towards the ball.




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The problem with offside is that it is pretty much impossible for the linesmen (or women) to judge them with any accuracy. It's not possible to follow 4 different things at the same time - you need to see the last defender, the attacker, the player kicking the ball and the ball itself. Ultimately, it ends up being a best guess. Some linos are pretty decent at this guesswork whereas others (the one at the weekend, for example, not that it made any difference to the result) are pretty bloody useless.

I don't think VAR should be used at all during the game as football shouldn't be stop start and should flow as much as possible. I do, however, think video evidence should be used retrospectively after matches to punish serious foul play but only where it is absolutely obvious. If a referee sees an appalling foul but just mistakenly gives a booking (or nothing) at the time then retrospective action should be able to be taken. After all, red cards are sometimes overturned, so why shouldn't the opposite be true?

Refereeing errors have always been part and parcel of the game but the best team still usually wins. Just part of the game.
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