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November 8, 2018, 10:14am Report to Moderator

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I'm not sure a few nights for 3 blokes in a Premier Inn is a major concern here - not that it happens (think that this has already been confirmed).


DHM has it right, completely. Where are these people adding value to the club? Same question could be asked of many senior members of staff (the old boys network). The fans aspire to better things, we're being held back and that is why people are fed up.
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Quoted from Gaffer58
Also for away games involving an overnight stay are certain board members having a freebie, or are they paying their own accommodation?


Certain board members as you put it dont do overnight stays but travel up on the day.
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It's there in black and white in the accounts. The goal is to prudently invest in the playing squad for GTFC to remain an established Football League club while working towards relocating to a new stadium. Hope that gets everyone else's pulses racing too for the next five or ten years minimum! As EFL money equates to a third of our income, we seem to be playing fast and loose with our league status, just doing enough to manage what we have and having a close knit circle to protect JF's interests while not reaching out for inward investment which would bring a dilution in control and protection of the said interests. The compromise for this is that it's to the detriment of the hopes and enjoyment of the fan base who are yet again the ones that enable the club to operate season after season. It is also a stark reality that there are not any notes regarding to the club looking for significant inward investment which in its present state must be priority number one surely if the current board's only aim is to remain a Football League club. No mention of a grand plan to be a Championship club in what is now just under four years time and no mention of the plan to pay down the director's loan account which is happening as we speak and plays a significant part of the reason why the incumbents are still the incumbents in charge of the direction of the club. God knows where we would be if Bogle had a bad injury before he got sold.

Looking at the accounts from a business point of view, the club lives within its means and is managed well in the way of ensuring that it exists in the same way it does season after season. Nothing more, nothing less. But it's not just a business, it's a football club which is in the entertainment business and therein lies the problem. The club is doing nothing to improve the product and nothing to progress while others are leaving us behind.

It's also worth noting that the accounts are for the end of May 2018 and show that there was 724k cash in the bank. That was then and not necessarily now. The club may have invested significantly more into the playing budget or could have paid off another significant chunk of the "benign loans" within the past six months. We won't know until next year's accounts.

I'm sure the board think they're doing their best for the club while protecting JF's interests at the same time, but is it really in the interests of the paying public? If you're just happy that you've still got a Football League club to support then you've got to be happy with these accounts. If you want more than that, you know, a bit of pride, entertainment, hope and a plan for a brighter future or excitement, then you've either stopped going already, thinking about stopping going or feeling fairly detached and that following the Mariners is a chore and a labour of love nowadays..
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Lets face it. Fenty and his  yes john anything you command, john band of skint hangers on, do not see this as anything else than a LOOK AT ME ,[I AM A DIRECTOR OF A FOOTBALL CLUB]. Imo he wont sell as he just loves it being in charge and sitting in his seat thinking he is lording it over every one  with that silly grin on his face
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Right,

So £1.8 million in loans add to his shareholding of £975,000.    That means his hold over the club is £2,775,000.   I think he would be very cheeky to ask for that considering that during his tenure we've seen a, to paraphrase the man himself, a devaluing of the product.  But if that's what it is, it's what it is.  Let's go with that figure.  Who's got that hiding down the back of the settee?

Other things that stand out to me, note I'm reading it completely as a novice...

S.Marley - shareholding of £3200.  For the cost of an all-inclusive family holiday in the sun, he's managed to secure a position on our board and is in a position of influence where he can tell the real owners of the club, i.e us as fans, to 'shut up'.  Last year he increased his stakeholding (the only one of the board to do so) from £2000, a cost of £1200.  I dare say there are members of this forum who spent more on GTFC in the last year than £1200.  I would also query that after the cost of his entry to the games, presuming directors don't pay to go through the gate like you and I, plus no doubt his corporate benefits each game (food, drinks, utilising club property for business connections/networking) how much he's actually contributed?

Michael Chapman - £500.  That's his place on the board.  I haven't seen or heard from him in a while.  Is he still active?  Does he still attend games?   His shareholding hasn't adjusted in two years, in fact for a while as I recall, he's basically bought himself a long-term season ticket for £500.    Can I have one please?

Commercial Income - Down £6k
Other Income - Down £400.

Why?  Is anyone looking at this and querying what the hell we're doing as a club and how we can improve on it?

For me, we have people on the board of directors for one of two reasons, in an ideal world they would provide both.  They're either cash rich and are prepared to invest in the club or they've got business acumen/knowledge or contacts who can improve the club.

None of our directors are investing in the club.  £1200 last year.  That's 24 replica shirts worth.  400 matchday programmes.  Looking at the practically stagnant commercial and other income figures, they're not providing an expertise either.  I think it's Philip Day who provides legal advice so that may be his contribution.  

Let's put this in very simple terms.  This board are doing nothing.  NOTHING.  The club is running on auto-pilot into a slow and painful demise.  It's the same old crappy marketing campaigns that have no impact.  It's the same every time.

Get your season ticket!  Why?  Err, well here's a picture of the manager.  
Pack the park! Why?  Err, here's a picture of Mitch Rose celebrating last season.

There's nothing ever done that's different or encouraging to get people involved.  We're not even stagnating, we're regressing on their watch.  Time to go, John.  You and your mob.  You're killing this club.  Time to let someone else have a go.  Before anyone asks who else is going to put money in, look at the accounts.  The only people putting money in are me and you, the fans who blindly troop through the gate every game.  



The 1.8 mil is slightly less as I believe Mike Chapman has about a 100k Directors loan in the club and I also believe the Mullens also have loans in the club as well but I am not sure of that figure.
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I think it also needs pointing out that the people on the board presumably offer their time and expertise for free,whatever you may think of the job they are doing, good or bad. I think Mr Day is a solicitor and Mr Marley is an accountant, so i presume they are doing these functions gratis. I'm not going to be up in arms about them getting a free match pass and a bit of scran. I've no idea what Mr Chapman does, but he must be a ripe old age by now, so i presume not a lot. Mr Wood is the Trust representative. None of them are wealthy enough to put any sort of meaningful amounts of money into the club, apart from Mr Fenty, and i don't think he is going to any more, beyond what he has already contributed, and what he has lodged as a guarantee at the bank.

What i do know is that there is a them and us situation that has developed at the club, and for a lot of fans, myself included, we no longer feel that connection to the club that we once had. I find supporting GTFC more of a duty and a chore than i ever thought i would, and i don't feel enthused by anyone, on or off the pitch.

The only ray of hope for me is the Mariners Trust and the possibility of it somehow growing it's involvement in the running of the club in a way that connects it back to the fan base. It doesn't seem though, that there is the will among the Trust board members to go down this route, so it all looks a bit of a stalemate, with stale being the operative word.
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The 1.8 mil is slightly less as I believe Mike Chapman has about a 100k Directors loan in the club and I also believe the Mullens also have loans in the club as well but I am not sure of that figure.


The last time Mr Chapmans Directors loan was mentioned it amounted to something like £20k
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The 1.8 mil is slightly less as I believe Mike Chapman has about a 100k Directors loan in the club and I also believe the Mullens also have loans in the club as well but I am not sure of that figure.


I'm fairly sure that the money owed (if it still is) to the now non-director Lee Mullen has been moved out of the directors loan account into other creditors, so it is fairly safe to assume that the 1.8m in the directors loan account barring a "quid or two" is owed solely to JF..
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The last time Mr Chapmans Directors loan was mentioned it amounted to something like £20k


He has in the past put two loans in as far as I an aware one back when him and John Elsom ( may be spelt wrong) joined the board and another loan a few years ago. Again only hearsay but i do know its 80 to 100 k in total.
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Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby


He has in the past put two loans in as far as I an aware one back when him and John Elsom ( may be spelt wrong) joined the board and another loan a few years ago. Again only hearsay but i do know its 80 to 100 k in total.


Perhaps someone in officialdom might care to clarify (not that I'm doubting you) but, if ever a set of accounts came out looking more stale than this lot then I haven't seen them.

Mr Marley doesn't do the accountancy - it's done by Weaver Wroot.
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