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davmariner
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Reading between the lines, based on what Jolley said pre-season and what he implied in the post-match media after Mansfield, we don’t have the best budget.

I’m no Fenty fan, but to be fair, the club has allowed MJ to bring his own people in. It’s very easy to blame budgets but Jolley virtually had a blank canvass at the start of this season and was able to build his own team.

Most new managers aren’t afforded that luxury, and usually have to work with what they have and let contracts run down.

Look at Exeter for example. Whilst they’ve done well in terms of player sales, they aren’t exactly full of cash, but are able to build and rebuild teams that at least reach the play offs. Even after having lost their long-term manager and key players, they’ve still managed to buy well and put together a competitive side.


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We have young players learning their trade from excellent coaches and old pros. What we don't have are patient fans.
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We have young players learning their trade from excellent coaches and old pros. What we don't have are patient fans.


Has that yet been proven?
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We have young players learning their trade from excellent coaches and old pros. What we don't have are patient fans.


Great trolling is that. 17 years and waiting but my patience is almost exhausted!
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I think people underestimate how difficult it is to get players here.

People view Grimsby as a sh*thole. We have been a struggling clubs for many years now with an old dilapidated stadium and one of the lowest budgets in the league.

I'm sure Jolley had many players earmarked in the summer that either wanted more wages than we could pay or just didn't fancy the move. I believe Slade had similar problems the previous summer.

We used to be the club to go to in the region but now we are overtaken by all our closest rivals. Hull, who always should have been bigger anyhow then Scunthorpe and now Lincoln. We are the last choice, even if a players fances coming to the region. Thanks John.

Many of the players here wouldn't have been Jolley's first choice and it doesn't matter who we have as a manager, they will have the same problems.

The club needs a reboot with a new owner with fresh ideas. You can change the manager as much as you want, it won't make much difference.
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I think people underestimate how difficult it is to get players here.

People view Grimsby as a sh*thole. We have been a struggling clubs for many years now with an old dilapidated stadium and one of the lowest budgets in the league.

I'm sure Jolley had many players earmarked in the summer that either wanted more wages than we could pay or just didn't fancy the move. I believe Slade had similar problems the previous summer.

We used to be the club to go to in the region but now we are overtaken by all our closest rivals. Hull, who always should have been bigger anyhow then Scunthorpe and now Lincoln. We are the last choice, even if a players fances coming to the region. Thanks John.

Many of the players here wouldn't have been Jolley's first choice and it doesn't matter who we have as a manager, they will have the same problems.

The club needs a reboot with a new owner with fresh ideas. You can change the manager as much as you want, it won't make much difference.


We need to get a few players from Sweden in who have never visited the country.



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I think people underestimate how difficult it is to get players here.

People view Grimsby as a sh*thole. We have been a struggling clubs for many years now with an old dilapidated stadium and one of the lowest budgets in the league.

I'm sure Jolley had many players earmarked in the summer that either wanted more wages than we could pay or just didn't fancy the move. I believe Slade had similar problems the previous summer.

We used to be the club to go to in the region but now we are overtaken by all our closest rivals. Hull, who always should have been bigger anyhow then Scunthorpe and now Lincoln. We are the last choice, even if a players fances coming to the region. Thanks John.

Many of the players here wouldn't have been Jolley's first choice and it doesn't matter who we have as a manager, they will have the same problems.

The club needs a reboot with a new owner with fresh ideas. You can change the manager as much as you want, it won't make much difference.


Any board worth their salt would counteract our location and largely undeserved reputation, with modern methods of communication. A tour of the residential areas will show any possible recruit that there are beautiful places to live; obviously, some players will never come for a multitude of reasons so we can discount those.

The main reason though is the lack of investment in the playing budget. If players have these preconceived attitudes to Grimsby then you have to pay a premium to overcome them, which is why it is so disheartening to have a board so lacking in any clout to attract new investment, or indeed not want it, unless it is entirely on their terms.

Just think where other players ARE going to - it is not Monte Carlo, is it? It's Mansfield, Bury, Oldham, Crawley Crewe or other mundane footballing towns. Scunthorpe don't seem to have trouble in attracting players or managers do they? Hands up those who think it is because it is such a beautiful garden town with a sparkling nightlife? It is money. Investment in players and facilities. Many of these mundane clubs have left us in their wake. We have not progressed one iota in 20 odd years.

Until Fenty goes we are stuck, and it is only going to get worse.
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Any board worth their salt would counteract our location and largely undeserved reputation, with modern methods of communication. A tour of the residential areas will show any possible recruit that there are beautiful places to live; obviously, some players will never come for a multitude of reasons so we can discount those.

The main reason though is the lack of investment in the playing budget. If players have these preconceived attitudes to Grimsby then you have to pay a premium to overcome them, which is why it is so disheartening to have a board so lacking in any clout to attract new investment, or indeed not want it, unless it is entirely on their terms.

Just think where other players ARE going to - it is not Monte Carlo, is it? It's Mansfield, Bury, Oldham, Crawley Crewe or other mundane footballing towns. Scunthorpe don't seem to have trouble in attracting players or managers do they? Hands up those who think it is because it is such a beautiful garden town with a sparkling nightlife? It is money. Investment in players and facilities. Many of these mundane clubs have left us in their wake. We have not progressed one iota in 20 odd years.

Until Fenty goes we are stuck, and it is only going to get worse.


You're so contradictory with what you want. From one minute with we need to spend more money to attract better players and then Fenty's benign loans are crippling the club the next. It can't be both ways, there are ways to get more money coming in that we haven't looked at, but they're not going to bring in millions that the sugar daddy's of Mansfield and Scunthorpe are putting in to their club's.

It's easy to sit behind a computer and beat a drum about how we could make more money. And in fairness, the club haven't done enough to try and explore other avenues from what I can see. But there's not a huge pile of money we're missing out on, we don't have the facilities to do a lot of things that other clubs do. I can't see how our income could be much more than 5% higher through non matchday income and getting more through the gate. Results is what will bring more people in, but that's too big a gamble to break the bank and hope that you get results, it just doesn't work that way.

You mention 6 clubs in that post. 2 have sugar daddies, 3 are on the outskirts of major metropolitan cities and Crewe are almost as sh1t as we are.
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Very good post Pen Penfras
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You're so contradictory with what you want. From one minute with we need to spend more money to attract better players and then Fenty's benign loans are crippling the club the next. It can't be both ways, there are ways to get more money coming in that we haven't looked at, but they're not going to bring in millions that the sugar daddy's of Mansfield and Scunthorpe are putting in to their club's.

It's easy to sit behind a computer and beat a drum about how we could make more money. And in fairness, the club haven't done enough to try and explore other avenues from what I can see. But there's not a huge pile of money we're missing out on, we don't have the facilities to do a lot of things that other clubs do. I can't see how our income could be much more than 5% higher through non matchday income and getting more through the gate. Results is what will bring more people in, but that's too big a gamble to break the bank and hope that you get results, it just doesn't work that way.

You mention 6 clubs in that post. 2 have sugar daddies, 3 are on the outskirts of major metropolitan cities and Crewe are almost as sh1t as we are.


Just taking the two highlighted bits in isolation - first, did the 200k reduction in the loan account result in a 200k reduction in the playing budget. Let's not forget that the £2 million plus loans have been built up and been there for a long time - for example, in 2011's accounts they were £2.23 million.

Secondly, results will bring more gate revenue but, more seriously, bad results and 'austerity' will reduce gate revenue. Maintaining league status is not sufficient - this fan base deserves more. It just feels like we get a little pat on the head and get told to be thankful for what we've got.

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