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123614
August 12, 2018, 5:16pm
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I very rarely comment about tactics or performances but one thing puzzles me.  Why do we bring everyone back for corners and free kicks, seems to me that it gives the opposition an advantage!
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August 12, 2018, 5:37pm
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Well Slade got loads of stick for doing it, his laptop showed that the opposition scored less when you did, so I would hope the Jolley gets the same stick. We must be fair and impartial at all times!!
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The traditional or intuitive ways of doing things aren't always the most effective when you look at the underlying data. I can't pretend to have done so, but MJ has an analytical mind and I am sure he will be familiar with them.


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I very rarely comment about tactics or performances but one thing puzzles me.  Why do we bring everyone back for corners and free kicks, seems to me that it gives the opposition an advantage!


In MJ we trust. Why would you not have a numerical advantage when defending a set piece in a league where a lot of goals are scored from those situations?

You could say leave a man up to hit them on the break but he’d just get fouled anyway if he spealt any danger.


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Why do some teams NOT have a player on the post at corners ?


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August 12, 2018, 5:49pm
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The data may show that teams concede less from corners and set pieces when all players are back. But I would argue that would only be the 'first phase' of the play. The problem is when the ball is cleared, it gets picked up by the opposition and you are immediately defending again.

Then there is the argument that if one player is left on the half way line, the opposition must (at least should) have two men marking him meaning the can commit two less players to attacking positions.
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Don't know how keeping men back at corners will determine that ???
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The data may show that teams concede less from corners and set pieces when all players are back. But I would argue that would only be the 'first phase' of the play. The problem is when the ball is cleared, it gets picked up by the opposition and you are immediately defending again.

Then there is the argument that if one player is left on the half way line, the opposition must (at least should) have two men marking him meaning the can commit two less players to attacking positions.


As someone who endured R S’s presentation, it did cover the second phase as well. What it didn’t cover is how many goals the defending side scores in phases 1 and 2 when you don’t have everyone back and then break from a clearance  !!


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This isn't as big a deal as some would think. Watch a PL game on Tele, most teams defend with everyone back.


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I wouldn't even say you need a player on the half way line. Just one standing between the area and half way line is close enough to have a chance to pick up the ball or at least put pressure on defenders who are collecting it from a clearance. Use either your weakest in the air or quickest and you'll not miss a lot from them not being in the area. If you can't defend a set piece with ten men in the box, you're doing something wrong!
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