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Funny that Hurst's parting shot wasn't aimed at the fans though. Of course, every problem at the club is ultimately the fault of the fans isn't it?

Quoted from pen penfras

How is that the case? There's no nominal fee for buying out a manager's contract, there's no tribunal where it might be taken into account by a committee. The clubs have to agree on the compensation and then that is paid. The hiring club isn't going to wait 6 months to get him for free, so we have plenty of power in that situation.

As for the large portion of fans, I agree. It wasn't necessarily a large portion, but a very vocal portion that banged that drum loud and often. Unfortunately, they're the ones that get heard and Hurst clearly took it to heart.

eta. It's not a longer contract. A 3 year contract lasts 3 years, a rolling contract lasts indefinitely until one party chooses to end it.

I'm pretty sure you are wrong in correcting me. See below law guidelines and the club losing their manager has greater bargaining power in a tribunal if the contract is longer, the rolling six month contract is deemed as a six month contract in this case as it's the earliest natural termination point for either partiy..

Do clubs have to pay a transfer fee for a manager for a manager who moves clubs in this manner?

"If a football player under contract were to move in this manner the clubs would pay a transfer fee – the terms of which will be agreed upon by the two clubs. For a manager to move there is no specific transfer fee but the clubs do have to come to an arrangement.

What kind of arrangement?

The club who gains the services of the manager will be required to pay a fee to compensate the club who is losing the manager. The amount of compensation is a matter which will be agreed between the two clubs.

What is this compensation for?

When the manager leaves the club to which he was originally contracted he will be deemed to have terminated his contract early (a breach of the contract) meaning that the club will need to be compensated for this loss.

What happens if the clubs cannot agree an adequate amount of compensation?

If the manager moves between clubs and the clubs cannot agree on an adequate amount of compensation then due to the early termination of the contract the original club will be able to bring the following claims:

    Breach of contract – by the manager
    Inducement to breach the contract – by the club obtaining his services

It is likely that both these claims are to be heard by a disciplinary tribunal which will decide on the adequate amount of compensation to be paid..

Didn't we have to cough up to Boston for Hurst n Scott ? Compo is a legal part of a manager moving teams , the rolling contract does give the club the advantage of curtailed slades  pay off .

Quoted from Bigdog

I'm pretty sure you are wrong in correcting me. See below law guidelines and the club losing their manager has greater bargaining power in a tribunal if the contract is longer, the rolling six month contract is deemed as a six month contract in this case as it's the earliest natural termination point for either partiy..

Do clubs have to pay a transfer fee for a manager for a manager who moves clubs in this manner?

"If a football player under contract were to move in this manner the clubs would pay a transfer fee – the terms of which will be agreed upon by the two clubs. For a manager to move there is no specific transfer fee but the clubs do have to come to an arrangement.

What kind of arrangement?

The club who gains the services of the manager will be required to pay a fee to compensate the club who is losing the manager. The amount of compensation is a matter which will be agreed between the two clubs.

What is this compensation for?

When the manager leaves the club to which he was originally contracted he will be deemed to have terminated his contract early (a breach of the contract) meaning that the club will need to be compensated for this loss.

What happens if the clubs cannot agree an adequate amount of compensation?

If the manager moves between clubs and the clubs cannot agree on an adequate amount of compensation then due to the early termination of the contract the original club will be able to bring the following claims:

    Breach of contract – by the manager
    Inducement to breach the contract – by the club obtaining his services

It is likely that both these claims are to be heard by a disciplinary tribunal which will decide on the adequate amount of compensation to be paid..

But you can't just sign a contract with another club and start managing them when you're already under contract. That sort of situation is when it is deemed that the manager resigned under the influence of another club making an offer and then signing for them ie Hurst and Scott coming here. You can't just leave when you want without working your notice period unless the club agree to it.

There have been a couple of cases where a manager has tried to leave without serving notice which was rejected by the club and they've held out until a compensation has been agreed. Steve Bruce was the famous one that I can remember. Obviously once it gets to the point of going to court, there's no way to rebuild the relationship and it's just about getting the best deal.

Quoted from pen penfras

How is that the case? There's no nominal fee for buying out a manager's contract, there's no tribunal where it might be taken into account by a committee. The clubs have to agree on the compensation and then that is paid. The hiring club isn't going to wait 6 months to get him for free, so we have plenty of power in that situation.

As for the large portion of fans, I agree. It wasn't necessarily a large portion, but a very vocal portion that banged that drum loud and often. Unfortunately, they're the ones that get heard and Hurst clearly took it to heart.

eta. It's not a longer contract. A 3 year contract lasts 3 years, a rolling contract lasts indefinitely until one party chooses to end it.

A large portion becomes not necessarily a large portion in 20 minutes? Hurst wasn't bothered about it anyway, more the lack of support from above - he told me so face to face and said as much in various interviews.

Quoted from pen penfras

But you can't just sign a contract with another club and start managing them when you're already under contract. That sort of situation is when it is deemed that the manager resigned under the influence of another club making an offer and then signing for them ie Hurst and Scott coming here. You can't just leave when you want without working your notice period unless the club agree to it.

There have been a couple of cases where a manager has tried to leave without serving notice which was rejected by the club and they've held out until a compensation has been agreed. Steve Bruce was the famous one that I can remember. Obviously once it gets to the point of going to court, there's no way to rebuild the relationship and it's just about getting the best deal.

You can, You can quit and be in breach of contract and pay compensation to the club.

You can, same as above.

Now you finally agree it can go to tribunal.

You know Pen Penfras, admitting that you've been wrong about correcting someone and then apologising cleanses the soul. You should try it some time..

Like your constant digging at the fans re Hurst leaving. It's in black and white why he left..

Thought the new club mantra was "stronger together"?

Quoted from Bigdog

You can, You can quit and be in breach of contract and pay compensation to the club.

You can, same as above.

Now you finally agree it can go to tribunal.

You know Pen Penfras, admitting that you've been wrong about correcting someone and then apologising cleanses the soul. You should try it some time..

Like your constant digging at the fans re Hurst leaving. It's in black and white why he left..

Thought the new club mantra was "stronger together"?

Not admitting you were wrong is a common trait around here.

Quoted from Bigdog

You can, You can quit and be in breach of contract and pay compensation to the club.

You can, same as above.

Now you finally agree it can go to tribunal.

You know Pen Penfras, admitting that you've been wrong about correcting someone and then apologising cleanses the soul. You should try it some time..

But you can't. Steve Bruce tried to do it and so did Alan Pardew. In both cases, a high court injunction was taken out which prevented it from happening until the clubs agreed a fee. Steve Bruce had a 9 month notice period in his contract.

I'm sure the manager would eventually get his own way and it would go to a tribunal, but it would take so much time to get to that point, that a club trying to hire a manager wouldn't want to wait months for the legal process as well as ultimately pay compensation and legal costs.

I give up, you win..

Quoted from Bigdog

I give up, you win..

No he flipping doesn't!

He's just pointed out that a manager who had a 9 month notice period (which if my maths if correct is longer than 6 months) could only be released from it on payment of compensation by the prospective new employer to the old one.

You've won and don't realise it!

Pen Penfras has lost and doesn't realise it. I hope to God he isn't a member of the board.