Paul Hurst or Michael Jolley

Who would you rather have as manager?

I know many people didn't like Hurst, particularly after his antics at Wembley but it can't be denied he was a very good manager for us.

I was thinking last night, would Hurst have had the impact that MJ has had? Would he have been able to turn around our fortunes in such a short space of time and get the fans/players on board and fighting for the cause? I know he performed a magnificent turnaround at Shrews last season, but he was afforded a full January transfer window. Given the same circumstances as we've had, would he have had the same success and saved them from the drop? I'm not so sure.

So, taking into account management style, tactical nous, man management etc etc only and not some of the bad-blood we experienced with PH, Who would you rather have as GTFC manager?

This isn't meant to destabilise or spread negativity after our fantastic revival, I'm just interested in people's opinions pure and simple.

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Too early to say for me.....MJ has done a fantastic job but let's see where we are next season.

A bit too early for this poll for me.

Well it's not too early to judge Hurst?, personally l though his record, and don't forget the majority was in non league, was about average, we didn't have spells when we were top of the league. I know it was said his budgets were about 5/6 for the league but basically that is were we finished. Always thought he was too negative, would come on the radio pre game saying how strong the opposition were(Woking, Altringham etc) gave the impression we were more worried about them than  us.

Too early to tell, but MJ is more confidence inspiring for me. Where that will go remains to be seen.

Pointless poll, Jolley is our manager, Hurst isn't and not likely to be again so it's irrelevant.

As has been said already, too early to say.

But if yesterday was anything to go by, the football will be more exciting under Jolley than it was under Hurst.

Couldn't stand Hurst and his negativity. Hurst was never Town, Jolley already is. 'nuff said.

Risk averse vs risk manager for me.
Interesting article last week (think it was the Independent and mentioned on here) about how Jolley applies risk management principles to his decision making in football.
It appears to me that he works out the outcome he wants and then makes decisions that have the best odds of achieving it - a good example was yesterday when he withdrew the Osborne substitution as soon as they scored, and brought on Jackson instead. This makes him pro-active and positive where I always felt Hurst was more re-active and negative.
Pretty sure that Hurst would have had Osborne or another defender on for an attacking player after 70 mins or earlier.

I picked Hurst because of his experience but having read the replies on here which reminded me of certain things-can I change my vote please.

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Risk averse vs risk manager for me.
Interesting article last week (think it was the Independent and mentioned on here) about how Jolley applies risk management principles to his decision making in football.
It appears to me that he works out the outcome he wants and then makes decisions that have the best odds of achieving it - a good example was yesterday when he withdrew the Osborne substitution as soon as they scored, and brought on Jackson instead. This makes him pro-active and positive where I always felt Hurst was more re-active and negative.
Pretty sure that Hurst would have had Osborne or another defender on for an attacking player after 70 mins or earlier.

I should add that I always supported Hurst but probably on the basis of ‘better the devil you know’ and that he would provide stability.
Jolley is a different animal altogether and under him there is a real prospect of progress both on and off the field. I know some will say it’s premature to make that call, but just look at the difference in atmosphere around the place in 2 short, high pressure months.

Hurst could make a team full of talented players look awful , Jolley has made a team full of no hopers look good so far .
Hurst also lost most of our must win games were Jolly seems to have won many of his with a team full of under dogs

I was always a Hurst fan and still think his achievement of 4 consecutive top 4 finishes is under appreciated. However, it's Jolley by a mile for me. He's done absolutely everything right since he came in, has the perfect attitude and I can't wait to see what he does next season.

Pointless poll. Jolley is in charge, Hurst left.

Interesting question - and I think we’d all like to feel we now have the best manager of the two - but until we’ve seen Jolley’s ability to recruit players and come through the ups and downs of a long season it’s too early to call..

That said, I can’t imagine MJ cupping his ears at the fans whatever the provocation - that moment suggested to me Paul Hurst had his limitations - it would have been far classier to rise above everything - the writing was on the wall for me as soon as that had happened.

So, ask again this time next year!

Jolley - I’ve got a good feeling about him, I couldn't see Hurst coming in and changing the team around as quick as what Jolley has, Jolley has got this team believing and brought out the best in them in a matter of weeks, no brainer for me.

Ask me this time next season

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Ask me this time next season

There is no fun in that - we will all know by then!

I want the hairs on the back of my neck to rise in anticipation of new signings next year.

Let's get Jolley signed up and see who he has on his wanted list.

It could be ground level football next year and I can see Clifton being an early pick every game.

His merry band of under performing players must have listened, taken notice, and acted professionally to keep us in this league. He may even ferl that he can get more out of the fringe players - Fox being deserving of a deal next year, and Clifton being given a run in midfield.

Younger , more solid, defense next year, please, and forwards who can find the net.

I wonder if any fringe players will get a run out or he will try to go out with a win?

Plenty of scope with so many loan players going back - will any be freed and will any be in his sights for next season?

Good feeling to be looking forward to next season already !

Daddy or chips?

Need to see jolleys record in the transfer market. Hurst was not a great tactician but was brilliant at getting quality players. Maybe Jolley is the other way round, we don't know yet.

Pointless exercise only time will tell.

Totally different circumstances.  Hurst came with Scott when we were comfortably mid-table and had a mid-table finish themselves before we consistently made the play-offs.  We effectively stumbled across Hurst by accident when Rob Scott was fired but we were still looking like making the play-offs again.  Meanwhile Jolley joined with the club having not won a game for 4 months and almost certainly heading for relegation.  Most agreed that it would be a miracle if we survived.  Hurst proved at Shrewsbury last season that he can handle a relegation battle but he had much longer than Jolley and a transfer window to help him.

Both appear ambitious and want to manage as high as possible and both pay great attention to detail.  Hurst respects the opposition and focuses on nullifying their strengths.  My initial observation of Jolley is that he respects the opposition but focuses on how best to exploit their weaknesses.  Blundell Park has become a fortress again whilst under Hurst our away form was usually better than our home form.

Hurst seemed to have one rigid way of playing and although hard to beat, we often struggled to break teams down.  His substitutions were generally like for like and predictable whereas Jolley is not afraid to take risks.  Yesterday at 1-1 being a prime example as I feel Hurst would have continued with the Osborne substitution.

We had a great team spirit under Hurst and it appears the same under Jolley.  Players are celebrating as a team, encouraging each other through the game and not arguing like earlier in the season.  Many players moved to the area under Hurst and it appears Jolley wishes for the same except he is leading by example and Hurst did not.

Both are highly qualified coaches but Hurst has been around much longer to prove his success at identifying and developing players (Hearn, Pearson, Macca, Bogle).  Jolley will ultimately be judged on this but he has certainly coached something into this team the last two months.  Fox was eager to come work for Jolley again (you could argue he just wanted a wage but his performances suggest otherwise).  Based on Fox I think he will be as good as, if not better than Hurst at player identification.  Both are respected in the game and this goes a long way when negotiating signings with clubs.  That said, I don't expect Aston Villa to be a club we will be approaching this summer.

Hurst was never popular with the supporters but Jolley has been from day one.  He speaks concise in a language we all understand.   You actually believe that his programme notes is actually his writing and he has praised the supporters from day one.  He is very clever and probably realises if he has the supporters on his side, they won't turn on him when the going gets tough.

I was never one who thought Hurst should go; but I did think supporter pressure would force him out if we did not get promoted in 2016.  The National League is the toughest league to get out of and our budget down there was not as good as most people think.

I am not voting in this poll because the circumstances are totally different and part of me thinks I would be saying Jolley because of yesterday but I genuinely think next season will be successful with some football fortune along the way.

This is a bit of a pointless thread. Both very good managers on their record with other teams and ourselves, both very different styles in different contexts of their respective tenures. I rate them both.

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Totally different circumstances.  Hurst came with Scott when we were comfortably mid-table and had a mid-table finish themselves before we consistently made the play-offs.  We effectively stumbled across Hurst by accident when Rob Scott was fired but we were still looking like making the play-offs again.  Meanwhile Jolley joined with the club having not won a game for 4 months and almost certainly heading for relegation.  Most agreed that it would be a miracle if we survived.  Hurst proved at Shrewsbury last season that he can handle a relegation battle but he had much longer than Jolley and a transfer window to help him.

Both appear ambitious and want to manage as high as possible and both pay great attention to detail.  Hurst respects the opposition and focuses on nullifying their strengths.  My initial observation of Jolley is that he respects the opposition but focuses on how best to exploit their weaknesses.  Blundell Park has become a fortress again whilst under Hurst our away form was usually better than our home form.

Hurst seemed to have one rigid way of playing and although hard to beat, we often struggled to break teams down.  His substitutions were generally like for like and predictable whereas Jolley is not afraid to take risks.  Yesterday at 1-1 being a prime example as I feel Hurst would have continued with the Osborne substitution.

We had a great team spirit under Hurst and it appears the same under Jolley.  Players are celebrating as a team, encouraging each other through the game and not arguing like earlier in the season.  Many players moved to the area under Hurst and it appears Jolley wishes for the same except he is leading by example and Hurst did not.

Both are highly qualified coaches but Hurst has been around much longer to prove his success at identifying and developing players (Hearn, Pearson, Macca, Bogle).  Jolley will ultimately be judged on this but he has certainly coached something into this team the last two months.  Fox was eager to come work for Jolley again (you could argue he just wanted a wage but his performances suggest otherwise).  Based on Fox I think he will be as good as, if not better than Hurst at player identification.  Both are respected in the game and this goes a long way when negotiating signings with clubs.  That said, I don't expect Aston Villa to be a club we will be approaching this summer.

Hurst was never popular with the supporters but Jolley has been from day one.  He speaks concise in a language we all understand.   You actually believe that his programme notes is actually his writing and he has praised the supporters from day one.  He is very clever and probably realises if he has the supporters on his side, they won't turn on him when the going gets tough.

I was never one who thought Hurst should go; but I did think supporter pressure would force him out if we did not get promoted in 2016.  The National League is the toughest league to get out of and our budget down there was not as good as most people think.

I am not voting in this poll because the circumstances are totally different and part of me thinks I would be saying Jolley because of yesterday but I genuinely think next season will be successful with some football fortune along the way.

A very good and thoughtful post is that.

I liked Hurst despite his obvious faults and would have continued to back him had he stayed, because one of my main worries was the ability of the board to get a decent replacement. Bignot was a disaster as it turned out and Slade went downhill after a decent start.

Jolley seems to be the best thing that has happened to GTFC in years, and I hope the club back him to the hilt to really get us moving. Why so many  managers seem to want to alienate fans is beyond me; even Alan Buckley had a reputation for a being a bit aloof (yet he was great with  people in private) and as you say Jolley has realised that if you get the fans onside from the off, it is a whole lot easier.

The only slight proviso is that I remember Mike Newell saying good things about the club and the fans, but he couldn't back it up with anything concrete, so I hope that Jolley will be the real deal.

Couldn’t stand the moaning Yorky

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A very good and thoughtful post is that.

I liked Hurst despite his obvious faults and would have continued to back him had he stayed, because one of my main worries was the ability of the board to get a decent replacement. Bignot was a disaster as it turned out and Slade went downhill after a decent start.

Jolley seems to be the best thing that has happened to GTFC in years, and I hope the club back him to the hilt to really get us moving. Why so many  managers seem to want to alienate fans is beyond me; even Alan Buckley had a reputation for a being a bit aloof (yet he was great with  people in private) and as you say Jolley has realised that if you get the fans onside from the off, it is a whole lot easier.

The only slight proviso is that I remember Mike Newell saying good things about the club and the fans, but he couldn't back it up with anything concrete, so I hope that Jolley will be the real deal.

Thanks.  Given that Newell would probably have celebrated last night drinking McMennemy's dry, only to leave when Fenty pulled his tie whilst Jolley couldn't wait to go home and have a cup of tea with his wife so I think that can safely put that comparison to bed!

As many have said, impossible to judge until Jolley has had a fair crack with his own players (not just two free agents he managed to bring in before the deadline).

Jolley has worked a miracle here in two months, but judgement has to be made over a longer period of time.  Hurst is no longer our manager and we need to move on from this obsession with him.  He got us back in the Football League, some liked him and some didn't.  That's it, look forwards not back.

Too early to judge Jolley but if he turns out to be as good as Hurst I don't think we'll be worrying about relegation next season

Much too early to say. After 6 games a lot of us thought Bignot was an OK manager.

Ask us again at Christmas.

Where is the Bignot  option?