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davmariner
March 4, 2018, 12:48am
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Just arrived home a short time ago from the shitshow of earlier. What an absolutely disgraceful and gutless performance.

This post from Poojah from nearly ten years ago sums up how I feel about this side:

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Dear Players of Grimsby Town FC

I am writing with regard to my absolute astonishment and disbelief as to the sheer magnitude of your complete lack of talent and failure to carry out the job for which you are paid to do. I am not aware of any swear word or other derogatory phrase in my current vocabulary which comes close to a description of your ‘performance’ (and I use that term loosely) this afternoon, but let me just say that you have collectively reached a level of inadequacy and ineptitude that neither I nor modern science had previously considered possible.

In fact I recall a time, in my youth, when I decided to call in sick at work and instead spent the entire day in my one bedroom flat wearing nothing but my underpants, eating toast and wánking furiously over second-rate Scandinavian porn. Yet somehow, I still managed to contribute more to my employer in that one Andrex-filled day than you complete bunch of toss-baskets have contributed to this club in your entire time here.

I would genuinely like to know how you pathetic little píssflaps sleep at night, knowing full well that you have taken my money and that of several thousand others and delivered precisely fúck all in return. I run a business myself, and I believe I could take any 4,000 of my customers at random; burn down their houses, impregnate their wives and then dismember their children before systematically sending them back in the post, limb-by-limb, and still ensure a level of customer satisfaction which exceeds that which I have experienced at Blundell Park at any time so far this season.

You are a total disgrace, not only to your profession, not only to the human race, but to nature itself. This may sound like an exaggeration, but believe me when I say that I have passed kidney stones which have brought me a greater level of pleasure and entertainment than watching each of you worthless excuses for professional footballers attempt to play a game you are clearly incapable of playing, week-in, week-out.

I considered, for a second, that I was perhaps being a little too harsh. But then I recalled that I have blindly given you all the benefit of the doubt for too long now. Yes, for too long you have failed to earn the air you’ve been breathing by offering any kind of tangible quality either as footballers or as people in general. As such, I feel it’s only fair that your supply runs out forthwith.

I trust, at this precise moment in time, that Mr Fenty is in his office tapping away on the Easyjet web site booking you all one-way flights to Zurich, complete with an overnight stay with our cheese eating friends at Dignitas. Don’t bother packing your toothbrush – you won’t need it.

In the event that our beloved chairman can’t afford the expense (understandable given that he’s soon going to have to assemble a new squad from scratch), then I am prepared to sell my family (including my unborn child) to a dubious consortium of Middle Eastern businessmen in order to pay for the flights. Christ, I’ll drive you there myself, one-by one, without sleep, if I have to.

Failing that, understanding that most dubious Middle Eastern businessmen are tied-up purchasing Premier League football clubs, I ask you to please take matters into your hands. Use your imagination, guys – strangle yourselves or cover yourself in tinfoil and take a fork to a nearby plug socket, or something. Just put yourselves and us fans out of our collective misery.

So, in summary, you pack of repugnant, sputum-filled, invertebrate bástards; leave this club now and don’t you fúcking dare look back. You’ve consistently demonstrated less passion and desire than can commonly be found within the contents of a sloth’s scrótum, so frankly you can just all fúck off – don’t pass go, don’t collect your wages, don’t ever come back to this town again.

I look forward to you serving me at my local McDonald’s drive-thru in the near future.

Yours sincerely


A very disillusioned Mariner


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Over to you Mr Jolley...........good luck.


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March 4, 2018, 5:47am
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I don’t think there will ever be a better post than Poojah’s rant. Ever.




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The saddest part about Poojah's excellent post is here we are now and it's s bad if not worse than back then.

Many players have come and gone in that time.

The only people that remain constant are  THE FANS AND FENTY

Not hard to work it out obviously we have caused all this decline over the years.
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I preferred Poojah's second 'fůck off' and rant. 😂😂


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So sad that it is as relevant (or possibly even more relevant) today

How far haven't we come


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This is not helping anyone. These are professional footballers not fools or con merchants like some we have had, and they know the side is failing. They don't need this sort of extra moanalot exhortation pressure when the name of the game is to get the goal that will set us on the right track.

Poojah was right for that time. It is not right for now. We have a new manager, players need to impress, they will try to impress. That is human nature. Help them to do it, don't hammer them further into the turf than they already are.


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Fully concur with Ron.The intransigent view of some of our fans does nothing at all to alleviate the situation, if anything it compounds it. From what I saw yesterday I am of the firm opin ion that the players who have been the mainstay of the team for quite some time have developed a mindset under Slade that is going to be difficult to shift. I think this is where Jolley's expertise might be most beneficial. The fact that we played the kick it long and hope game yesterday suggests that Paul Wilkinson is also on the same wavelength. Given the opportunity to develop something completely different he hasn't managed to do so, but that's not hard to understand.

Paul is still a good coach on the technical side, no doubting that from where he's been, but perhaps it's the man management and psychology of getting players to work for you that is lacking. If Jolley can do that he's more than halfway there. There are players in the squad, most of whom didn't get a start yesterday who will probably bust a gut to impress, and there will be those who simply want away. That will happen close season, but in the meantime there's no point in banging the drum saying we're crap etc. The club needs the fans more now than probably ever before. Slash the entrance fee to all the remaining home games, fill Blundell Park, and let's try and see some return on what I think will be an astute managerial appointment.


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Misdirected anger and feelings of overwhelming helplessness. The younger players have the energy required for the task but leadership at all levels is letting them down. If MJ can channel the fight and determination some still have we can survive. Give him that chance.
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I agree ... But, the squad need to start acting like professionals and collectively start to deliver something that resembles something of a performance.  I can forgive players who are not the most skillful or the most intelligent.  I want to see our team coming off the pitch totally knackered, black and blue, covered in mud, being able to look at fans in the eyes - who've shelled out hard earned cash - knowing that they couldn't have given anything more out there.  If we have lost, had a proper go at it, so be it.  But what I won't accept is a lack of commitment and effort, or giving half-arsed performances, mugging of the fans who have spent hard earned money to go and watch them.  

Many of these players think is acceptable to hide week in week out, but it's a two-way thing.  The players need to give us fans something back, showing us that there is some fight in them.  They need to wake up, take a look at themselves in the mirror and ask "are we doing the best we can as a unit?  Individually, Am I giving it 100%?".  MJ needs to come in quick and shift the negativity and stagnant aroma that's lingering around BP, but at a motivational level he needs to get inside the heads of those players. MJ needs to get the players to gel, or find others who can quickly form a cohesive organised unit and who are prepared to get stuck in for each other.  He also needs to find a leader amongst that lot, someone that the younger professionals respect and the others will follow through thick and thin.

Because the cold reality of the fact is that, unless we start winning games, it's unlikely that many of them will be professional footballers or even footballers come end of season.


This is not helping anyone. These are professional footballers not fools or con merchants like some we have had, and they know the side is failing. They don't need this sort of extra moanalot exhortation pressure when the name of the game is to get the goal that will set us on the right track.

Poojah was right for that time. It is not right for now. We have a new manager, players need to impress, they will try to impress. That is human nature. Help them to do it, don't hammer them further into the turf than they already are.

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Quoted from Mrs Doyle
The saddest part about Poojah's excellent post is here we are now and it's s bad if not worse than back then.


How can you say it's worse? We're Football League for Christ's sake. If you had shown me the league table now this time two years ago I'd have snapped your hand off.

Yes things are great but they have been a lot lot worse than they are now. That first season in the Conference was a very bleak year.


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How can you say it's worse? We're Football League for Christ's sake. If you had shown me the league table now this time two years ago I'd have snapped your hand off.

Yes things are great but they have been a lot lot worse than they are now. That first season in the Conference was a very bleak year.


Surely its worse now? We got back into the league after six horrible years, and now we are about to be relegated again unless a miracle happens.

It is worse in my opinion because this has almost been a master class in how not to take a club forward following the euphoria of promotion. It is worse now because if we go down again I reckon that will be that; I don't think the club will have it in itself to rise again, and I think the fans will not forgive or stay with the club as they did to a degree last time.

I genuinely and naively thought once we had got back into the league we would stay there for the remainder of my life; of course I was assuming JF would have learned something from how he got us relegated last time.
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Can u tell me which players aren't trying? Coz I haven't seen any lack of effort apart from maybe Dixon who is apparently on 2.5k per week and has been lamentable.just a complete lack of confidence. Poor decision making and in some cases a lack of ability.
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We are in this situation now not only because Slade had no idea what he was doing but also because our non chairman let him do it for far too long,

If we go down we can not put any blame at Mr Jolley's door,

Its all down to Slade and Fenty,

The Fishy could see what Slade was doing to our club but the board did nothing until it was too late,

Expecting this useless shower to win at least 3 home games out of 5 when we have only won 4 out of 18 would be a miracle.


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How can you say it's worse? We're Football League for Christ's sake. If you had shown me the league table now this time two years ago I'd have snapped your hand off.

Yes things are great but they have been a lot lot worse than they are now. That first season in the Conference was a very bleak year.


It's worse because we know what's coming if we go down. When we went down, there was an attitude that turned out to be very wrong that we would breeze the Conference. We know now that it's not that way at all.

More than that, to do it once was poor, to repeat would be unforgivable.
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Whilst the sentiment of that Poojah rant is understandable, the actual content and language is childish and embarrassing. I've never grasped why it was held up as some literary masterpiece that speaks for the disillusioned.

I feel that anger and frustration but reading it makes me cringe.


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Quoted from chaos33
Whilst the sentiment of that Poojah rant is understandable, the actual content and language is childish and embarrassing. I've never grasped why it was held up as some literary masterpiece that speaks for the disillusioned.

I feel that anger and frustration but reading it makes me cringe.


Yeah, I remembered it as being somewhat masterful, but actually it’s pretty embarrassing.


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This is not helping anyone. These are professional footballers not fools or con merchants like some we have had, and they know the side is failing. They don't need this sort of extra moanalot exhortation pressure when the name of the game is to get the goal that will set us on the right track.

Poojah was right for that time. It is not right for now. We have a new manager, players need to impress, they will try to impress. That is human nature. Help them to do it, don't hammer them further into the turf than they already are.


Brilliant post.

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Quoted from grimsby pete
We are in this situation now not only because Slade had no idea what he was doing but also because our non chairman let him do it for far too long,

If we go down we can not put any blame at Mr Jolley's door,

Its all down to Slade and Fenty,

The Fishy could see what Slade was doing to our club but the board did nothing until it was too late,

Expecting this useless shower to win at least 3 home games out of 5 when we have only won 4 out of 18 would be a miracle.


I think your right but our current predicament goes further back than that.

For me the appointment of Bignot was wrong as I am not sure JF did enough due diligence on the charterer of the man. The next bit was allowing him to build a squad of 30 plus pros and sucking up a lot of the Omar money.

Appointing Slade was a stupid move, we where safe from relegation he could have got rid of Bignot and given the rest of the season to Dave Moore and Dis and really took his time to ensure we got the right replacement.

Many mistakes have been made and the lack of strategy spanning 2 decades reeks of rank amateurism but now is not the time for looking back the next 10 games are the difference between us possibly becoming an established EFL side or potentially a long term fixture in non league football.    

As for the current crop well in nay job you get those who want to be the best they possible can and those who are just happy to go into work drift along and show no real ambition, the latter are not bad people it's just the way it is. Where us fans would see it as a privilege playing for GTFC is a job for pretty much all of them we better help regardless of ambition that they have some professional pride for the next 10 games.  
  




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Can u tell me which players aren't trying? Coz I haven't seen any lack of effort apart from maybe Dixon who is apparently on 2.5k per week and has been lamentable.just a complete lack of confidence. Poor decision making and in some cases a lack of ability.


How would you know? As far as I can tell you don't go to games and you pay attention to other teams games so you can update us on their scores. How are the Shrews doing lately? And Lincoln? All those other teams you support.
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Quoted from chaos33
Whilst the sentiment of that Poojah rant is understandable, the actual content and language is childish and embarrassing. I've never grasped why it was held up as some literary masterpiece that speaks for the disillusioned.

I feel that anger and frustration but reading it makes me cringe.


For what it's worth I probably agree with you. At the time, it was written with the intention of being disposed of after an hour or two, not something that would be referred back to nearly a decade later. I never quite understood the fuss at the time if I'm honest.

Anyway, choice of words aside I think most at least agreed with the sentiment. Back then we had a squad virtually devoid of talent and worse still, very little care for the club and its supporters. Honestly, I don't feel today's bunch fall into quite the same category - we have to remember that as recently as Boxing Day that we were in the top half of the table with half an eye on the play-offs.

It was hardly total football but it was, for the most part, competent. The issue as I see it is a crisis of confidence amongst a squad which, whilst not brilliant, is nevertheless capable of league two football.

I'm personally not convinced that a manager in his first headline role in English football is the right choice for us at this moment, I'm really not, but one way or another we need to seize this new start as an opportunity to breathe some life and confidence back into a badly struggling team.

10 games to save the club - it won't survive another non-league relegation in my humble opinion.



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How can you say it's worse? We're Football League for Christ's sake. If you had shown me the league table now this time two years ago I'd have snapped your hand off.

Yes things are great but they have been a lot lot worse than they are now. That first season in the Conference was a very bleak year.


I guess if the negativity continues your corporate masters will take away the site again. Sorry but sprinkling glitter on excrement doesn't make it less excrement. It doesn't matter what league we are in, bad is bad. "shut up, we are in the league now aren't we!?" isn't a compelling argument. Yes it's been bad before, but I can't remember a time when I wanted to pull a Gordan Ramsey on the whole team and be all "urine off will you..."  because I can't stand the sight of them going through the motions every game when they clearly don't want to play for us.

If you think the first season in the conference was worse than this then you really are blind. We were inconsistent but under no threat of relegation and for their obvious lack of any real talent the team were triers and got some decent wins. It was frustrating due to the expectation we'd urine that league but I attended every home game that season and a couple of away games happily. Right now I have no motivation to go to games, it's not entertaining or interesting and the only reason I think anyone goes now is out of habit because it's been part of their week for so long. I would happily watch a team that plays below expectations but still tries, I can't bear to watch a team that doesn't even want to try and puts so little effort in.
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I guess if the negativity continues your corporate masters will take away the site again. Sorry but sprinkling glitter on excrement doesn't make it less excrement. It doesn't matter what league we are in, bad is bad. "shut up, we are in the league now aren't we!?" isn't a compelling argument. Yes it's been bad before, but I can't remember a time when I wanted to pull a Gordan Ramsey on the whole team and be all "urine off will you..."  because I can't stand the sight of them going through the motions every game when they clearly don't want to play for us.

If you think the first season in the conference was worse than this then you really are blind. We were inconsistent but under no threat of relegation and for their obvious lack of any real talent the team were triers and got some decent wins. It was frustrating due to the expectation we'd urine that league but I attended every home game that season and a couple of away games happily. Right now I have no motivation to go to games, it's not entertaining or interesting and the only reason I think anyone goes now is out of habit because it's been part of their week for so long. I would happily watch a team that plays below expectations but still tries, I can't bear to watch a team that doesn't even want to try and puts so little effort in.


Any season in the National League is worse than one in this one, it's as simple as that. If you are happier winning games most of the time then maybe you would be happier in a division where we are bigger fish, but personally I'd rather compete at a higher level even if it means success comes around a lot less often. Just because I don't agree with you have to run me down, I am as entitled to my point as anyone else.


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Any season in the National League is worse than one in this one, it's as simple as that. If you are happier winning games most of the time then maybe you would be happier in a division where we are bigger fish, but personally I'd rather compete at a higher level even if it means success comes around a lot less often.


Sorry Rob but I just don't get that at all. Surely you want to see the team win and be at the right end of the division (whichever one it is) rather than getting beaten by bigger, better teams. Surely, assuming we can't have both then success beats the quality of the football hands down. Top four in any division rather than bottom four in a higher level division anytime for me



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Sorry Rob but I just don't get that at all. Surely you want to see the team win and be at the right end of the division (whichever one it is) rather than getting beaten by bigger, better teams. Surely, assuming we can't have both then success beats the quality of the football hands down. Top four in any division rather than bottom four in a higher level division anytime for me



Yes I would love to have my cake and eat it but to return the question that this is the worse season ever then I would say that it certainly isn't (yet) because a) we have been in lower divisions, b) we are far from relegated, despite the general malaise. If we stay up this season there is no way this would even be a contender for the worst season ever in our 140 years, given that we have twice been kicked out the league, faced re-election to the league twice, and been relegated from higher divisions numerous times. If we go down it would certainly be up there, but it's not over yet, and we haven't had any of Jolley's input yet.


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Quoted from forza ivano
Can u tell me which players aren't trying? Coz I haven't seen any lack of effort apart from maybe Dixon who is apparently on 2.5k per week and has been lamentable.just a complete lack of confidence. Poor decision making and in some cases a lack of ability.


Hooper at times looks like he can't be arsed as do both Matt and Vernon recently, Berrett would rather chop an opponent down than make a forward pass, and I can't remember the last time Woolford broke into a jog when he played.

As someone else mentioned how many games do you get to to have a real view on players performances?
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For what it's worth I probably agree with you. At the time, it was written with the intention of being disposed of after an hour or two, not something that would be referred back to nearly a decade later. I never quite understood the fuss at the time if I'm honest.

Anyway, choice of words aside I think most at least agreed with the sentiment. Back then we had a squad virtually devoid of talent and worse still, very little care for the club and its supporters. Honestly, I don't feel today's bunch fall into quite the same category - we have to remember that as recently as Boxing Day that we were in the top half of the table with half an eye on the play-offs.

It was hardly total football but it was, for the most part, competent. The issue as I see it is a crisis of confidence amongst a squad which, whilst not brilliant, is nevertheless capable of league two football.

I'm personally not convinced that a manager in his first headline role in English football is the right choice for us at this moment, I'm really not, but one way or another we need to seize this new start as an opportunity to breathe some life and confidence back into a badly struggling team.

10 games to save the club - it won't survive another non-league relegation in my humble opinion.



yes but that side up until Boxing Day was not quite  the team we have now, it had Jones and his 6 league goals (not great but a goal every 3 games or so is a quantum leap over any striker we have available now).

It also had Osborne who in a 3 minute spell in the swindon game did more than Berrett has all season and set up a goal, (was that Osborne's only appearance)? As an aside we at least had the hope that Osborne (and maybe Clements) would come into the squad to improve it too.

Also maybe Collins being that bit older this season he is struggling to keep going for the later part of the season as the legs have started to go, but may have been ok earlier on?
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