Is this the worst Town side in History?

Given the league we play in, the total lack of quality, the part time sides around us.

Various sides from 2008-2011 were worse.

No

I don't think so, and I actually believe some of the players MAY be more suited to League 2

However, I'm not sure we've worked out yet exactly what's needed to get out of this league

Certainly up there in respect of performances at BP.

One point that puzzles me is that when we announce our summer signings the Fishy response is always very positive, best winger in league, best midfield player etc. personally, i never know who is who in the opposition so not able to comment.

So the point is are us fans bad judges of a player or does PH's tactical approach result in the players inabilty to perform in the town shirt ?

Not for me, no.

Seen a lot worse over the last 43 years.

Nothing like the worst. It is one of the flimsiest and most lacking in backbone though.

The team that finished mid table in his first year would beat this team.
Great team to watch too in the 2nd half of the season

Maybe it's the way the players are being managed, I think we have some decent players in this present team.

Its the most predictable !
We all know how this team will play and this season will pan out , we have seen it all in the last 3 season.
Just wait until the trophy games kick in and he brings in a striker next week that will be left on the bench for a month.
All sound familiar ?

I think it's the best squad since we've been down here.

Rather than being told do your thing and score 1 more than them. They are being put on the emphasis not to concede. IMO

Timmo
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Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Certainly up there in respect of performances at BP.

One point that puzzles me is that when we announce our summer signings the Fishy response is always very positive, best winger in league, best midfield player etc. personally, i never know who is who in the opposition so not able to comment.

So the point is are us fans bad judges of a player or does PH's tactical approach result in the players inabilty to perform in the town shirt ?

We coach ability out of good players, we seem to get a well known player with a good reputation who starts really well (Hannah, Arnold, Brown, Nsiala, Colbeck, Neilson, Parslow, Cook, Hatton, Pell, Marshall etc.) and who knows how many more I don't remember from the last couple of seasons who play well for a few weeks then turn to cr@p.

I still think we have an excellent squad - but I think they're downtrodden and demotivated and have just lost their drive.

No, we have a great squad, the manager is brilliant at taking any flair and passion out of a player. Until we see a change in tactical ability from the bench we will not go up.

Quoted from Bruce Springsteen

Given the league we play in, the total lack of quality, the part time sides around us.

You only post when Town lose! You must be in your element tonight!

Quoted from Teesknees

You only post when Town lose! You must be in your element tonight!

certainly posting a lot more of late

good sqaud (barring a couple) very poor manager. simple

Quoted from timmo

I think it's the best squad since we've been down here.

Rather than being told do your thing and score 1 more than them. They are being put on the emphasis not to concede. IMO

Timmo
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I would agree although half the first team needs replacing.

The worst team ever assembled was under Mike Neweel, some the laziest, fattest and mercenary losers ever to grace BP.

not the players. its the way they play and that is down to our brainless manager imo

The majority of fans agree this is probably the best squad of players we have had in this league but they are not motivated and managed to their ability and that is the management's fault.

Nielson for example on his day is a very creative player but he looks more jaded every game. Our home form is awful we are getting found out at the back as teams come here unafraid and attack minded. Are we really just a mid table side?? We will lose the talented players here unless somebody grabs them by the scuff of the neck, kicks some behind and says those fans deserve more passion and commitment get our there and fight for every ball.

Quoted from Tinymariner

No, we have a great squad, the manager is brilliant at taking any flair and passion out of a player. Until we see a change in tactical ability from the bench we will not go up.

We have good players but some very average ones aswell. Tactically teams read us very quickly and change if need be we on the other hand have plan a but no plan b Hurst very rarely manages to change the course of a game

Quoted from denni266

not the players. its the way they play and that is down to our brainless manager imo

Let me just get this straight.......the players were in no way responsible for today's debacle?

Paul Hurst was responsible for Arnold ducking out of a tackle on the edge of their box and 15 seconds later defenders were having to make last ditch tackles?
Paul Hurst was responsible for literally 100s of passes going astray over 95 minutes?

Not the worst players but almost certainly the most boring, defensive, unexciting, stubbornly one dimensional manager we've ever had by some considerable margin.
You'll be sat up there on your own very soon John I'm afraid.
Time is running out fast....Tick Tock.....

Quoted from barralad

Let me just get this straight.......the players were in no way responsible for today's debacle?

Paul Hurst was responsible for Arnold ducking out of a tackle on the edge of their box and 15 seconds later defenders were having to make last ditch tackles?
Paul Hurst was responsible for literally 100s of passes going astray over 95 minutes?

Certainly not Barra but they are players he has brought in so surely has to accept some of the responsibility. I do not expect a change in manager until the end of the season but this continued failure to produce a performance  at BP will ultimately cost him his job.

If he proves the doubters wrong great but it appears more unlikely as each home game passes.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Certainly not Barra but they are players he has brought in so surely has to accept some of the responsibility. I do not expect a change in manager until the end of the season but this continued failure to produce a performance  at BP will ultimately cost him his job.

If he proves the doubters wrong great but it appears more unlikely as each home game passes.

My post was in response to Denni's usual anti-Hurst titbit about it not being anyone's fault but the manager. As usual I haven't been holding my breath.
There is collective responsibility...

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Certainly not Barra but they are players he has brought in so surely has to accept some of the responsibility. I do not expect a change in manager until the end of the season but this continued failure to produce a performance  at BP will ultimately cost him his job.

If he proves the doubters wrong great but it appears more unlikely as each home game passes.

Yes but the fans booing for the past 3 home games at full time doesn't help hurst motivate the players

UTM

No not the worst town side in history at all

Quoted from barralad

Let me just get this straight.......the players were in no way responsible for today's debacle?

Paul Hurst was responsible for Arnold ducking out of a tackle on the edge of their box and 15 seconds later defenders were having to make last ditch tackles?
Paul Hurst was responsible for literally 100s of passes going astray over 95 minutes?

Well Hurst continues to pick certain players even though they continue to turn in crap performances, Arnold has been hopeless these past few weeks especially at Macclesfield and at home to Lincoln yet he is still first choice and only Hurst knows why he wasn't substituted.

Quoted from GTFCAcko

Yes but the fans booing for the past 3 home games at full time doesn't help hurst motivate the players

UTM

Oh dear, it's back to the fans fault again.

Quoted from GTFCAcko

Yes but the fans booing for the past 3 home games at full time doesn't help hurst motivate the players

UTM

Do not recall any booing after we beat Forest Green and even against Lincoln was a very small minority. End of the day as others have said players and squad not as good as we thought and PH has learned nothing from his previous seasons in charge.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Do not recall any booing after we beat Forest Green and even against Lincoln was a very small minority. End of the day as others have said players and squad not as good as we thought and PH has learned nothing from his previous seasons in charge.

Agreed Lincoln Mariner

As I recall it the team were given the usual victory induced applause after we'd defeated FGR...maybe more out of relief that we'd got back in to it after nearly letting it slip but I'd say it was definitely more of a positive reponse at the end of the evening rather than anything negative

And to be honest I didn't notice too much booing after the Lincoln game although that could have been more to do with their fans' celebratory cheers drowning out any jeers from our "fans"

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Do not recall any booing after we beat Forest Green and even against Lincoln was a very small minority. End of the day as others have said players and squad not as good as we thought and PH has learned nothing from his previous seasons in charge.

Agree you've hit the nail on the head regarding Hurst not learning anything. He's so stubborn and never accepts responsibility.

                     Colgan
Bore  Linwood  Bennett  Wood
Forbes  Mendy  Sweeney  Shahin
     Akpa-Akpro   Magennis


Town's line-up vs Rochdale. October 2009.
Newell's last game in charge.

Quoted from Tommy

                     Colgan
Bore  Linwood  Bennett  Wood
Forbes  Mendy  Sweeney  Shahin
     Akpa-Akpro   Magennis


Town's line-up vs Rochdale. October 2009.
Newell's last game in charge.

The bench was even worse...with the exception of possibly Danny North ( who by then I recall had been publicly lambasted so no surprise he wasn't first choice )

Jamie Clark
Matt Heywood
Grant Normington
Michael Leary
Chris Jones
Danny North

Quoted from Tommy

                     Colgan
Bore  Linwood  Bennett  Wood
Forbes  Mendy  Sweeney  Shahin
     Akpa-Akpro   Magennis


Town's line-up vs Rochdale. October 2009.
Newell's last game in charge.

Bennett and Akpa-Akpro would make our side now but nobody else although I can't actually remember Shahin.

Quoted from horsforthmariner

Bennett and Akpa-Akpro would make our side now but nobody else although I can't actually remember Shahin.

Wasnt he a local lad? Scored a good goal in one of his first game? or maybe it was a reserve game

Quoted from Neilo83

Wasnt he a local lad? Scored a good goal in one of his first game? or maybe it was a reserve game

Looking at wikipedia - yeah he is local now plays for Grimsby Borough. I think I suppress most of my memories of town from that period.

Worse thread ever! No by far not the worst team ever! simples

Worst side? No. Most under-performing squad? Possibly.

For any player to obtain a professional contract before they even sign for us , must mean that they have ability seen by other managers .  
Unfortunately the style adopted at BP appears to stifle this .  Players have off days , but not all together as we are seeing .

Think I said last season , after the Gatehead league match what could Gary Mills as manager do with the squad we had .  We have hit another low in Towns history .

Quoted from ginnywings

Not for me, no.

Seen a lot worse over the last 43 years.

no from me imho Hurst has and will not play the players to their ability