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moosey_club
October 9, 2014, 10:27pm
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Quoted from Rodley Mariner


I haven't got a list, I play it on a felon by felon basis.

No issue for you?


As a tax paying, law abiding (probably) citizen of a democratic society i have to accept that the penal system is what it is.....time done free man.

Also its not as though he would be running up the wing nipping in and out of the main stand raping women is it?  Any support he would receive would be entirely for his football ability.  


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The law of the land says he has served his time and he should be able to join society on licence.

If everybody who came out of prison was not able to earn an honest living,

They would have no choice but return to crime,

He is not like Hughes who ran away after killing somebody,

He might even be innocent , who knows ?

Don't forget Clayton Macdonald was there at the time and we all excepted him,

If Evans did rape the said person why did Macdonald not do something about it ?


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October 10, 2014, 12:24am
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If he was willing to come here and bang in some much needed goals then I might start going again, and as for the dodgy rape conviction, il give him the benefit of the doubt considering 9 out of 10 rape victims fabricate their story's in order to clear their guilt after a night of shame. It's the real victims I feel sorry for like the joggers in the park, the woman attacked as they walk home alone etc, not slappers who decide to go to a room with half a dozen men.
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October 10, 2014, 8:21am
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I'm not suggesting you were. I was merely pointing out that football fans, and people in general for that matter, are selective with their morals when it serves their own purpose. If Town signed Ched Evans (which we won't of course) and he went on to score 30 goals this season, securing promotion in the process, the majority of fans would either 'forget' his conviction or seek to rationalise it somehow ("he should never have been sent down in the first place" etc.).

That's just the way it is.


Looks that people are doing that already - who needs a judge and a jury listening to weeks worth of evidence when you've got The Fishy? I wondered how long it'd be before somebody went down the 'He's not as bad as Lee Hughes' route and Grimsby Pete stepped up.
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If he was willing to come here and bang in some much needed goals then I might start going again, and as for the dodgy rape conviction, il give him the benefit of the doubt considering 9 out of 10 rape victims fabricate their story's in order to clear their guilt after a night of shame. It's the real victims I feel sorry for like the joggers in the park, the woman attacked as they walk home alone etc, not slappers who decide to go to a room with half a dozen men.


I thought The Fishy couldn't get any more depressing at the moment....
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October 10, 2014, 6:20pm

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If Evans doesn't sign for a (half decent) FL club I'll eat a BP burger.


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What I don't understand is how was Clayton MacDonald found not guilty but Ched Evans was found guilty, when they were both arrested for the same thing? Surely they were both guilty or not guilty, not one guilty and the other free to go


Take a look at this. It gives an insight in to his side of the story

http://www.chedevans.com

Of course it is just one side of the story and I guess he had the funds to arrange a public defence whereas the woman involved maybe didn't have either the finance or the inclination to go public, leaving the legal system to fight her corner

Back to the initial notion of him coming here - unlikely I'd say but I think I'd be ok with him playing for Town
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This doing the rounds at the moment on change.org

Warning: This petition contains information about sexual assault that may be upsetting to some readers.

Ched Evans was a striker for Sheffield United when in 2012 he was found guilty of raping a 19 year old and sentenced to five and a half years in jail. He will be released this month and his club are in talks to bring him back to the team.

Jean Hatchet started a petition calling on the team not to re-sign Ched Evans. She says that Evans does not acknowledge his guilt because he doesn't understand the difference between consensual sex and rape and that returning to his former club reinforces the message that this isn't important.
In the weeks leading to his release Jean wants to show Sheffield United that the public are against him being re-signed.

Warning: This petition contains information about sexual assault that may be upsetting to some readers.

Ched Evans was convicted of rape. It was a process of justice. To even consider reinstating him as a player at the same club is a deep insult to the woman who was raped and to all women like her who have suffered at the hands of a rapist.

"For the male leaders of the club to endorse him and "welcome him back" is an absolute humiliation to all women who expect the men who commit gross acts of violence against women to pay for what they have done and part of that is relinquishing the celebrity they attained, and in this case used as a tool to facilitate the violence. The clear message to young boys and men is that you will be forgiven for this crime. Women will not be believed when they accuse you of that crime even if a court believes them.

The message given is that men who commit such atrocious crimes will suffer only a small penance whilst the women they attack suffer for the rest of their lives.

Sheffield United Football Club must not reinforce that message. "
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Can't agree with that petition. He's been punished, he has a right to work. He did something horrible yes but has served the punishment that the laws of the land deemed suitable. And he will now have that reputation for life and it will forever be a cloud over him, he shouldn't be stopped from working as well. I bet the same woman wouldn't be bothered about a bin collector going back to work.


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Quoted from 2578
If he was willing to come here and bang in some much needed goals then I might start going again, and as for the dodgy rape conviction, il give him the benefit of the doubt considering 9 out of 10 rape victims fabricate their story's in order to clear their guilt after a night of shame. It's the real victims I feel sorry for like the joggers in the park, the woman attacked as they walk home alone etc, not slappers who decide to go to a room with half a dozen men.


Eight people have liked this post. How worrying. Not one has actually passed comment though so I guess if they're ashamed that they liked it then that's a crumb of comfort.
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