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Tragic case this, but can`t help but think that 5 years in prison for the train guard involved is a tad over the top when you put it into the context of some prison sentences. Rather surprising also that the personal responsibility of not being drunk around trains and that the obvious parental deficiencies at work here weren't mentioned by the judge. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-20339630
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Tragic case this, but can`t help but think that 5 years in prison for the train guard involved is a tad over the top when you put it into the context of some prison sentences. Rather surprising also that the personal responsibility of not being drunk around trains and that the obvious parental deficiencies at work here weren't mentioned by the judge. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-20339630
Yes tragic indeed, I work for the railway and safety is paramount on our job for obvious reasons, If we get told of any trespasses etc we have to caution the driver accordingly through the required section, There does need to be more awareness with regards to not going near the rails or crossing abuse (which at Pasture street, Wellowgate, Garden street and Littlefield lane happens everyday) I do think railway operators and Network rail need to up the safety awareness campaign because at the minute people are taking no notice, Put it this way if a train hits you it turns your bone to mush.
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Feel sorry for the guy jailed - but if intoxication cannot be used as a defence for a crime committed surely it cannot be used as defence for the victim?
I think the best way of cracking down on underage drinking is to punish those who issue the alcohol to them - as they are responsible for her death in my opinion.
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November 15, 2012, 6:33pm |
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The guard was negligent, the teenage victim was drunk with traces of drugs found in her system, her mother states it's what all teenagers do, No it is not, it is tragic ..it was neglect by the guard,but the poor victim put herself at risk, only losers in a case like this, if only the youth of today would understand the risks they take....
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The thing that gets me about manslaughter is that this guy took a chance on the girl's safety which backfired with fatal consequences but thugs and idiots who mindlessly kill and mutilate get their murder pleas reduced to manslaughter too...
How can the two be compared? When this guy went to work he didn't set out to cause someone to lose their life but the losers who fancy their chances by mugging and kicking peoples heads in get the same justice?
Something wrong there imho
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November 16, 2012, 5:43pm |
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Tragic case this, but can`t help but think that 5 years in prison for the train guard involved is a tad over the top when you put it into the context of some prison sentences. Rather surprising also that the personal responsibility of not being drunk around trains and that the obvious parental deficiencies at work here weren't mentioned by the judge. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-20339630
Yeah 5 years, way too long....???? He'll be out after 2.5, erm, I don't think she'll be coming back... Parental deficiencies, what do you mean??? I'm lost by that comment... Agree RE: being drunk around trains... Like it or not though, people don't always act in a way that, we see, as rational... This man has a responsibility to prevent these things from happening, he failed and no excuses about someone else's actions ect, all he had to do was delay the train...
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Tragic case this, but can`t help but think that 5 years in prison for the train guard involved is a tad over the top when you put it into the context of some prison sentences. Rather surprising also that the personal responsibility of not being drunk around trains and that the obvious parental deficiencies at work here weren't mentioned by the judge. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-20339630
Wow, what a disgustingly insensitive and pretty unsubstantiated comment. Actually agree with this as a whole but that's a pretty remarkable thing to assume. How many kids at that age do you think are drinking and may have tried MDNA (a drug up until a few years ago was a legal high in the UK)? Do all those parents have 'deficiencies at work'? Crass is an understatement...
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November 17, 2012, 8:55am |
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you'd be happy about your sixteen year old daughter being drunk, drugged up and wandering around Liverpool on her own at midnight?
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November 17, 2012, 8:55am |
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Wow, what a disgustingly insensitive and pretty unsubstantiated comment.
Actually agree with this as a whole but that's a pretty remarkable thing to assume. How many kids at that age do you think are drinking and may have tried MDNA (a drug up until a few years ago was a legal high in the UK)? Do all those parents have 'deficiencies at work'?
Crass is an understatement...
Allowing your daughter who has only just turned 16 to get stoned out of her head on drink and drugs is hardly responsible parenting and the fact that everyone of that age does it, is hardly a defence really. It just seems to me that the authorities have taken the easy way out and laid the entire blame at the train guards feet, rather that finding out the real reasons as to why this tragedy happened. What about the people who were illegally supplying an underage girl with drink and drugs, how long have they been sentenced too. Maybe he does deserve a 5 year sentence for his obvious neglect of the girls safety but there was a recent case where a drunk driver had killed 2 innocent people in a car crash and he got 2 years inside for manslaughter. In that context I just think that a 5 year sentence does seem rather harsh. I do feel sorry for the girls family, nobody should have to lose a child.
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November 17, 2012, 9:50am |
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Allowing your daughter who has only just turned 16 to get stoned out of her head on drink and drugs is hardly responsible parenting and the fact that everyone of that age does it, is hardly a defence really. It just seems to me that the authorities have taken the easy way out and laid the entire blame at the train guards feet, rather that finding out the real reasons as to why this tragedy happened. What about the people who were illegally supplying an underage girl with drink and drugs, how long have they been sentenced too.
Maybe he does deserve a 5 year sentence for his obvious neglect of the girls safety but there was a recent case where a drunk driver had killed 2 innocent people in a car crash and he got 2 years inside for manslaughter. In that context I just think that a 5 year sentence does seem rather harsh.
I do feel sorry for the girls family, nobody should have to lose a child.
Pretty sweeping statement!
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