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Grantham_Mariner
July 15, 2024, 2:27pm

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......please can you rename this thread "Why I should br the next England manager".




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I didn’t think Spain were that good. Key England players were terrible. Kane was a disgrace. Was he fit? Walker was dreadful. Saka not much better. The inky 3 starters who can take any credit for that game were Pickford, Stones & Guehi. The rest were a mix of disappointing and appalling.

Southgate must take a good chunk of the blame as how we set up was bizarre. Bellingham has been the best player in Europe this season and he was wasted out on the left side of midfield.

It’s time for a change. Pep has a year left on his City contract. He’s said he wants an international job next.
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I didn’t think Spain were that good. Key England players were terrible. Kane was a disgrace. Was he fit? Walker was dreadful. Saka not much better. The inky 3 starters who can take any credit for that game were Pickford, Stones & Guehi. The rest were a mix of disappointing and appalling.

Southgate must take a good chunk of the blame as how we set up was bizarre. Bellingham has been the best player in Europe this season and he was wasted out on the left side of midfield.

It’s time for a change. Pep has a year left on his City contract. He’s said he wants an international job next.


How can you possible think Spain wern't that good ffs

They absolutely dominated England, and before Palmer scored, it should have been 3-0 to Spain.
They've beaten Croatia, Italy, Germany, France and now England, they've won 7 games in a row- be fair they've been excellent.

Spain have been without the talented Gavi, they lost Pedri, they lost Rodri at half time yesterday.
The much maligned Cucurella has been outstanding, Olmo also.

Whilst England were disappointing throughout the tournament, I think your doing Spain a great disservice  
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How can you possible think Spain wern't that good ffs

They absolutely dominated England, and before Palmer scored, it should have been 3-0 to Spain.
They've beaten Croatia, Italy, Germany, France and now England, they've won 7 games in a row- be fair they've been excellent.

Spain have been without the talented Gavi, they lost Pedri, they lost Rodri at half time yesterday.
The much maligned Cucurella has been outstanding, Olmo also.

Whilst England were disappointing throughout the tournament, I think your doing Spain a great disservice  
To be honest with you Hagrid very impressed with Yamal (breaking Pele's record for the youngest to play in a major final)  who arguably should have been given the player of the tournament ahead of Rodri. When he scored that goal in the semis against France it was one of them magical moments for me that sport encapsulates akin to when Fury got back up in the first Wilder fight and only(as in his words) being 50%.


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How can you possible think Spain wern't that good ffs

They absolutely dominated England, and before Palmer scored, it should have been 3-0 to Spain.
They've beaten Croatia, Italy, Germany, France and now England, they've won 7 games in a row- be fair they've been excellent.

Spain have been without the talented Gavi, they lost Pedri, they lost Rodri at half time yesterday.
The much maligned Cucurella has been outstanding, Olmo also.

Whilst England were disappointing throughout the tournament, I think your doing Spain a great disservice  


I agree, Spain played very exciting football at a fast pace and their one touch passing and movement was excellent.  They totally outplayed England.

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Williams was better than Yamal, so definitely not the best player of the tournament, not even in his own team, but definitely the best young player. Mainoo a creditable mention as he did better than I expected, even if he didn't seem to have much more than 60 minutes in him.

The Spanish team isn't perhaps quite as metronimic in possession as their successful teams of the past couple of decades, but they are brave and eager to have a real go at the opposition teams, helped by the two pacy wingers who really look to be loving playing. Even right near the death last night, the Spanish forwards were still trying to play and create another chance. In similar circumstances, we'd have been lined up on the edge of our penalty area.

I reckon Southgate will go and I hope we'll turn into a 'braver' team as well.
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Williams was better than Yamal, so definitely not the best player of the tournament, not even in his own team, but definitely the best young player. Mainoo a creditable mention as he did better than I expected, even if he didn't seem to have much more than 60 minutes in him.

The Spanish team isn't perhaps quite as metronimic in possession as their successful teams of the past couple of decades, but they are brave and eager to have a real go at the opposition teams, helped by the two pacy wingers who really look to be loving playing. Even right near the death last night, the Spanish forwards were still trying to play and create another chance. In similar circumstances, we'd have been lined up on the edge of our penalty area.

I genuinely felt prior to the game England may of edged it due to the tough ride La Roja had to the final beating Croatia,Italy, Germany and France .  As someone who loves international football probably more so than even clubs I always remember what Vicente Del Bosque said" football mirrors life". Similarly hearing Rodri in interview winning Euro 2024 'best feeling of my life'  or Harry Kane who would give all he has  won  in club football (individual I assume as well) for a national title with England .


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Well if Southgate does go, and I think he's will, then I hope we appoint an English manager. I just find it totally unbelievable that we have one of the best top flight leagues, some really good young footballers, an excellent FA structure and some posters want to appoint a foreign manager. If Germany, Spain ,France, Netherlands and Italy can employ home developed managers then we should be able to.


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How can you possible think Spain wern't that good ffs

They absolutely dominated England, and before Palmer scored, it should have been 3-0 to Spain.
They've beaten Croatia, Italy, Germany, France and now England, they've won 7 games in a row- be fair they've been excellent.

Spain have been without the talented Gavi, they lost Pedri, they lost Rodri at half time yesterday.
The much maligned Cucurella has been outstanding, Olmo also.

Whilst England were disappointing throughout the tournament, I think your doing Spain a great disservice  


I guess there's a difference in the best and actually being really good.  It's purely hypothetical and irrelevant but I think in most other tournaments this Spain side wouldn't win it.  I think that's what Golly means when he says they're not that good.

The standard of the teams in the tournament is pretty poor this time round, all in quite disappointing.  There's no argument that Spain were the best, no-one could argue that.  But I don't think they're great, just the best of a pretty mediocre bunch.  Again, they can only beat what's in front of them.
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I genuinely felt prior to the game England may of edged it due to the tough ride La Roja had to the final beating Croatia,Italy, Germany and France .  As someone who loves international football probably more so than even clubs I always remember what Vicente Del Bosque said" football mirrors life". Similarly hearing Rodri in interview winning Euro 2024 'best feeling of my life'  or Harry Kane who would give all he has  won  in club football (individual I assume as well) for a national title with England .


It must be individual as he's never won a trophy with club or country has he ?
Unless we count runners up medals
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