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May 17, 2024, 12:04pm

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Norwich sack manager after playoff defeat
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May 17, 2024, 12:21pm
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Blimey.

The thing I don't get about this is that, had they sneaked a 1-0 win last night (and made the play-off final) he'd still be in a job. So, in effect, he's been sacked for one bad defeat.

I'm not sure what clubs like Norwich and Hull think they should expect. Norwich scored 79 goals, the most in the division outside the top 4.

The three clubs that got relegated from the PL last season had a HUGE advantage over every other club through their parachute payments. Leeds aren't long out of the PL, and Ipswich surprised everyone, so really, Norwich being up there and in the play-offs is about as high as they could realistically expect.

I do wonder if Ipswich's promotion played a part in this decision. For the first time in a good while, Norwich are behind their rivals.


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More to this than initially appears.  Response from a lot of a Norwich fans here sum it up quite nicely.  Lack of alignment with the ethos of the ownership/sporting director and his football is/was turgid (although anyone who watched his Huddersfield side will know how he sets sides up, having Ashley Barnes as your attacking threat isn't exactly champagne football).

Not saying I agree with sacking a manager who finishes in the play-offs and gets knocked to a side that in most seasons would have gone up (with 90 points).  

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May 17, 2024, 3:27pm

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Everyone else can see how deluded other fans are, but none of us can see it in ourselves.

Exhibit A: Alan Buckley's final game in 2000 was a 1-1 draw at Portsmouth in the Championship. Many fans were delighted, although lots weren't.


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Be it Buckley or be it Wagner, it's always the context that matters.  Clearly there were other things at play, namely the new occupants in the boardroom at the time, but by August 2000 our football had become utter dross under Buckley.  The end to 99/00 was painful.

Selling Jack Lester and then Buckley falling out with Lee Ashcroft saw the season before just fall off a cliff from January onwards, 5 points and no wins from the final 11 games.  Only 3 goals in that spell too.  Summer recruitment that saw Paul Raven and Michael Jeffrey come in for the ever popular Mark Lever and Ashcroft/Lester didn't help either.  

Lennie had massive funds to throw it at and boy did he use them.  Even still we only just stayed up at the death.  Can guarantee that had Buckley stayed in charge, we would have gone down that season with a whimper.  I suspect he wouldn't have had the funds to play with that Lennie had though.
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Be it Buckley or be it Wagner, it's always the context that matters.  Clearly there were other things at play, namely the new occupants in the boardroom at the time, but by August 2000 our football had become utter dross under Buckley.  The end to 99/00 was painful.

Selling Jack Lester and then Buckley falling out with Lee Ashcroft saw the season before just fall off a cliff from January onwards, 5 points and no wins from the final 11 games.  Only 3 goals in that spell too.  Summer recruitment that saw Paul Raven and Michael Jeffrey come in for the ever popular Mark Lever and Ashcroft/Lester didn't help either.  

Lennie had massive funds to throw it at and boy did he use them.  Even still we only just stayed up at the death.  Can guarantee that had Buckley stayed in charge, we would have gone down that season with a whimper.  I suspect he wouldn't have had the funds to play with that Lennie had though.


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Everyone else can see how deluded other fans are, but none of us can see it in ourselves.

Exhibit A: Alan Buckley's final game in 2000 was a 1-1 draw at Portsmouth in the Championship. Many fans were delighted, although lots weren't.


Lee Nogan was apparently .

I will add a bit - Sir Alan was effectively playing like a lot of teams do now or at least want to , If I remember correctly by the end it became even more possession based (I'm sure big Artell would have loved it as we must have been completing over the 600 passes a game he craves ) 4-5-1 with Lee Nogan putting in a heavy shift up top by himself whicg he seemed to endure rather than enjoy weekly . The cry of 'get it forward ' from the main stand was never so strong as in that season .... we just didn't know how good we had it : Prosinecki , Merson , Duff , Tugay and all at BP at some point around that time with many more 'big names ' I can't currently remember .
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If anyone should have been sacked then it was their keeper, he was pretty hopeless.
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Lee Nogan was apparently .

I will add a bit - Sir Alan was effectively playing like a lot of teams do now or at least want to , If I remember correctly by the end it became even more possession based (I'm sure big Artell would have loved it as we must have been completing over the 600 passes a game he craves ) 4-5-1 with Lee Nogan putting in a heavy shift up top by himself whicg he seemed to endure rather than enjoy weekly . The cry of 'get it forward ' from the main stand was never so strong as in that season .... we just didn't know how good we had it : Prosinecki , Merson , Duff , Tugay and all at BP at some point around that time with many more 'big names ' I can't currently remember .


For all the talk of how Buckley had us playing now among fans, people sure did hate it at the time lol. I think it just proves that no matter who is in charge and how we play, the main stand is always the stand for the complainer. Still remember lots of complaints about tippy-tap football and triangle passes that don't go anywhere. Think Buckley was stitched up that summer though by a new board that wanted to put their own stamp on the team by bringing in their guy and giving him the resources. We spunked tons of money on recruitment but somehow had no money for Buckley that summer who had to settle for two poor signings on a free after being told to sell his best asset the previous season.

As for big names I remember a young Ashley Cole on the BP pitch long before he became a big superstar married to a pop star. There was a bit of buzz around him as a hot prospect while on loan at Crystal Palace and by the next season he'd be a first team player at Arsenal.  
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