Another 3 million quid issued in shares to their American investors .
Just to compete in league 1 .
I see why Jason 'got tetchy ' at the fans forum , would love to know how deep him and Pettit are in now , being left with BP in a state of disrepair ,tucked up by our former leader and then taking some flak from our less optimistic section of our fanbase .
Hell of a task
Tucked up might be wrong , I’d of expected JS and AP to of gone into this with their eyes firmly wide open? I’ve said before we are now a league 2 team now , when struggling we’ll dip in the conference, a great season will see us hit the play offs at best . It’s where we are after 20 years of neglect
Another 3 million quid issued in shares to their American investors .
Just to compete in league 1 .
I see why Jason 'got tetchy ' at the fans forum , would love to know how deep him and Pettit are in now , being left with BP in a state of disrepair ,tucked up by our former leader and then taking some flak from our less optimistic section of our fanbase .
Hell of a task
Interesting, that. It just so happens that their losses are projected to be £3m for the year too. Amazing coincidence.
People look at Lincoln as some beacon of football business utopia, but without these ‘investments’ they’d be knackered, despite gates of 8000 every home game.
Interesting, that. It just so happens that their losses are projected to be £3m for the year too. Amazing coincidence.
People look at Lincoln as some beacon of football business utopia, but without these ‘investments’ they’d be knackered, despite gates of 8000 every home game.
There's only so long that the investors will keep plugging these massive gaps in the finances, particularly if attendances keep dropping as quickly as they are doing (surprise surprise). They're 9th in League One and in the middle of their most sustained run of "success" since the 1950's but there were 2000 spare seats in the home end on Saturday. And thus far this season they're averaging 800 less per game than they were two seasons ago despite performing better than they did that season and currently being top half. Their away attendances are still pretty pathetic as well given where they are in the league system. Their last Saturday away game they only took to Wigan the same amount we took to Milton Keynes on a Tuesday night (which is a longer journey too). Plus we'd only won one game in about ten! Away attendances are generally a decent indicator of "hardcore" fan numbers and Lincoln's are staggeringly low as a percentage of their home attendances which isn't surprising given the high number of new fans and particularly families that are watching them.
Eventually there'll be a straw that breaks the camels back. Either they'll have a very poor season and the vast majority of the new fans (which is approximately 5000 of their regular 7500 at home games) will stop going or the funding will be cut leading to a poor season and get the same outcome. They'll eventually be back to their natural level and back to having less than 5000 at home games.
Eventually there'll be a straw that breaks the camels back. Either they'll have a very poor season and the vast majority of the new fans (which is approximately 5000 of their regular 7500 at home games) will stop going or the funding will be cut leading to a poor season and get the same outcome. They'll eventually be back to their natural level and back to having less than 5000 at home games.
It's ok trying to have a dig at Lincoln but that last paragraph could quite easily describe us. It's football....without massive, nigh on bottomless, investment most provincial football clubs have ups and downs, either striking lucky with a manager or a striker and elevating themselves above their natural status for a period, I have seen it early 80's and then again early 2000's with Buckley mk2. It's the circle of football life that about 80 out of 92 teams face to one extent or another.
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Personally, I can see both JS and AP being active in proper business circles in trying to encourage quality long term safe investment into the club.
These guys have both business acumen and high morals.
Both would be qualities needed to further cement a long term continual progression for facilities, any future stadium possibility, and higher level playing staff.
Chancers should not apply as I guess full vetting would be completed in a very thorough manner.
Personally, I can see both JS and AP being active in proper business circles in trying to encourage quality long term safe investment into the club.
These guys have both business acumen and high morals.
Both would be qualities needed to further cement a long term continual progression for facilities, any future stadium possibility, and higher level playing staff.
Chancers should not apply as I guess full vetting would be completed in a very thorough manner.
It's ok trying to have a dig at Lincoln but that last paragraph could quite easily describe us. It's football....without massive, nigh on bottomless, investment most provincial football clubs have ups and downs, either striking lucky with a manager or a striker and elevating themselves above their natural status for a period, I have seen it early 80's and then again early 2000's with Buckley mk2. It's the circle of football life that about 80 out of 92 teams face to one extent or another.
Of course all lower league clubs have ups and downs. But I would bet you can't find an example where short term success led to such a massive increase in attendances over such a short period of time as with Lincoln. Their attendances literally tripled over the space of a few months on the back of a great league campaign and an unprecedented cup run. Before that the city had turned it's back on the club and they struggled to get more than 2500 at home games. And, as we'll never let them forget, they brought less than 500 to a game at BP on a bank holiday not long before their success.
Conversely our attendances are up but not nearly to the same degree in percentage terms and they also didn't go up with any "success". We had more fans at home games from the off in the NL once Fenty had gone and still averaged higher than we had done in L2 during that horrific run of games where we couldn't buy a win. This was off the back of one of the worst seasons in the club's history too.
Lincoln's attendances are dropping even now with them being higher in the football pyramid than they've been for 40 years, you're telling me that the new glory-seeking fans will stick around when they have a relegation season? Some of them will but I suspect they'll see a big drop off in attendances quite quickly. Furthermore, if their attendances are dropping after their most successful spell in living memory but they're still losing money hand over fist just to stand still in L1 then as an investor you'd probably have to ask "what's the point?".
Lincoln will do a Scunny they must of last over 10 million in the last 3 seasons.
I don't think they'll do a Scunny because the money has been put in to the club in the form of shares being purchased rather than loaned to the club by nefarious individuals. However, if it's costing this much for them to just stay midtable in L1 and be losing 10% of their home attendances then eventually the investors will start lowering the budgets to reduce their losses.
It's ok trying to have a dig at Lincoln but that last paragraph could quite easily describe us. It's football....without massive, nigh on bottomless, investment most provincial football clubs have ups and downs, either striking lucky with a manager or a striker and elevating themselves above their natural status for a period, I have seen it early 80's and then again early 2000's with Buckley mk2. It's the circle of football life that about 80 out of 92 teams face to one extent or another.
I think the day will have to come soon where football players will have to accept a lot less in wages. I think once the top six leave for whichever super league gets going it’ll at least give the rest of the remaining clubs more realistic ambitions. We probably won’t have clubs like Brentford and Luton with a wage bill in the 100s of millions and all the other clubs further down the leagues will reduce accordingly.
Our club is probably in a lot worse state than many others as the infrastructure needs a lot spending on it too .
I noticed how their away followings have plummeted - 350 to Cambridge the other midweek, we count that distance as a local derby.
I’m not sure whether their home “ attendances” are tickets sold or the actual crowd like ours. Their ST numbers are about the same as ours. They have more away fans visiting SB but if they declare real attendances then they must have a lot better utilisation by their STH than we do. A £3 million loss is a scary number whichever.
I see why Jason 'got tetchy ' at the fans forum , would love to know how deep him and Pettit are in now , being left with BP in a state of disrepair ,tucked up by our former leader and then taking some flak from the less optimistic section of our fanbase.
I’m sure Jason & Andrew did all the correct due diligence when they bought the club. They must have known what they were buying. They can’t really complain now. It can’t be a surprise that BP is falling apart at the seams around them.
I imagine any frustration might be with their own failure to find suitable people to come on board as additional co-owners to lighten the financial burden on them both.
I noticed how their away followings have plummeted - 350 to Cambridge the other midweek, we count that distance as a local derby.
I’m not sure whether their home “ attendances” are tickets sold or the actual crowd like ours. Their ST numbers are about the same as ours. They have more away fans visiting SB but if they declare real attendances then they must have a lot better utilisation by their STH than we do. A £3 million loss is a scary number whichever.
They’ve always had terrible support to be honest , they seem to have been able to get fans to attend at the Bank for the last few years but this hasn’t been backed up with their away support .
I can remember them bringing 400 on a Boxing Day one year which kind of says it all. Even at our lowest we always sold all our tickets for our local games
I’m sure Jason & Andrew did all the correct due diligence when they bought the club. They must have known what they were buying. They can’t really complain now. It can’t be a surprise that BP is falling apart at the seams around them.
I imagine any frustration might be with their own failure to find suitable people to come on board as additional co-owners to lighten the financial burden on them both.
I don't know a good analogy might be a second hand car - you can look under the bonnet and everything looks fine , the seller tells you his good lady will run forever , but then a few months later something goes that the new owner didn't know about followed by many other problems .
I agree on the second paragraph though ,he touched on it at the forum - selling investors (legitimate, not wrong uns) something that isn't going to make them anything financially is a hard sell (unless there are some multi millionaire town fans out there somewhere ) it's probably a lot more difficult than they thought it would be and they are having to put in more £££££ than they thought they would for no return ; and as Stockwood pointed out it's a unique business in that the better you do the more it costs/you lose .
They must have a limit as to what they are willing to put in surely .
I would be interested as to how Lincoln managed to recruit all of these outside American investors - maybe they have sold them the dream of going right through ?
What are the US investors hoping to achieve? I assume it’s not simply a vanity project so what is the endgame? Get into the Championship and then sell on for a profit?
In that case they would need someone willing to part with over ten million to acquire an unsustainable club with a small fan base requiring regular six figure cash injections.
What are the US investors hoping to achieve? I assume it’s not simply a vanity project so what is the endgame? Get into the Championship and then sell on for a profit?
In that case they would need someone willing to part with over ten million to acquire an unsustainable club with a small fan base requiring regular six figure cash injections.
I just don’t get it. Anyone got an ideas?
To do a Luton and go right through gradually Ron I think
Look at Swann at our neighbours wanting take them right through , and how that ended .
I don't think that will happen at Lincoln tbf but I can't see them getting to the Champ and eventually drop a little bit when the more heavily bankrolled clubs end up in league 1 .
Same as many others will chase the dream , a one in a million chance .
That's always my question when it comes to Lincoln and their investors, what's the drive behind investment?
Not a chance in hell they're investing for the good of it, nor should they either. It'll be the same when 1878 bring outside investment into the club, whoever is investing money in the set-up will want a return on it at some point.
Will player sales bring that? Probably not.
If Lincoln get to the Championship, does that make them sellable enough to recoup in excess of £10million? Or probably a better question would be how much more investment do they need just to get to the Championship. Luton went through but to my knowledge they're not funded by outside investment. Luton are historically a far, far bigger club than Lincoln with a far more established fanbase. Their worst season was a 7th place in the Conference (12/13) yet they still average 5800 at home games that season. Whilst Lincoln have averaged better than that for the last 5 seasons, the last time they bettered it was 1977. The same season Luton only got 5800 coming through their gate, Lincoln averaged 2100 in the same league.
I'm not close enough to say it's sustainable or not, I don't think any of us are. I don't think a slight drop-off this season in gates is an indicator that the bubble has burst. Nor do I think their away followings are either, they've never travelled well and ultimately how many fans you take on the road has intercourse all input financially to your club. But from the outside looking in, it doesn't look like a model that can take them any further than this position of trying but not quite breaking into those promotion challengers in League One.
If I was a Lincoln fan I would be a little nervous that the position is very dependent on ongoing investment, but those investments keep coming and coming...
This is just a very rough calculation, basically based on not much, and assuming each club has a squad of 20 players plus manager, any assistants other coaches admin staff etc would all be additional.
Premiership, average weekly wage, £80k = £87 million plus a year. Championship, average weekly wage £20k =£21 million plus a year League 1, average weekly wage £5k = £5 million plus a year League 2, average weekly wage £1500 = £1.6 million plus a year
Therefore it’s purely tv money that is allowing clubs to pay the wages they do, and could town afford promotion without additional investors coming on board, considering that Blundell Park is nearly full now. Obviously the above figures do not show income, gate receipts tv money etc.
I think any club that is having significant sums pumped into it has a right to get nervous once it stops progressing at the current level of investment. Lincoln require £3m a year to finish mid-table in League One. The King's Lynn owner is now begging for investment and saying he won't plug the £300k gap in the finances this season. They are full-time with crowds of 800 in the NLN, and currently 21st. The original club, King's Lynn FC folded in 2010 after getting kicked out of the NLN for their ground not meeting requirements following promotion the previous year. I don't think there is interest in King's Lynn for a full-time team, but their owner has pumped money in, taken them to the NL, got relegated, almost got promoted last season, and now it's tough, he's spitting his dummy out. It happens all of the time and I do wonder when the Lincoln investors decide they aren't going to cover the losses anymore.
The bonkers thing at Lincoln, is that their fans are more concerned about the number of supporters watching games at home for free on dodgy sticks, than they are about the £3million pa losses. And the amount of revenue not being gained because of dodgy sticks, is a real slither and thin end of the wedge when it comes to their accumulated losses.
The bonkers thing at Lincoln, is that their fans are more concerned about the number of supporters watching games at home for free on dodgy sticks, than they are about the £3million pa losses. And the amount of revenue not being gained because of dodgy sticks, is a real slither and thin end of the wedge when it comes to their accumulated losses.
Yeah I read that and found it a strange argument to be honest it's hardly going to bridge a 3 million pound shortfall is it .
They have fell for the smokescreen I would suggest and are bickering about it .
That's always my question when it comes to Lincoln and their investors, what's the drive behind investment?
Not a chance in hell they're investing for the good of it, nor should they either. It'll be the same when 1878 bring outside investment into the club, whoever is investing money in the set-up will want a return on it at some point.
Will player sales bring that? Probably not.
If Lincoln get to the Championship, does that make them sellable enough to recoup in excess of £10million? Or probably a better question would be how much more investment do they need just to get to the Championship. Luton went through but to my knowledge they're not funded by outside investment. Luton are historically a far, far bigger club than Lincoln with a far more established fanbase. Their worst season was a 7th place in the Conference (12/13) yet they still average 5800 at home games that season. Whilst Lincoln have averaged better than that for the last 5 seasons, the last time they bettered it was 1977. The same season Luton only got 5800 coming through their gate, Lincoln averaged 2100 in the same league.
I'm not close enough to say it's sustainable or not, I don't think any of us are. I don't think a slight drop-off this season in gates is an indicator that the bubble has burst. Nor do I think their away followings are either, they've never travelled well and ultimately how many fans you take on the road has intercourse all input financially to your club. But from the outside looking in, it doesn't look like a model that can take them any further than this position of trying but not quite breaking into those promotion challengers in League One.
If I was a Lincoln fan I would be a little nervous that the position is very dependent on ongoing investment, but those investments keep coming and coming...
I am not sure if you are just being negative because it is Lincoln or not, but the population has grown by 30k in 20 years in Lincoln and continues to grow, so I think crowds, whilst lower this year have remained stable and may well do so. I don't think it is just because we are not playing that well that crowds have dipped, the economic climate will play a part. Lincoln is also a growing city, that has significant investment and lower crime so is an attractive place currently. I personally think the football club have seen this and tried to grow with it - With some success, and changes to the ground/pitch and training facilities which put us on an even keel with a lot of L1 clubs.
As for investment and going down the same root as Scunthorpe, I think that must be a joke - we will be nothing like them, we might dip to L2 occasionally, and flirt with the championship at times, but we are in safe hands. Investment is in shares, and Clive appears to be careful with who invests in the club - The Jabara family seem to be in for the long haul, so whilst I see some on here wanting us to go pop, I think we will be fine.
Football wise, losing all our forwards to injury has been a freak, with Tyler Walker now ruled out for the season we have had some awful luck, so to be 9th I think we have done well, albeit it is a dull watch scoring a goal a game. However, I much prefer watching Derby away Thursday, and Bolton at home Boxing day than watching some of L2's fixtures. No being salty here towards Grimsby, I think Artell is a decent appointment - Your owners are good too, but if you think you are going to sail past us, without Millions of wise investment I think you are mistaken. I actually wish you good fortune, I like Lincolnshire clubs being in the league and doing well, so long as were doing the best!
The bonkers thing at Lincoln, is that their fans are more concerned about the number of supporters watching games at home for free on dodgy sticks, than they are about the £3million pa losses. And the amount of revenue not being gained because of dodgy sticks, is a real slither and thin end of the wedge when it comes to their accumulated losses.
You're right, but I was surprised when it was quoted at between 150-200k.
From everything I know from Imp supporting mates is that the American guys are genuinely into supporting the club and their South African Chairman, Clive Nate’s, is a smart cookie and it’s him that has attracted the investment and only surprise seems to be that one of the American investors was supposedly going to take over as Chairman last summer but for some reason this didn’t happen.
Personally I think their crowds have stayed up pretty well as I know, much like ourselves, their performances and results in home matches has not been great and believe they still have over 6000 season ticket holders and an expanded ground capacity so they can have crowds of 12000 plus. In relation to the ground they are in a much better position than us to expand and/or replace or redevelop stands not yet touched. Plus the City Council is willing to let them build a new ground should they want in the now started western corridor which will see another 3500 homes built between the bypass and city centre. Lincoln’s current ground and surrounding area is also much better placed than BP to be turned into an area of housing.
To me their situation just demonstrates how financially difficult it is to progress up the football ladder and makes me wonder how we are going to manage given the state of our ground which is ultimately going to restrict the number of fans who can attend.
Love us to be back above them but think we are a little way of achieving this and don’t believe their demise is as imminent as some may have suggested in this thread. Don’t mind being wrong though.
I like Lincolnshire clubs being in the league and doing well, so long as were doing the best!
But you're not including Scunny in that, surely.....you, us and Boston playing each other would be fine but we all want Scunny to be 2 divisions lower.
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Well what a load of balderdash you all speak ! You have a ground thats a dump,apart from one stand thats a weird construction ! I dont know how you all think your going to progress up the leagues without investment ,we have approximately 50 partners in the club plus some wealthy usa/south african investors.We have been investing in our structure for the last few years ground and players,whilst you have rotted away .
Please tell me how your going to progress up a division or 2 because your currently in the bottom 3rd of league 2 going nowhere.You aint going anywhere near the championship let alone league anytime soon without significant money ! UTI
Of course all lower league clubs have ups and downs. But I would bet you can't find an example where short term success led to such a massive increase in attendances over such a short period of time as with Lincoln. Their attendances literally tripled over the space of a few months on the back of a great league campaign and an unprecedented cup run. Before that the city had turned it's back on the club and they struggled to get more than 2500 at home games. And, as we'll never let them forget, they brought less than 500 to a game at BP on a bank holiday not long before their success.
Conversely our attendances are up but not nearly to the same degree in percentage terms and they also didn't go up with any "success". We had more fans at home games from the off in the NL once Fenty had gone and still averaged higher than we had done in L2 during that horrific run of games where we couldn't buy a win. This was off the back of one of the worst seasons in the club's history too.
Lincoln's attendances are dropping even now with them being higher in the football pyramid than they've been for 40 years, you're telling me that the new glory-seeking fans will stick around when they have a relegation season? Some of them will but I suspect they'll see a big drop off in attendances quite quickly. Furthermore, if their attendances are dropping after their most successful spell in living memory but they're still losing money hand over fist just to stand still in L1 then as an investor you'd probably have to ask "what's the point?".
The City of Lincoln has also had plenty of development and financial investment along with growing University campus in very recent times. You could argue that historic Lincoln City didnt harness the potential support , their old board maybe like our old boards more "wealthy locals" rather than mega rich, their new board struck lucky (or did their due diligence superbly) with the Cowleys , the new board are better motivated and smarter at bringing in investment and they fully harnessed the promotion/ cup run interest and got in extra bums , but yes , "new" support still wants feeding success otherwise it loses interest and will drop off if it doesnt get hooked on either the team or the matchday experience.
From my own town watching career ,in the eighties we went from 10k average to 5k average over 5/6 seasons and then down to 3/4 k average which i think coincided with two promotions to new higher level and then a tail off as we ground to a halt and then went backwards.
Would be interesting to know the different social economic comparisons for both areas as that will also paint a picture.
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You have " northseamariner" ! You need significant investment /investors ( a loose term in football as nobody makes money apart from premiershite club owners) . Theres no doubt fenty has held you back big time ,as he didnt have the nouse to get grants to develop your ground like we did. Our owners have stated our aim is the championship and we are putting things in place on and off the pitch to do that! The 2 sets of american owners are genuinely involved because they want to be not to make money ,investors is a stupid term in football.
Unless Jason and Andrew are billionaires i would bet you will get nowhere the bonkers championship ( preston i believe loose £12+million a year) wages.
You have " northseamariner" ! You need significant investment /investors ( a loose term in football as nobody makes money apart from premiershite club owners) . Theres no doubt fenty has held you back big time ,as he didnt have the nouse to get grants to develop your ground like we did. Our owners have stated our aim is the championship and we are putting things in place on and off the pitch to do that! The 2 sets of american owners are genuinely involved because they want to be not to make money ,investors is a stupid term in football.
Unless Jason and Andrew are billionaires i would bet you will get nowhere the bonkers championship ( preston i believe loose £12+million a year) wages.
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I dont disagree with that. We are a million miles from the Championship. We have a section of fans who are stuck 25 years ago. The ground is a dump, We’ve been a basket case of a club for 16/17of the last 20 years.
Jason and Andrew are good guys. But we havent the capital to compete at the highest end, Not without significant investment from elsewhere
Well what a load of balderdash you all speak ! You have a ground thats a dump,apart from one stand thats a weird construction ! I dont know how you all think your going to progress up the leagues without investment ,we have approximately 50 partners in the club plus some wealthy usa/south african investors.We have been investing in our structure for the last few years ground and players,whilst you have rotted away .
Please tell me how your going to progress up a division or 2 because your currently in the bottom 3rd of league 2 going nowhere.You aint going anywhere near the championship let alone league anytime soon without significant money ! UTI
I agree and disagree - I think any club in league 2 have a punchers chance of getting out , especially when the heavily bankrolled clubs go up (Stockport , Mansfield and Wrexham probably this season ) which will make it a slightly easier league , at least financially .
It seems the gap up to league 1 is pretty drastic though and investment is a must for anything but a relegation fight .
My main point of the original post was to highlight how much it is taking to compete and try to move forward in league one and also show how much our owners have put in just to get out of the NL and compete in league 2 and make some improvements to the ground which is maybe 3 million in 3 years probably closer to 5 and how it doesn't seem right that even lower league /non league football is so unsustainable rather than a mammary for tat about Town and Lincoln , not my place .
Did we crow/Lord it over the other Lincolnshire clubs whist we were top dog for the vast part of our history? I suppose had social media and forums been around we would have.
Football has changed, and it has taken a long time to catch on due to having a terrible owner but we can easily match Lincoln and most clubs in leagues 1 and 2. These things are cyclical and no doubt our time will come again and when it does it will have been worth waiting for.
Lincoln are one division above us so I don't think they should have visions of grandeur.
Yes it will take considerable (careful) investment to crack on but the owners will surely know that and are making plans.
Lincoln are where they are because they have found investors willing to pump millions of pounds a year in. They are not alone in that. Which means that it's almost impossible to compete at the top even at L1 and L2 level without some such funding.
Yes, there are exceptions now and then. But the simple fact is that the best players will go where they are paid best. That means the cost of having a competitive squad is likely to be unaffordable for clubs who attempt to stick within their normal income. Of course this is all well and good as long as the investors are happy to continue chucking money down the bottomless pit but, as we have seen countless times, the brown stuff really hits the fan (and the fans!) when they have had enough.
From everything I know from Imp supporting mates is that the American guys are genuinely into supporting the club and their South African Chairman, Clive Nate’s, is a smart cookie and it’s him that has attracted the investment and only surprise seems to be that one of the American investors was supposedly going to take over as Chairman last summer but for some reason this didn’t happen.
Personally I think their crowds have stayed up pretty well as I know, much like ourselves, their performances and results in home matches has not been great and believe they still have over 6000 season ticket holders and an expanded ground capacity so they can have crowds of 12000 plus. In relation to the ground they are in a much better position than us to expand and/or replace or redevelop stands not yet touched. Plus the City Council is willing to let them build a new ground should they want in the now started western corridor which will see another 3500 homes built between the bypass and city centre. Lincoln’s current ground and surrounding area is also much better placed than BP to be turned into an area of housing.
To me their situation just demonstrates how financially difficult it is to progress up the football ladder and makes me wonder how we are going to manage given the state of our ground which is ultimately going to restrict the number of fans who can attend.
Love us to be back above them but think we are a little way of achieving this and don’t believe their demise is as imminent as some may have suggested in this thread. Don’t mind being wrong though.
Didn't they ditch the capacity increase though due to Covid and operating costs(losses) and downgraded to building some sort of community hub (which is good in intself tbf) at the back of the stand they were gearing up to expand , so there capacity is still around 10k for the short to medium term ?
We can easily match lincoln!?! Please tell me how ? Your support is good ,no doubt there but your ground is shite and lets be honest your infrastructure is also and wont change for many years .If you can knock 2/3 sides down and rebuild them then you will easily compete with us and our 10800 capacity and then you need income from boxes etc etc.You probably could compete in wages as our top wages arent massive ! We have a youth policy thats about to bear fruition of the investment over the last few years.Your light years away from competing/sustaining league 1 football im afraid let alone your rightful championship place! Haha
To compare us to Scunny is quite ludicrous. Re the americans ! The Jabbara family are multi multi millionaires ,im not sure if a billionaire and its a hard question to ask but they have genuinely fallen in love with the club and arent walking away anytime soon A million quid has just been put in by them ! I dont know to much about the other americans but im told they have substantial funds and are also in for the long term with us! Nobody is leaving us in the lurch any day very soon and our overspend is wiped out every year in the form of shares.
"UTIs are usually caused by bacteria from poo entering the urinary tract".
Not my words, but those surfaced by Google via our wonderful NHS. One of the more left-field reasons I've heard for celebrating one's football team of choice, but I'm certainly not going to give you stick for it; after all, you've got poo entering your urinary tract. You poor sód.
One more thing re the second group of investors they looked at about 200 clubs in europe and realised we are different as 99% wanted there money and no involvement in running the club ! We make them bring there business skills etc to our club.
Keiran Maguire a football finance expert believes we are one of the best run clubs in this country ,so sorry if anybody thinks we are going to implode anytime soon.
I do worry about the losses as i was involved in the club when we nearly went bust @2000s however like everybody else i believe in our owners who wont let us down im 150% sure!
See you in league 1 next year or the year after ! ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE.
What is Sincil Bank like nowadays? When we played there last it was an archetypal lower league ground,so it has not suddenly been transformed into the Amex has it?
We can easily match lincoln!?! Please tell me how ? Your support is good ,no doubt there but your ground is shite and lets be honest your infrastructure is also and wont change for many years .If you can knock 2/3 sides down and rebuild them then you will easily compete with us and our 10800 capacity and then you need income from boxes etc etc.
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We've obviously touched a nerve.
What good is your extra capacity if you're not even close to filling it? Not been close to selling out the home end in the league this season despite being top half. Your attendances are down quite significantly on your last season in L2 and that's before taking into account that you're no doubt getting significantly higher average away attendances in L1 to compensate for some of the fans who have stopped going. What will happen when you have a legitimately bad season?
There's really not much stopping Town from getting to League 1 and sustaining that level. Other smaller clubs are showing the way and gaining League 1 statis. And that's where Lincoln are pretty much stuck. A Lincoln supporting colleague of mine is a little dubious of the setup, Appleton and Kennedy were both very ready to move on, suggestions that Jez George and other staff are a little too powerful in the running of things. I'd be more than happy if we get promotion obviously but I'd be immensely proud to achieve it under a board of Grimsby folk who are also ardent fans compared to a bunch of Americans and an Everton supporting Sth African.
It's hilarious being schooled by an Imp, because they have spent a couple of years in League 1.
Doesn't seem that long ago they would have struggled to fill one stand, and now they are the champions of Lincolnshire, that well known hot bed of massive footballing heritage.
Look at us, halfway up League 1. Take that Gy, Boston, Gainsborough and Scunny.
What good is your extra capacity if you're not even close to filling it? Not been close to selling out the home end in the league this season despite being top half. Your attendances are down quite significantly on your last season in L2 and that's before taking into account that you're no doubt getting significantly higher average away attendances in L1 to compensate for some of the fans who have stopped going. What will happen when you have a legitimately bad season?
Its only an extra 1500 seats more than BP anyway you would think the range is Nou Camp V BP the way some of them are going on . They are not filling 2500 of them anyhow .
It's hilarious being schooled by an Imp, because they have spent a couple of years in League 1.
Doesn't seem that long ago they would have struggled to fill one stand, and now they are the champions of Lincolnshire, that well known hot bed of massive footballing heritage.
Look at us, halfway up League 1. Take that Gy, Boston, Gainsborough and Scunny.
So Lincoln should get back in in their box and stop showing any ambition . How predicable you are.
Stupid we turned our back on relocation. Chance won’t come again without a sugar daddy.
Interesting to hear AP stated in a podcast they were privy to the 10 year BP status report when buying the club.
You would have thought buying GTFC was a dream, according to the accounts it was sustainable, no profitable, with no outside debt and 800k in the bank. Few players on the books (a mangers dream). Playing assets soon to be sold for next to nowt. Relocation options, fish docks / freeman street. Fans backing.
Yet JS stated at the begining that BP had potential as the ground was not full every week and the club must be sustainable.
Sounds to me like the buyer was made aware and they should have a plan. Or at least I hope they do have one.
Stupid we turned our back on relocation. Chance won’t come again without a sugar daddy.
Interesting to hear AP stated in a podcast they were privy to the 10 year BP status report when buying the club.
You would have thought buying GTFC was a dream, according to the accounts it was sustainable, no profitable, with no outside debt and 800k in the bank. Few players on the books (a mangers dream). Playing assets soon to be sold for next to nowt. Relocation options, fish docks / freeman street. Fans backing.
Yet JS stated at the begining that BP had potential as the ground was not full every week and the club must be sustainable.
Sounds to me like the buyer was made aware and they should have a plan. Or at least I hope they do have one.
I suppose people felt "that boat has sailed" numerous times over the generations regarding various things, but the sun always comes up and undoubtedly there will be opportunities in the future for us to move/improve and take advantage of new situations as they arise.
We have to believe better days are ahead for the club to keep everyone motivated.
Stupid we turned our back on relocation. Chance won’t come again without a sugar daddy.
Interesting to hear AP stated in a podcast they were privy to the 10 year BP status report when buying the club.
You would have thought buying GTFC was a dream, according to the accounts it was sustainable, no profitable, with no outside debt and 800k in the bank. Few players on the books (a mangers dream). Playing assets soon to be sold for next to nowt. Relocation options, fish docks / freeman street. Fans backing.
Yet JS stated at the begining that BP had potential as the ground was not full every week and the club must be sustainable.
Sounds to me like the buyer was made aware and they should have a plan. Or at least I hope they do have one.
I'm not sure they were privvy to the 10 year audit , and if they were the amount of work required from it was a shock ; on the DN35 podcast interview that's the impression I got anyway . Is there another inteview with Pettit?
I suppose people felt "that boat has sailed" numerous times over the generations regarding various things, but the sun always comes up and undoubtedly there will be opportunities in the future for us to move/improve and take advantage of new situations as they arise.
We have to believe better days are ahead for the club to keep everyone motivated.
It's better now isn't it ?
No false promises , a relatively stable club with a goal to continually improve . I think we have it quite good really .
I think things will continue to improve in a gradual fashion what that looks like in 10 years time who know's , but I think we will be in a much better spot than 2023 for sure .
I'm not sure they were privvy to the 10 year audit , and if they were the amount of work required from it was a shock ; on the DN35 podcast interview that's the impression I got anyway . Is there another inteview with Pettit?
Everything is a shock. It fits the poor weee narrative and fuels the fans. And yes Andrew confirmed they were given the document.
I think any club that is having significant sums pumped into it has a right to get nervous once it stops progressing at the current level of investment. Lincoln require £3m a year to finish mid-table in League One. The King's Lynn owner is now begging for investment and saying he won't plug the £300k gap in the finances this season. They are full-time with crowds of 800 in the NLN, and currently 21st. The original club, King's Lynn FC folded in 2010 after getting kicked out of the NLN for their ground not meeting requirements following promotion the previous year. I don't think there is interest in King's Lynn for a full-time team, but their owner has pumped money in, taken them to the NL, got relegated, almost got promoted last season, and now it's tough, he's spitting his dummy out. It happens all of the time and I do wonder when the Lincoln investors decide they aren't going to cover the losses anymore.
I know someone who’s well informed at KLT and Stephen Cleave is skint. It’s not that he doesn’t want to continue bankrolling the club. It’s simply that he no longer has the money to.
I applaud the Lincoln fans for thinking their club is financially ok, surely if a sugar daddy is having to pump in £3 million a year just to standstill, it should be a concern. If I had a shop and it was losing £80 grand a year it wouldn’t be long before it was closed.
Stupid we turned our back on relocation. Chance won’t come again without a sugar daddy.
Interesting to hear AP stated in a podcast they were privy to the 10 year BP status report when buying the club.
You would have thought buying GTFC was a dream, according to the accounts it was sustainable, no profitable, with no outside debt and 800k in the bank. Few players on the books (a mangers dream). Playing assets soon to be sold for next to nowt. Relocation options, fish docks / freeman street. Fans backing.
Yet JS stated at the beginning that BP had potential as the ground was not full every week and the club must be sustainable.
Sounds to me like the buyer was made aware and they should have a plan. Or at least I hope they do have one.
The fact they we don't fill BP week in week out so we don't need a new ground is a pretty poor argument. However I do understand the need to concentrate on other areas of the football club first. But a long term future will require a new ground. 4K plus attendance at the roads and streets are gridlocked, the ground has poor facilities and can't be improved significantly to make it a long term viable option to take the club forward. It's a dump but all we have at the moment. Teams like Rotherham, Hull, Shrewsbury, Colchester, MK Dons (sort of), Boston, York, Chesterfield to name a few didn't fill their grounds and they seemed to have the ambition to move and improve the fan experience. Attendances will increase because of this and then it's up to the management and players to keep them there and increase attendances further.
The fact they we don't fill BP week in week out so we don't need a new ground is pretty poor argument. However I do understand the need to concentrate on other areas of the football club first. But a long term future will require a new ground. 4K plus attendance at the roads and streets are gridlocked, the ground has poor facilities and can't be improved significantly to make it a long term viable option to take the club forward. It's a dump but all we have at the moment. Teams like Rotherham, Hull, Shrewsbury, Colchester, MK Dons (sort of), Boston, York, Chesterfield to name a few didn't fill their grounds and they seemed to have the ambition to move and improve the fan experience. Attendances will increase because of this and then it's up to the management and players to keep them there and increase attendances further.
Over half of your examples for me at least underpin why we should look to enhance BP and try to find a way to increase capacity there with better facilities /commercial opportunities - impressed with stadium MK but oversized , only possible because of a giant retail park /Winklefella , Chesterfield pretty poor for me , Boston ok but tiny and out in a village with a Greggs and burger king as food choices, no bars other than in the ground . York not upto much as far as a football stadium goes and has a weird variation of coloured seats ; Colchester the worst of the lot and a long walk from the town with nothing close by at all .
Rotherham I like and the KC was good I'm sure that's showing it's age now though as I have not been for 15 years ?
I still think there is room for the old traditional stadiums and some clubs are redeveloping grounds in tight areas - Pompey , Fulham ,Exeter ,Wrexham and Stockport all rebuilding to some degree ; it can be done but exactly like a new ground obviously costs a hell of a lot of ££££££ .
Over half of your examples for me at least underpin why we should look to enhance BP and try to find a way to increase capacity there with better facilities /commercial opportunities - impressed with stadium MK but oversized , only possible because of a giant retail park /Winklefella , Chesterfield pretty poor for me , Boston ok but tiny and out in a village with a Greggs and burger king as food choices, no bars other than in the ground . York not upto much as far as a football stadium goes and has a weird variation of coloured seats ; Colchester the worst of the lot and a long walk from the town with nothing close by at all .
Rotherham I like and the KC was good I'm sure that's showing it's age now though as I have not been for 15 years ?
I still think there is room for the old traditional stadiums and some clubs are redeveloping grounds in tight areas - Pompey , Fulham ,Exeter ,Wrexham and Stockport all rebuilding to some degree ; it can be done but exactly like a new ground obviously costs a hell of a lot of ££££££ .
I agree with your descriptions of some of the grounds and not what I would want if we ever went for a new home. That wasn't my point though, just examples of clubs who didn't pack their grounds out (some far from it) but they moved to try and take their club forward. I would assume the maintenance costs of running those grounds is significantly lower than trying to maintain an older ground and keep it up to standards to allow them to operate. Older grounds are romantic and part of the football heritage in this country, that doesn't mean we should keep them.
Blundell Park for me can't be improved drastically to make it viable long term. Surrounded three sides with terraced housing and a road/railway line the other. Any expansion (if that was possible) would cause even more traffic, parking and pedestrian issues in the surrounding area. There have been new grounds muted over a long period of time but none of come to fruition for various reasons. There have been good reasons why we should move and they still apply. As Andrew Pettit said at the forum any new ground would have to incorporate many areas of use aside football to make it financially viable to run. It's not top of the shopping list for the club at the moment but long term we go nowhere staying at BP as a club, attracting players or new fans for that matter.
I agree with your descriptions of some of the grounds and not what I would want if we ever went for a new home. That wasn't my point though, just examples of clubs who didn't pack their grounds out (some far from it) but they moved to try and take their club forward. I would assume the maintenance costs of running those grounds is significantly lower than trying to maintain an older ground and keep it up to standards to allow them to operate. Older grounds are romantic and part of the football heritage in this county, that doesn't mean we should keep them.
Blundell Park for me can't be improved drastically to make it viable long term. Surrounded three sides with terraced housing and a road/railway line the other. Any expansion (if that was possible) would cause even more traffic, parking and pedestrian issues in the surrounding area. There have been new grounds muted over a long period of time but none of come to fruition for various reasons. There have been good reasons why we should move and they still apply. As Andrew Pettit said at the forum any new ground would have to incorporate many areas of use aside football to make it financially viable to run. It's not top of the shopping list for the club at the moment but long term we go nowhere staying at BP as a club, attracting players or new fans for that matter.
But where are we going to get the £40 Mil+ from to build the ground?
But where are we going to get the £40 Mil+ from to build the ground?
Most of the aforementioned clubs managed it by the owners being smart…….
It’s a a good point - we’d need £40m-plus, no doubt, but others have managed.
Blundell Park isn’t good enough now, and it’s only gonna get worse. I suspect it will be the one issue that encourages JS and AP to get the hell out of dodge at some point, and that’s not a criticism of them, it’s just gonna be tough getting the funding.
Blundell Park should have been demolished in the 20th century, and we’re already 23 years into the next one now!
For what it’s worth, and I admit it, I have zero clue what the solution is.
I am not sure if you are just being negative because it is Lincoln or not, but the population has grown by 30k in 20 years in Lincoln and continues to grow, so I think crowds, whilst lower this year have remained stable and may well do so. I don't think it is just because we are not playing that well that crowds have dipped, the economic climate will play a part. Lincoln is also a growing city, that has significant investment and lower crime so is an attractive place currently. I personally think the football club have seen this and tried to grow with it - With some success, and changes to the ground/pitch and training facilities which put us on an even keel with a lot of L1 clubs.
As for investment and going down the same root as Scunthorpe, I think that must be a joke - we will be nothing like them, we might dip to L2 occasionally, and flirt with the championship at times, but we are in safe hands. Investment is in shares, and Clive appears to be careful with who invests in the club - The Jabara family seem to be in for the long haul, so whilst I see some on here wanting us to go pop, I think we will be fine.
Football wise, losing all our forwards to injury has been a freak, with Tyler Walker now ruled out for the season we have had some awful luck, so to be 9th I think we have done well, albeit it is a dull watch scoring a goal a game. However, I much prefer watching Derby away Thursday, and Bolton at home Boxing day than watching some of L2's fixtures. No being salty here towards Grimsby, I think Artell is a decent appointment - Your owners are good too, but if you think you are going to sail past us, without Millions of wise investment I think you are mistaken. I actually wish you good fortune, I like Lincolnshire clubs being in the league and doing well, so long as were doing the best!
Anyway Merry Xmas!!
Not negative at all.
You can cut the numbers anyway you want really. The population of NEL has decreased in the last 10 years yet attendances have increased considerably, that's without any real success. There's no two ways about it, the club are in the same position they were 19 years ago and no amount of promotions from the fifth tier will wash with anyone over the age of 25/30 as 'success'. Anyone over that age grew up with Town more than capable of operating at the third and second tiers. Rightly or wrongly that is their standard and benchmark, as ridiculous as it sounds in the modern game.
Lincoln is clearly a growing city, as evidenced by the fact it's flipping impossible to get to anywhere at anything other than snail pace, but your attendance has only increased on the back of quite considerable success in terms of reaching a level very few of your fan base will have seen, certainly for a sustained period anyway. Potentially I would say Town could get more fans in if both clubs were operating at the same level. The key word is could. Our ground wouldn't allow it and potential is worth jaff all without the ability to convert it into something.
Back to you and your investors though, the question for me is still why? Why on earth would anyone pump money into a club for the sake of it. You don't make money from football and the ramblings of your Sincil Bank friend just scream 'it'll be ok because they said it will'. There has to be a reason they're involved.
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“Again, it was a pure football investment. So many of the investments we looked at were simply were ‘here’s a real estate opportunity around a stadium’, or ‘we’re trying to do a major enhancement around our venue’ and ‘we have a football club too but let’s talk about this real estate investment’.
“But we probably have enough real estate investments in the US. We probably don’t need to go to the UK for a real estate investment.
“We’re going to the UK because that’s where the best football in the world is made.
They're the words of Harvey Jabara, your US bankroller. It's a football investment. So they feel the football club itself has something they can invest it and get a return on. That means they eventually think someone is going to come in and give them a return on their investment. I've seen a quote from Jabara where he says stuff about long-term, not flipping his investment etc. If that's the case then he's not really investing is he, it's throwing money away with the knowledge that he isn't getting anything back on it...which is fine. So why constantly use the term 'investment'.
How much have his family invested in the club and then add a good percentage onto that for a return. Do you think anyone is going to buy his shares for that value? This probably is the negative bit but it just doesn't add up to me. I will be as cautious when 1878 come to getting outside investment in here and ask the question of what is it going to cost us in the long run.
I've not got any issue with football clubs getting investment. I just can't for the life of me see the value of investing in a lower league football team to the tune of considerable millions. If it's costing that amount of money to get you to the top half of League One, what's it going to cost to get to the Championship and then a position of stability (where you're then probably only remotely interesting to other investment groups)?
It's scary. Even the second lowest averages are almost double what you're pulling in. Just on ticket sales alone that's around £2.5mill the likes of Blackburn, Preston, Millwall have over you. Those clubs that are in the middle of the attendance table you can double that amount. Do these guys have £5million upwards a season just to be remotely competitive at this level?
Even then, do you invest in Lincoln with a stadium that has limited potential or a club like Rotherham with a bigger ground, even a basketcase club like Reading with a huge stadium and far more potential? I know where my money would go (if I was daft enough to expect a return on a football club).
Believe me. We'll be in exactly the same position when it comes to 1878 moving on. We're not a good investment. 1878 themselves are probably shocked at how much of a money drain a football club is and we've generated bonus income in the last 24 months or so.
It might be that Jabara and his family genuinely just want to throw money at it to give you guys the best chance of succeeding. I hope that's the case. But if they step away, who plugs the £3million a year sized hole?
You can cut the numbers anyway you want really. The population of NEL has decreased in the last 10 years yet attendances have increased considerably, that's without any real success. There's no two ways about it, the club are in the same position they were 19 years ago and no amount of promotions from the fifth tier will wash with anyone over the age of 25/30 as 'success'. Anyone over that age grew up with Town more than capable of operating at the third and second tiers. Rightly or wrongly that is their standard and benchmark, as ridiculous as it sounds in the modern game.
Lincoln is clearly a growing city, as evidenced by the fact it's flipping impossible to get to anywhere at anything other than snail pace, but your attendance has only increased on the back of quite considerable success in terms of reaching a level very few of your fan base will have seen, certainly for a sustained period anyway. Potentially I would say Town could get more fans in if both clubs were operating at the same level. The key word is could. Our ground wouldn't allow it and potential is worth jaff all without the ability to convert it into something.
Back to you and your investors though, the question for me is still why? Why on earth would anyone pump money into a club for the sake of it. You don't make money from football and the ramblings of your Sincil Bank friend just scream 'it'll be ok because they said it will'. There has to be a reason they're involved.
They're the words of Harvey Jabara, your US bankroller. It's a football investment. So they feel the football club itself has something they can invest it and get a return on. That means they eventually think someone is going to come in and give them a return on their investment. I've seen a quote from Jabara where he says stuff about long-term, not flipping his investment etc. If that's the case then he's not really investing is he, it's throwing money away with the knowledge that he isn't getting anything back on it...which is fine. So why constantly use the term 'investment'.
How much have his family invested in the club and then add a good percentage onto that for a return. Do you think anyone is going to buy his shares for that value? This probably is the negative bit but it just doesn't add up to me. I will be as cautious when 1878 come to getting outside investment in here and ask the question of what is it going to cost us in the long run.
I've not got any issue with football clubs getting investment. I just can't for the life of me see the value of investing in a lower league football team to the tune of considerable millions. If it's costing that amount of money to get you to the top half of League One, what's it going to cost to get to the Championship and then a position of stability (where you're then probably only remotely interesting to other investment groups)?
It's scary. Even the second lowest averages are almost double what you're pulling in. Just on ticket sales alone that's around £2.5mill the likes of Blackburn, Preston, Millwall have over you. Those clubs that are in the middle of the attendance table you can double that amount. Do these guys have £5million upwards a season just to be remotely competitive at this level?
Even then, do you invest in Lincoln with a stadium that has limited potential or a club like Rotherham with a bigger ground, even a basketcase club like Reading with a huge stadium and far more potential? I know where my money would go (if I was daft enough to expect a return on a football club).
Believe me. We'll be in exactly the same position when it comes to 1878 moving on. We're not a good investment. 1878 themselves are probably shocked at how much of a money drain a football club is and we've generated bonus income in the last 24 months or so.
It might be that Jabara and his family genuinely just want to throw money at it to give you guys the best chance of succeeding. I hope that's the case. But if they step away, who plugs the £3million a year sized hole?
Lincoln are chasing the dream - nowt wrong with ambition - but any imps fan who simply washes over their current cash drain situation needs to give their head a wobble. IF they get to The Championship, just bear in mind that Bristol City - substantially bigger club than either Lincoln or ourselves - need pulling out of the sh#t every season by their owner to the tune of around £15-25m - that’s not far off 5-10 times what Lincoln are currently doing. Unless you get to the Prem - which Bristol city still haven’t managed - it ends in tears.
I want us to have the ambition of getting in L1, but I’m under no illusion that we’d have a bottom 6 budget early doors even if we had an average wage of 3-4K per week. It’d be tough going.
In summary - Lincoln are playing with fire, and their fans don’t understand the word “investment “.
I agree with your descriptions of some of the grounds and not what I would want if we ever went for a new home. That wasn't my point though, just examples of clubs who didn't pack their grounds out (some far from it) but they moved to try and take their club forward. I would assume the maintenance costs of running those grounds is significantly lower than trying to maintain an older ground and keep it up to standards to allow them to operate. Older grounds are romantic and part of the football heritage in this county, that doesn't mean we should keep them.
Blundell Park for me can't be improved drastically to make it viable long term. Surrounded three sides with terraced housing and a road/railway line the other. Any expansion (if that was possible) would cause even more traffic, parking and pedestrian issues in the surrounding area. There have been new grounds muted over a long period of time but none of come to fruition for various reasons. There have been good reasons why we should move and they still apply. As Andrew Pettit said at the forum any new ground would have to incorporate many areas of use aside football to make it financially viable to run. It's not top of the shopping list for the club at the moment but long term we go nowhere staying at BP as a club, attracting players or new fans for that matter.
I don't know - the stewarding costs for MK must have been quite heavy there were more than them than fans - getting searched twice to get in seemed a bit ott for me and then not even being able to get a can at half time because they didn't have enough staff on at their 'bar' (i use the term loosely as anyone who has been there will know what I mean ) seemed a bit bizarre - a 30k stadium for a team that only gets 5k home fans on a good day is silly much like Darlington when they did the same.
I do know where you are coming from and I bet there are a good few on here who would agree with you ; I actually do think we would get better crowds if we got it right not the massive % increase that some have but a good 2-3k more regulars and obviously you could offer a massive increase to away teams ; MK got 7k away fans 5 or 6 times last season in league 1 with there crap crowds it's more than home fans - I would not go that far but 1 or 2k more for the second half of this season would have probably been taken up a good few times .
We have done it to death though on here , the reality is there is no help is there and it would have to be self funded or leveraged against a load of debt which would cripple the club even if we were to get an extra 3k a week and better commercial revenue .
The only viable way is probably the 1 in a million chance we go through somehow like Luton and fund a super stadium from that .
I'm not a mind reader but the impression I get is the training ground would be key to 'moving through the gears' as Stockwood put it - less capital outlay with potential commercial opportunities there , better facilities = better players and to make money through selling young players/sell ons which we seem to have started the process of anyway (hopefully).
I've been reliably informed that the £3M is mainly due to the redevelopment of the Stacey West End at SB. I don't think Lincoln have to worry too much, they're one of the better ran clubs in L1 and L2 from what I gather. A bottom third of the division wage budget last according to the aforementioned source. There are some eye watering amounts of money being chucked around at that level, I don't think Lincoln are anywhere near the list of main offenders.
But where are we going to get the £40 Mil+ from to build the ground?
£40m is a figure that was mentioned by JS but I'm not sure where he plucked that from. It cost £20m to build the New York Stadium in Rotherham. 10 years ago I admit but prices haven't doubled in the construction world I do know as I work in it.
£40m is a figure that was mentioned by JS but I'm not sure where he plucked that from. It cost £20m to build the New York Stadium in Rotherham. 10 years ago I admit but prices haven't doubled in the construction world I do know as I work in it.
True but the development hit issues which increased the costs quite a bit. Also land costs in York will be higher than here. I'm not saying a stadium built 10 years ago at £20m will be the same now. I just question £40m until a legitimate study has been done on a design and area where it would be located.
It is and the football ground is only a part of it so it's not a fair comparison. It has a cinema, leisure centre and other buildings on the site so this added to the total cost.
Other clubs managed it in different financial times.
We can't currently afford a new ground. Building costs have shot up and anchor tenants have faded away.
Not much point speculating on what we need/want, when it isn't going to happen for the foreseeable.
I'm with you on this one. We have debated it on here many times, in the past, and when JS & AP say it's not going to happen then any further discussion is pointless.
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
Most of the aforementioned clubs managed it by the owners being smart…….
It’s a a good point - we’d need £40m-plus, no doubt, but others have managed.
Blundell Park isn’t good enough now, and it’s only gonna get worse. I suspect it will be the one issue that encourages JS and AP to get the hell out of dodge at some point, and that’s not a criticism of them, it’s just gonna be tough getting the funding. Blundell Park should have been demolished in the 20th century, and we’re already 23 years into the next one now!
For what it’s worth, and I admit it, I have zero clue what the solution is.
Somebody needed to say it, well done sir. To replace the Main & Osmond Stands won’t come cheap, if The Imps renovation of the Stacey West is anything to go by.
It’s interesting reading this thread with all the prophets of doom speculating on our impending demise. It’s 40 (FORTY) years since Town matched attendances at old Sinny Bank. 9th in League 1 is realistically the best we can hope for in terms of club size compared to our rivals but aspirations are higher. This has been achieved without our 1st choice strikeforce (Walker, House, Hackett) and best defender (Montsma) …. imagine where we might be if they’d been fit?
Despite personally wanting the Cowley’s back and the feel good factor they exude within the City, I trust Mr Nates/Jibaras have chosen wisely in Michael Skubala and will back him in the forthcoming windows.
25k at Pride Park with all away tickets sold on the Thursday night before Christmas is far more preferable place compared to a trip to Rodney Parade, don’t you think?
Somebody needed to say it, well done sir. To replace the Main & Osmond Stands won’t come cheap, if The Imps renovation of the Stacey West is anything to go by.
It’s interesting reading this thread with all the prophets of doom speculating on our impending demise. It’s 40 (FORTY) years since Town matched attendances at old Sinny Bank. 9th in League 1 is realistically the best we can hope for in terms of club size compared to our rivals but aspirations are higher. This has been achieved without our 1st choice strikeforce (Walker, House, Hackett) and best defender (Montsma) …. imagine where we might be if they’d been fit?
Despite personally wanting the Cowley’s back and the feel good factor they exude within the City, I trust Mr Nates/Jibaras have chosen wisely in Michael Skubala and will back him in the forthcoming windows.
25k at Pride Park with all away tickets sold on the Thursday night before Christmas is far more preferable place compared to a trip to Rodney Parade, don’t you think?
Look, a Born again gimp. I guess Citeh aren’t top xat the moment ????
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
Somebody needed to say it, well done sir. To replace the Main & Osmond Stands won’t come cheap, if The Imps renovation of the Stacey West is anything to go by.
It’s interesting reading this thread with all the prophets of doom speculating on our impending demise. It’s 40 (FORTY) years since Town matched attendances at old Sinny Bank. 9th in League 1 is realistically the best we can hope for in terms of club size compared to our rivals but aspirations are higher. This has been achieved without our 1st choice strikeforce (Walker, House, Hackett) and best defender (Montsma) …. imagine where we might be if they’d been fit?
Despite personally wanting the Cowley’s back and the feel good factor they exude within the City, I trust Mr Nates/Jibaras have chosen wisely in Michael Skubala and will back him in the forthcoming windows.
25k at Pride Park with all away tickets sold on the Thursday night before Christmas is far more preferable place compared to a trip to Rodney Parade, don’t you think?
Come back when you've beat them 1-3 in the Championship at Pride Park. SB like BP has one good stand .After that you have one mediocre and two abysma stands so you have plenty to do still
Trouble is mickeylyons ALL stands have been redeveloped whereas your dump hasnt ! I also believe you dont have 16/17 full boxes like we do .Plus i remember reading on here the distain at a fan zone where we welcome EVERYONE ( I dont believe yours does) and has earned us hundreds of thousands of £££££.We also a multi million ,yep hard to believe i agree,catering contract!
Your own ridiculous forum shows 'distain' towards anyone who doesn't toe the line, a reminder that your attitude and language as a guest here on the Fishy would have you banned by the cry baby admins on there, as has alway been the case, but some general footy talk is a little too much to ask for from post-Cowley glory seekers and wavering Citeh fans it would seem.
Our fanzone does welcome all , it's really good tbf plenty of away fans in most games (when they travel) and had a pint with one or two .
I don't get when people call these old traditional grounds dumps , I prefer them BP isn't even that bad in comparison to some of those places in the NL- I actually liked those aswell ; maybe that's too far in your rear view mirror to remember , not sure , not my place . I don't mind Sincil Nou Camp but it's no way near this footballing colosseum that some of your regulars seem to think .
Trouble is mickeylyons ALL stands have been redeveloped whereas your dump hasnt ! I also believe you dont have 16/17 full boxes like we do .Plus i remember reading on here the distain at a fan zone where we welcome EVERYONE ( I dont believe yours does) and has earned us hundreds of thousands of £££££.We also a multi million ,yep hard to believe i agree,catering contract!
And yet you’re still haemorrhaging money each season to stand still in L1 with decreasing attendances. You can go on about it as much as you like but it’s not as rosey at the Wembley of the North as you like to make out.
Trouble is mickeylyons ALL stands have been redeveloped whereas your dump hasnt ! I also believe you dont have 16/17 full boxes like we do .Plus i remember reading on here the distain at a fan zone where we welcome EVERYONE ( I dont believe yours does) and has earned us hundreds of thousands of £££££.We also a multi million ,yep hard to believe i agree,catering contract!
We've got the best scotch eggs in the EFL. Glad you're making millions it means you won't owe so much when it all goes wrong.Mind you surely you should be relocating to a 50k capacity stadium sometime soon so you're huge fanbase can all get a seat?
Trouble is mickeylyons ALL stands have been redeveloped whereas your dump hasnt ! I also believe you dont have 16/17 full boxes like we do .Plus i remember reading on here the distain at a fan zone where we welcome EVERYONE ( I dont believe yours does) and has earned us hundreds of thousands of £££££.We also a multi million ,yep hard to believe i agree,catering contract!
David Frazer why on earth are you gaslighting The Fishy with "my willy is bigger than your willy " posts? Is your Gimp forum not interesting enough?
£40m is a figure that was mentioned by JS but I'm not sure where he plucked that from. It cost £20m to build the New York Stadium in Rotherham. 10 years ago I admit but prices haven't doubled in the construction world I do know as I work in it.
Boston Utd Jakeman Stadium opened 2021 5061 capacity (2155 seated) £12 mill and still not finished, if that helps.
It’s interesting reading this thread with all the prophets of doom speculating on our impending demise. It’s 40 (FORTY) years since Town matched attendances at old Sinny Bank. 9th in League 1 is realistically the best we can hope for in terms of club size compared to our rivals but aspirations are higher.
I don’t usually respond to the manhood waving posts but here goes. In those 40 years, season for season, Lincoln have only had a better attendance than Town in 7 of those seasons. It’s easy to cherry pick stats to fit a narrative isn’t it?
However, what I think you and David Fraser have both missed in this thread is the original point of the post and that is that if a well run (that’s one thing most Town fans agree on regarding Lincoln is that you are, from the outside, well run) you still have to pump in £3m to challenge and that is a word of warning to all the Town fans begging for more. There was nothing pointed in the original Post (as I read it) against Lincoln, to the contrary, but just highlighting that it costs a lot to break even at L1 level and probably more than we anticipated.
I don’t usually respond to the manhood waving posts but here goes. In those 40 years, season for season, Lincoln have only had a better attendance than Town in 7 of those seasons. It’s easy to cherry pick stats to fit a narrative isn’t it?
However, what I think you and David Fraser have both missed in this thread is the original point of the post and that is that if a well run (that’s one thing most Town fans agree on regarding Lincoln is that you are, from the outside, well run) you still have to pump in £3m to challenge and that is a word of warning to all the Town fans begging for more. There was nothing pointed in the original Post (as I read it) against Lincoln, to the contrary, but just highlighting that it costs a lot to break even at L1 level and probably more than we anticipated.
Well said. There is data to suit for every scenario but it is obvious to all that the Mariners are Lincolnshire's premier club. Not at the moment I grant you with Lincoln being one whole division above us, but it is true nonetheless. If Lincoln reach the Championship and then the top flight and reach FA Cup semi finals and so on then fair enough we would have to concede the point, but at the moment they are miles off just as Scunny were when they had their Championship purple patch.
In terms of ambition the question is whether smaller clubs such as Lincoln and Town can ever hope to compete in the championship without massive cash injections. Could either club ever exist there on a sustainable basis?
Between 1980 and 2003 Town played in the second tier for 17 seasons and did so without going tens of millions in debt. But times have changed. Clubs up there spend ridiculous amounts on players wages these days. Mel Machin sank £200 million into Derby in an attempt to get them promoted and ended up almost destroying the club.
I may be overly pessimistic, but I find it hard to believe that we could ever survive long in that division now. Sure, we might be able to get promoted into it, like Scunny did twice, and which Lincoln might well do. But staying there is a mightily tall order for clubs of our size without huge and regular cash injections.
Well said. There is data for every scenario but it is obvious to all that the Mariners are Lincolnshire's premier club. Not at the moment I grant you with Lincoln being one whole division above us, but it is true nonetheless. If Lincoln reach the Championship and then the top flight and reach FA Cup semi finals and so on then fair enough we would have to concede the point, but at the moment they are miles off just as Scunny were when they had their Championship purple patch.
Currently Lincoln are paying in £60k per match (£3 mill ÷ 50 games) Somebody ought to tell them, you just can't buy class.
I don’t usually respond to the manhood waving posts but here goes. In those 40 years, season for season, Lincoln have only had a better attendance than Town in 7 of those seasons. It’s easy to cherry pick stats to fit a narrative isn’t it?
However, what I think you and David Fraser have both missed in this thread is the original point of the post and that is that if a well run (that’s one thing most Town fans agree on regarding Lincoln is that you are, from the outside, well run) you still have to pump in £3m to challenge and that is a word of warning to all the Town fans begging for more. There was nothing pointed in the original Post (as I read it) against Lincoln, to the contrary, but just highlighting that it costs a lot to break even at L1 level and probably more than we anticipated.
No there was no highlighting any of the above like you say .
It was more an example of how deep pockets you need to compete even at league 1 level and how I can see why Stockwood got irked from some critics (yes I know they chose to take the club on ) after ponying up whatever it was to buy the club ; which was almost worth less than nothing + the further outlay on BP & the playing squad only to be asked 'where did the cup money go?' - when on reality it's probably about 1/5th of what they have put in and has just taken the edge off slightly .
I actually do think Lincoln are well run and have a decent chairman and CEO but the idea that they are light years ahead of us on and off the pitch is laughable they are 1 league up with some yanks having to make up a 3 million pound shortfall - unless they have a decent season this or next it will be 3 million down the drain - their model hasn't worked (yet) regarding player trading , on the pitch they are doing okay but if you look at league 1 there are effectively 3 tiers ; they are 9th -- the issue I would have if they don't start making gains on players soon you may well be throwing away 3 million quid down the drain to finish 6 or 7 places higher and not be down the bottom third . It would be interesting to know what their long term goal is .
I don't think it's a Reading , Scunny , Wigan or Southend scenario by any means but still just shows how crazy the game is even in division 3 and 4 .
Well said. There is data to suit for every scenario but it is obvious to all that the Mariners are Lincolnshire's premier club.
Just the 10,064 here today, 1995 was the last time you achieved an attendance of this size, so your absolute delusion at being the Premier Club in the Shire is off the scale sir.
Just the 10,064 here today, 1995 was the last time you achieved an attendance of this size, so your absolute delusion at being the Premier Club in the Shire is off the scale sir.
3000 away fans does have the tendency to do that, though.
Not to forget, of course, that we had to go all-seater decades ago due to our League status at the time. We'd have managed a good few attendances in excess of 10K, had we some standing capacity available in the years since then.
Just the 10,064 here today, 1995 was the last time you achieved an attendance of this size, so your absolute delusion at being the Premier Club in the Shire is off the scale sir.
Congrats lads. I’m sure they’ll all be back for the next home game after you managed less than 30% possession in a home game and mustered two shots all game.
Going onto an opposition fans forum literally minutes after the final whistle to brag about 10,000 fans in the ground. Completely ignoring the fact that you suffered a defeat against a side occupying one of the play-off places you cherish, which personally I would have thought would be more of a priority for you. Each to their own though.
intercourse me, that's almost as embarrassing as your tantrum at your 2011 relegation whilst holding your Franny Lee toilet roll. Almost.
Well said. There is data to suit for every scenario but it is obvious to all that the Mariners are Lincolnshire's premier club. Not at the moment I grant you with Lincoln being one whole division above us, but it is true nonetheless. If Lincoln reach the Championship and then the top flight and reach FA Cup semi finals and so on then fair enough we would have to concede the point, but at the moment they are miles off just as Scunny were when they had their Championship purple patch.
I don't think it's obvious. With the amount Lincoln have had pumped in on facilities and players, plus we've not been in L1 in what, 15 years? Historically, you are right, but history means very little compared to the last 20 years.
We are not a big club by any modern metric. Neither are Lincoln but on level, money and attendance they have been beating us for several years now.
I don't think it's obvious. With the amount Lincoln have had pumped in on facilities and players, plus we've not been in L1 in what, 15 years? Historically, you are right, but history means very little compared to the last 20 years.
We are not a big club by any modern metric. Neither are Lincoln but on level, money and attendance they have been beating us for several years now.
History means jaff all, we all know that. We laugh at much bigger clubs who have this chip on their shoulder regards their history so it would be daft to pull out the old history card in this argument.
But the last six seasons are a mere drop in the ocean as to regards how much we proved to be the better side in Lincolnshire. Alas, that's very much in the same way that we've historically proved to be better than the likes of an awful lot of clubs who now dwarf us...
Congrats lads. I’m sure they’ll all be back for the next home game after you managed less than 30% possession in a home game and mustered two shots all game.
They actually bought 1800 fans, so 8200 home fans which considering how poor we are playing is actually, in my opinion quite good - Did you sell out your allocation at Mansfield?
We have our whole forward line injured which means we have an academy lad playing up front who is way out his depth.
Bolton were far superior, but their wage budget is 3 times ours so sort of understandable, but we were so weak and played for a point, which did not work. I am sure we will address this in January, or bring back Draper from Walsall.
Interesting that a lot of your fanbase still sees Grimsby as bigger club than Lincoln - I grew up in the 70's so would have probably agreed with this opinion then, however now, I wouldn't and I would say Lincoln are a bigger club, with a much bigger draw to players and investors - Not having a dig, just interested in perspectives on here. History does count for little doesn't it?
Lincoln as a club and location is leaps and bounds above Grimsby/Cleethorpes. The amount of money that's been pumped into Lincoln as a city is astronomical in comparison to Grimsby or Cleethorpes. I spend a fair bit of time in Lincoln and it's a much more relaxed, vibrant and in some areas, affluent city.
Grimsby as a town and club has had plenty of opportunities to have sorted itself out. The ground is an absolute state and has been my whole life and the town is quite frankly, copulated. It's a very unattractive prospect to have much to do with Grimsby but such is life.
They actually bought 1800 fans, so 8200 home fans which considering how poor we are playing is actually, in my opinion quite good - Did you sell out your allocation at Mansfield?
We have our whole forward line injured which means we have an academy lad playing up front who is way out his depth.
Bolton were far superior, but their wage budget is 3 times ours so sort of understandable, but we were so weak and played for a point, which did not work. I am sure we will address this in January, or bring back Draper from Walsall.
Interesting that a lot of your fanbase still sees Grimsby as bigger club than Lincoln - I grew up in the 70's so would have probably agreed with this opinion then, however now, I wouldn't and I would say Lincoln are a bigger club, with a much bigger draw to players and investors - Not having a dig, just interested in perspectives on here. History does count for little doesn't it?
The truth is neither are particularly bigger or smaller than the other both 'in between' clubs who have potential of decent crowds but will struggle to ever compete in the top 2 divisions with the way the game has changed , sad but true .
History does give you context as without your cup run + The Cowleys the city being galvanised you would still be in the NL getting 3k fans on a good day .
I had hoped our takeover and cup run would galvanise us and provide momentum in a similiar way it did you , but it seems it has not thus far .
Lincoln are a more attractive proposition atm for investors proof is in the pudding -we don't seem to be able to find any of the right sort who are willing to throw some of their relative small change in .
I don't really care who are the bigger club , I just want us to turn up at Mansfield , run around and give it a go tbh that's whats irking me atm .
Going onto an opposition fans forum literally minutes after the final whistle to brag about 10,000 fans in the ground. Completely ignoring the fact that you suffered a defeat against a side occupying one of the play-off places you cherish, which personally I would have thought would be more of a priority for you. Each to their own though.
intercourse me, that's almost as embarrassing as your tantrum at your 2011 relegation whilst holding your Franny Lee toilet roll. Almost.
Tantrum you say? 🤔 Blimey I’m flattered you can even remember what I said after our spineless surrender against Aldershot over a decade ago, whereas I can barely recall what I ate for dinner last night? 🤷♂️
Plenty of effort shown in keeping a top Tier 3 side in Bolton at bay. As for cherishing an improbable play-off spot, it’s better to be looking up, than over your shoulder praying Forest Green don’t win their games in hand 😉
Anyway, enough about your second team, time to turn your reversible shirt inside out to sky blue and settle down with a beer and the TV, you terrible, terrible excuse of a football fan.
Any Town fan who isn’t a little bit jealous of Lincoln at present is kidding themselves. They are where we want to be, moreover where we were till Fenty copulated us up.
Good luck to them, hope we’re waving back at them asap.
I’d say similar sized clubs, Town have a more loyal hard core but Lincoln is a wealthier growing city and more “new” fans. The main differentiator, as has been noted on this thread, is Sincil is a reasonable all seater ground for League 1, whereas BP was totally unsuited to all seater conversion and is a bit of a mill-stone now.
I’d say similar sized clubs, Town have a more loyal hard core but Lincoln is a wealthier growing city and more “new” fans. The main differentiator, as has been noted on this thread, is Sincil is a reasonable all seater ground for League 1, whereas BP was totally unsuited to all seater conversion and is a bit of a mill-stone now.
Has Sincil Bank substantially changed? I always thought of it as been much worse than BP with that silly stand opposite to the big stand and the tiny stands behind the goals.
They actually bought 1800 fans, so 8200 home fans which considering how poor we are playing is actually, in my opinion quite good - Did you sell out your allocation at Mansfield?
We have our whole forward line injured which means we have an academy lad playing up front who is way out his depth.
Bolton were far superior, but their wage budget is 3 times ours so sort of understandable, but we were so weak and played for a point, which did not work. I am sure we will address this in January, or bring back Draper from Walsall.
Interesting that a lot of your fanbase still sees Grimsby as bigger club than Lincoln - I grew up in the 70's so would have probably agreed with this opinion then, however now, I wouldn't and I would say Lincoln are a bigger club, with a much bigger draw to players and investors - Not having a dig, just interested in perspectives on here. History does count for little doesn't it?
I don't think we're a bigger club than Lincoln anymore and any sane Town fan who's living in the 21st century (in which we've been shite almost the whole time) doesn't either. And right now Lincoln are most definitely a better draw for players than we are. But I don't think Lincoln are a bigger club than us. You had a very good attendance yesterday (bolstered by a full away end which we've not even got close to this season) but if you take away the average number of away fans you get at home games for both clubs then there's about 1200-1300 difference on average which isn't huge. In the context of you being at the top of your most successful period in your history playing teams like Derby and Bolton and us being in yet another L2 relegation battle after 22 years of being shite, it really isn't very much. Equally, despite most games being closer and being more attractive away days you are averaging fewer away fans to away games this season than we did last season in L2 (I can't find our average this season, sorry). Plus, your attendances are falling, down 1000 on average since you were last in L2 despite a big increase in the number of away fans at each game.
Do I think we'd be averaging the same if we were competing in the top half of L1? Absolutely. Even this season with only 5 wins and some miserable performances in the main it's still quite hard to get tickets of more than 2 together unless you want impeded views or to sit in the away stand. The poster that said we're jealous of Lincoln is absolutely right, I'd love to be 9th in L1 after four seasons at that level with millions pumped in each season by "investors". I'd love to have the Co-op stand or something similar at Blundell Park and a ground that is definitely going to be significantly easier to redevelop if necessary (probably not necessary with your 2500 empty home seats on average). But it's laughable how some of your fans seem to think you're massive now and lording it over us. Ultimately we all know that at the first whiff of a bad season, your attendances will drop sharply and eventually the investors will stop pumping money in for no return.
And don't get me started on NorfolkImp. A meltdown befitting a toddler when you were shite saying he's never going again, not seen on here for years until you started getting some success and these days is posting on our forum approximately 5 minutes after full time to boast about an attendance after a game in which you were comprehensively outplayed. Probably following Lincoln a bit more this season as City's title challenge seems to have stalled. Literally one of the saddest bell-ends I've ever come across online or in real life and would be worthy of pity if he wasn't such a tw@t.
Has Sincil Bank substantially changed? I always thought of it as been much worse than BP with that silly stand opposite to the big stand and the tiny stands behind the goals.
Capacity 2k higher, no restricted views. Scope for expansion.
Its only like Hull. Its not that long ago, that we wouldn't have paid any attention to them from our lofty position.
Scunthorpe who have monumentally copulated up have still had much higher highs than we have in the last 15 years.
Lincoln have surpassed us also
Hull too (although inevitable I suppose given how resource centric football has become)
GTFC sort of reminds me a little of Britain since the Great War - its been managed terminal decline for decades, with interludes of improvement and/or success
Fingers crossed our luck finally changes and we finally dust ourselves off and can start pushing on.
Capacity 2k higher, no restricted views. Scope for expansion.
Marginally better then which is expected I suppose given they have had a good few years. Its not a huge gulf though, is it?
I take the view that all our best years are ahead of us, including stadium improvements to look forward to at some stage. Nothing stays the same forever.
Marginally better then which is expected I suppose given they have had a good few years. Its not a huge gulf though, is it?
I take the view that all our best years are ahead of us, including stadium improvements to look forward to at some stage. Nothing stays the same forever.
I think the ground improvements are being slightly under estimated.
500k on the pitch which is now very good, New digital advertising around the entire pitch, new changing rooms, Legends lounge, all executive boxes refurbished and a 2.6 million new Stacey west stand/complex, 600k on the irrigation system for the whole ground, which will eventually allow the stand opposite the co-op stand to be replaced - So the ground has undergone quite a lot if changes.
Add to that a new training ground, and a new 4G pitch outside the ground then things are definitely looking up - Just a shame on the pitch is a real struggle at the moment.
I'm jealous of the fact that Lincoln have had a vision, success and investment for the last 7 years. 5 years more than we have. I'm jealous of the fact that they took full advantage of their success in the Conference and cup run, used the attention to gain investment and went from strength to strength. Whereas we, a year ahead of them, did intercourse all other than buy an extra porta-cabin and replaced the core of our promotion winning side with rejects from relegated York City.
But then I'm also jealous of the likes of Rotherham in the Championship who were a far smaller fish than Town as I was growing up. Even in League One the likes of Peterborough, Oxford, flipping Stevenage for gods sake, Orient, Cambridge, Northampton, Shrewsbury, Vale, Wycombe, Burton, Exeter, Cheltenham, Fleetwood and Carlisle are all clubs that historically we lorded it over.
Up as far as the Prem, Man City were a bit of an anomoly at our level and Newcastle were always a proper sleeping giant. But seeing Brighton, Bournemouth, Fulham, Brentford and Burnley at that level when it only feels like I blinked since we were comfortably better than them brings home the reality of how we've fallen behind.
Looking at the League Two table there's not many in there in what I class as the same position as us. excrement for the majority of modern history but spin it back a few decades and we were far, far better. Tranmere, Swindon, Notts County....Stockport and Donny both had dabbles in the second tier. Of course AFC Wimbledon but their journey is completely different.
What went wrong? In the 1990's we could and should have kicked on big time. I've long said that Buckley team around 1993 was a player away from reaching the Premier League. Dave Beasant's loan signing showed us what a marquee signing would have done for us and I firmly believe if we somehow managed to hold onto him we go up that year, the rest of the side was just perfect. The backline was solid with a great blend of youth and experience. The midfield was as good as it ever was, the likes of Child and Gilbert were at their peak, firepower wasn't a problem either with Super Clive and Groves banging them in, maybe needed someone else to help out.
2 or 3 years later under Laws I think we were close again. End of November we're a point off the top spot before it spectacularly went to excrement, even before Ivanogate. But the bulk of that season was without Mendonca. All if's and but's but had he not spent the majority of the season out, I think that was our best chance of getting into the top flight.
98/99 was our best recent finish but I never felt we were quite good enough. Our football was figured out by a lot of sides and were far too reliant on Groves' goals.
It might only have been a Swindon, Barnsley or Bradford spell in the top flight but I can't ever imagine us getting close to that again, which is a really sad reflection on the modern game. Looking again at our league table I can't see anyone getting a sniff, not even Wrexham or Stockport. The amount of investment needed to even survive in the Championship is immense, at the top end of it...nah.
In League One you've got Derby pulling 25,000 for home games, Bolton and Portsmouth high teens and then there's a big drop off to Charlton, Reading et al. The Championship has some monster outfits in Leeds, Sunderland....14 sides averaging more than 20,000 at home games but history tells us that's not enough. Without significant money pumped in and with even more debt added to their balance sheets, it won't be enough.
If I'm honest I don't think I would want us to be a Bournemouth with that success basically bankrolled. Even Brighton, for all the praise they get have done it all with a huge investment from a benefactor. It's not likely we'll ever know what it feels like but I do wonder if it feels a bit tainted.
Just the 10,064 here today, 1995 was the last time you achieved an attendance of this size, so your absolute delusion at being the Premier Club in the Shire is off the scale sir.
Just the 8661 there tonight with only 1000 tickets given to the away team which were nearly all sold meaning there were 1600 more empty seats in the home end than three days ago. And it was kids in for a quid too. Flakiest support in the FL and dropping like a stone in the league.
Just the 8661 there tonight with only 1000 tickets given to the away team which were nearly all sold meaning there were 1600 more empty seats in the home end than three days ago. And it was kids in for a quid too. Flakiest support in the FL and dropping like a stone in the league.
Norfolk Imp demanding a return from the Cowleys on Vital, all makes for a very enjoyable trip down the pub tomorrow seeing all the miserable faces 😀😀
I'm jealous of the fact that Lincoln have had a vision, success and investment for the last 7 years. 5 years more than we have. I'm jealous of the fact that they took full advantage of their success in the Conference and cup run, used the attention to gain investment and went from strength to strength. Whereas we, a year ahead of them, did intercourse all other than buy an extra porta-cabin and replaced the core of our promotion winning side with rejects from relegated York City.
But then I'm also jealous of the likes of Rotherham in the Championship who were a far smaller fish than Town as I was growing up. Even in League One the likes of Peterborough, Oxford, flipping Stevenage for gods sake, Orient, Cambridge, Northampton, Shrewsbury, Vale, Wycombe, Burton, Exeter, Cheltenham, Fleetwood and Carlisle are all clubs that historically we lorded it over.
Up as far as the Prem, Man City were a bit of an anomoly at our level and Newcastle were always a proper sleeping giant. But seeing Brighton, Bournemouth, Fulham, Brentford and Burnley at that level when it only feels like I blinked since we were comfortably better than them brings home the reality of how we've fallen behind.
Looking at the League Two table there's not many in there in what I class as the same position as us. excrement for the majority of modern history but spin it back a few decades and we were far, far better. Tranmere, Swindon, Notts County....Stockport and Donny both had dabbles in the second tier. Of course AFC Wimbledon but their journey is completely different.
What went wrong? In the 1990's we could and should have kicked on big time. I've long said that Buckley team around 1993 was a player away from reaching the Premier League. Dave Beasant's loan signing showed us what a marquee signing would have done for us and I firmly believe if we somehow managed to hold onto him we go up that year, the rest of the side was just perfect. The backline was solid with a great blend of youth and experience. The midfield was as good as it ever was, the likes of Child and Gilbert were at their peak, firepower wasn't a problem either with Super Clive and Groves banging them in, maybe needed someone else to help out.
2 or 3 years later under Laws I think we were close again. End of November we're a point off the top spot before it spectacularly went to excrement, even before Ivanogate. But the bulk of that season was without Mendonca. All if's and but's but had he not spent the majority of the season out, I think that was our best chance of getting into the top flight.
98/99 was our best recent finish but I never felt we were quite good enough. Our football was figured out by a lot of sides and were far too reliant on Groves' goals.
It might only have been a Swindon, Barnsley or Bradford spell in the top flight but I can't ever imagine us getting close to that again, which is a really sad reflection on the modern game. Looking again at our league table I can't see anyone getting a sniff, not even Wrexham or Stockport. The amount of investment needed to even survive in the Championship is immense, at the top end of it...nah.
In League One you've got Derby pulling 25,000 for home games, Bolton and Portsmouth high teens and then there's a big drop off to Charlton, Reading et al. The Championship has some monster outfits in Leeds, Sunderland....14 sides averaging more than 20,000 at home games but history tells us that's not enough. Without significant money pumped in and with even more debt added to their balance sheets, it won't be enough.
If I'm honest I don't think I would want us to be a Bournemouth with that success basically bankrolled. Even Brighton, for all the praise they get have done it all with a huge investment from a benefactor. It's not likely we'll ever know what it feels like but I do wonder if it feels a bit tainted.
TBH you could go back to 81 when we should have kicked on more - a fantastic team of homegrown players but with the chance of further investment wasted. The Findus was a cheapskate replacement for the Barratt and wasn’t there an issue about the Board refusing to issue more share capital back then? In the 90s we waited right to the last minute to work out a plan for all seater and again it was the cheapest possible solution. This and then the Fenty years is why so many clubs have overtaken us.
And don't get me started on NorfolkImp. A meltdown befitting a toddler when you were shite saying he's never going again, not seen on here for years until you started getting some success and these days is posting on our forum approximately 5 minutes after full time to boast about an attendance after a game in which you were comprehensively outplayed. Probably following Lincoln a bit more this season as City's title challenge seems to have stalled. Literally one of the saddest bell-ends I've ever come across online or in real life and would be worthy of pity if he wasn't such a tw@t.
Comedy Gold …. I haven’t laughed as much since I saw your result at full-time. I was so tempted to come on 5 minutes later, but didn’t want to appear cruel.
Comedy Gold …. I haven’t laughed as much since I saw your result at full-time. I was so tempted to come on 5 minutes later, but didn’t want to appear cruel.
You finished w@nking for the night then?
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
Comedy Gold …. I haven’t laughed as much since I saw your result at full-time. I was so tempted to come on 5 minutes later, but didn’t want to appear cruel.
Here he is, the world's saddest man ladies and gentlemen. Imagine having such an empty and pathetic life that you've posted almost 3000 times on a rival team's forum.
Here he is, the world's saddest man ladies and gentlemen. Imagine having such an empty and pathetic life that you've posted almost 3000 times on a rival team's forum.
Here he is, the world's saddest man ladies and gentlemen. Imagine having such an empty and pathetic life that you've posted almost 3000 times on a rival team's forum.
Empty and pathetic life? Errr I’ve actually just woken to a beautiful sunrise from my terrace here in Tenerife as I do every year over the festive period, whereas you’re probably peering through the rain overlooking the Cleethorpes mudflats?
I didn’t start this thread btw, but seeing as it’s ‘not your big rivals who nobody cares about’ (East Coast Scouser syndrome) I have every right to comment on it without lowering the tone and getting personal … something you wouldn’t dare do in real life.
You’ve ‘just woken to a beautiful sunrise in Tenerife’ and instead of enjoying it you go straight to the forum of a club you have no affiliation with and have a go. That’s just weird. As the man said, you are one sad b@stard!
Empty and pathetic life? Errr I’ve actually just woken to a beautiful sunrise from my terrace here in Tenerife as I do every year over the festive period, whereas you’re probably peering through the rain overlooking the Cleethorpes mudflats?
I didn’t start this thread btw, but seeing as it’s ‘not your big rivals who nobody cares about’ (East Coast Scouser syndrome) I have every right to comment on it without lowering the tone and getting personal … something you wouldn’t dare do in real life.
Just woken up and immediately on to a rival team's forum. A team yours hasn't played against for five years and supposedly are so grand we're no longer your rivals. A sad, sad life.
Empty and pathetic life? Errr I’ve actually just woken to a beautiful sunrise from my terrace here in Tenerife as I do every year over the festive period, whereas you’re probably peering through the rain overlooking the Cleethorpes mudflats?
I didn’t start this thread btw, but seeing as it’s ‘not your big rivals who nobody cares about’ (East Coast Scouser syndrome) I have every right to comment on it without lowering the tone and getting personal … something you wouldn’t dare do in real life.
Just the 8661 there tonight with only 1000 tickets given to the away team which were nearly all sold meaning there were 1600 more empty seats in the home end than three days ago. And it was kids in for a quid too. Flakiest support in the FL and dropping like a stone in the league.
I still think the crowds are good personally, this with an absolutely awful watch with the fact we have so many missing especially in attacking areas. Against Blackpool yesterday we had nine 1st team players missing - January will be crucial for us to move into a safer position - I don't think we will be in any trouble though if I am being honest - I would say we need 18 points from a possible 60. Blackpool, Derby and Bolton were tough fixtures too over Xmas, all huge clubs.
As for the crowds, we took 1900 to Derby, didn't you take 1200 to Mansfield, similar distances in the same week? The football on offer will definitely have a bearing on fans, but the suggestion we have the flakiest fans in the EFL is wrong in my opinion - I would suggest you stop living in the past as for the last 10 years there is little between us in terms of crowds and success.
As for dropping like a stone, Glass houses and all that..
I still think the crowds are good personally, this with an absolutely awful watch with the fact we have so many missing especially in attacking areas. Against Blackpool yesterday we had nine 1st team players missing - January will be crucial for us to move into a safer position - I don't think we will be in any trouble though if I am being honest - I would say we need 18 points from a possible 60. Blackpool, Derby and Bolton were tough fixtures too over Xmas, all huge clubs.
As for the crowds, we took 1900 to Derby, didn't you take 1200 to Mansfield, similar distances in the same week? The football on offer will definitely have a bearing on fans, but the suggestion we have the flakiest fans in the EFL is wrong in my opinion - I would suggest you stop living in the past as for the last 10 years there is little between us in terms of crowds and success.
As for dropping like a stone, Glass houses and all that..
Empty and pathetic life? Errr I’ve actually just woken to a beautiful sunrise from my terrace here in Tenerife as I do every year over the festive period, whereas you’re probably peering through the rain overlooking the Cleethorpes mudflats?
I didn’t start this thread btw, but seeing as it’s ‘not your big rivals who nobody cares about’ (East Coast Scouser syndrome) I have every right to comment on it without lowering the tone and getting personal … something you wouldn’t dare do in real life.
So the NorfolkGimp spends money to go to Tenerife (Temp @ Midday 20 DegC) whilst Grimsby is 8 DegC and wet. Well good for him, except, he has no mates has he. So he has to log on and Gaslight others as , well let's face it, what point gimps forum where they invent attendance figures all day long. What a saddo. I mean, what Grimberian would go to Tenerife and waste his time there logging onto gImps or Scunny sites? What a Saddo.
I still think the crowds are good personally, this with an absolutely awful watch with the fact we have so many missing especially in attacking areas. Against Blackpool yesterday we had nine 1st team players missing - January will be crucial for us to move into a safer position - I don't think we will be in any trouble though if I am being honest - I would say we need 18 points from a possible 60. Blackpool, Derby and Bolton were tough fixtures too over Xmas, all huge clubs.
As for the crowds, we took 1900 to Derby, didn't you take 1200 to Mansfield, similar distances in the same week? The football on offer will definitely have a bearing on fans, but the suggestion we have the flakiest fans in the EFL is wrong in my opinion - I would suggest you stop living in the past as for the last 10 years there is little between us in terms of crowds and success.
As for dropping like a stone, Glass houses and all that..
Never claimed there was. It's the handful of fans that come on here claiming you're massive compared to us which is laughable. I don't think you'll go down either as you've already got a big points buffer.
I think Mansfield is largely regarded the worst awayday on the calendar certainly out the local games The Police insist on total overkill .
I can understand that, to be fair I’m the first to admit Town’s away support has always been better than The Imps.
Under the Cowley’s the numbers were great, 5,500 at MK Dons for the title decider, 3,300 midweek at Coventry* … those days are long gone, probably forever.
*my personal ever favourite beating Mark Robins Cov 4-2 with Rheady scoring the best goal I’ve ever seen from an Imps player.
Hope Artell turns things round for you personally mate, I remember getting beat by Barnet 0-6 way back in the day, not nice.
I can understand that, to be fair I’m the first to admit Town’s away support has always been better than The Imps.
Under the Cowley’s the numbers were great, 5,500 at MK Dons for the title decider, 3,300 midweek at Coventry* … those days are long gone, probably forever.
*my personal ever favourite beating Mark Robins Cov 4-2 with Rheady scoring the best goal I’ve ever seen from an Imps player.
Hope Artell turns things round for you personally mate, I remember getting beat by Barnet 0-6 way back in the day, not nice.
I'm sat on the fence regarding DA at present. My own view is he's inherited a poor squad with a handful of quality players so let's see what happens after January. The only criticism is trying to play like Man City with players like Waterfall, Green, Clifton who are all battlers rather than passing players is asking for trouble. The season has been a huge disappointment thus far I was expecting a play off challenge and despite what's being said now I was far from alone in August.
I think Mansfield is largely regarded the worst awayday on the calendar certainly out the local games The Police insist on total overkill .
And what’s more a ridiculous comparison, with Lincoln at Derby. 12.30 Boxing Day at Mansfield where we have n played times in the last 10 years or a 60 mile trip to a former Premiership ground. We took 1,800 to Derby on our last visit, apart from the Prem Reserves trophy, for a League Cup Round 1 game.
Very much seems to be that they're justifying the losses as it's part of future proofing. Not sure I quite agree with that approach but then I'm neither a football CEO nor an investor in football either.
Towards the end of the interview he talks about having players out there who've previously left the club but they expect that they'll get sell-on fees coming in soon. This is exactly what I think we're trying to do, certainly with Conteh.
I think I read somewhere that they had lost £6 million over the previous four years now another £2.6m.
So £8.6 million down the pan and they are mid table L1. As we have seen countless times, the willingness of owners to keep pumping millions into a football club year after year usually comes to an end at some point with dire consequences for the club.
I do wonder what the game plan is for the owners. Do they simply have money to burn or is there some strategy to somehow turn a profit on their investment?
Very much seems to be that they're justifying the losses as it's part of future proofing. Not sure I quite agree with that approach but then I'm neither a football CEO nor an investor in football either.
Towards the end of the interview he talks about having players out there who've previously left the club but they expect that they'll get sell-on fees coming in soon. This is exactly what I think we're trying to do, certainly with Conteh.
I think he talks sense , I like the thinking of making sure their lowest ebb is higher if they do badly - something we should be mindful of in terms of not going out of the league at least .
He seems to indicate that their natural level would be bottom end league 1 at best without the investment which is probably our ceiling in truth .
In the wider perspective I can't see the football regulator happening anytime soon and when the new TV money comes in , clubs who don't care about trying to run at any sort of sustainable level just push it all into player wages with clubs like Town and Lincoln just having to lose more money just to compete at league 1 or 2 .
It's the Readings ,Wigans , Coventry's and many more examples that irk me when they overspend massively (money they have not got /will never have) without no particular punishment apart from a minor points deduction with lot's of glory in the meantime whereas the better run clubs get less glory or reward for doing things the right way
I think clubs should be booted out of the league for serious financial problems and not paying wages , I'm not saying finish the clubs but make it more of a deterrent of trying to chase the dream they can never afford
We need a few more Conteh's
We should thank Lincoln for Joe Hutchinson though he's made us ££££ just to start.
I think I read somewhere that they had lost £6 million over the previous four years now another £2.6m.
So £8.6 million down the pan and they are mid table L1. As we have seen countless times, the willingness of owners to keep pumping millions into a football club year after year usually comes to an end at some point with dire consequences for the club.
I do wonder what the game plan is for the owners. Do they simply have money to burn or is there some strategy to somehow turn a profit on their investment?
They must have a figure that they are willing to put in overall, and you have to wonder how long they are content to lose £2m+ every year to finish mid-table in the third tier.
It is worth nothing that they are a brilliant appointment away from promotion and a poor appointment away from relegation.
They must have a figure that they are willing to put in overall, and you have to wonder how long they are content to lose £2m+ every year to finish mid-table in the third tier.
It is worth nothing that they are a brilliant appointment away from promotion and a poor appointment away from relegation.
On the evidence of last night and the past dozen or so games, I’d say the former.
The magical 50 point mark passed with 11 games to spare, Michael Skubala’s Imps have got the locals whispering about a late play-off push? With 3 out of the next 4 at home, stranger things have happened … we shall see?
My understanding was the increased TV money from next season was factored into the short term budgeting for Imps and why they were allowed to run with such a big shortfall this season.
My understanding was the increased TV money from next season was factored into the short term budgeting for Imps and why they were allowed to run with such a big shortfall this season.
Wow, The Imps are truly in their golden period right now.
Well no, that was the mid 1950’s but there’s not many left who can remember those times, such as winning 4-2 at Anfield. Bill Shankly was still Town manager back then I do believe?
Well no, that was the mid 1950’s but there’s not many left who can remember those times, such as winning 4-2 at Anfield. Bill Shankly was still Town manager back then I do believe?
Shankly managed Town in the early 1950's - before my time. I do however remember Andy Graver who scored a shed load of goals for you in the late 50's/early 60's.
Well no, that was the mid 1950’s but there’s not many left who can remember those times, such as winning 4-2 at Anfield. Bill Shankly was still Town manager back then I do believe?
That would be when Liverpool were in the second of 3 divisions then?
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
Well no, that was the mid 1950’s but there’s not many left who can remember those times, such as winning 4-2 at Anfield. Bill Shankly was still Town manager back then I do believe?
Believe you won there 3-1 in 1960 and Bert Linnecor was last player to score a hat trick there until Arshavin for Arsenal. Bert was a smashing guy played against him loads of times and mates with his 3 sons who were all good players themselves.
I would add that we have two guys in charge who have the club in their blood and hearts. Imagine if we had an owner like the guy who took control of Reading. They are in dire financial trouble with HMRC chasing them and bills not being paid. John Madejski built them club up as a local who knew the town and the fans. All his good work destroyed by Dai Yongge. The fans are fighting hard for their club’s survival, but asks huge questions about who should be allowed to buy clubs. The vetting does not seem to be fit fo purpose.
My Dad used to take me to watch Lincoln in the early 50's, and Andy Graver was playing for them, what a fantastic striker, he had 3 stints at Sincil Bank and in his first term there he scored over 100 goals in 4 seasons, I believe he still is the Imps highest ever goal scorer, he also played at some point in his career for Boston United and Skegness Town.Another Imps player I remember was a winger called Smillie, don't remember his full name but he was lightening fast.
I’ve seen some good, some bad and the majority mediocre over my 50 years of watching The Imps.
Step forward Jack Moylan…. I honestly can’t remember a better 45 mins by an Imps player, ever? He scored 2 belters and deserved a 3rd (when the rebound fell to Makama) in a scintillating display against a good promotion chasing Barnsley side.
The Tykes were on a decent run of 1 defeat in 19 games, so to destroy them 5-1 at Oakwell left me speechless.
2 home games coming up v Cambridge & Bristol Rovers, win those and the playoffs really are on, with confidence sky high as Skubala’s style really is beginning to take shape.
Shame Norfolkimp wasnt there as we were bloody fantastic,exciting times coming up at the bank in the next few seasons ! Season tickets for adults are now on sale at £399 for wanting to watch lincolnshires no1 football team !
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These imp fans must have such a busy life that they spend Mondays writing on every football clubs website about how good they are, bet the Man City and Liverpool supporters really look forward to the weekly update, just wish they would sodomist off our site, but if it makes them happy who are we to complain. Funny when they lose on a Saturday they seem to forget to tell how great they are but were unlucky to lose.
To be fair pizzzzzza unlike Norfolk i hate the poffs our record since @2000 is i think lost 7 ! The poffs tend to wreck the next season if you go up or stay down imo.
To be fair pizzzzzza unlike Norfolk i hate the poffs our record since @2000 is i think lost 7 ! The poffs tend to wreck the next season if you go up or stay down imo.
Shame Norfolkimp wasnt there as we were bloody fantastic,exciting times coming up at the bank in the next few seasons ! Season tickets for adults are now on sale at £399 for wanting to watch lincolnshires no1 football team !
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Shame Norfolkimp wasnt there as we were bloody fantastic,exciting times coming up at the bank in the next few seasons ! Season tickets for adults are now on sale at £399 for wanting to watch lincolnshires no1 football team !
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The only excited person at the bank will be the local branch manager; he can sell all your assets when your debt gets too much to cope with.
Sorry Heiseinberg ,BUT WE DONT HAVE ANY DEBT,it gets wiped out every year by the owners.
Next year before anybody is expected to be around £3million loss .I also repeat that we have a billionaire majority owner now who loves our club and city !
Sorry Heiseinberg ,BUT WE DONT HAVE ANY DEBT,it gets wiped out every year by the owners.
Next year before anybody is expected to be around £3million loss .I also repeat that we have a billionaire majority owner now who loves our club and city !
Can you provide evidence of Harvey Jabara being a billionaire? Cause I can't find any. There's a Gary Jabara that's got an estimated net worth of $1 billion but that's not who owns your club.
Well i havent asked him but i am very reliably he is with all his business/sporting interests.Even if he isnt quite there he aint far off and helps wipe the debt at the moment !
Also, why does he love your club, was he born in Lincoln,family from there, does he attend any games, if none of the above seems a bit strange that someone is prepared to lose cash every year with no actual interest.
Yes he and his family come over at regular intervals in the season ! No he is american and no known lincolnshire relatives! Well i guess he wanted to get involved with British football and like Clive Nates he wanted to experience the game at a lower level than premiership and build up the right club up the leagues.He likes the club,the city and the people( our chairman is a top person).
Why cant he love us and be involved ie hands on.The stated aim is gradual improvement and championship football,which with our ex leeds coach is looking more and more likely as we speak.He is good friends with Landon Donovan who found him our club after talking to many.
Yes he and his family come over at regular intervals in the season ! No he is american and no known lincolnshire relatives! Well i guess he wanted to get involved with British football and like Clive Nates he wanted to experience the game at a lower level than premiership and build up the right club up the leagues.He likes the club,the city and the people( our chairman is a top person).
Why cant he love us and be involved ie hands on.The stated aim is gradual improvement and championship football,which with our ex leeds coach is looking more and more likely as we speak.He is good friends with Landon Donovan who found him our club after talking to many.
You are on a turbo charge right now tbf Big Steve at Stevenage might be getting worried about that 6th spot.
Yeah big game tonight ! Pish v stevenage .Hate both clubs/managers but posh must win i feel.Biggest rivals for last poff space is Blackpool imo. Think we will just miss out but very excited for next season.Season tkt purchase next wk !
Cambridge didn’t even play that badly either tbh, and will be fine with Gary Monk in charge.
11 goals in 2 games is the best since 2006 when we beat Rochdale 7-1 and Barnet 5-0 away when Jamie Forrester grabbed hat-tricks in both. Jack Moylan scored a brace again and got a marvellous assist too.
One game at a time, and trying my hardest not to get too giddy.
Not going to happen he has stated he is here for the long time ! He also is very clever that his wife and sons love it as well.Sustainable well we will see,as were getting to the stage where our young squad will be eventually sold to make it more sustainable!
Is any club bar the premiershite sustainable ,i would suggest not.Preston look to lose £12million a year which is bonkers.
I’m not sure how many premiership clubs are sustainable in any normal definition of that word. When you are allowed to lose £35 million a year under the FFP rules, and are reliant on billionaires pumping millions in each year to cover the losses it’s not really a sustainable business model.
Of the 92 prem and EFL clubs I think more than 60 have been in admin at one time or another, several on more than one occasion. I can’t think of any other business sector where two thirds of the business go bust, and then carry on under new owners but continue to lose money. It crazy really isn’t it.
You can convince yourself that being the play thing of a rich businessman with no real link to the club or the area is fine, and I am sure it is in the short term. After all you get to see a winning team which is great. But we have seen this sort of thing time and time again. I am sure the Scunthorpe fans were happy to take Swann’s cash when they were pushing for promotion from L1. Same with Rushdon and Diamonds. Remember them?
I think Lincoln's owners are decent Ron tbf , they are essentially gifting them money ; not asset stripping them or leveraging a load of debt against the club. I think like our's their long term plan is a sustainable club with good player trading .
Even if they walked away Lincoln would be debt free but no doubt have to cut their cloth somewhat .
I think both Lincoln and Town will be in a much better position off the pitch once their current custodians call it a day , what that actually equates to on the pitch is anyone's guess as I'm not sure how the game is going to go - it seems to be getting crazier by the week .
I dont need convincing because i trust them as people ! Swann ran out of his wifes money i believe ( thank god he didnt buy us when he agreed to),Rushden and Diamonds owner Max Grigg/Gregg i believe died and lets be honest it was 2 village teams merged in an area with loads of clubs already .
Rich mans plaything maybe so to a degree, i dont think its much difference to your owners who are pumping money in ! Dont see why our diverse ownership group will stay around any shorter time than your own .
Anyway we shall see how we both progress over the next few years,i know who i think will survive and prosper the most and hand on heart i bet most sane thinkers on here do to.
I dont need convincing because i trust them as people ! Swann ran out of his wifes money i believe ( thank god he didnt buy us when he agreed to),Rushden and Diamonds owner Max Grigg/Gregg i believe died and lets be honest it was 2 village teams merged in an area with loads of clubs already .
Rich mans plaything maybe so to a degree, i dont think its much difference to your owners who are pumping money in ! Dont see why our diverse ownership group will stay around any shorter time than your own .
Anyway we shall see how we both progress over the next few years,i know who i think will survive and prosper the most and hand on heart i bet most sane thinkers on here do to.
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Swann tried to buy you? Blimey. You dodged a bullet there. But no doubt in the first few years of his ownership the Scunny fans held him in the high regard that you hold your owners. Owners are always popular when they are shovelling tons of cash into the black hole of small club finances.
Maybe you are right. Maybe these guys will keep on throwing millions down the shute to please 8,000 football fans of a small club. Maybe.
I don’t know what will happen any more than you do. But looking at what has happened to dozens of clubs previously surely it must be a concern? Why is this any different?
Yeah Swann shook hands on a deal in a lincoln pub near the castle! He renagde a day or 2 latas i believe. Yes we missed Scunnys championship / league 1 days but in hindsight thank god we did!
Lets just see where it all goes,you somehow get a new ground and you will be away flying again. I believe we have some good years to come and will.see how it all develops !
Yeah Swann shook hands on a deal in a lincoln pub near the castle! He renagde a day or 2 latas i believe. Yes we missed Scunnys championship / league 1 days but in hindsight thank god we did!
Lets just see where it all goes,you somehow get a new ground and you will be away flying again. I believe we have some good years to come and will.see how it all develops !
I think your immediate future is better than ours. I can’t see us getting a new ground any time soon.
We had some great years in the Championship but I can’t see that happening again unless we get a fairy godmother!!
Anyway, good luck. Hope you make it into the championship. You would have some truly memorable experiences there.
I don’t mean any criticism of our owners here but if they are pumping money into Grimsby it’s with a bike pump, not a fire hose.
It's about a million a season . Lincoln's owners is about 3 million .
You could argue that the extra 2 million is just to be competive in league 1 (the clubs turnovers are pretty similiar) , bridging the gap so to speak , if we ever manage to get up we would more than likely need to do the same or be in a relegation battle every year .
Sadly the greedy prem teams just want more and more ! Killing any real hope of competiveness bar the top 10 cant agree the new deal and just about killed the fa cup now with no replays.Your run and ours i doubt will happen again,killing the romance of football ( shame it wasnt the league cup )so they can play more european games and an expanded world club competition! Plus a ridiculous world cup.48? Teams.
Indeed. It’s all about more games for the TV companies. The players in the top clubs will be playing so many games that the clubs will have huge squads to cope with the high level of injuries that will result.
Indeed. It’s all about more games for the TV companies. The players in the top clubs will be playing so many games that the clubs will have huge squads to cope with the high level of injuries that will result.
But it will give prem managers more opportunity to complain about the number of games as they board the plane to Bangkok for a friendly.
Miss Scunthorpe. Not a beauty pageant, just sound advice.
It's about a million a season . Lincoln's owners is about 3 million .
You could argue that the extra 2 million is just to be competive in league 1 (the clubs turnovers are pretty similiar) , bridging the gap so to speak , if we ever manage to get up we would more than likely need to do the same or be in a relegation battle every year .
This is why a profitable player trading model is so important as it helps bridge that gap. We can't rely on 1878 continuously plugging that gap because one day they won't do it anymore for whatever reason.
This is why a profitable player trading model is so important as it helps bridge that gap. We can't rely on 1878 continuously plugging that gap because one day they won't do it anymore for whatever reason.
Yes. And the profit we made on Conteh is obviously the way to go. But that relies on us spotting such players ahead of other clubs. Hence the important of the recruitment specialist.
Obviously we have been building contacts up in Ireland and signing young players to develop. Not sure its still a great place to find talent anymore however you guys might not know but you can now look worldwide for talent ! Our recruitment team have a database i was told of 8500+ players.They obviosly would not say where from but apparently have 1 to sign in the summer already ,you apparently can sign 2 players(wildcards) worldwide.
Obviously we have been building contacts up in Ireland and signing young players to develop. Not sure its still a great place to find talent anymore however you guys might not know but you can now look worldwide for talent ! Our recruitment team have a database i was told of 8500+ players.They obviosly would not say where from but apparently have 1 to sign in the summer already ,you apparently can sign 2 players(wildcards) worldwide.
Mate we had Chinas Captain playing for us whilst you were still counting to 10 on one of your hand
Obviously we have been building contacts up in Ireland and signing young players to develop. Not sure its still a great place to find talent anymore however you guys might not know but you can now look worldwide for talent ! Our recruitment team have a database i was told of 8500+ players.They obviosly would not say where from but apparently have 1 to sign in the summer already ,you apparently can sign 2 players(wildcards) worldwide.
That's true the last bit ,Artell talked about it in a recent interview so it will be interesting to see what 'out of the box ' signings clubs make .
Yes. And the profit we made on Conteh is obviously the way to go. But that relies on us spotting such players ahead of other clubs. Hence the important of the recruitment specialist.
Funny you mention Conteh, I thought he looked decent for you, but watching him yesterday for Bristol Rovers he as completely outclassed by Ethan Erhahon.
16 goals in 3 games is frankly ridiculous, and the first time ever that The Imps have scored 5 or more in 3 successive games. Good to see 9,000 Imps fans back inside the ground again too.
I honestly thought the Playoffs were a pipe dream a week ago, now with a 13 day much needed break, it’s very much ON.
Yes. And the profit we made on Conteh is obviously the way to go. But that relies on us spotting such players ahead of other clubs. Hence the important of the recruitment specialist.
Funny you mention Conteh, I thought he looked pretty decent for you, but watching him yesterday for Bristol Rovers he was completely outclassed by Ethan Erhahon.
16 goals in 3 games is frankly ridiculous, and the first time ever that The Imps have scored 5 or more in 3 successive games. Good to see 9,000 Imps fans back inside the ground again too.
I honestly thought the Playoffs were a pipe dream a week ago, now with a 13 day much needed break, it’s very much ON.
Funny you mention Conteh, I thought he looked pretty decent for you, but watching him yesterday for Bristol Rovers he was completely outclassed by Ethan Erhahon.
16 goals in 3 games is frankly ridiculous, and the first time ever that The Imps have scored 5 or more in 3 successive games. Good to see 9,000 Imps fans back inside the ground again too.
I honestly thought the Playoffs were a pipe dream a week ago, now with a 13 day much needed break, it’s very much ON.
For the 76 min Erhahon was in the pitch before getting sent off?
Lincoln are playing well and on a run that could see them do well in the play offs, the investment is clearly moving them forward. Their progress will be sustainable whilst they have owners who will sustain, completely different challenge if they do go up though.
I think it’s funny that their supporters come on here giving it the big un.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
Funny you mention Conteh, I thought he looked pretty decent for you, but watching him yesterday for Bristol Rovers he was completely outclassed by Ethan Erhahon.
16 goals in 3 games is frankly ridiculous, and the first time ever that The Imps have scored 5 or more in 3 successive games. Good to see 9,000 Imps fans back inside the ground again too.
I honestly thought the Playoffs were a pipe dream a week ago, now with a 13 day much needed break, it’s very much ON.
9000 fans, on "Kids for a quid" day... probably the wrong day to have chosen that to be fair as I think you'd probably have got the same number yesterday but paying full price.
A 13 day break when you are on a great run, not lost in quarter of a season. I'd have thought the last thing the players and management will want is a break of that length? Keep the momentum going whilst you can. It'll refresh legs, that's for sure, but could perhaps knock a bit out of the momentum.
9000 fans, on "Kids for a quid" day... probably the wrong day to have chosen that to be fair as I think you'd probably have got the same number yesterday but paying full price.
A 13 day break when you are on a great run, not lost in quarter of a season. I'd have thought the last thing the players and management will want is a break of that length? Keep the momentum going whilst you can. It'll refresh legs, that's for sure, but could perhaps knock a bit out of the momentum.
Let’s give them credit, they are killing it right now. Playoff certainties. Fair play. That new manager is working wonders.
Mind you, if they go up, those £3m annual write-offs the owner sanctions will seem small fry - the Bristol city owner has to sign a cheque for £25m each year, and they’ve never even troubled the Prem. Crazy land.
Let’s give them credit, they are killing it right now. Playoff certainties. Fair play. That new manager is working wonders.
Mind you, if they go up, those £3m annual write-offs the owner sanctions will seem small fry - the Bristol city owner has to sign a cheque for £25m each year, and they’ve never even troubled the Prem. Crazy land.
League 1 is better-the-devil-you-know…….
I am giving them credit!!
Like I say, when you're going well the last thing you want to do is stop which is what they are doing for a fortnight.
Let it or not they have some very good players and the squad probably has a sizeable transfer value .
That’s certainly true, but it was so too for Scunny not so long ago. They’ve had some unbelievable players on their books in the last 15 years or so - Billy Sharp, Andy Keogh, Martin Paterson, Gary Hooper, Conor Townsend, Duane Holmes - off the top of my head (there will be more).
Don’t get me wrong, it seems Lincoln are in much better hands than Scunny were under Swann, but you always have to be careful when success is built on a large promotion of inorganic income. It worked well for Bournemouth, it worked a lot less well for them down the A180.
The exit / succession plan will be the ultimate litmus test of ownerships of this nature. It’s not a like-for-like comparison, I know, but Fleetwood are about to be the latest club to find this out.
A very good argument regarding sustainability, and no it really isn’t.
I think all Imps under the age of 70 (that’s probably 99%) just want 1 season in the 2nd Tier because that’s how long we’d last. Becoming a yo-yo club like Rotherham would be an attractive proposition though come to think of it. Promotion (as Champions preferably) one year, relegation the next.
Time will tell of course, my main concern is how long Skubala will last before he is snapped up, which he undoubtedly will be if he carries on like this?
A very good argument regarding sustainability, and no it really isn’t.
I think all Imps under the age of 70 (that’s probably 99%) just want 1 season in the 2nd Tier because that’s how long we’d last. Becoming a yo-yo club like Rotherham would be an attractive proposition though come to think of it. Promotion (as Champions preferably) one year, relegation the next.
Time will tell of course, my main concern is how long Skubala will last before he is snapped up, which he undoubtedly will be if he carries on like this?
The issue with fans is they are fickle and don't always care for the situation apart from what goes on , on a Saturday between 3pm and 5pm . Rotherham are a prime example they are running at a sustainable small loss but getting torched every week with 1/4th the budget of everyone else in the league . Their fans are not happy but what can you realistically expect ?
It's a bizarre and unique scenario when the better you do , the more you have to lose in terms of capital investment . The only recent examples are Rotherham & Wycombe who have not gone potty up there and neither lasted /will last long . Even the so called smaller clubs Brighton , Brentford , Luton and Bournemouth had heavy heavy investment to go right through .
How Lincoln would go about The Champ if they got there could be interesting I suppose , whether the owners would be willing to plough in 15-20 million to potentially still be in a relegation battle without getting much back ; I doubt that's something they would do .
It makes me laugh when you see fans saying that their club is 'too big ' for certain leagues - Bradford , Derby and Sunderland fans being primary examples . There are no big or small clubs anymore it's: the rich , wrong uns , the reckless and the sensible sometimes a variant of all 4 but the game has changed immeasurably to how many of us recognised it ,even in the last decade .
That’s certainly true, but it was so too for Scunny not so long ago. They’ve had some unbelievable players on their books in the last 15 years or so - Billy Sharp, Andy Keogh, Martin Paterson, Gary Hooper, Conor Townsend, Duane Holmes - off the top of my head (there will be more).
Don’t get me wrong, it seems Lincoln are in much better hands than Scunny were under Swann, but you always have to be careful when success is built on a large promotion of inorganic income. It worked well for Bournemouth, it worked a lot less well for them down the A180.
The exit / succession plan will be the ultimate litmus test of ownerships of this nature. It’s not a like-for-like comparison, I know, but Fleetwood are about to be the latest club to find this out.
The Fleetwood situation is weird because he's effectively still running them from behind bars with his offspring the majority shareholders on the books .
A very good argument regarding sustainability, and no it really isn’t.
I think all Imps under the age of 70 (that’s probably 99%) just want 1 season in the 2nd Tier because that’s how long we’d last. Becoming a yo-yo club like Rotherham would be an attractive proposition though come to think of it. Promotion (as Champions preferably) one year, relegation the next.
Time will tell of course, my main concern is how long Skubala will last before he is snapped up, which he undoubtedly will be if he carries on like this?
You have a great chance of going up. Your momentum is tremendous at the moment. It is certainly worth getting into the championship because you are bound to have a few truly memorable away days win lose or draw. When we were up there we won at Chelsea, Newcastle, Wolves, Sheffield United, and many others. I can scarcely believe that now.
Starting in 1980 we actually spent 17 of the next 22 seasons in the championship. I think that is more or less impossible for a club of our size now. What really did for us was the ITV Digital fiasco. We were promised millions, brought in expensive players in expectation of getting the funding, and were then left high and dry when the TV companies pulled the plug and the inept EFL had neglected to get a parent company guarantee. It's been pretty much a downward spiral since then.
Let’s give them credit, they are killing it right now. Playoff certainties. Fair play. That new manager is working wonders.
Mind you, if they go up, those £3m annual write-offs the owner sanctions will seem small fry - the Bristol city owner has to sign a cheque for £25m each year, and they’ve never even troubled the Prem. Crazy land.
League 1 is better-the-devil-you-know…….
There's giving them credit and then there's going OTT. Playoff certainties? They're in a five team battle for the last spot and they're two points off that spot right now. They're on a superb run but L1 is an unforgiving division and form can just disappear. Nobody seems to be able to hack the pressure of holding onto that 6th spot. Lincoln are favourites looking at current form but I wouldn't be surprised to see them get in the driving seat and bottle it.
There's giving them credit and then there's going OTT. Playoff certainties? They're in a five team battle for the last spot and they're two points off that spot right now. They're on a superb run but L1 is an unforgiving division and form can just disappear. Nobody seems to be able to hack the pressure of holding onto that 6th spot. Lincoln are favourites looking at current form but I wouldn't be surprised to see them get in the driving seat and bottle it.
Didn't they come from absolutely nowhere to make the League Two play-offs in the 2005/06 season, where they faced (and lost) to us?
Didn't they come from absolutely nowhere to make the League Two play-offs in the 2005/06 season, where they faced (and lost) to us?
Yeah, they certainly weren't up there for a big chunk of the season. Had some decent players, Forrester and Frecklington ripped us apart at Sincil Bank in the league. Most of the players in both lineups either fell into the physical (fast or cloggery) or silky bracket. Even despite a lack of pace, Gary Jones was arguably the one player in both squads that was most well rounded and he was the diffedence in the playoff semi. Quite how we got his red card rescinded for the final, I'll never know.
Yeah, they certainly weren't up there for a big chunk of the season. Had some decent players, Forrester and Frecklington ripped us apart at Sincil Bank in the league. Most of the players in both lineups either fell into the physical (fast or cloggery) or silky bracket. Even despite a lack of pace, Gary Jones was arguably the one player in both squads that was most well rounded and he was the diffedence in the playoff semi. Quite how we got his red card rescinded for the final, I'll never know.
I tried to find footage of the incident on Twitter, but all l was able to find was evidence that if you’re called Gary Jones, red cards don’t count.
I tried to find footage of the incident on Twitter, but all l was able to find was evidence that if you’re called Gary Jones, red cards don’t count.
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Ha!
I thought I was watching the 5-0 defeat here for at first, have no recollection of two Lincoln offside goals at the start of the tie but here are the highlights from both playoff matches, about 5:30 for Lump's red...
Absolute limbs in the away end in the first leg when we score.
There's giving them credit and then there's going OTT. Playoff certainties? They're in a five team battle for the last spot and they're two points off that spot right now. They're on a superb run but L1 is an unforgiving division and form can just disappear. Nobody seems to be able to hack the pressure of holding onto that 6th spot. Lincoln are favourites looking at current form but I wouldn't be surprised to see them get in the driving seat and bottle it.
I would personally be surprised if we would get a play - off place. As mentioned, we are on a great run, but I thought we missed an opportunity against Stevenage who, despite what Steve Evans said, parked the bus and spoiled a game of football. What is remarkable is we are missing our two central midfielders in Hamilton and McGrandles who are both excellent, Now with Erhannon banned we will have a conundrum.
Not going to get on really on the financial issues discussed, but what I would say is we are debt free (Despite the losses), they are not saddled on the club or against assets. What we do have going for us is that we have marketable assets now in players (Bar Taylor) who is Luton's player. We were always short of strikers as there is such a big gap in L2 and L1 - You can see that with what the lad on loan from us at Donny Adelukan) is doing by tearing up the league - He was out his depth in L1 by a distance.
We have 2-3 players in my opinion that would command fee's near 7 figures and fortunately we own them - But, when we sell, which we will do, it is how we replace them.
As a side issue as mentioned on previous posts I always thought you would be safe, it would have been a travesty if a club with your history and fanbase were in the National League again - Plenty deserve to be down there and probably are more comfortable there - With a bit of Luck it will be Forest Green.
A basic question, for the 2 playoff games shown above Lincoln played in their red/ white stripes kit both games but we played in our blue away kit at their place and obviously our black/white shirts at home.
I would personally be surprised if we would get a play - off place. As mentioned, we are on a great run, but I thought we missed an opportunity against Stevenage who, despite what Steve Evans said, parked the bus and spoiled a game of football. What is remarkable is we are missing our two central midfielders in Hamilton and McGrandles who are both excellent, Now with Erhannon banned we will have a conundrum.
As much as it irks me to say it Steve Evans has done a superb job there. I'm pleased that he does this in interviews though as I feel I'd have to give him more begrudged credit if he just came out and owned what they are, which is arguably the best team in the while EFL and parking the bus and grinding you down into a low scoring defeat.
As much as it irks me to say it Steve Evans has done a superb job there. I'm pleased that he does this in interviews though as I feel I'd have to give him more begrudged credit if he just came out and owned what they are, which is arguably the best team in the while EFL and parking the bus and grinding you down into a low scoring defeat.
They're doing well to feck it all up recently though.
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They're doing well to feck it all up recently though.
We can live in hope - He, as mentioned, clearly he can get a tune out of a certain type of player, but his team are limited but effective. I think they will drop off - As for us, we have 2 key games out of the 7 left, Oxford away and we have Portsmouth at home last game of the season, which potentially could be complete chaos if a lot is riding on the game.
We can live in hope - He, as mentioned, clearly he can get a tune out of a certain type of player, but his team are limited but effective. I think they will drop off - As for us, we have 2 key games out of the 7 left, Oxford away and we have Portsmouth at home last game of the season, which potentially could be complete chaos if a lot is riding on the game.
Stevenage have a key player injured (top scorer, name escapes me) and their players are knackered. Evans has played a limited number of players this season and apparently it's beginning to show (it's suggested that he doesn't trust the rest of the squad at this level). I am reliably informed that the bubble has burst and a higher mid table finish is on the cards. Most Stevenage fans are just delighted that this season has gone the way it has as most were expecting a battle against relegation.
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Stevenage have a key player injured (top scorer, name escapes me) and their players are knackered. Evans has played a limited number of players this season and apparently it's beginning to show (it's suggested that he doesn't trust the rest of the squad at this level). I am reliably informed that the bubble has burst and a higher mid table finish is on the cards. Most Stevenage fans are just delighted that this season has gone the way it has as most were expecting a battle against relegation.
It doesn’t seem that long ago that they were fighting relegation from L2. I think the season they went up many of us thought they were destined for the NL.
It doesn’t seem that long ago that they were fighting relegation from L2. I think the season they went up many of us thought they were destined for the NL.
It's a fight they technically lost. Having amassed just 22 points from 36 games when the 19/20 season was curtailed by the pandemic, Stevenage were bottom of the table on PPG (the calculation used by the EFL to determine each club's finishing position). They were officially relegated, only to be reprieved as late as the August after the EFL were successful in adding a deducting a further 4 points to Macclesfield's initial 2 point deduction for financial misconduct.
If that wasn't fortunate enough, Macclesfield's deduction still left Stevenage comfortably second from bottom; it just so happened that only one club were to be relegated that season due to Bury's prior expulsion from the league. The jammy bástards - absolutely mental to think they could be playing Championship football next season.
Stevenage have a key player injured (top scorer, name escapes me) and their players are knackered. Evans has played a limited number of players this season and apparently it's beginning to show (it's suggested that he doesn't trust the rest of the squad at this level). I am reliably informed that the bubble has burst and a higher mid table finish is on the cards. Most Stevenage fans are just delighted that this season has gone the way it has as most were expecting a battle against relegation.
I agree regardless they have had a great season - There are a few clubs who I imagine have exceeded expectations - Leyton Orient being another.
I just think we will eventually miss our midfield 2, and with Portsmouth at home last game of the season, and them potentially being crowned champions we could not have a harder game. I think it will be Oxford or Blackpool, unfortunately.
I agree regardless they have had a great season - There are a few clubs who I imagine have exceeded expectations - Leyton Orient being another.
I just think we will eventually miss our midfield 2, and with Portsmouth at home last game of the season, and them potentially being crowned champions we could not have a harder game. I think it will be Oxford or Blackpool, unfortunately.
I'm not sure Orient have exceeded expectations. They were the first team we played when we returned to the league last year and I remember leaving the ground thinking 'christ, if that's the standard of League 2 we're in for a long season'.
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I'm not sure Orient have exceeded expectations. They were the first team we played when we returned to the league last year and I remember leaving the ground thinking 'christ, if that's the standard of League 2 we're in for a long season'.
Mmm, I am not so sure, I think being a fringe play off team was probably beyond what they thought they could achieve - Decent manager though and some decent players. I would have expected the teams at the top to be where they are and probably the teams at the bottom too - I thought Charlton would have been higher, Reading and Wigan have obviously been hampered by points deductions but are both decent teams.
Eventually there'll be a straw that breaks the camels back. Either they'll have a very poor season and the vast majority of the new fans (which is approximately 5000 of their regular 7500 at home games) will stop going or the funding will be cut leading to a poor season and get the same outcome. They'll eventually be back to their natural level and back to having less than 5000 at home games.
9,000 home fans, a complete sell out in a gate just shy of 10,000 (segregation permitting) to see The Imps unbeaten run stretch to 14 games.
Fitting that an ex-Academy player came off the bench to snatch a sublime last minute winner against a very decent Orient side.
9 wins in that run btw with only 4 goals conceded, that’s without our entire first choice midfield (Erhahon, Hamilton & McGrandles) missing.
Can we feasibly match the Club record unbeaten 18 game run from 1980, but that was over 2 seasons with 9 wins and 9 draws?
Bottom club and relegation certainties Carlisle up next …. you just know what’s coming don’t you?
Congratulations on staying up 91’ … will you be purchasing a Micheal Jolly type ‘Great Escape’ dvd for this improbable achievement?
The Imps meanwhile maintained their unbeaten run to 16 games, with a hard fought 1-1 draw away at Reading. Disappointing to concede from a simple set piece late on, thus dropping out of the play-offs in the process.
No easy games at this stage, but still in the mix … I’ll keep you updated.
Good luck to them. Minor rivals IMO compared to Scunts and Mudrats. Realistically, we can't compete with Hull nowadays and Scunts are playing park football. We're still sleeping and I'll be glad when we can all have a break from this awful season.
Good luck to them. Minor rivals IMO compared to Scunts and Mudrats. Realistically, we can't compete with Hull nowadays and Scunts are playing park football. We're still sleeping and I'll be glad when we can all have a break from this awful season.
Cheers JP, for you and several others I’m genuinely glad you won’t suffer the ignominy of Division 5 once again, it’s been a rotten couple of decades and you deserve better.
As for the Imps, well after 3 disallowed goals on Saturday and a last minute defeat to finally end the unbeaten run v Wigan, we bounced back in a huge 6 pointer v Oxford.
2 games left, 2 points behind, it would be nice to take it to the Final Day and still be in with a chance of the playoffs. Both games sold out, anything can happen in this crazy game we all love? 🤷♂️
Cheers JP, for you and several others I’m genuinely glad you won’t suffer the ignominy of Division 5 once again, it’s been a rotten couple of decades and you deserve better.
As for the Imps, well after 3 disallowed goals on Saturday and a last minute defeat to finally end the unbeaten run v Wigan, we bounced back in a huge 6 pointer v Oxford.
2 games left, 2 points behind, it would be nice to take it to the Final Day and still be in with a chance of the playoffs. Both games sold out, anything can happen in this crazy game we all love? 🤷♂️
All these things are just a snapshot in time. Just like our years at Championship level and your 10 years in league 5. Remember you have only reached the dizzy heights of league 3 and even Scunthorpe managed some seasons at Championship level so not sure your faux sincerity is justified.
Major New Investment at our club ! 12.6 or 12.9% of the holding company.Yes there American but highly usefull if we did enter the bonkers world of the championship.
So anybody who says people arent out there you need to start looking! This has come about after a meeting 2years ago.
Major New Investment at our club ! 12.6 or 12.9% of the holding company.Yes there American but highly usefull if we did enter the bonkers world of the championship.
So anybody who says people arent out there you need to start looking! This has come about after a meeting 2years ago.
I think with ourselves- Jason and Andrew- Rightly or wrongly are looking for investment from those who allign with what they want.
i dont see how we as a club can move forward without a lot of investment, as shown with you guys at Lincoln
Yes Hagrid they will need lots of help as jf ran you down and down im afaid BUT your new CEO could do no worse than taking ours for lunch and picking his brains on revenue streams etc etc and joking apart its going to take a 5yr+ plan ,like it or not.
Sadly the greed of the premiershite has made everything about money.
You know what, that's even more of a feather in the cap for Lincoln as they try to level up the playing field a bit in their league.
In some ways it's a slap in the face as we're not getting outside investment, but as Hagrid points out it's clearly not a case that people aren't out there - it's about if they align with what 1878 deem as the vision. I know that's uncomfortable for some people because it feels like we're treading water (at best) without that injection of funds.
But I'm still sceptical about all this investment at Sincil Bank. The opening line of the official club statement says it all:
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Ron and Andrew Fowler have joined the investment group at Lincoln City through their Liquid Investments, Inc. entity.
Investment group. That's people who are coming together with the belief that they'll get a return on their investment in a product. This isn't a case of donation or charity, they'll want something back. I just don't get what the return is going to be. I'm not a business mind and I'm asking lay person questions here. Where's the return on millions of pounds investment in a League One side with a natural ceiling? It will take an astronomical amount of investment/debt to compete in the second tier and even then it's not an appealing sell to a future investor is it?
Bringing it back to GTFC - our position isn't all too different, albeit further down the chain and earlier in the journey. We need investment to progress but long term security of the club shouldn't be compromised. 1878 are smart people, they'll want a return on their investment too and we can't kid ourselves of that. The comfort is in the fact that they're Town fans in the first place.
It'll be interesting in say 5 or 10 years time to see how the investment at Lincoln has panned out.
Where's the return on millions of pounds investment in a League One side with a natural ceiling? .
There is no return, and the natural ceiling has already been reached if not bettered this season.
The Imps are about the 13th biggest club in terms of attendances and revenues in the 3rd Tier. Yet here we are 1 game away from reaching the play-offs.
I honestly didn’t think The Cowley years would ever be topped, but I may need to re-evaluate this?
Why are these people with no link to the city sudden happy to invest millions in the club? What is the end game? There must be some plan otherwise they are simply wasting their money for no reason.
No-one, or should I say very few, will invest in a football club with no return. The people who do that are at least one of filthy rich, incredibly generous/blinded by their long standing affiliation with the club or stupid. That I'm aware of none of the Lincoln investment group match that criteria.
They'll want something back. There has to be a point where the level of investment made more than outstrips the potential for a return. The phrase pissing into the wind comes to mind.
Think it's obvious with the Imps and a seemingly supportive Council and growing fanbase the return on investment will come via a new ground .No reason they can't fill a 15k stadium. They are and have been the lower league model to follow on and off the pitch since the Cowley’s. We're miles behind thanks to Fenty but I think the gap will close over the next 12-18 months. The problem with that view we need to see winning football I and many others are sick of watching urine poor football in the EFL.
Genuinely till i have a moment to ask the question why then i dont disagree with your sceptism.However yet again though the £2million is in share capital not loans! Something i believe the Wrexham americans have ( loans). It is hard to fathom for Imps everywhere but we are not extremely wealthy individuals are we? I dont know what powers multi multi millionaires and we havent heard from the newest investors yet.However we are now in the stage of high network individuals( companies) who are friends of friends and who have vast sporting experience ,yes in american sport,but successfull.They are all stated the community.angle of the club.Also maybe they like the angle of sticking it up the big clubs and you scoff a sustainable approach in buying and selling players and not throwing absolutely loads of money like a premiershite club.
Who knows ,but the future of the club is bloody exciting i can tell you.
Was talk of a new stadium built as part of the Western Growth Corridor but that has really seems to have cooled off (not sure the club were ever actually on board with that) and the plans overall seem to get watered down every time I see something.
I still don’t get it. The Wrexham thing is a gigantic vanity project by people with a very high media profile. Doesn’t seem to be the case with Lincoln. I am not having a go here, but am simply struggling to understand what is going on. In my experience US investors are not known for just throwing money around with no strategy for making a return.
I wish Lincoln well in their current endeavours. I would, however, be wary of the Yanks. Prime ones to look at are the Glaziers who wanted Man U for money and the first thing they did was to put the club into debt! I'm not saying they were not in debt before the takeover, but they added a few million to it.
So let Lincoln enjoy a good time while they can and remember the iron whose previous owners dropped them like a ton of hotcakes. We will more than likely pass them in the next few seasons as they leave L1 and we replace them.
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I will probably get slaughtered for this but think it would be great if Town, Lincoln, Scunny and Donny were all in L1 slugging it out in the top ten. Think of all those amazing darby games.
I wish Lincoln well in their current endeavours. I would, however, be wary of the Yanks. Prime ones to look at are the Glaziers who wanted Man U for money and the first thing they did was to put the club into debt! I'm not saying they were not in debt before the takeover, but they added a few million to it.
So let Lincoln enjoy a good time while they can and remember the iron whose previous owners dropped them like a ton of hotcakes. We will more than likely pass them in the next few seasons as they leave L1 and we replace them.
I believe Man Utd were debt-free before the Glazers got involved, but immediately plunged them into £800m worth of debt by effectively taking out a loan under the club’s name to buy it - I still don’t get how they pulled that one off! And they were accruing something like £45m interest every year (when I say “they”, I mean their fans).
I am no fan of Man Utd at all, but the Glazers ruined that club.
It's a completely different scenario though - all the investment in Lincoln is in share capital so they are not accruing any debt whatsoever .
The only way these stakeholders will see a return on their investment is if Lincoln go right through you would have thought , maybe that's their plan I suppose we will get a better indication if they make it to The Champ whether these high net worth individuals are willing to throw serious money at it to chase the dream or if it's just a bit of fun with what is pocket money for them .
Whatever happens I highly doubt Lincoln will go the way of our neighbours and various others , the worst case scenario is the investment dries up and they get bored or whatever and Lincoln have to revert back to a more break even type model .
As much as it pains me to say it , these are exciting times if you are an Imps fan .
Yep that's pretty much it regards Man Utd, a leveraged buyout.
The thing is though, despite having that huge amount of debt and the large dividends paid out each year (mainly to the Glazers), they still should have been competitive. They were still spending enough money to challenge for major honours on a more often than not basis. Their failings isn't because of how the Glazers have sadddled them with debt, it's because of how badly they've been run from a footballing side.
The major issue facing them in the next decade or so will be the state of Old Trafford. It's crumbling and has fallen well behind other stadiums from the casual fan perspective and also from a corporate point of view. They've always had a huge draw in the international market, but with over 10 years of comparative failure and having seen the emergence of City plus the re-emergence of Liverpool and Arsenal in that time, it does beg the question how they'll continue to draw fans from outside the UK/hold onto their existing international fans. A 14-year-old kid in Singapore doesn't recognise Man Utd as a global force anymore than they do Brentford.
Thankyou Mappers ,it is very exciting and i havent seen many of the championship clubs in my time.It is bonkers in the championship with i believe Prestons owners funding there club @£12million a year to just stay in the championship.
We shall see the future how it pans out ,the premiershite clubs arent making it any easier for anyone with their greed however Bournemouth and Luton must be our role models to try and break into the premier league.
I would suggest that Yodas stated comment about being bust in 2years is laughable and DB you arent passing us on the way down anytime very soon if your serious are you?
I suppose it's just possible that the game plan is to get Lincoln into the Prem, where they would have gigantic TV and sponsorship income, and then sell the club for a substantial profit. Bournemouth got up there with a 12,000 capacity stadium. At that level the gate receipts are not the the most significant income stream.
Premier league clubs sell for hundreds of millions, and in some cases billions. So investing 50 million or so to get there might be a bold though risky strategy. But you can see an end game. Even if you don't sell the club you could plunder it for huge dividends each year.
You can buy yourself out of L1. The problem is getting out of the championship. Derby spent £200 million a few years and didn't make it. Well, they did. But not in the direction they had hoped for.
] The only way these stakeholders will see a return on their investment is if Lincoln go right through you would have thought , maybe that's their plan I suppose we will get a better indication if they make it to The Champ whether these high net worth individuals are willing to throw serious money at it to chase the dream or if it's just a bit of fun with what is pocket money for them .
Right through to the Prem? Unless you get unbelievably lucky that isn't happening without chucking tens and tens of millions at it. This is from a couple of years back but the weekly losses are eye watering!
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The majority of clubs at that level, even the struggling ones, spend more on wages than they bring in. Let's not even mention other costs, that's just on wages. For a club of Lincoln's size and ground capacity to be remotely competitive they would need to spend 200% of turnover, minimum. That couldn't come from ongoing investment from Landon Donovan's mates.
If it did, if Landon keeps finding happy go lucky blokes in San Jose who are willing to chuck a few million in here and there to bridge that gap it just adds up as money invested into the club. £10mill becomes £20mill, soon becomes £50mill....£100 mill...they're investors, they'll want their money back and then some profit when it comes to selling. Who's buying Lincoln City for that amount of money?
The whole game is broken. It might be exciting at the minute for Imps fans but I can't see a long term happy ending here (and I take no pleasure in saying that, nor would I for any football club). I'm not saying the investment group are out to a) do the dirty on Lincoln or b) run them as badly as Peter Swann. But it's a business move for these guys, they'll have a timeframe where they expect to get their return. If they don't, they won't intercourse about.
Not saying what’s happening at Lincoln is good or bad, but where are the league experts in this, if a club is for sale then prospective owners have to pass some sort of test to in theory prove they are genuine and have the funds, but as at Lincoln and various other clubs that have suddenly gone “ bust” , Bury for one, are the league checking up on how current owners are managing their clubs, or is it basically once you’ve got your hands onto the club then nobody in authority cares any more. Just asking as I think a few on here are sceptical about what’s happening now and how it may pan out in the for Lincoln eventually.
To reply if i was hoping to buy a stake then sell ,the stated aim is actually the championship not the premier league ( at the moment) i would want my money as a loan .However everybody has taken this as shares/equity in the holding company and not as loaning the club millions.
All i can say is we will see what the future brings BUT honestly knowing the people involved and what has happened so far in there tenure i and everybody i know at the club trust them 150million % .
To reply if i was hoping to buy a stake then sell ,the stated aim is actually the championship not the premier league ( at the moment) i would want my money as a loan .However everybody has taken this as shares/equity in the holding company and not as loaning the club millions.
All i can say is we will see what the future brings BUT honestly knowing the people involved and what has happened so far in there tenure i and everybody i know at the club trust them 150million % .
We’ve been dog excrement for 20 years and yet here you are still in touching distance in the league above . Your club will crash and burn in 5 years
Look forward to reading their match thread later, always a hoot. Starts with...don't care what happens, I'm so proud of my team, we could lose but it won't take the shine off the last couple of months.... FT: That was excrement! The ref was against us, and they were yobs, the worst team EVER to play us since the last worst EVER team, they may be promoted but I wouldn't swap places with them blah blah....
I think it's a bit sad of some on here trying to gloat over Lincoln who have just missed out on the play-offs to get into the Championship whilst we have been garbage for most of this season and finished 2 places above dropping back into the National League.
I think it's a bit sad of some on here trying to gloat over Lincoln who have just missed out on the play-offs to get into the Championship whilst we have been garbage for most of this season and finished 2 places above dropping back into the National League.
I think it’s more a dig at the obnoxious boring tawt that gloats on here
I think it's a bit sad of some on here trying to gloat over Lincoln who have just missed out on the play-offs to get into the Championship whilst we have been garbage for most of this season and finished 2 places above dropping back into the National League.
Hi All im just back from the pub ! Defeated by the champions but not disappointed! Penalty miss ( a leg slip ) at 0-0 and then got picked off twice having to go for it with other results. Again like Yoda,It Bites is talking rubbish.However i can tell you in 5yrs time you wont be 7th in league 1 ,you wont have got out of the league your in nowunless you seriously get your act together on and off the field you maybe back in non league.You also will still be in your rotten ,cesspit of a ground.
Hi All im just back from the pub ! Defeated by the champions but not disappointed! Penalty miss ( a leg slip ) at 0-0 and then got picked off twice having to go for it with other results. Again like Yoda,It Bites is talking rubbish.However i can tell you in 5yrs time you wont be 7th in league 1 ,you wont have got out of the league your in nowunless you seriously get your act together on and off the field you maybe back in non league.You also will still be in your rotten ,cesspit of a ground.
Hi All im just back from the pub ! Defeated by the champions but not disappointed! Penalty miss ( a leg slip ) at 0-0 and then got picked off twice having to go for it with other results. Again like Yoda,It Bites is talking rubbish.However i can tell you in 5yrs time you wont be 7th in league 1 ,you wont have got out of the league your in nowunless you seriously get your act together on and off the field you maybe back in non league.You also will still be in your rotten ,cesspit of a ground.
Have a nice summer
lmao embarrassing stuff, just take the L and move on
Hi All im just back from the pub ! Defeated by the champions but not disappointed! Penalty miss ( a leg slip ) at 0-0 and then got picked off twice having to go for it with other results. Again like Yoda,It Bites is talking rubbish.However i can tell you in 5yrs time you wont be 7th in league 1 ,you wont have got out of the league your in nowunless you seriously get your act together on and off the field you maybe back in non league.You also will still be in your rotten ,cesspit of a ground.
Have a nice summer
I love the way that Lincoln fans think that Sincil W#nk has somehow turned into the San Siro because it’s hosting L1 teams!!
Hi All im just back from the pub ! Defeated by the champions but not disappointed! Penalty miss ( a leg slip ) at 0-0 and then got picked off twice having to go for it with other results. Again like Yoda,It Bites is talking rubbish.However i can tell you in 5yrs time you wont be 7th in league 1 ,you wont have got out of the league your in nowunless you seriously get your act together on and off the field you maybe back in non league.You also will still be in your rotten ,cesspit of a ground.
Have a nice summer
Fail to make the play offs, then have a go at your neighbours, absolutely you are the gift that keeps on giving.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
Hi All im just back from the pub ! Defeated by the champions but not disappointed! Penalty miss ( a leg slip ) at 0-0 and then got picked off twice having to go for it with other results. Again like Yoda,It Bites is talking rubbish.However i can tell you in 5yrs time you wont be 7th in league 1 ,you wont have got out of the league your in nowunless you seriously get your act together on and off the field you maybe back in non league.You also will still be in your rotten ,cesspit of a ground.
I was hoping the Lincoln result would give some respite from this bloke for a few weeks but sadly not. Thank goodness they didn't make the play offs and we can get our act together and ram his words down his throat.
Imagine being such an inadequate that you need to go onto the forum of a rival team to have a go after your own team has themselves lost. Just imagine. So weird, so inadequate.
Well lets face it ,the mighty mariners arent going to be able to have a go anytime soon are you.
Oh maybe if we grant you a pre season training game which nobody cares about!
Anyway buy your season tkts and you can raise funds for your new bogs
Quite sad that your self esteem and ego are dependent on the results of a lower league football team and even sadder that it’s so fragile you have to come on here making a cúnt of yourself to feel better when you lose.
Imagine being such an inadequate that you need to go onto the forum of a rival team to have a go after your own team has themselves lost. Just imagine. So weird, so inadequate.
do Lincoln even have a forum?
and to try and stretch your imagination even further, imagine, even if they did, that GTFC fans would waste their time posting on there?
sad, just very very sad - is it called an indaequacy complex?
Hi All im just back from the pub ! Defeated by the champions but not disappointed! Penalty miss ( a leg slip ) at 0-0 and then got picked off twice having to go for it with other results. Again like Yoda,It Bites is talking rubbish.However i can tell you in 5yrs time you wont be 7th in league 1 ,you wont have got out of the league your in nowunless you seriously get your act together on and off the field you maybe back in non league.You also will still be in your rotten ,cesspit of a ground.
Have a nice summer
Dave Frazer the Lincoln fan who gets home from the pub, kicks his sister and sh@gs the cat. Never mind lad keep trying.
Hi All im just back from the pub ! Defeated by the champions but not disappointed! Penalty miss ( a leg slip ) at 0-0 and then got picked off twice having to go for it with other results. Again like Yoda,It Bites is talking rubbish.However i can tell you in 5yrs time you wont be 7th in league 1 ,you wont have got out of the league your in nowunless you seriously get your act together on and off the field you maybe back in non league.You also will still be in your rotten ,cesspit of a ground.
Well lets face it ,the mighty mariners arent going to be able to have a go anytime soon are you.
Oh maybe if we grant you a pre season training game which nobody cares about!
Anyway buy your season tkts and you can raise funds for your new bogs
There are some decent Lincoln fans who come on here occasionally, I would imagine that they are embarrassed by you. You get bell ends in all walks of life and that is just you. See you… you’re a bell end you are and because there is so little in your life you keep coming back on here. It is like your dummy , I am sure that we will hear from you soon. Many of us would have been very happy for Lincoln to win yesterday in spite of you. Dummy time Frazer. utm
I will probably get slaughtered for this but think it would be great if Town, Lincoln, Scunny and Donny were all in L1 slugging it out in the top ten. Think of all those amazing darby games.
Yes, I hope Donny win the playoffs (can’t believe how good Adelakun has been for them since he left The Imps) and will no doubt sign permanently in the summer. Had some great nights out there in the late 80’s, 7th Heaven, White Bear, that church converted into a night spot, and the women were fitter than anything back home, who loved our posh accents 😉
As for yesterday, a step too far unfortunately. That penalty goes in and it’s a different story, but I do feel it was probably a season too early, although it’s vital to take an opportunity when it presents itself!
The £2m investment by the Fowler’s is perfectly timed however, to give Skoobs a full pre-season and a window to get his own players in.
So much to be positive about, both on and off the pitch, UTI 🔴⚪️
I'll ask you Norfolk Imp, as you seem slightly more sensible than David Frazer, I don't think he's a two-club warrior though so swings and roundabouts.
When's the end game for these investors? £2mill is a lot of money but it's also sodomist all in the third tier of English football (a sickening thing to write!). The improvement in Lincoln over the last 7-8 years is undeniable but largely built on constant investment, at some point those investors will want a return... When will that be and are you not concerned for the fall out if/when they cut their losses?
It's OK saying their investment has come in the form of shares not loans, but the spending of the club is aided by those investments. If they all pull out tomorrow, how do you fund the current long term contracts for next year, the year after etc?
I'll ask you Norfolk Imp, as you seem slightly more sensible than David Frazer, I don't think he's a two-club warrior though so swings and roundabouts.
When's the end game for these investors? £2mill is a lot of money but it's also sodomist all in the third tier of English football (a sickening thing to write!). The improvement in Lincoln over the last 7-8 years is undeniable but largely built on constant investment, at some point those investors will want a return... When will that be and are you not concerned for the fall out if/when they cut their losses?
It's OK saying their investment has come in the form of shares not loans, but the spending of the club is aided by those investments. If they all pull out tomorrow, how do you fund the current long term contracts for next year, the year after etc?
Well hopefully there is no end game - I am pretty certain most fans trust Clive Nates as he makes extremely sound decisions about the club. You are right though, even though we are not getting saddled with debt, if they stopped investing we would be back to where most teams are at this level and the level below. However, Kieran Maguire, footballs financial expert feels we are a well run club with sound investment. What I would say is we would be in a better position than your selves as we have some very saleable assets - which could help us rebuild. The keeper will go for more than a million and 1 or 2 others will go for similar amounts (Which is our model).
There are a few silly comments on here about us finishing 7th in league 1, which I think is a fantastic season - The extra revenue will allow us to build a more competitive team next year - Losing Derby and Pompy and potentially another big spending club helps - Birmingham will probably come down, but they are a basket case of a club.
I have said before on here that I thought you would be safe, and I have seen comments saying you will pass us by, but truthfully I am not sure what you are basing that on really - One of the reasons we have done well for the last 6 years is who we get loaned to us - Taylor this year is a prime example, I am not sure Grimsby would get those types of players due to outside perspectives of the club, training facilities etc. Whilst our ground is not a brilliant ground as mentioned on here earlier - We do spend large amounts on it - Stacey West development looks good, and we spent half a million on the pitch and thousands on the advertising (Digital around the entire pitch) and sound systems - Regardless of what people think, we are a progressive club and a very progressive City.
I think you will be better next season, but I am not sure that will be under your current manager. I have seen you mention our relationships with players from Ireland but that is 2 way as we loan them players too - They have done this now for a few years and we have managed to get their best players here, 1 of whom will go for a lot of money.
Your support is excellent, and you have a good history, albeit 20-25 years ago, but I am afraid it needs more - I would guess you would need 4-5 million per season in League 1 to be competitive - I would be interested in your current home, with yoiur current owners where that would come from?
Well hopefully there is no end game - I am pretty certain most fans trust Clive Nates as he makes extremely sound decisions about the club. You are right though, even though we are not getting saddled with debt, if they stopped investing we would be back to where most teams are at this level and the level below. However, Kieran Maguire, footballs financial expert feels we are a well run club with sound investment. What I would say is we would be in a better position than your selves as we have some very saleable assets - which could help us rebuild. The keeper will go for more than a million and 1 or 2 others will go for similar amounts (Which is our model).
There are a few silly comments on here about us finishing 7th in league 1, which I think is a fantastic season - The extra revenue will allow us to build a more competitive team next year - Losing Derby and Pompy and potentially another big spending club helps - Birmingham will probably come down, but they are a basket case of a club.
I have said before on here that I thought you would be safe, and I have seen comments saying you will pass us by, but truthfully I am not sure what you are basing that on really - One of the reasons we have done well for the last 6 years is who we get loaned to us - Taylor this year is a prime example, I am not sure Grimsby would get those types of players due to outside perspectives of the club, training facilities etc. Whilst our ground is not a brilliant ground as mentioned on here earlier - We do spend large amounts on it - Stacey West development looks good, and we spent half a million on the pitch and thousands on the advertising (Digital around the entire pitch) and sound systems - Regardless of what people think, we are a progressive club and a very progressive City.
I think you will be better next season, but I am not sure that will be under your current manager. I have seen you mention our relationships with players from Ireland but that is 2 way as we loan them players too - They have done this now for a few years and we have managed to get their best players here, 1 of whom will go for a lot of money.
Your support is excellent, and you have a good history, albeit 20-25 years ago, but I am afraid it needs more - I would guess you would need 4-5 million per season in League 1 to be competitive - I would be interested in your current home, with yoiur current owners where that would come from?
Aye I love your city, Day and night, and miles ahead of us, no doubt helped by the University.
I do agree with you as well, we are nowhere near being able to compete in the league above, christ we can barely compete in the league we're in.
Well hopefully there is no end game - I am pretty certain most fans trust Clive Nates as he makes extremely sound decisions about the club. You are right though, even though we are not getting saddled with debt, if they stopped investing we would be back to where most teams are at this level and the level below. However, Kieran Maguire, footballs financial expert feels we are a well run club with sound investment. What I would say is we would be in a better position than your selves as we have some very saleable assets - which could help us rebuild. The keeper will go for more than a million and 1 or 2 others will go for similar amounts (Which is our model).
There are a few silly comments on here about us finishing 7th in league 1, which I think is a fantastic season - The extra revenue will allow us to build a more competitive team next year - Losing Derby and Pompy and potentially another big spending club helps - Birmingham will probably come down, but they are a basket case of a club.
I have said before on here that I thought you would be safe, and I have seen comments saying you will pass us by, but truthfully I am not sure what you are basing that on really - One of the reasons we have done well for the last 6 years is who we get loaned to us - Taylor this year is a prime example, I am not sure Grimsby would get those types of players due to outside perspectives of the club, training facilities etc. Whilst our ground is not a brilliant ground as mentioned on here earlier - We do spend large amounts on it - Stacey West development looks good, and we spent half a million on the pitch and thousands on the advertising (Digital around the entire pitch) and sound systems - Regardless of what people think, we are a progressive club and a very progressive City.
I think you will be better next season, but I am not sure that will be under your current manager. I have seen you mention our relationships with players from Ireland but that is 2 way as we loan them players too - They have done this now for a few years and we have managed to get their best players here, 1 of whom will go for a lot of money.
Your support is excellent, and you have a good history, albeit 20-25 years ago, but I am afraid it needs more - I would guess you would need 4-5 million per season in League 1 to be competitive - I would be interested in your current home, with yoiur current owners where that would come from?
You were non league for years and have now reached the dizzy heights of the 3rd division. Fair play to you but sometimes I think your fans think you are in the Premier league the way you all go on.
We are just starting our renaissance so we will be playing each again in the not too distant future as we too are starting to put the groundwork in for future success.
Well hopefully there is no end game - I am pretty certain most fans trust Clive Nates as he makes extremely sound decisions about the club. You are right though, even though we are not getting saddled with debt, if they stopped investing we would be back to where most teams are at this level and the level below. However, Kieran Maguire, footballs financial expert feels we are a well run club with sound investment. What I would say is we would be in a better position than your selves as we have some very saleable assets - which could help us rebuild. The keeper will go for more than a million and 1 or 2 others will go for similar amounts (Which is our model).
There are a few silly comments on here about us finishing 7th in league 1, which I think is a fantastic season - The extra revenue will allow us to build a more competitive team next year - Losing Derby and Pompy and potentially another big spending club helps - Birmingham will probably come down, but they are a basket case of a club.
I have said before on here that I thought you would be safe, and I have seen comments saying you will pass us by, but truthfully I am not sure what you are basing that on really - One of the reasons we have done well for the last 6 years is who we get loaned to us - Taylor this year is a prime example, I am not sure Grimsby would get those types of players due to outside perspectives of the club, training facilities etc. Whilst our ground is not a brilliant ground as mentioned on here earlier - We do spend large amounts on it - Stacey West development looks good, and we spent half a million on the pitch and thousands on the advertising (Digital around the entire pitch) and sound systems - Regardless of what people think, we are a progressive club and a very progressive City.
I think you will be better next season, but I am not sure that will be under your current manager. I have seen you mention our relationships with players from Ireland but that is 2 way as we loan them players too - They have done this now for a few years and we have managed to get their best players here, 1 of whom will go for a lot of money.
Your support is excellent, and you have a good history, albeit 20-25 years ago, but I am afraid it needs more - I would guess you would need 4-5 million per season in League 1 to be competitive - I would be interested in your current home, with yoiur current owners where that would come from?
It was a good season for you no doubt about it and the method around the growth of the club has been impressive , with good infrastructure improvements and decent investment . No doubt the clubs 'bottom limit ' is substantially higher than what it was previously and tbf to Nates he does seems a decent custodian who will keep your club safe ; what the other high net worth individuals motives are is anyone's guess , I suppose it will become clearer in the next few years whether it's a long term thing or just a bit of fun .
I get the impression that Lincoln fans in general think we are some sort of basket case off the pitch when things couldn't be further from the truth , we had a bad season on it but the current custodians are making year on year improvements off the pitch and although unlikely this summer have done 2 pieces of smart trading in the last couple of years in both Mcatee and Conteh which we got decent fee's for with a very healthy sell-on , on the latter .
The new training ground is bubbling under the surface and there will hopefully be some firm news on that in the near future .
The truth is both clubs are in a good spot relatively speaking , what the future holds is uncertain but I'm very sure both have no worries over a future as a pro club with who they have at the helm .
Whether Artell is the man for us time will tell and I'm unsure , but I'm equally unsure on Scubala ; we know a few good months can make them the second coming of Pep , a few bad games and they are out on their ear .
Bet you’ve been very busy putting that information on all the other league 1 teams message board, obviously school summer holidays and your already bored.
Well done Norfolkimp the model is working well! With approx £1 plus in 2 sales plus i believe £1million + selling sadly Erathon to come in as well before the season starts.Our 7th successive season in league1 i believe meanwhile our neighbours NOT RIVALS wallow in the depths of league 2!
Lets talk the here and now not 40+: years ago.At least they have removed some posts in the wooden stand and spent some money on a new toilet and grass seeded the pitch ! Meanwhie they have unannounced new investors ! Alledgedly
Well done Norfolkimp the model is working well! With approx £1 plus in 2 sales plus i believe £1million + selling sadly Erathon to come in as well before the season starts.Our 7th successive season in league1 i believe meanwhile our neighbours NOT RIVALS wallow in the depths of league 2!
Lets talk the here and now not 40+: years ago.At least they have removed some posts in the wooden stand and spent some money on a new toilet and grass seeded the pitch ! Meanwhie they have unannounced new investors ! Alledgedly
Yet here you are with your 7 toes and 9 fingers posting on our board
You can't even spell, Do us all a favour and intercourse off.
The last post on here before today was three months ago. How ridiculous and sad do you have to be to trawl three months back on a rival club's forums to bring up your club when clearly nobody is talking about it?! GTFC living rent free in Lincoln fans' heads since 2017.
You're right David, we're not rivals. We've never seen you as a rival, be it historically or now. There's just this weird fixation with your lot about making something out of it. I dunno if it's because you can't quite make a faux rivalry with Forest because the majority of your fanbase have them as their 'other team' or what, but it's just weird.
Enjoy your moment in the sunshine, gloat as much as you can whilst it lasts. Because that little bubble is about to burst and you'll all withdraw from Sincil Bank faster than Landon Donovan's hairline.
You're right David, we're not rivals. We've never seen you as a rival, be it historically or now. There's just this weird fixation with your lot about making something out of it. I dunno if it's because you can't quite make a faux rivalry with Forest because the majority of your fanbase have them as their 'other team' or what, but it's just weird.
Enjoy your moment in the sunshine, gloat as much as you can whilst it lasts. Because that little bubble is about to burst and you'll all withdraw from Sincil Bank faster than Landon Donovan's hairline.
I think that is a little unfair - We seem to have 'Grown' our fanbase over the last decade, which of course is aligned to our relative success - I don't think that is unusual with any club really. There is an argument to say that Grimsby's fanbase is stuck in past successes, and therefore feels entitled. This rival issue is a point in case, because I would argue your not a rival of Hull - I am not sure how may times you and Hull have been in the same leagues?
Lincoln, as you know are in a good place, and we have some luck, but the people in charge have also made some great decisions, with Managers (In the main), the decision to get a decent training ground, and the numerous improvements to the stadium, including the major work that is now finished to the Stacey West stand.
As I have said before I hope Grimsby do improve, and we are soon in the same leagues, as despite you think we are not rivals, they would be decent games. I have been around long enough to know that the fixtures in the 80's were lively affairs.
Well done Norfolkimp the model is working well! With approx £1 plus in 2 sales plus i believe £1million + selling sadly Erathon to come in as well before the season starts.Our 7th successive season in league1 i believe meanwhile our neighbours NOT RIVALS wallow in the depths of league 2!
Lets talk the here and now not 40+: years ago.At least they have removed some posts in the wooden stand and spent some money on a new toilet and grass seeded the pitch ! Meanwhie they have unannounced new investors ! Alledgedly
Only your 6th season in League 1 actually - you only needed one hand to count that.
I think that is a little unfair - We seem to have 'Grown' our fanbase over the last decade, which of course is aligned to our relative success - I don't think that is unusual with any club really. There is an argument to say that Grimsby's fanbase is stuck in past successes, and therefore feels entitled. This rival issue is a point in case, because I would argue your not a rival of Hull - I am not sure how may times you and Hull have been in the same leagues?
Lincoln, as you know are in a good place, and we have some luck, but the people in charge have also made some great decisions, with Managers (In the main), the decision to get a decent training ground, and the numerous improvements to the stadium, including the major work that is now finished to the Stacey West stand.
As I have said before I hope Grimsby do improve, and we are soon in the same leagues, as despite you think we are not rivals, they would be decent games. I have been around long enough to know that the fixtures in the 80's were lively affairs.
Thing is, Frazer and Norfolk are terrible 'fans' to represent your club. One's 15 years old and the other is a Man City fan. It's a shame to that Lincoln fans have gained this reputation, but let's see a Town fan go on the Lincoln board spouting off like those two and NOT get banned. Engaging a Lincoln fan in football chat and NOT bitter resentment/glory hunting can be done but it's hard work.
I think that is a little unfair - We seem to have 'Grown' our fanbase over the last decade, which of course is aligned to our relative success - I don't think that is unusual with any club really. There is an argument to say that Grimsby's fanbase is stuck in past successes, and therefore feels entitled. This rival issue is a point in case, because I would argue your not a rival of Hull - I am not sure how may times you and Hull have been in the same leagues?
Lincoln, as you know are in a good place, and we have some luck, but the people in charge have also made some great decisions, with Managers (In the main), the decision to get a decent training ground, and the numerous improvements to the stadium, including the major work that is now finished to the Stacey West stand.
As I have said before I hope Grimsby do improve, and we are soon in the same leagues, as despite you think we are not rivals, they would be decent games. I have been around long enough to know that the fixtures in the 80's were lively affairs.
Always happy to have a conversation with the sensible ones like yourself.
Fanbase - yeah you've grown it significantly in recent years and without shadow of doubt since the arrival of the Cowley's and then since. Almost 300% since you spent half a decade just sloshing around the mid-table places of the Conference. It doubled almost overnight with the Cowley's and then went to the next level the year after. As I'll always say, it was built on success. That's normal, expected and definitely not sneered at. This is the golden era of Lincoln's modern history. The last time you were in the third tier was 1999 and you came straight back down, before that a 5-year spell in the mid early/mid 80's when you challenged for a couple of years and then struggled before slipping back into the fourth tier. You're riding an incredible wave and fair play to you. But for those 6000 supporters you've grown since 2016, how are they going to react to a bad season?
Whilst the trend post-Covid was for an increase in attendances, you saw a slight decrease in gates. And then another. And then one more (this time a marginal decrease). That's despite relatively good seasons with only the initial post-covid season seeing a bottom half finish.
Your board have some smart decisions, both in terms of managerial appointments and player transfers. But you're only ever a couple of bad decisions away from a bad season, how many of those 6,000 stick around when the times are hard? Because they sure as hell weren't there when you were losing at home to Hereford.
Maybe they'll stay, maybe they won't.
As a comparison we've had 20+ years of failure. I'm not even going to count the two Conference play-off wins as success because they only brought us back to a level we only occasionally flirted with until this century. I don't believe in natural pecking orders or god given rights based on history, but for most of the Town fanbase over a certain age the fourth division is still below where we are used to. Despite that ongoing disappointment, our gates have increased. We're getting gates we've not had for 20 years and then when we were massively boosted by large away followings from the likes of Birmingham, Wolves, Man City, et al. Last season was an absolute horror show, yet we actually increased our average following at home slightly. Capacity will always be an issue, but what happens when we get real success?
There's without a question a large element of bias going on here, but I'm comfortable arguing that pound for pound the Town fanbase will be there no matter what, can't say the same at Sincil Bank. At our lowest point in the Conference, our average gate was 50% up on that of your lowest point.
It's largely irrelevant though. Football isn't measured on gates and fanbases. It's measured on on-field success, without question in the last 8 years you've had far more than we have. But you're still not a rival. You're local to us, but that's it. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed those Conference derby games and the local bragging rights. But we were never really competing for the same things. The only time I recall that happening was 2005/06 (the mid 80's days just escaped me). A rivalry with Hull from our perspective goes deeper than that of Grimsby-Lincoln. It's got historical connections to the fishing industry and the abomination that was Humberside. But younger fans (on both sides) definitely aren't aware of it. I've never actually seen Town play Hull in a league fixture, the closest was a Auto Windscreens game in 1997/98. To be completely honest I think Town are rival-less at the minute. For many Scunny was 'the one'. It's closer and quicker to get to to than any other club, a lot of people live in Grimsby and work in Scunny and vice-versa, but even that's fallen well by the wayside with their recent misfortune. The connections aren't probably there for Grimsby-Lincoln, it's just that little bit more removed from our perspective.
We can take away the local bragging rights aside and success for any sides in this region is good, a rising tide lifts all ships. You do well and there's that knock-on of players who aren't any longer useful for you staying in the region and coming here with success (Waterfall for example and hopefully Wright...it's worked the other way too). I don't wish failure on Lincoln, far from it. I do, however, think this season is going to prove incredibly tough. It's all well having sellable assets but you have to replace them with someone at the very least capable of matching their predecessors. That's never a guarantee. The approach of very young and inexperienced goalkeepers is incredibly bold. I know Jensen didn't have loads of games under his belt, but he had a damn sight more than the lad you've signed from Fulham. That could be an inspired risk by Skubala, time will tell.
Oops Sorry Grantley i missed the 2yrs in div 2 out ! Im sorry to say i have 4 fingers and a thumb on each hand,dont shxg my sisters and sadly alot older then 15 !
Always happy to have a conversation with the sensible ones like yourself.
Fanbase - yeah you've grown it significantly in recent years and without shadow of doubt since the arrival of the Cowley's and then since. Almost 300% since you spent half a decade just sloshing around the mid-table places of the Conference. It doubled almost overnight with the Cowley's and then went to the next level the year after. As I'll always say, it was built on success. That's normal, expected and definitely not sneered at. This is the golden era of Lincoln's modern history. The last time you were in the third tier was 1999 and you came straight back down, before that a 5-year spell in the mid early/mid 80's when you challenged for a couple of years and then struggled before slipping back into the fourth tier. You're riding an incredible wave and fair play to you. But for those 6000 supporters you've grown since 2016, how are they going to react to a bad season?
Whilst the trend post-Covid was for an increase in attendances, you saw a slight decrease in gates. And then another. And then one more (this time a marginal decrease). That's despite relatively good seasons with only the initial post-covid season seeing a bottom half finish.
Your board have some smart decisions, both in terms of managerial appointments and player transfers. But you're only ever a couple of bad decisions away from a bad season, how many of those 6,000 stick around when the times are hard? Because they sure as hell weren't there when you were losing at home to Hereford.
Maybe they'll stay, maybe they won't.
As a comparison we've had 20+ years of failure. I'm not even going to count the two Conference play-off wins as success because they only brought us back to a level we only occasionally flirted with until this century. I don't believe in natural pecking orders or god given rights based on history, but for most of the Town fanbase over a certain age the fourth division is still below where we are used to. Despite that ongoing disappointment, our gates have increased. We're getting gates we've not had for 20 years and then when we were massively boosted by large away followings from the likes of Birmingham, Wolves, Man City, et al. Last season was an absolute horror show, yet we actually increased our average following at home slightly. Capacity will always be an issue, but what happens when we get real success?
There's without a question a large element of bias going on here, but I'm comfortable arguing that pound for pound the Town fanbase will be there no matter what, can't say the same at Sincil Bank. At our lowest point in the Conference, our average gate was 50% up on that of your lowest point.
It's largely irrelevant though. Football isn't measured on gates and fanbases. It's measured on on-field success, without question in the last 8 years you've had far more than we have. But you're still not a rival. You're local to us, but that's it. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed those Conference derby games and the local bragging rights. But we were never really competing for the same things. The only time I recall that happening was 2005/06 (the mid 80's days just escaped me). A rivalry with Hull from our perspective goes deeper than that of Grimsby-Lincoln. It's got historical connections to the fishing industry and the abomination that was Humberside. But younger fans (on both sides) definitely aren't aware of it. I've never actually seen Town play Hull in a league fixture, the closest was a Auto Windscreens game in 1997/98. To be completely honest I think Town are rival-less at the minute. For many Scunny was 'the one'. It's closer and quicker to get to to than any other club, a lot of people live in Grimsby and work in Scunny and vice-versa, but even that's fallen well by the wayside with their recent misfortune. The connections aren't probably there for Grimsby-Lincoln, it's just that little bit more removed from our perspective.
We can take away the local bragging rights aside and success for any sides in this region is good, a rising tide lifts all ships. You do well and there's that knock-on of players who aren't any longer useful for you staying in the region and coming here with success (Waterfall for example and hopefully Wright...it's worked the other way too). I don't wish failure on Lincoln, far from it. I do, however, think this season is going to prove incredibly tough. It's all well having sellable assets but you have to replace them with someone at the very least capable of matching their predecessors. That's never a guarantee. The approach of very young and inexperienced goalkeepers is incredibly bold. I know Jensen didn't have loads of games under his belt, but he had a damn sight more than the lad you've signed from Fulham. That could be an inspired risk by Skubala, time will tell.
A really good read actually, and fair play for going to all the trouble for writing it.
Friendlies are no real indicator of what lies ahead, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen an Imps squad as strong as the one currently being assembled and that’s without the likes of McGrandles, Hamilton, Walker and Reeco-Hackett who haven’t kicked a ball yet.
Average performance today ,some good parts and lots to work on with Skubala( extended contract of 4 yrs signed last week),the main thing was finding the grit and determination to find a way to get our win and get the season off to a good start! As norfolk said a few players to get fit and we will have a top10 squad again,hopefully a couple more in and one of those being Joe Taylor from Luton ( your friends are you in for him )
Yes only predicting top 10 ,realism,when theres some massive money around in the league ,Birmingham have a £20million budget!!
Oops Sorry Grantley i missed the 2yrs in div 2 out ! Im sorry to say i have 4 fingers and a thumb on each hand,dont shxg my sisters and sadly alot older then 15 !
Anyway wheres the child called Yoda?
I would rate you as the biggest belll-end we have had on here in years. Get a life you pointless muppet, posting on the here is pathetic and you need to reevaluate your life choices as you do appear to be a very sad individual Take a deep breath before your next post and repeat three times I don’t want to be a sad loser who’s only pleasure is posting on another club’s forum utm
I wonder how many Liverpool fans post on a Man U forum, or Newcastle on a Sunderland forum or spurs on an Arsenal one, but we get this muppet coming on and spouting about every time Lincoln win a corner, please go away and talk to your own supporters.
I would rate you as the biggest belll-end we have had on here in years. Get a life you pointless muppet, posting on the here is pathetic and you need to reevaluate your life choices as you do appear to be a very sad individual Take a deep breath before your next post and repeat three times I don’t want to be a sad loser who’s only pleasure is posting on another club’s forum utm
He’s up there for sure in the bell end stakes but we’ve had some real whoppers from scunny on here all be it not nowadays for some reason 😃
Never lost 4million yet Yoda and we wont be going bust anytime soon you silly little boy! Anyway must start saving soon as we are currently looking into the feasibility of a pre season tour of the usa next summer !
Up the Imps
Ps yoda we have just sold 2player for@ £1million this summer
Never lost 4million yet Yoda and we wont be going bust anytime soon you silly little boy! Anyway must start saving soon as we are currently looking into the feasibility of a pre season tour of the usa next summer !
Up the Imps
Ps yoda we have just sold 2player for@ £1million this summer
NO ANNUAL ACCOUNTS HAVE EVER RECORDED A £4 MILLION LOSS !
Don’t you dare be calling Yoda thick - if anyone is going to verbally abuse Yoda it’ll be his fellow town fans not some six fingered sister botherer who’s on the wrong forum.
It's weird that this thread is quiet. I've not checked other scores as only just got in but the mighty Imps must surely have beaten Harrogate this evening? They're usually on here straight away when they win, I hope they're okay.
Town remain as the best performing club in the League Cup for another year - which is a double with the league performance. Can we maintain the treble (again)?
No, it needs to remain open for when the bubble goes pop.
I agree, but 9,300 tickets sold for tomorrow suggests that isn’t anytime soon … but I’m sure we’ll be back where we belong with sub 3,000 gates eventually, when the Chairman or American Investors get bored.
I agree, but 9,300 tickets sold for tomorrow suggests that isn’t anytime soon … but I’m sure we’ll be back where we belong with sub 3,000 gates eventually, when the Chairman or American Investors get bored.
Hmm along with this Bournemouth just spent 40M on a player with similar gates .The Imps supposedly-3M last Season on wages and operations you can only imagine how the Cherries look? The games massively changed Grimsby the last 2-3 Seasons getting unbelievable support from the fans but can't really compete financially with the likes of Salford and Barrow. Luckily I think our owners much like Clive Nates and Co will get us sorted and we will eventually move up.The trouble is after 20 years of utter sh1te the slightest setback feels like a catastrophe.
I agree, but 9,300 tickets sold for tomorrow suggests that isn’t anytime soon … but I’m sure we’ll be back where we belong with sub 3,000 gates eventually, when the Chairman or American Investors get bored.
Hmm along with this Bournemouth just spent 40M on a player with similar gates .The Imps supposedly-3M last Season on wages and operations you can only imagine how the Cherries look? The games massively changed Grimsby the last 2-3 Seasons getting unbelievable support from the fans but can't really compete financially with the likes of Salford and Barrow. Luckily I think our owners much like Clive Nates and Co will get us sorted and we will eventually move up.The trouble is after 20 years of utter sh1te the slightest setback feels like a catastrophe.
I agree, but 9,300 tickets sold for tomorrow suggests that isn’t anytime soon … but I’m sure we’ll be back where we belong with sub 3,000 gates eventually, when the Chairman or American Investors get bored.
I don’t t think that’s many for Man City. I presume that’s who you’re on about. That’s The team you support isn’t it ??? 😉
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
Hmm along with this Bournemouth just spent 40M on a player with similar gates .The Imps supposedly-3M last Season on wages and operations you can only imagine how the Cherries look? The games massively changed Grimsby the last 2-3 Seasons getting unbelievable support from the fans but can't really compete financially with the likes of Salford and Barrow. Luckily I think our owners much like Clive Nates and Co will get us sorted and we will eventually move up.The trouble is after 20 years of utter sh1te the slightest setback feels like a catastrophe.
Small margins mate. One minute you’re fuming at throwing a 2 goal lead away, only to be celebrating due to a last gasp winner the next. An inspired signing in Davies btw, was amazed you managed to attract such quality tbh.
Not being able to compete financially with the likes of Salford or Barrow, really is a depressing prospect though.
Meanwhile over at LN5 we took on your old rivals from Oakwell. A stonewall penalty not given, denying a hard earned point, but that’s football I guess?
Small margins mate. One minute you’re fuming at throwing a 2 goal lead away, only to be celebrating due to a last gasp winner the next. An inspired signing in Davies btw, was amazed you managed to attract such quality tbh.
Not being able to compete financially with the likes of Salford or Barrow, really is a depressing prospect though.
Meanwhile over at LN5 we took on your old rivals from Oakwell. A stonewall penalty not given, denying a hard earned point, but that’s football I guess?
Never mind, you’ve got city’s game to look forward to this afternoon to try and get a win for the weekend
Well, what a game to miss, but then again taking my 86yo mother away for a weekend birthday treat on the coast in a caravan (with no WiFi) took priority.
The Extended Highlights looked promising as The Imps put those upstarts from North Notts to the sword. 4 goals from 16 shots with 8 on target bodes well in front of a healthy 9,809.
Rumour has it Bailey Cadamarteri (son of Danny) is signing from Sheff Wednesday on loan, so it’ll be interesting to see if he plays at Blundell Park on Tuesday?
Well, what a game to miss, but then again taking my 86yo mother away for a weekend birthday treat on the coast in a caravan (with no WiFi) took priority.
The Extended Highlights looked promising as The Imps put those upstarts from North Notts to the sword. 4 goals from 16 shots with 8 on target bodes well in front of a healthy 9,809.
Rumour has it Bailey Cadamarteri (son of Danny) is signing on loan from Sheff Wednesday on loan, so it’ll be interesting to see if he plays at Blundell Park on Tuesday?
Shows you what a massive step up league 1 is from league 2 tbh , Mansfield were lightyears ahead of us last season but I expect them to struggle this - Stockport look like the one's who might be higher up as their recruitment looks excellent .
Reckon you can make the play-offs in such a tough league ?
See Big Evans is already looking like exploding aswell.
Shows you what a massive step up league 1 is from league 2 tbh , Mansfield were lightyears ahead of us last season but I expect them to struggle this - Stockport look like the one's who might be higher up as their recruitment looks excellent .
Reckon you can make the play-offs in such a tough league ?
See Big Evans is already looking like exploding aswell.
Stocky do indeed look and have started very good, they’ll challenge Brum & Hudders for the Top 2 I think.
The play-offs are the aim, which would be a fine achievement as there are far bigger clubs than us in the mix too.
Evans in the bottom 4 did make me chuckle I must admit, the mardy swine refusing to shake the young Wycombe Manager Matt Bloomfield’s hand apparently.
Anyone on here struggling with vertigo this fine Sunday morning?
Town up to 11th in the top half of the table and The Imps up to 4th.
Yesterday wasn’t pretty, far from it in fact, but a wins a win, and takes us to a point behind the Top 3 including the ‘big’ spending Brummies. £15m + £5m for Stansfield is an outrageous acquisition at Tier 3 Level, but their owners have a long term plan for Midlands domination, so who am I to argue?
Transfer deadline day came and went, without us losing Erhahon & O’Connor, although the latter got sent off due to a stupid and unnecessary 2nd yellow yesterday. He’ll now miss the key away clash at Posh where we usually get spanked, but overall 3 wins out of 4 is a more than satisfactory start.
Anyone on here struggling with vertigo this fine Sunday morning?
Town up to 11th in the top half of the table and The Imps up to 4th.
Yesterday wasn’t pretty, far from it in fact, but a wins a win, and takes us to a point behind the Top 3 including the ‘big’ spending Brummies. £15m + £5m for Stansfield is an outrageous acquisition at Tier 3 Level, but their owners have a long term plan for Midlands domination, so who am I to argue?
Transfer deadline day came and went, without us losing Erhahon & O’Connor, although the latter got sent off due to a stupid and unnecessary 2nd yellow yesterday. He’ll now miss the key away clash at Posh where we usually get spanked, but overall 3 wins out of 4 is a more than satisfactory start.
What I’m struggling with is why the feck you come in here .. it’s a GTFC town msg board not a Lincoln city one
4th in L1 and on the back of 10 away games undefeated yet couldn’t sell out an away game at Stevenage, an easy 2 hour journey down the A1. Massive club.
On the other hand, tiny Grimsby managed 600 more on a Thursday night to Nottingham which is a comparable journey in terms of distance. Despite the game being on Sky and us winning a miserable 2 away games over the whole of last season. As soon as the bubble bursts, your new fans will abandon you again. Just like they did before 2017. And you’ll be back to supporting City.
I never even bother looking at other club forums unless its a team we are playing against over the next few days, even if any local teams are in the same division.
7004 against a yorkshire rival is that a full house? 7004 less ? Bradford fans!
Ladt 2 home games at the bank!
Mansfield - 9809 ( with 1888 away) equals 7921 Imps
Barnsley- 9768. (1845) equals 7923 Imps
You have no boxes?
Your ground is a dump ( thanks to fenty)
Its no wonder your away crowds are reasonable its because people have moved away from gy and would rather
watch away matches also!
Lets face it you cant compete these days till you get a new ground ! Even if you somehow managed to fluke a promotion to league1 you wont even then!
I'll bite cause I'm in bed ill and therefore have time to spare.
Firstly, you are aware that Grimsby isn't in Yorkshire right? When have Bradford ever been considered a rival? It's further away from Grimsby than Peterborough is and they sure as hell aren't our rivals. Using your own logic, Barnsley and Mansfield are much, much closer to Lincoln and you failed to sell out the home end so well done. You can literally see there's plenty of empty seats in the weird stand behind the goal and in the Co-Op stand so once again, congrats on failing to sell out in a L1 match against local rivals (your logic, not mine).
Secondly, Blundell Park is a dump. We all know that. It's had a lot of money spent on it in the last three years just to get it to an almost acceptable state. Nobody is denying that ideally we would get a new stadium but that seems unlikely. However, you go on as though Sincil Bank is some sort of Mecca when it's still the same slightly below average FL stadium in a horrible part of the city that it's always been. I've been to SB in the last year, it's fine but still has only one decent stand and three fairly shite ones. It's ironic that you incorrectly go on about our lack of boxes as I've been in both the boxes at BP and SB and, trust me sunshine, there really is no difference. I know there's plans to increase it's size but what's the point? You never get close to selling out the home end even now.
Your team is undoubtedly significantly better than ours at present. And has been for a number of years now. You'd have to be well in to your 8th decade of life to remember a time that Lincoln had a better run such is your history of being generally quite shite. Yet it's still reliant on the millions being pumped in each season by American investors just to compete in the top half of L1. And unless by some miracle you get promoted to the Championship, that will stop at some point. Even now during the best run in most fans' lifetimes you fail to sell out the home ends to local rivals and your average attendance has actually managed to go down every season for the last five seasons where fans have attended. Even more startlingly is that generally the trend for attendances in the FL has been up since Lockdown finished and despite no relegation or even relegation battles your attendances buck that trend. Conversely, ours went UP last season when we finished 10 places lower and had a record-breakingly shite January at BP. Your away attendances are also still hilariously significantly less than ours for the last two seasons despite going to bigger clubs and us only winning two games away all season last season.
What does this tell us? And, more importantly, what does this tell the investors? Well the city of Lincoln famously abandoned the club when it got relegated in to non league. Pitiful home attendances with sub 2000 home fans occurred, you brought less than 500 away fans to a bank holiday match at BP and you averaged less than 2600 at home each season before you finally had success. Now obviously the attendances went up massively when every man and his dog jumped on the bandwagon. It would also be churlish to suggest that the people in charge at Lincoln haven’t done exceptionally well with their fan engagement in that time to get people who probably never even looked at Lincoln scores previously to now being season ticket holders. However, the fact your attendances have been decreasing despite unprecedented continued success and the fact that your away attendances are still very low in percentage terms compared to home attendances suggests that there's likely still a high percentage of those flakey fans who wanted nothing to do with the club when you were shite. Essentially, your core support is still probably no different to ours. So when you have a couple of dodgy seasons, as inevitably happens within the football cycle, how many of those new fans will continue to turn up? Anecdotally, having lived much closer to Lincoln than Grimsby all my life, all the "new" fans I know would almost certainly drop the club like a bad habit if you had a season losing far more than you win.
So it stands to reason to question the ongoing massive capital injection from some American "investors" who have no historic or cultural tie with the club. They call themselves investors so they will likely want something back for this investment at some point. And if it's costing them multiples of millions each season to get to the top half of L1 yet you STILL can't pack out a relatively small stadium and STILL can't fill out a very small L1 away end that's less than 2 hours down the A1 then there will come a time when they call it a day as they'll realise there is no chance of a huge windfall barring some extreme football fortune. At that stage, I imagine the club will have to cut the cloth accordingly and a significant percentage of your new fans will quietly disappear when you're suddenly not winning many. I also suspect you'll stop being such a boring virgin and will no longer post on here at that point. We can but hope.
You're joking aren't ya, he'll get confused after the first paragraph.
Why any "supporter" of another club, not in out league or has any connection to us, jumps on a forum specifically for GTFC supporters is in my mind, a narcissistic twit who has separation issues from birth because the midwife threw them in the cot and slapped the mother!!..
You're joking aren't ya, he'll get confused after the first paragraph.
Why any "supporter" of another club, not in out league or has any connection to us, jumps on a forum specifically for GTFC supporters is in my mind, a narcissistic twit who has separation issues from birth because the midwife threw them in the cot and slapped the mother!!..
More like threw the afterbirth in the cot and flushed the baby down the sluice.
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Mr Fraser will be on denying that amount, he really believes the American investors actually enjoy writing off a few million every year, there again it gives them something to talk about to their rich friends
Just like the good old bad old days, in a performance reminiscent of 5th Tier footie.
That said it was like a reserve team fixture for both sides tbh, although Dobra looked decent when he came on for the Spireites, so I’d keep an eye on him at the weekend.
Bit hard to be critical of their crowd when the majority of our fans boycott this competition and I doubt we will get 1000 through the gate when we play them. Personally I just see this as an opportunity to play everyone who doesn’t normally get a run out hence most of the group and early knock out rounds are contested by “reserve” teams.
Hang on.. are people really digging out attendance figures on a comp that every year folk say they boycott?? 🤷♂️
One of my pet hates mocking attendances.. I couldn’t care less if Acc Stanley or whoever brought 56.. in fact I think it’s more fair play to those who do go. We’re fortunate in that we travel well, and for the last couple seasons we’ve managed to maintain a growth in home support, but it wasn’t ‘that’ long ago we were down to 3k or so.
Lincoln, have done everything we didn’t. They’ve utilised/exploited cup run money, built on promotion to the League, gathered investment etc - and as a result crowd has grown, ok.. it ‘might’ not last .. who knows? But think you have to give them credit for what they have done this last 6 years or so.
That said.. is it a line I’d like to take Town down in years to come? (Foreign investment) - probably not. I think we are in a good position off the pitch, with right people at the helm, but as has been discussed on another thread, football is going even more that way - and merely to compete you need serious money at even League 1 level, such as what Lincoln need. Ideally if our owners can get investors help from numerous sources, and a gradual process of getting us back on track, whilst ensuring the clubs future long term -we’d all, or most of us - welcome it I think.
Nothing against Lincoln myself (other than that idiot who posts on here) as said think it should be commended in many respects what they’ve achieved, and hope we can manage to reach them again in future seasons.
I'm pretty sure comments about them losing in the EFL Trophy and the low attendance are in jest. We all know the competition itself is a excrement show that no one gives a intercourse about.
Bit hard to be critical of their crowd when the majority of our fans boycott this competition and I doubt we will get 1000 through the gate when we play them. Personally I just see this as an opportunity to play everyone who doesn’t normally get a run out hence most of the group and early knock out rounds are contested by “reserve” teams.
That was purely a pisstake of our resident six-fingered troll claiming Bradford were our “Yorkshire rivals”.
Hang on.. are people really digging out attendance figures on a comp that every year folk say they boycott?? 🤷♂️
One of my pet hates mocking attendances.. I couldn’t care less if Acc Stanley or whoever brought 56.. in fact I think it’s more fair play to those who do go. We’re fortunate in that we travel well, and for the last couple seasons we’ve managed to maintain a growth in home support, but it wasn’t ‘that’ long ago we were down to 3k or so.
Lincoln, have done everything we didn’t. They’ve utilised/exploited cup run money, built on promotion to the League, gathered investment etc - and as a result crowd has grown, ok.. it ‘might’ not last .. who knows? But think you have to give them credit for what they have done this last 6 years or so.
That said.. is it a line I’d like to take Town down in years to come? (Foreign investment) - probably not. I think we are in a good position off the pitch, with right people at the helm, but as has been discussed on another thread, football is going even more that way - and merely to compete you need serious money at even League 1 level, such as what Lincoln need. Ideally if our owners can get investors help from numerous sources, and a gradual process of getting us back on track, whilst ensuring the clubs future long term -we’d all, or most of us - welcome it I think.
Nothing against Lincoln myself (other than that idiot who posts on here) as said think it should be commended in many respects what they’ve achieved, and hope we can manage to reach them again in future seasons.
Great reply, it reminds me of the late great BP Vicar who used to post on here many moons ago.
It is for the likes of you, plus other intelligent and knowledgeable footballing sorts, such as 1MickeyLyons and of course old Hagrid, that I hope you return to former glories.
Today’s opponents have produced some lively encounters from memory at the old Saltergate in particular, although I expect your allocation has been lowered somewhat due to intervention by Derbyshire’s finest?
Who knows, by 5pm you could be on the edge of the Play-off slots?
Great reply, it reminds me of the late great BP Vicar who used to post on here many moons ago.
It is for the likes of you, plus other intelligent and knowledgeable footballing sorts, such as 1MickeyLyons and of course old Hagrid, that I hope you return to former glories.
Today’s opponents have produced some lively encounters from memory at the old Saltergate in particular, although I expect your allocation has been lowered somewhat due to intervention by Derbyshire’s finest?
Who knows, by 5pm you could be on the edge of the Play-off slots?
It's because Chesterfield fill the stadium or sell most tickets like we do - it holds around 10k with segregation i believe so they offer the lowest amount within the rules that they can . Which turns out 999 so I assume they state the capacity with seg is 9999 - they did get a couple of gates a touch over 10k in the NL but that was with minimal segregation against teams that brought around 20-50 fans so they had a really really small area of the ground/section .
It's because Chesterfield fill the stadium or sell most tickets like we do - it holds around 10k with segregation i believe so they offer the lowest amount within the rules that they can . Which turns out 999 so I assume they state the capacity with seg is 9999 - they did get a couple of gates a touch over 10k in the NL but that was with minimal segregation against teams that brought around 20-50 fans so they had a really really small area of the ground/section .
9,325 with a fair few empty seats in the home end.
For what it’s worth I thought you were very unlucky to come away empty handed. 2 key errors at both ends by Rogers, and another howler by Wright (although he played okay overall) proved crucial.
The Ref was frustratingly inconsistent for both sides, but Town looked far better than in recent seasons on this display.
Tricky one at Blackpool ,tuesday night though we can hope for a brucie bonus!
And despite Yodas claim we will be bust in 2years ,lots of championship interest already for midfielder Ethan Erathon for january window.Conservative interest at £1.5million +. Norfolkimp has him at £3million!
Tricky one at Blackpool ,tuesday night though we can hope for a brucie bonus!
And despite Yodas claim we will be bust in 2years ,lots of championship interest already for midfielder Ethan Erathon for january window.Conservative interest at £1.5million +. Norfolkimp has him at £3million!
Under a thousand fans for a 100 minute journey - embarrassing not selling out an allocation of a thousand when you are doing so well. Even Scunny sold out their Scarborough trip the other week.
Tricky one at Blackpool ,tuesday night though we can hope for a brucie bonus!
And despite Yodas claim we will be bust in 2years ,lots of championship interest already for midfielder Ethan Erathon for january window.Conservative interest at £1.5million +. Norfolkimp has him at £3million!
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Welcome once again to the Fishy Frazer, where proper fans debate the musings of their teams performance.....and other nearby local supporters desperately seek solace and intelligent talk which they cannot find on their own inadequate message boards....
'I walked in the dressing room. The window was open and I thought that a sea fret had got in. Then I saw smoke billowing from a pipe in the corner of the room...it was my centre-forward. He looked seven stone wet through. He went on to score thirty-odd goals that season.' Lawrie McMenemy on encountering the legend that was Matt Tees.
Tricky one at Blackpool ,tuesday night though we can hope for a brucie bonus!
And despite Yodas claim we will be bust in 2years ,lots of championship interest already for midfielder Ethan Erathon for january window.Conservative interest at £1.5million +. Norfolkimp has him at £3million!
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£3m with a 25% sell on fee and not a penny less, if the likes of Burnley, WBA and Norwich are sniffing about.
3rd place and a game in hand on Wrexham, young Cadamarteri off the mark too!
Sorry rugger i didnt go ! 70 ish shy of selling the lot we were given ! Not sure the last time you played there or st posh.There is a new policy of some clubs charging quite alot £25/27 to sit in a corner of a ground.Something i wont do and looks like a few others wont either .You may understand that if you ever go up.
Can you cope with the dizzy heights of just above half way in the 4th division?
Sorry rugger i didnt go ! 70 ish shy of selling the lot we were given ! Not sure the last time you played there or st posh.There is a new policy of some clubs charging quite alot £25/27 to sit in a corner of a ground.Something i wont do and looks like a few others wont either .You may understand that if you ever go up.
Can you cope with the dizzy heights of just above half way in the 4th division?
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Sorry rugger i didnt go ! 70 ish shy of selling the lot we were given ! Not sure the last time you played there or st posh.There is a new policy of some clubs charging quite alot £25/27 to sit in a corner of a ground.Something i wont do and looks like a few others wont either .You may understand that if you ever go up.
Can you cope with the dizzy heights of just above half way in the 4th division?
Your regular reminder that David Frazer is NOT 15 year's old, he is as he unashamedly told us, MUCH older than that. Posting on another clubs board at quarter to nine on Saturday night, indeed.
Under a thousand fans for a 100 minute journey - embarrassing not selling out an allocation of a thousand when you are doing so well. Even Scunny sold out their Scarborough trip the other week.
He’s literally just told us they’ve set a club record for being undefeated on the road, they’re third in L1 and they STILL can’t sell out a relatively small allocation for an exceptionally easy trip two hours down the road. Genuinely laughable. Huge club though, obviously.
Sorry rugger i didnt go ! 70 ish shy of selling the lot we were given ! Not sure the last time you played there or st posh.There is a new policy of some clubs charging quite alot £25/27 to sit in a corner of a ground.Something i wont do and looks like a few others wont either .You may understand that if you ever go up.
Be interesting to see how many you bring to BP in a couple of weeks. Are you expecting to sell out?
£3m with a 25% sell on fee and not a penny less, if the likes of Burnley, WBA and Norwich are sniffing about.
3rd place and a game in hand on Wrexham, young Cadamarteri off the mark too!
Just a bit of advice for you Mr Norfolk Imp. Remember the adage, what goes up must come down. And also remember the quote by Wilson Mizner (look him up) “Be nice to people on your way up, because you'll meet them again on your way down” UTM
"Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its students." ..Hector Berlioz, 1856. “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" ...Voltaire, 1694-1778
Sorry rugger i didnt go ! 70 ish shy of selling the lot we were given ! Not sure the last time you played there or st posh.There is a new policy of some clubs charging quite alot £25/27 to sit in a corner of a ground.Something i wont do and looks like a few others wont either .You may understand that if you ever go up.
Can you cope with the dizzy heights of just above half way in the 4th division?
Tricky one at Blackpool ,tuesday night though we can hope for a brucie bonus!
And despite Yodas claim we will be bust in 2years ,lots of championship interest already for midfielder Ethan Erathon for january window.Conservative interest at £1.5million +. Norfolkimp has him at £3million!
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Is the 13 undefeated a record you've made up? If you check back to the 3rd September you'll see you lost to Chesterfield in the tinpot trophy, a mere 4 games ago. Or are you talking about the league? Hang on... you lost to Barnsley already this season on your own patch. Do you struggle with posting correct information?
I see you've left out the fact you've got someone in your team that has been fined for breaching anti-betting rules, or does that not support your narrative of your team so that doesn't get mentioned as your team is "so perfect"?
Oh and by the way, teams charge £25/27 in our league too, I guess if you actually went to watch your team away and support them like you claim you do, you'd know this by now as it isn't a relatively new thing and teams have been doing it for a number of years, but I guess you wouldn't realise that sitting from your armchair.
Just a bit of advice for you Mr Norfolk Imp. Remember the adage, what goes up must come down. And also remember the quote by Wilson Mizner (look him up) “Be nice to people on your way up, because you'll meet them again on your way down” UTM
If this is the same guy that used to post as AryanImp he’s clearly not learned his lesson. The season after we first went down to the NL he was on here gloating. With 10 games to go they were on 40 points so he thought they were safe. If memory serves they then picked up one point from the remaining games and got relegated. Hilarious. After that we didn’t hear from him for years.
It’s like the Scunts who came on here when they were temporarily above us. We don’t hear much from them now. Gloating on other teams forums is a pretty pathetic way to spend your time. If these types have nothing better to do they deserve our pity. Sad buggers.
If this is the same guy that used to post as AryanImp he’s clearly not learned his lesson. The season after we first went down to the NL he was on here gloating. With 10 games to go they were on 40 points so he thought they were safe. If memory serves they then picked up one point from the remaining games and got relegated. Hilarious. After that we didn’t hear from him for years.
It’s like the Scunts who came on here when they were temporarily above us. We don’t hear much from them now. Gloating on other teams forums is a pretty pathetic way to spend your time. If these types have nothing better to do they deserve our pity. Sad buggers.
It’s the same poster, just changed his username. We did hear from him after they went down. Lots will recall his epic meltdown after they were shite in the NL for a couple of years saying he wasn’t going any more and only supported Man City now. Weirdly he started posting on here again around February 2017 and I can’t think why that would be. Almost like the fortunes of Lincoln changed significantly around then. Literally the biggest fair weather fan we’ve ever seen on here but that’s hardly surprising when you look at how all their fans disappeared in the NL only to come back in numbers during an FA cup run.
Whilst they should be rightfully pleased with their start, they have played 2 of the bottom 3, who have yet to amass a win between them. <1000 though for <2 hour journey on a Saturday in the south is urine poor though
Just a bit of advice for you Mr Norfolk Imp. Remember the adage, what goes up must come down. And also remember the quote by Wilson Mizner (look him up) “Be nice to people on your way up, because you'll meet them again on your way down” UTM
I rarely if ever post anything discriminatory re: The Mariners these days, even when I did it was because we were rivals on the pitch and always in jest.
I know half a dozen Town fans personally (one or two post on Fishy) and I’m pleased for them that you’re on the edge of the play-offs, after many years of utter garbage.
This is a LINCOLN thread, last time I looked, why wouldn’t I contribute on it? I’m surprised and slightly disappointed that only 926 Imps fans traveled yesterday, considering we used to take 3 times that amount under The Cowley’s.
Difficult games v Blackpool, Wrexham & Brum coming up which should give a better idea of where we’re at. 13 game’s unbeaten AWAY since NY’s day is a club record and is to be applauded don’t you think?
This is a LINCOLN thread, last time I looked, why wouldn’t I contribute on it?
Well, it's a Grimsby Town fans forum. A forum for Grimsby Town fans. That's mainly why. If I was a Lincoln fan, I'd be on the Lincoln Fans forum. As a Grimsby Town fan, even if there was a thread titled "Grimsby Town" I still wouldn't comment on it, because I'm not a Lincoln fan, though mainly, and I stress this the most, it will be because as a Grimsby fan you won't find me posting on a rivals forum.
I also noticed you commented on the Manchester City thread, is that because you are a fair weather fan and support two clubs?
Im not sure why anybody would want to waste their money to come to gy to sit in your shitty away stand and give your tinpot club any money whatsover in the mickey mouse cup. We have won this fairly recently and i supported our team ,home and away and a wembley weekend to boot.All praise to anyone who comes to the game and i hope they dont get dog excrement on their trainers before they get into the ground.
" who to fail in league1 ,Us or Rectum" interesting question.!
Is actually being in league 1 a failure ,when you have the @£25million squad of Brum,Rectum,Charlton,Barnsley,Uddersfield,etc etc.We finished 7th last year with a budget in the league of 12th highest,so we were punching well above our budget!
We are an established league 1 club something you wouldnt be any time soon if you actually were honest with yourselves.
Im not sure why anybody would want to waste their money to come to gy to sit in your shitty away stand and give your tinpot club any money whatsover in the mickey mouse cup. We have won this fairly recently and i supported our team ,home and away and a wembley weekend to boot.All praise to anyone who comes to the game and i hope they dont get dog excrement on their trainers before they get into the ground.
On news years day we lost to Blackpool away with no strikers fit ! We have gone 13 league games since that away from home and not lost ,conceding just 9 GOALS .
Ironically our 14th game this tuesday is blackpool away who are in form.
Im not sure why anybody would want to waste their money to come to gy to sit in your shitty away stand and give your tinpot club any money whatsover in the mickey mouse cup. We have won this fairly recently and i supported our team ,home and away and a wembley weekend to boot.All praise to anyone who comes to the game and i hope they dont get dog excrement on their trainers before they get into the ground.
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On news years day we lost to Blackpool away with no strikers fit ! We have gone 13 league games since that away from home and not lost ,conceding just 9 GOALS .
Ironically our 14th game this tuesday is blackpool away who are in form.
Nothing made up about that record AT ALL.
You’re in your 70s for Christ’s sake. It’s clear certain parts of your brain are deficient but I’m assuming that’s including the part that should feel shame at your behaviour?
Im not sure why anybody would want to waste their money to come to gy to sit in your shitty away stand and give your tinpot club any money whatsover in the mickey mouse cup. We have won this fairly recently and i supported our team ,home and away and a wembley weekend to boot.All praise to anyone who comes to the game and i hope they dont get dog excrement on their trainers before they get into the ground.
Our Lincoln supporter should realise that what goes up surely comes down. A few years ago Scunthorpe were riding high in the championship, they're in the NLN.
He should do a recky of teams in that league because as sure as eggs are eggs when his American benefactors have had enough that is where they will end up.
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
Our Lincoln supporter should realise that what goes up surely comes down. A few years ago Scunthorpe were riding high in the championship, they're in the NLN.
He should do a recky of teams in that league because as sure as eggs are eggs when his American benefactors have had enough that is where they will end up.
Not going to get in to an argument about finances etc etc again, but I can assure you DB that we are on a very sound financial footing - With decent investors who buy shares, not invest by loaning us money. Irrespective of their motives, we have a ground/Pitch that has had lots of upgrades to it, including the SW stand which is now fully open, a very good training ground, and a squad which is worth millions having already sold a millions worth of talent over the Summer.
Whilst I do not think we will trouble the play -offs this year as how can we compete with teams that spend 35 million on their team, I do think we are slowly but surely becoming an established League 1 club, in the fact we don't trouble the bottom 6 really.
When we demolish the stand opposite the CO-OP stand, and build something similar, our capacity will be between 14 and 15k - then we may be able to push on.
I'm gonna play a bit with numbers but if you're in your 80's and on the premise that you started following Lincoln at a relatively early age, let's say 10, then you've had 70+ years as a fan. That means you started going mid 1950's. Let's just round it off as 1955.
There's an excellent website, https://sean.mcgivern.me.uk/historical-league-positions/, that allows you to plot out comparative league placings in the English pyramid. Unfortunately it doesn't include non-league placings. neither your one year spell in the 1980's or either clubs more recent spells. Regardless, that's no major issue, when you were in the 1980's we clearly finished above you. Our first year in the Conference in 2010 you finished above us (even if you did get relegated) and then the subsequent 5 years with both clubs in the Conference we were comfortably the higher finisher. Since both clubs have returned to the league, again without doubt, bragging rights belong to yourselves.
But for the absolute majority of your life Grimsby Town have considerably proved to be the higher placed club. It is quite literally the last 6 years were you've had the best run of it, the last time you had it this good colour TV wasn't even a thing! Even still, that gap (which is significant, don't get me wrong) doesn't touch the sides of what we had over you for a good 20 years.
You've never been a rival. You never will be. That's not sour grapes or jealousy, it's a fact that anyone over the age of 25 in our fan base never really considered you as anything other than the outfit down the road. If you saw us as a rival is a different matter, you would suffered really bad neck ache if you were looking up at us a rival for so many years though.
I look on with a combination of envy and admiration at what you've done in the last half a decade, it really is admirable. I'm very cautious for you as to how sustainable it is but here and now it's an achievement and half. I'm not comparing history with the modern, you're the better side now. But why are crowing over us like we're a historical rival? Mansfield and Chesterfield are of a similar distance and travel time to Lincoln, they've historically spent more time at the same level as you - do you go on their forums bragging
Smug is how I currently see the Lincoln supporters I come into contact with both face to face & on social media. The company I work for has an office in Nottingham there’s a few there, though they tend to tone it down a bit as it’s full of Forest fans. No County supporters though, which is odd as they’re generally up their own @rses at the moment as well.
Both ourselves & Lincoln are well owned & on an upward curve, Lincoln are further along than us and it appears have spent considerable amounts on players to progress up the pyramid but don’t have the resources to match some of the current teams in L1, bit like us really in one respect as in L2 some clubs will always spend possibly beyond their means but we’ve been quite well balanced in how we’ve funded the recruitment as we’re taking a sustainable approach, which means our debts won’t cripple us.
Sooner or later we’ll be in the same league, not sure when but its inevitable, we’ll then see who comes out on top on the pitch where smugness counts for nothing.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
Not going to get in to an argument about finances etc etc again, but I can assure you DB that we are on a very sound financial footing - With decent investors who buy shares, not invest by loaning us money. Irrespective of their motives, we have a ground/Pitch that has had lots of upgrades to it, including the SW stand which is now fully open, a very good training ground, and a squad which is worth millions having already sold a millions worth of talent over the Summer.
Whilst I do not think we will trouble the play -offs this year as how can we compete with teams that spend 35 million on their team, I do think we are slowly but surely becoming an established League 1 club, in the fact we don't trouble the bottom 6 really.
When we demolish the stand opposite the CO-OP stand, and build something similar, our capacity will be between 14 and 15k - then we may be able to push on.
I believe Liverpool had an American owner, who after a few years, tried hard to sell the club. It took a fair while before it happened and then there is the Everton fiasco.
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
Not going to get in to an argument about finances etc etc again, but I can assure you DB that we are on a very sound financial footing - With decent investors who buy shares, not invest by loaning us money. Irrespective of their motives, we have a ground/Pitch that has had lots of upgrades to it, including the SW stand which is now fully open, a very good training ground, and a squad which is worth millions having already sold a millions worth of talent over the Summer.
Whilst I do not think we will trouble the play -offs this year as how can we compete with teams that spend 35 million on their team, I do think we are slowly but surely becoming an established League 1 club, in the fact we don't trouble the bottom 6 really.
When we demolish the stand opposite the CO-OP stand, and build something similar, our capacity will be between 14 and 15k - then we may be able to push on.
As always, sensible from yourself to counter the babblings of others.
I keep repeating this point, but it's still the thing I struggle to understand. The investment can't continue, can it? As good and as noble as the intentions of the investors are, they're putting money into your club with a view to making a profit. That's the motivator, nothing else. You've described a perfect storm of stagnation, you don't think you'll trouble the top 6 but you don't think you'll get dragged into relegation either. I think I'd agree with that assessment. There's still some serious big players at that level and the levels of investment are growing, unfortunately the brain-dead levels of spending from the likes of Birmingham, Wrexham et al does nothing other than to encourage others to spend beyond their means.
There has to come a point when the investors will want a return on what they've put in. That can only come in two ways. 1) You become incredibly re-investable/sellable as a club and they're able to sell the share holding at a profit to someone else. 2) You sell assets.
Option 1 would require promotion to the Championship and then I'd argue a period at that level which would include increasing both your capacity and fanbase. Promotion would be incredibly difficult, staying there even harder and then I'm far from convinced on your ability to increase your fanbase beyond what you've got now to be honest. I don't get the willy-waving of away followings but the failure to take the full allocation away at Peterborough should be an indication of the natural ceiling you've got. Unless you double your gate at a higher level, re-investment is going to be very difficult because you'll always need continual investment just to keep your head above the water. That's not appealing to investors.
Option 2. If you sell your ground or your training set-up that's just disaster all round. Let's not even consider that, it would be asset stripping. The other option is player sales. From yourself and other Lincoln fans who post on this board there's clearly a degree of pride and hope in the fact you've got sellable assets in your squad. With a long term picture you might look to say well we've got the scope to continually improve year-on-year if we sell and reinvest. Player X goes this year for £3million, you can spend £3million on buying someone who you then sell for £4million the next year. And so on and so on...
Bit by bit by bit you get better and better. But how long does it take to plug the gap to get promoted and established in the Championship? Quickly enough before the investors get bored? It's also incredibly reliant on getting your recruitment right every single time. That's not even considering the risk of injuries, drop-offs in form etc.
To me I see ongoing investment in a club just to stay where they are (at best). On paper it's not debt, it's not as simple as calling it in. But at some point you will have to return that investment, even if just the initial outlay. I cannot see a realistic scenario where you are able to do that unless an incredibly rich and stupid benefactor comes in.
For what it's worth, this is probably the exact same scenario we're aiming to achieve! Reaching the point that our ceiling will allow us to do so. Beyond that the current economics of football dictate that it's nigh on impossible to break through.
Not going to get in to an argument about finances etc etc again, but I can assure you DB that we are on a very sound financial footing - With decent investors who buy shares, not invest by loaning us money. Irrespective of their motives, we have a ground/Pitch that has had lots of upgrades to it, including the SW stand which is now fully open, a very good training ground, and a squad which is worth millions having already sold a millions worth of talent over the Summer.
Whilst I do not think we will trouble the play -offs this year as how can we compete with teams that spend 35 million on their team, I do think we are slowly but surely becoming an established League 1 club, in the fact we don't trouble the bottom 6 really.
When we demolish the stand opposite the CO-OP stand, and build something similar, our capacity will be between 14 and 15k - then we may be able to push on.
Every club that operates at a loss is potentially at risk. You (like us) have handed out contracts that the club can’t honour by the revenue it generates.
We only have to look at Scunthorpe to see what happens when an owner is either unable or unwilling to put another penny in despite having futures losses already budgeted for.
Both Lincoln & Grimsby have the advantage of more than one investor rather than relying on one person, but neither of us should be getting carried away and be totally at ease with losing millions and millions of pounds.
Not going to get in to an argument about finances etc etc again, but I can assure you DB that we are on a very sound financial footing - With decent investors who buy shares, not invest by loaning us money. Irrespective of their motives, we have a ground/Pitch that has had lots of upgrades to it, including the SW stand which is now fully open, a very good training ground, and a squad which is worth millions having already sold a millions worth of talent over the Summer.
Whilst I do not think we will trouble the play -offs this year as how can we compete with teams that spend 35 million on their team, I do think we are slowly but surely becoming an established League 1 club, in the fact we don't trouble the bottom 6 really.
When we demolish the stand opposite the CO-OP stand, and build something similar, our capacity will be between 14 and 15k - then we may be able to push on.
Genuine question; why bother? You’re at probably the ceiling of what you can realistically achieve given your gates and budgets and history. Your fan base has increased 300% in the last 7 seasons due to an unprecedented and historic FA cup run alongside a title winning season. Since then it’s stagnated and actually slightly decreased despite continued success in the sense that you’ve not spent successive seasons in the top half of L1 in pretty much the lifetime of anyone who’s currently going to matches. Yet even now when you’re 3rd in L1, there were more than 2000 empty seats in the home stands at your last home match and you failed to fill a small away allocation that’s two hours from home. The chances of you massively increasing your attendances again seem, to me at least, to be highly unlikely. So why would “investors” waste millions of pounds doing so?
I honestly don’t believe either Town or Lincoln could survive in the championship, even with a ground that could hold 15k, just look at any club in the championship and see what there yearly losses our, I believe someone like Preston budget for a minimum loss of 10 million per season.
Genuine question; why bother? You’re at probably the ceiling of what you can realistically achieve given your gates and budgets and history. Your fan base has increased 300% in the last 7 seasons due to an unprecedented and historic FA cup run alongside a title winning season. Since then it’s stagnated and actually slightly decreased despite continued success in the sense that you’ve not spent successive seasons in the top half of L1 in pretty much the lifetime of anyone who’s currently going to matches. Yet even now when you’re 3rd in L1, there were more than 2000 empty seats in the home stands at your last home match and you failed to fill a small away allocation that’s two hours from home. The chances of you massively increasing your attendances again seem, to me at least, to be highly unlikely. So why would “investors” waste millions of pounds doing so?
Well they’re building 3000 new homes between the bypass and the Tritton Road with all surrounding villages, including where I am, also having between 200 and 400 hundred new homes being built so population wise the greater Lincoln area could have around 20,000 increase in the next five years. I also have witnessed the complete change of interest in supporting Lincoln by youngsters who previously would be seen in premier league strips now wearing the Lincoln colours. So I don’t expect a significant change in their attendance figures in the near future unless there’s a massive change in their results. All unfortunately makes my life more difficult but I had 30+ good years where we were always better then them so can take the urine taking which comes my way currently.
One final note I get fed up with “fans” like Frazer going on about dog shite around Blundell Park which like every other town, city or village suffers from the same problem but Christ has he not seen where Sincil Bank is situated in what is becoming a no go area at night as it becomes a mini Eastern European suburb!
I believe Liverpool had an American owner, who after a few years, tried hard to sell the club. It took a fair while before it happened and then there is the Everton fiasco.
And? Liverpool have an American owner now, and have gone from the brink of bankruptcy (Through no fault of their own), to the 5th most valuable club in the world?
I honestly don’t believe either Town or Lincoln could survive in the championship, even with a ground that could hold 15k, just look at any club in the championship and see what there yearly losses our, I believe someone like Preston budget for a minimum loss of 10 million per season.
But that is the modern game. As you go up the leagues presumably you attract people who can sustain such losses. Some clubs have come from a lower base than us to get to higher divisions so we have to believe it could happen. Unlikely I admit but surely we won't spend eternity with the third tier as our pinnacle?
Well they’re building 3000 new homes between the bypass and the Tritton Road with all surrounding villages, including where I am, also having between 200 and 400 hundred new homes being built so population wise the greater Lincoln area could have around 20,000 increase in the next five years. I also have witnessed the complete change of interest in supporting Lincoln by youngsters who previously would be seen in premier league strips now wearing the Lincoln colours. So I don’t expect a significant change in their attendance figures in the near future unless there’s a massive change in their results. All unfortunately makes my life more difficult but I had 30+ good years where we were always better then them so can take the urine taking which comes my way currently.
Whilst I do see a few Lincoln tops dotted about, they are just that. In comparison whenever I come back to Grimsby/Cleethorpes it's full of kids sporting the black and white stripes. Perhaps that my own unconscious bias coming into play there though.
With regards the increase in population, what I'm seeing an awful lot of is people moving from further down south to benefit from the comparatively cheaper house prices but still be within a (just) commutable distance of the South-East (2 hours on the train with direct lines 16 times a day or 90 minutes from Newark every half hour). Potentially that's some younger fans you can tap into, but those who are moving into the area will already have teams they support and likely encourage their kids to do the same.
No doubt, more people is more people to go at. But it's not as simple as more people = more fans. In relation to a drop-off of fans, a lot of these 'new' fans haven't seen a excrement season yet, never mind a excrement period. No club is exempt from this rule, well very few, but the number you get when times are good is not your hardcore fan base. We've seen a slow slide in the last 18 months or so because it hasn't been very good to watch, our friends at Sincil Bank are only a relegation away from finding out how loyal their fanbase truly is.
Well they’re building 3000 new homes between the bypass and the Tritton Road with all surrounding villages, including where I am, also having between 200 and 400 hundred new homes being built so population wise the greater Lincoln area could have around 20,000 increase in the next five years. I also have witnessed the complete change of interest in supporting Lincoln by youngsters who previously would be seen in premier league strips now wearing the Lincoln colours. So I don’t expect a significant change in their attendance figures in the near future unless there’s a massive change in their results. All unfortunately makes my life more difficult but I had 30+ good years where we were always better then them so can take the urine taking which comes my way currently.
One final note I get fed up with “fans” like Frazer going on about dog shite around Blundell Park which like every other town, city or village suffers from the same problem but Christ has he not seen where Sincil Bank is situated in what is becoming a no go area at night as it becomes a mini Eastern European suburb!
Quite a sensible post - Some good points - Lincoln is a vibrant City, and is completely changed over the last 20 years - It also has one of the fastest growing populations, so potentially there is more support there - I have also heard our chief executive talk about stretching our support towards Louth etc - and I actually know people that come from Louth to watch Lincoln which used to be a Grimsby stronghold - In answer to the original question, I suppose the club is actively trying to grow the fanbase.
But that is the modern game. As you go up the leagues presumably you attract people who can sustain such losses. Some clubs have come from a lower base than us to get to higher divisions so we have to believe it could happen. Unlikely I admit but surely we won't spend eternity with the third tier as our pinnacle?
Indeed. Bournemouth hold their own in the PL with ground that holds just over 11k. It can be done, it just needs the stars to align (or perhaps a miracle). Keep the dream alive.
But that is the modern game. As you go up the leagues presumably you attract people who can sustain such losses. Some clubs have come from a lower base than us to get to higher divisions so we have to believe it could happen. Unlikely I admit but surely we won't spend eternity with the third tier as our pinnacle?
Those who have made that leap above us generally have had either a rich benefactor or are saddled with ridiculous debt, often both. Debts don't die, rich benefactors do. The rich benefactors are slowly getting replaced by 'investor' types who take on a vanity project and then realise there's no money in it. They're saddled with a dud and will do anything to claw something back. Look at Reading, major success under the money of John Madjeski. Premier League football, new stadium, bigger crowds. Now back in League One, similar gates to when they were their before 25 years ago, basket case owner, ridiculous debt. Every time I hear their name mentioned I presume it's because they've gone pop.
The losses it takes to even sit at those tables are just unrecoverable. No-one can and will sustain them for very long.
Quite a sensible post - Some good points - Lincoln is a vibrant City, and is completely changed over the last 20 years - It also has one of the fastest growing populations, so potentially there is more support there - I have also heard our chief executive talk about stretching our support towards Louth etc - and I actually know people that come from Louth to watch Lincoln which used to be a Grimsby stronghold - In answer to the original question, I suppose the club is actively trying to grow the fanbase.
There was a time when there used to be direct buses from Lincoln to watch the mariners...how times change
Indeed. Bournemouth hold their own in the PL with ground that holds just over 11k. It can be done, it just needs the stars to align (or perhaps a miracle). Keep the dream alive.
It helps if a Russian billionaire comes in and spends hundreds of millions on the club.
Im not sure why anybody would want to waste their money to come to gy to sit in your shitty away stand and give your tinpot club any money whatsover in the mickey mouse cup. We have won this fairly recently and i supported our team ,home and away and a wembley weekend to boot.All praise to anyone who comes to the game and i hope they dont get dog excrement on their trainers before they get into the ground.
They should clean it off before they leave Lincoln then !
If the football is bad you can always watch the gulls.
Well, it's a Grimsby Town fans forum. A forum for Grimsby Town fans. That's mainly why. If I was a Lincoln fan, I'd be on the Lincoln Fans forum. As a Grimsby Town fan, even if there was a thread titled "Grimsby Town" I still wouldn't comment on it, because I'm not a Lincoln fan, though mainly, and I stress this the most, it will be because as a Grimsby fan you won't find me posting on a rivals forum.
I also noticed you commented on the Manchester City thread, is that because you are a fair weather fan and support two clubs?
Almost, I'm very much a self confessed Armchair fan these days, due to 3 life saving Heart Operations in the past couple of years.
I did put in the years of graft so to speak, having been a fan of both clubs since 1976 ... and can still visualise Derek Parlane putting one in the top corner at the Ponny End, in what was my first ever visit to Blundell Park 40 years ago.
Brighton are always held up a responsible club run correctly, but if it wasn’t for their sugar daddy who has pumped in at least 300 million, but as they are classed as loans then they don’t appear on the profit and loss accounts.
Interesting discussion about both clubs re growth etc for the future .An email has dropped into my inbox this afternoon.This saturday is another game of our grassroot initiative/potential new fans ,£15 for an adult and child ,thiis is possible because Orient wont sell out the away end ( stacey west stand) t
About 19/20 junior football teams from the area are coming to watch us ( 500 people came the last time we did it) are grimsby doing anyyhing similar to try and attract new fans to BP? Also 2 of the clubs coming are Skegness u9s and u11s is this an area of grimsby fans on the coast?
We are looking to boost our future support whatever you say.
Interesting discussion about both clubs re growth etc for the future .An email has dropped into my inbox this afternoon.This saturday is another game of our grassroot initiative/potential new fans ,£15 for an adult and child ,thiis is possible because Orient wont sell out the away end ( stacey west stand) t
About 19/20 junior football teams from the area are coming to watch us ( 500 people came the last time we did it) are grimsby doing anyyhing similar to try and attract new fans to BP? Also 2 of the clubs coming are Skegness u9s and u11s is this an area of grimsby fans on the coast?
We are looking to boost our future support whatever you say.
Yeah, they did a schools iniative for the Bromley game , think it was 600-700 tickets given away to local schools (I'm not sure what the radius was ) . There is a decent catchment area for both clubs really.
I know the club do some really good work with Navigo the mental health charity regarding tickets , bits and pieces and a couple of other one's .
Both clubs are well run community assets , not that different in a lot of what they are trying to do moving forward IMO ; Lincoln are a few steps ahead atm - the main difference on 'the journey ' so far is Lincoln managed to use their FA Cup run , The Cowleys and finance from that cup run to really kick on whereas we failed to kick on and use that momentum.
I'm not even sure for us now that was such a bad thing as it's helped the guys at the top learn from a little bit of adversity in an industry they are pretty green in , put a process in place and (hopefully) move on to better things in the longer term .
Interesting discussion about both clubs re growth etc for the future .An email has dropped into my inbox this afternoon.This saturday is another game of our grassroot initiative/potential new fans ,£15 for an adult and child ,thiis is possible because Orient wont sell out the away end ( stacey west stand) t
About 19/20 junior football teams from the area are coming to watch us ( 500 people came the last time we did it) are grimsby doing anyyhing similar to try and attract new fans to BP? Also 2 of the clubs coming are Skegness u9s and u11s is this an area of grimsby fans on the coast?
We are looking to boost our future support whatever you say.
The fact you’re having to do such initiatives when you’re third in L1 says a lot. I sincerely doubt there would be 500 spare tickets at BP if we were third in L2, let alone L1.
Well your ground doesent hold many does it ? Ours holds @10600
Please see Mappers comments re the Bromley game at yours!
Whats wrong with trying to increase attendances for the future if there is space in the away end!
You lot are beyond believe at times!
Haha fucking hell, calm down Santiago Bernabeu. It's hardly the Maracana is it? There's 14 stadiums bigger than that in your league ffs.
The point is you're currently third in L1. You've finished in the top half of L1 in three of the last four seasons. Do you honestly think you're going to get much higher than this? The sums of money involved in football these days mean even if a team the size of Grimsby or Lincoln were to make it to the Championship, without significant loss making or an unbelievably wealthy/stupid backer then it will only ever be a fleeting thing. So you're probably at the pinnacle of what can realistically be achieved which is to say you're established as a L1 side and mostly managing to make the top half with flirtations with the play offs.
Yet despite playing two local rivals in three of your home games this season, you've failed to fill the home end in any of them and in the last game there were 2000 empty seats in the home stand. This is despite doing these initiatives for local kids football clubs multiple times last season in a season where you finished 7th. If the fans aren't coming regularly now, they ain't gonna come. And I don't buy this "the population will increase so so will the attendances". I lived in London Bridge for 6 years but I didn't start supporting or watching Millwall.
And yes we may have done a ticket initiative against Bromley. But the difference is we're STILL going through the worst period in the club's history, we've been almost entirely shite for two decades We've only finished in the top half of a table in the FL twice since the turn of the century and finishing 11th in L2 was our most successful season for 17 years. If we'd had anything like the success you've had since 2016 then we wouldn't be needing to give away tickets on the cheap even if our ground was an enormous 10600
The fact you’re having to do such initiatives when you’re third in L1 says a lot. I sincerely doubt there would be 500 spare tickets at BP if we were third in L2, let alone L1.
That is quite an arrogant post if I am honest - I am not sure you can guarantee you would be 'bursting the seams' should you have a bit of success? It is not 1987 anymore, I think you would be surprised - You get get into League 1, and get smashed week in, week out and your support could actually drop. Make no mistake it is a tough league and I would be lying if we dominate teams - It can be a tough watch at times - Smaller clubs tend to drop straight back down or struggle.
Been discussed before, but the Match day experience is also a key element, the environment is important now, I am 53, and it was less important when I was younger but now, it is so key that people can enjoy the whole day - Football is just a part of it.
There are also finances at play - Support helps grow a club, but it is not the absolute, otherwise Bradford would be in the Championship at worst;
That is quite an arrogant post if I am honest - I am not sure you can guarantee you would be 'bursting the seams' should you have a bit of success? It is not 1987 anymore, I think you would be surprised - You get get into League 1, and get smashed week in, week out and your support could actually drop. Make no mistake it is a tough league and I would be lying if we dominate teams - It can be a tough watch at times - Smaller clubs tend to drop straight back down or struggle.
Been discussed before, but the Match day experience is also a key element, the environment is important now, I am 53, and it was less important when I was younger but now, it is so key that people can enjoy the whole day - Football is just a part of it.
There are also finances at play - Support helps grow a club, but it is not the absolute, otherwise Bradford would be in the Championship at worst;
That's the thing isn't it there are clubs less well resourced who struggle year on year and get pumped most weeks - Cambridge & Shrewsbury immediately come to mind ; they get a big drop in crowds and apathy sets in as there isn't realistically anywhere they can go upwards .
Would we take that now ? Absolutely
Exeter seem a club that have a set process that has worked in regards keeping them competetive year on year in a league higher than they should be naturally operating in probably .
Lincoln managed to attract the investment at the right time , have a set plan in place and look to have maintained an upward trajectory which seems to have worked well - maybe they will get a 'big one ' in the sale of the Scotish lad in midfield both on an initial fee and a big sell on eventually which could negate some of the need for heavy investment over the next few years .
For us I hope the data led approach bears that sort of fruit eventually , I do think we will reach league 1 at some point in the next few years but it's vital when we do we are 'league 1 ready ' and at this moment in time there is a lot of work to do in truth aswell as the obvious extra finance that would be need to be raised just to compete a level up ; which given this initial investment from others of the 1.5 million is encouraging in that there are others willing to fund the club .
I don't really get the attendance argument from anyone , I mean they are basically irrelevant now , might be a nice top up on the donations from people but clubs like tiny Burton & Wycombe now have billionaires in charge that could lob millions and millions at it , same with MK Franchise and many more beside .
That is quite an arrogant post if I am honest - I am not sure you can guarantee you would be 'bursting the seams' should you have a bit of success? It is not 1987 anymore, I think you would be surprised - You get get into League 1, and get smashed week in, week out and your support could actually drop. Make no mistake it is a tough league and I would be lying if we dominate teams - It can be a tough watch at times - Smaller clubs tend to drop straight back down or struggle.
Been discussed before, but the Match day experience is also a key element, the environment is important now, I am 53, and it was less important when I was younger but now, it is so key that people can enjoy the whole day - Football is just a part of it.
There are also finances at play - Support helps grow a club, but it is not the absolute, otherwise Bradford would be in the Championship at worst;
That is quite a patronising post if I’m honest.
What’s so special about the “match day experience” for the average supporter going to Sincil Bank?
For now we’re a good distance away from getting out of L2 but I’m confident we eventually will, what happens then remains to be seen.
For all your bigging up of L1 it’s still the 3rd Division you know.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
That is quite an arrogant post if I am honest - I am not sure you can guarantee you would be 'bursting the seams' should you have a bit of success? It is not 1987 anymore, I think you would be surprised - You get get into League 1, and get smashed week in, week out and your support could actually drop. Make no mistake it is a tough league and I would be lying if we dominate teams - It can be a tough watch at times - Smaller clubs tend to drop straight back down or struggle.
Been discussed before, but the Match day experience is also a key element, the environment is important now, I am 53, and it was less important when I was younger but now, it is so key that people can enjoy the whole day - Football is just a part of it.
There are also finances at play - Support helps grow a club, but it is not the absolute, otherwise Bradford would be in the Championship at worst;
I don’t think it’s arrogant at all. Our attendances went up last season despite being offered up the worst football that we’ve had to endure for about 13 seasons. We were worse under Holloway but Covid meant nobody was there thankfully. They also went up immediately after Fenty was removed despite being relegated and playing teams like Weymouth who brought 12 fans. There hasn’t been a consistent run of success that has seen the bandwagon jumpers pile in like they did with Lincoln (that isn't meant as a slight, just a fact). The season we got promoted we went about 14 games without a win, were never at any risk of troubling the top spot after October and it was only an exceptional play off campaign that saw us get promoted. The season we got to the FA cup quarter final, the league campaign was painful and boring to watch and required a couple of good signings late in January to stop us ending up near the relegation places. The FA cup run was great but it papered over the cracks of a relatively weak squad that was reliant on some very good players for this level (McAtee, Lloyd, Crocombe, Smith).
If at any point we had a swashbuckling team challenging towards the top of a table for a consistent period, which hasn't really happened this century (we had a half decent chance at finishing top in 2015 at one stage but fell away) then we'd likely see an increase in people wanting to attend. That's just football, it happens everywhere. It wouldn't be a 300% increase like Lincoln saw because of capacity limitations and the fact that we didn't abandon our club in the first place so wouldn't be starting from around the 2500 mark. But the fact that this fanbase has endured 20 years of mostly crap with very, very little in the way of success but are still getting 6000 home fans against Bromley suggests, to me at least, that there is far more scope for our attendances to increase from where they are currently (capacity permitting) than yours. You're at your best point in living memory, we're still coming out of our lowest ebb.
The fact you’re having to do such initiatives when you’re third in L1 says a lot. I sincerely doubt there would be 500 spare tickets at BP if we were third in L2, let alone L1.
The last time you were in this position i.e. finishing 3rd in 1998 you averaged 5,601 with one attendance being as low as 4,508..... in the following 5 seasons at Tier 2 level only once did you average above 6,500.
I don’t think it’s arrogant at all. Our attendances went up last season despite being offered up the worst football that we’ve had to endure for about 13 seasons. We were worse under Holloway but Covid meant nobody was there thankfully. They also went up immediately after Fenty was removed despite being relegated and playing teams like Weymouth who brought 12 fans. There hasn’t been a consistent run of success that has seen the bandwagon jumpers pile in like they did with Lincoln (that isn't meant as a slight, just a fact). The season we got promoted we went about 14 games without a win, were never at any risk of troubling the top spot after October and it was only an exceptional play off campaign that saw us get promoted. The season we got to the FA cup final, the league campaign was painful and boring to watch and required a couple of good signings late in January to stop us ending up near the relegation places. The FA cup run was great but it papered over the cracks of a relatively weak squad that was reliant on some very good players for this level (McAtee, Lloyd, Crocombe, Smith).
If at any point we had a swashbuckling team challenging towards the top of a table for a consistent period, which hasn't really happened this century (we had a half decent chance at finishing top in 2015 at one stage but fell away) then we'd likely see an increase in people wanting to attend. That's just football, it happens everywhere. It wouldn't be a 300% increase like Lincoln saw because of capacity limitations and the fact that we didn't abandon our club in the first place so wouldn't be starting from around the 2500 mark. But the fact that this fanbase has endured 20 years of mostly crap with very, very little in the way of success but are still getting 6000 home fans against Bromley suggests, to me at least, that there is far more scope for our attendances to increase from where they are currently (capacity permitting) than yours. You're at your best point in living memory, we're still coming out of our lowest ebb.
The last time you were in this position i.e. finishing 3rd in 1998 you averaged 5,601 with one attendance being as low as 4,508..... in the following 5 seasons at Tier 2 level only once did you average above 6,500.
I'm not really into the attendance debate but it's like comparing apples and oranges - Brighton , Brentford and Luton were averaging what 3 or 4k around that time and gates were his!orically low .
It's like saying look at when Lincoln averaged 4 or 5 seasons in a row of 2k in the conference 'the last time they were there ' on your basis you wouldn't be getting 8 or 9k now would you ?
The historical context of yesteryear isn't relevant now - you are a league up getting more than us , we got more in the past ,who knows what will happen in the future there are 101 variables .
The last time you were in this position i.e. finishing 3rd in 1998 you averaged 5,601 with one attendance being as low as 4,508..... in the following 5 seasons at Tier 2 level only once did you average above 6,500.
The last time we were in that position I was still in primary school. I'm now in my mid 30's. There is no comparison to modern day attendances from 26 years ago.
The last time you were in this position i.e. finishing 3rd in 1998 you averaged 5,601 with one attendance being as low as 4,508..... in the following 5 seasons at Tier 2 level only once did you average above 6,500.
Average crowds across all EFL are about 60 percent higher then they were in the latter part of the last century (199 so a meaningless comparison. Might as well compare with the 1890 ‘s when we were in the top division and you weren't
The last time you were in this position i.e. finishing 3rd in 1998 you averaged 5,601 with one attendance being as low as 4,508..... in the following 5 seasons at Tier 2 level only once did you average above 6,500.
Also doesn't take in to account that last season we sold out more than one home game (home tickets) despite finishing 21st in L2 and getting some absolute pastings at home. You're telling me with bigger away attendances and a successful team we wouldn't get more than we would now because we didn't 26 years ago? Have a day off.
The Imps are 12th in this list with a very credible 9,370 for the size of the club in comparison to these.
What an absolutely silly comment about the “championship mark 2” your dissonance is monumental and shows the smugness your support currently has.
It’s not the case at all, 3 of those clubs you name were relegated last season. Bolton & Charlton have always been well supported & have a massive catchment to draw from, Barnsley seems up on what I’d expect and we all know about Wrexham.
Is 9370 truly credible for a “City” club with a fast growing population who after under a decade of progression some supporters believe they’re the supreme kings of Lincolnshire & assured to stay there.
Like I say sooner or later we’ll be in the same league, for now you’re a division above us but as a club we’re catching up at pace.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
What an absolutely silly comment about the “championship mark 2” your dissonance is monumental and shows the smugness your support currently has.
It’s not the case at all, 3 of those clubs you name were relegated last season. Bolton & Charlton have always been well supported & have a massive catchment to draw from, Barnsley seems up on what I’d expect and we all know about Wrexham.
Is 9370 truly credible for a “City” club with a fast growing population who after under a decade of progression some supporters believe they’re the supreme kings of Lincolnshire & assured to stay there.
Like I say sooner or later we’ll be in the same league, for now you’re a division above us but as a club we’re catching up at pace.
The last time Grimsby Town FC averaged 9,370 was 43 years ago under George Kerr. Come back to me when you finally manage it again, and then we’ll talk.
The last time Grimsby Town FC averaged 9,370 was 43 years ago under George Kerr. Come back to me when you finally manage it again, and then we’ll talk.
Classic response from someone who knows the answer to my question around credible attendance is something they won’t like.
Like I said smug and actually quite arrogant.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
Classic response from someone who knows the answer to my question around credible attendance is something they won’t like.
Like I said smug and actually quite arrogant.
Why is it arrogant, I'm merely posting statistical fact?
This season The Imps average is 9,370 out of a capacity of 10.300 with a lowest of 8.534 (albeit for a midday kick-off) - 12th in L1 Town average 6,125 out of a capacity of 8,100 with a lowest of 5,496 - 12th in L2
Nobody knows what's going to happen in the future or if we'll meet again in the same league anytime soon? At present both clubs are currently in their best positions in years which is great news for both sets of fans
Fact is, as at October 2024 The Imps are a bigger club both on the pitch and off it, with greater revenue streams ..... this is undeniable.
Why is it arrogant, I'm merely posting statistical fact?
This season The Imps average is 9,370 out of a capacity of 10.300 with a lowest of 8.534 (albeit for a midday kick-off) - 12th in L1 Town average 6,125 out of a capacity of 8,100 with a lowest of 5,496 - 12th in L2
Nobody knows what's going to happen in the future or if we'll meet again in the same league anytime soon? At present both clubs are currently in their best positions in years which is great news for both sets of fans
Fact is, as at October 2024 The Imps are a bigger club both on the pitch and off it, with greater revenue streams ..... this is undeniable.
Bigger club or just better off? Does one equal the other.
This is why your post could be seen as arrogant BTW …
“Come back to me when you finally manage it again, and then we’ll talk”.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
Show me a Lincoln fan under 40 who isn't a forum-post away from having their cage rattled and reverting to type. Their forum's shite, their away support poor, and over half their support latched on during the Cowley era; maybe it really is quality over quantity in this case.
Show me a Lincoln fan under 40 who isn't a forum-post away from having their cage rattled and reverting to type. Their forum's shite, their away support poor, and over half their support latched on during the Cowley era; maybe it really is quality over quantity in this case.
Blimey 99% of your fanbase wanted Artell OUT a couple of games ago?
Latched on perhaps, but stuck with them during the mind numbing performances under Kennedy too.
Blimey 99% of your fanbase wanted Artell OUT a couple of games ago?
Latched on perhaps, but stuck with them during the mind numbing performances under Kennedy too.
Absolute bollox! Where do you get 99% from? Some posters on here wanted Artell out, others didn't, and just in case you wasn't aware, The Fishy members are not 99% of the fan base.
Show me a Lincoln fan under 40 who isn't a forum-post away from having their cage rattled and reverting to type. Their forum's shite, their away support poor, and over half their support latched on during the Cowley era; maybe it really is quality over quantity in this case.
It's odd isn't it? Come on here, get rattled by discussions about them having probably hit a ceiling (3rd in L1 and unable to sell out a 1000 away allocation two hours down the road is pathetic by anyone's standards) in terms of progression without daft levels of investment and then start retorting to "We're bigger than you" and going on about attendances from over a quarter of a century ago. Even funnier is the fact that in this numpty's case those of us who have been on here for a decade or more remember him absolutely wetting the bed about how bad they were in the NL, proclaiming he wasn't going to go anymore and disappearing altogether until their fortunes changed drastically. An ego so fragile that he gets rattled and wound up by a forum of a "little club" his team hasn't played in half a decade and can't hack his team going through a difficult patch on the pitch. Imagine spending hundreds of hours and posting thousands of times on another team's fans forum particularly when you're not even playing that team and haven't for ages. Beyond embarrassing.
Neareardleyscrossing is alright as a poster, at least he's sensible and intelligent.
It's odd isn't it? Come on here, get rattled by discussions about them having probably hit a ceiling (3rd in L1 and unable to sell out a 1000 away allocation two hours down the road is pathetic by anyone's standards) in terms of progression without daft levels of investment and then start retorting to "We're bigger than you" and going on about attendances from over a quarter of a century ago. Even funnier is the fact that in this numpty's case those of us who have been on here for a decade or more remember him absolutely wetting the bed about how bad they were in the NL, proclaiming he wasn't going to go anymore and disappearing altogether until their fortunes changed drastically. An ego so fragile that he gets rattled and wound up by a forum of a "little club" his team hasn't played in half a decade and can't hack his team going through a difficult patch on the pitch. Imagine spending hundreds of hours and posting thousands of times on another team's fans forum particularly when you're not even playing that team and haven't for ages. Beyond embarrassing.
Neareardleyscrossing is alright as a poster, at least he's sensible and intelligent.
Helgy was a good lad too.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
Blimey 99% of your fanbase wanted Artell OUT a couple of games ago?
Latched on perhaps, but stuck with them during the mind numbing performances under Kennedy too.
Blimey, 100% of your love for Lincoln flounced out on your forum, you were sick of them losing and declared it was Citeh and nothing else from then on.
What’s so special about the “match day experience” for the average supporter going to Sincil Bank?
For now we’re a good distance away from getting out of L2 but I’m confident we eventually will, what happens then remains to be seen.
For all your bigging up of L1 it’s still the 3rd Division you know.
Certainly wasn't meant to be patronising - Having supported Lincoln for 46 years, I feel qualified to have an opinion on a Lincoln post. Match day experience, Food, atmosphere, safety, ground, facilities, team, transport, parking, - I could go on - That is what I think, as opposed to just a team doing well (But that helps). I am not bigging up League 1, but it is a very big jump - As is every league to be honest. The higher you go, you need more money, better players, better facilities etc etc.. Players have a lot of choice now - It is up to Grimsby to make players choose them.
What an absolutely silly comment about the “championship mark 2” your dissonance is monumental and shows the smugness your support currently has.
It’s not the case at all, 3 of those clubs you name were relegated last season. Bolton & Charlton have always been well supported & have a massive catchment to draw from, Barnsley seems up on what I’d expect and we all know about Wrexham.
Is 9370 truly credible for a “City” club with a fast growing population who after under a decade of progression some supporters believe they’re the supreme kings of Lincolnshire & assured to stay there.
Like I say sooner or later we’ll be in the same league, for now you’re a division above us but as a club we’re catching up at pace.
I will bite - Tell me how you are catching up, at a pace?
Why is it arrogant, I'm merely posting statistical fact?
This season The Imps average is 9,370 out of a capacity of 10.300 with a lowest of 8.534 (albeit for a midday kick-off) - 12th in L1 Town average 6,125 out of a capacity of 8,100 with a lowest of 5,496 - 12th in L2
Nobody knows what's going to happen in the future or if we'll meet again in the same league anytime soon? At present both clubs are currently in their best positions in years which is great news for both sets of fans
Fact is, as at October 2024 The Imps are a bigger club both on the pitch and off it, with greater revenue streams ..... this is undeniable.
Never let facts get in the way of a good story ay Norfolk! You fail to disclose that your average of 9370 has been boosted by large away followings from Barnsley, Mansfield who I’m guessing would have brought circa 2k and Wigan circa 500? This to me equates to an average of 1.5k bringing your average home support to 7. 8 k. Still pretty decent but not as massive as you claim considering your lofty position. I’m guessing both our season ticket numbers are comparable?(GTFC 5.5k) Please correct me if I’m wrong? Like others have stated it will be interesting to see Lincoln’s gate once they inevitably go through a bad spell. I’m far from convinced by all these “new” supporters loyalty if I’m being honest.
It's odd isn't it? Come on here, get rattled by discussions about them having probably hit a ceiling (3rd in L1 and unable to sell out a 1000 away allocation two hours down the road is pathetic by anyone's standards)
Why is having 1,000 fans allocated a tiny wooden Stand with a poor view pathetic?
For whatever reason Cambridge & Peterborough have dumped visiting fans back into relics from a bygone era instead, leaving their new Stands behind the goal half empty? But you'd know all about that, as The Osmond Stand hasn't changed since my last visit 20 years ago.
By your logic then having 440 fans in a much newer Stand with a much better view, 3 hours away is equally pathetic?
I'd say credit to both sets of fans, travelling to games away from home these days is an expensive pastime.
I will bite - Tell me how you are catching up, at a pace?
So cast your mind back to the last time we where relegated, arguably that was worse than the first time but since then…
- New (proper) owners - Fenty paid off early without robbing Peter to pay John - Great CEO recruited - Lifers & hangers on cleared out from BP - Chespside maximised - BP pitch looking like a snooker table - BP being made better - Supporter engagement ⬆️ - Trust & Club worki g together - Best scotch eggs in football - 5k season tickets 3 years in a row (think about the context before you give it the big un, again!) - Supporters on the board - Promoted at the first attempt from a league that took you 100,000’s to get out of) - Best cup run since 39 - Best league finish for ages - Head of recruitment - Proper back room staff - Players getting treated like people/pros & not a commodity - Recruited the manager the owners wanted - Academy products sold on at a profit - Signings sold on at a profit - Accounts stabilising - Loans turned into shares to enable investment - New investors - Better PR within the game - CEO gets a great job replaced by a CEO with great credentials - Technical Director with credibility - Despite patchy football at times and a disappointing league finish last year people are still wanting to come to BP. - Not sure how many shirts we’ve sold but I know it’s a f*** load - Proper community program with excellent leadership. - Girls team progressing - Academy thriving, only this week 5 of the staff achieved proper accreditation - Without getting into debt we pay fees for players, unthinkable under Fenty
I’ve probably missed something, clearly you have whilst you’ve been w******g into your Lincoln mirror.
Pretty decent progress that I reckon within a club that was actually very broken.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
Never let facts get in the way of a good story ay Norfolk! You fail to disclose that your average of 9370 has been boosted by large away followings from Barnsley, Mansfield who I’m guessing would have brought circa 2k and Wigan circa 500? This to me equates to an average of 1.5k bringing your average home support to 7. 8 k. Still pretty decent but not as massive as you claim considering your lofty position. I’m guessing both our season ticket numbers are comparable?(GTFC 5.5k) Please correct me if I’m wrong? Like others have stated it will be interesting to see Lincoln’s gate once they inevitably go through a bad spell. I’m far from convinced by all these “new” supporters loyalty if I’m being honest.
A good story you say?
How about Bradford & Sheff Wednesday (remember them, one of your 'traditional rivals') 7,004 and 6,346 both of whom filled the Osmond Stand I suspect?
Oh btw, I've never claimed Lincoln are 'massive' that's in the domain of the East Coast Scousers, and I'm content to admit that The Imps have hit a ceiling in terms of getting any bigger. Since my first game back in 1975/76' I've always wanted to see them play just 1 season in the 2nd Tier, its as close to happening now than its ever been, although we came damn close during Covid season beating Sunderland over 2 legs to reach Wembley.
Well your ground doesent hold many does it ? Ours holds @10600
Please see Mappers comments re the Bromley game at yours!
Whats wrong with trying to increase attendances for the future if there is space in the away end!
You lot are beyond believe at times!
Blundell Park official attendance - 9,062. This means that massive ground of yours holds only just over 1500 more than ours -hardly an enormous amount more.
The Future is Black & White. "The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa
Blundell Park official attendance - 9,062. This means that massive ground of yours holds only just over 1500 more than ours -hardly an enormous amount more.
Cheers for that, i'll adjust the figures accordingly.
The Imps average is 9,370 out of a capacity of 10.300 with a lowest of 8.534 (albeit for a midday kick-off) - 12th in L1 Town average 6,125 out of a capacity of 9,062 with a lowest of 5,496 - 12th in L2
How about Bradford & Sheff Wednesday (remember them, one of your 'traditional rivals') 7,004 and 6,346 both of whom filled the Osmond Stand I suspect?
Oh btw, I've never claimed Lincoln are 'massive' that's in the domain of the East Coast Scousers, and I'm content to admit that The Imps have hit a ceiling in terms of getting any bigger. Since my first game back in 1975/76' I've always wanted to see them play just 1 season in the 2nd Tier, its as close to happening now than its ever been, although we came damn close during Covid season beating Sunderland over 2 legs to reach Wembley.
First game in 75/76? I assume that was the league cup final against Newcastle?
How about Bradford & Sheff Wednesday (remember them, one of your 'traditional rivals') 7,004 and 6,346 both of whom filled the Osmond Stand I suspect?
Oh btw, I've never claimed Lincoln are 'massive' that's in the domain of the East Coast Scousers, and I'm content to admit that The Imps have hit a ceiling in terms of getting any bigger. Since my first game back in 1975/76' I've always wanted to see them play just 1 season in the 2nd Tier, its as close to happening now than its ever been, although we came damn close during Covid season beating Sunderland over 2 legs to reach Wembley.
Aye, must be galling never to have seen your team play in the second tier, let alone the top tier...cough, cough, cough.....
Why is having 1,000 fans allocated a tiny wooden Stand with a poor view pathetic?
For whatever reason Cambridge & Peterborough have dumped visiting fans back into relics from a bygone era instead, leaving their new Stands behind the goal half empty? But you'd know all about that, as The Osmond Stand hasn't changed since my last visit 20 years ago.
By your logic then having 440 fans in a much newer Stand with a much better view, 3 hours away is equally pathetic?
I'd say credit to both sets of fans, travelling to games away from home these days is an expensive pastime.
Yes in fairness the first thing I check when deciding if I’m going to an away game is how old the stand is. What on earth are you on about?!
You’re third in L1, the peak of the club within living memory, in the middle of a record breaking undefeated run on the road and you can only take 900 fans two hours down the road. Very poor effort from such a massive and famously loyal fanbase.
Its not the peak in living memory whatsoever ! In tje covid season where nobody saw a bloody thing in person till the end of we were top at Xmas of league 1 cant remember exact date we went top and missed out on promotion at the poff final to blackpool.
We had a good couple of loans currently starring in the premiership for that season,Brennan Johnson and Morgan Rogers.
I think you were in the non league at the time( not 100%sure)probably not looking at the football league.
Its not the peak in living memory whatsoever ! In tje covid season where nobody saw a bloody thing in person till the end of we were top at Xmas of league 1 cant remember exact date we went top and missed out on promotion at the poff final to blackpool.
We had a good couple of loans currently starring in the premiership for that season,Brennan Johnson and Morgan Rogers.
I think you were in the non league at the time( not 100%sure)probably not looking at the football league.
Cheers for that, i'll adjust the figures accordingly.
The Imps average is 9,370 out of a capacity of 10.300 with a lowest of 8.534 (albeit for a midday kick-off) - 12th in L1 Town average 6,125 out of a capacity of 9,062 with a lowest of 5,496 - 12th in L2
You won't fit more than 8400 in Blundell Park with a tin opener that's a fact.
I will bite - Tell me how you are catching up, at a pace?
Dunno about the description of the speed of how we're catching you up. But I think it's sensible to say we are catching you, or rather your ability to hold your lead is dwindling. By your own admission, you're not going to trouble at the pointy end of the League One stick for the duration. You and your fellow Imps might not agree but I think that's your ceiling reached.
Anything we do to move forward will naturally close that gap between the two clubs, simply because you can't move any further forward. Conversations on here aside, I do think that's a shame that football is in such a way these days that such a ceiling is as low as that (again, I include ourselves in that as I cannot imagine a future that sees us able to overcome the sheer magnitude of money thrown at the top end of League One over the course of the season).
Congrats on last night mate, a playoff push is definitely on!
You can’t beat a 95th minute towering headed equaliser in Fergie-time against none other than Steve Bruce
Consistency is key we need another result Saturday to send a message out .I see nothing to fear in Lge 2 nobody seems to spend like Wrexham and Stockport did this time around? Top 10 flirting with play offs will do me
Ceiling really !?! I dont think so ! Catching us up wow really ,lets face it your not going to have a promotion any season soon are you!?!
We have a thriving youth set up and will january/june sell a player for @£1.5 million ( this summer we sold 2 for @ £1million)
We have future interests ( sell on %s) on 16 players currently!
Which wont all come off i grant you!
Wow your pitch has improved come and see ours !?!and our training ground pitches. We win awards for fan zone/fan engagement/ transparency and diectors equity in club not loans! Have your owners done that yet?
Your a million miles away from us!
217 away last night! Your massive southern exiles support!
Ceiling really !?! I dont think so ! Catching us up wow really ,lets face it your not going to have a promotion any season soon are you!?!
We have a thriving youth set up and will january/june sell a player for @£1.5 million ( this summer we sold 2 for @ £1million)
We have future interests ( sell on %s) on 16 players currently!
Which wont all come off i grant you!
Wow your pitch has improved come and see ours !?!and our training ground pitches. We win awards for fan zone/fan engagement/ transparency and diectors equity in club not loans! Have your owners done that yet?
Your a million miles away from us!
217 away last night! Your massive southern exiles support!
Haha
Are you 13?
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
Don’t worry Lincoln are top of league one and they still cannot sell out the ground. 7500gimps 1200 away fans pathetic looking like another 4 million loss this season. lol Administration here they come.
Ceiling really !?! I dont think so ! Catching us up wow really ,lets face it your not going to have a promotion any season soon are you!?!
We have a thriving youth set up and will january/june sell a player for @£1.5 million ( this summer we sold 2 for @ £1million)
We have future interests ( sell on %s) on 16 players currently!
Which wont all come off i grant you!
Wow your pitch has improved come and see ours !?!and our training ground pitches. We win awards for fan zone/fan engagement/ transparency and diectors equity in club not loans! Have your owners done that yet?
Your a million miles away from us!
217 away last night! Your massive southern exiles support!
Ceiling really !?! I dont think so ! Catching us up wow really ,lets face it your not going to have a promotion any season soon are you!?!
We have a thriving youth set up and will january/june sell a player for @£1.5 million ( this summer we sold 2 for @ £1million)
We have future interests ( sell on %s) on 16 players currently!
Which wont all come off i grant you!
Wow your pitch has improved come and see ours !?!and our training ground pitches. We win awards for fan zone/fan engagement/ transparency and diectors equity in club not loans! Have your owners done that yet?
Your a million miles away from us!
217 away last night! Your massive southern exiles support!
Haha
You certainly weren't one of the 500 that Lincoln brought to ours for a derby during the festive season in non league. Our fans would never do that no matter what league we were in.... Enjoy your day in the sun...There's a big black and white cloud on the horizon.
PS weve been selling million + players for years...
Don’t worry Lincoln are top of league one and they still cannot sell out the ground. 7500gimps 1200 away fans pathetic looking like another 4 million loss this season. lol Administration here they come.
Gilbert i wasnt because we decided on lincolnshire police advice not to travel on the dangerous roads that night.Before the idiot from boston comes on and says it was ok for him to travel to yours ,i couldnt care less the roads i believe are flatter than the hilly route we travel from lincoln.
Ceiling really !?! I dont think so ! Catching us up wow really ,lets face it your not going to have a promotion any season soon are you!?!
We have a thriving youth set up and will january/june sell a player for @£1.5 million ( this summer we sold 2 for @ £1million)
We have future interests ( sell on %s) on 16 players currently!
Which wont all come off i grant you!
Wow your pitch has improved come and see ours !?!and our training ground pitches. We win awards for fan zone/fan engagement/ transparency and diectors equity in club not loans! Have your owners done that yet?
Your a million miles away from us!
217 away last night! Your massive southern exiles support!
Haha
I genuinely pity you. I think you must be one of the thickest but certainly the saddest individual I’ve ever come across either online or in real life.
I genuinely pity you. I think you must be one of the thickest but certainly the saddest individual I’ve ever come across either online or in real life.
After years of you posting on here that is quite an accolade for Davey boy 😂
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
Gilbert i wasnt because we decided on lincolnshire police advice not to travel on the dangerous roads that night.Before the idiot from boston comes on and says it was ok for him to travel to yours ,i couldnt care less the roads i believe are flatter than the hilly route we travel from lincoln.
Yes Dave. The weather wasn't that bad. i live in Lincoln and managed to make it over. It was the same in the home games if you look at Lincoln's home attendances against us in the conference...we sold every time and out took between 2200-2500 fans in 5500 gates.
Where were your fans then? when your club really needed you.
Yes Dave. The weather wasn't that bad. i live in Lincoln and managed to make it over. It was the same in the home games if you look at Lincoln's home attendances against us in the conference...we sold every time and out took between 2200-2500 fans in 5500 gates.
Where were your fans then? when your club really needed you.
Well they weren’t there last night when they could have ended the evening 2nd behind Brum. The confirmed number at Gillingham was 270 not 217, so Lincoln took 44 more fans on a trip that is 100 miles shorter. Scunthorpe took more on a similar length trip to Brackley.
Gilbert i wasnt because we decided on lincolnshire police advice not to travel on the dangerous roads that night.Before the idiot from boston comes on and says it was ok for him to travel to yours ,i couldnt care less the roads i believe are flatter than the hilly route we travel from lincoln.
The Wolds, through which the A16 takes you, are famously flat. It wasn’t even a night game when you brought less than 500, we used to play you on Boxing Day and NYD.
Ceiling really !?! I dont think so ! Catching us up wow really ,lets face it your not going to have a promotion any season soon are you!?!
We have a thriving youth set up and will january/june sell a player for @£1.5 million ( this summer we sold 2 for @ £1million)
We have future interests ( sell on %s) on 16 players currently!
Which wont all come off i grant you!
Wow your pitch has improved come and see ours !?!and our training ground pitches. We win awards for fan zone/fan engagement/ transparency and diectors equity in club not loans! Have your owners done that yet?
Your a million miles away from us!
217 away last night! Your massive southern exiles support!
Haha
I think you will find we are less than a million miles from you - more like about 45 actually. I hope your valuation of your players is better than your judgement on distances.
The Future is Black & White. "The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa
Don’t worry Lincoln are top of league one and they still cannot sell out the ground. 7500gimps 1200 away fans pathetic looking like another 4 million loss this season. lol Administration here they come.
hello Yoda - you're still alive then? what were your thoughts on last night's performance? Whilst you're at it, would be interested to hear your views on the previous 2 victories, as you've been surprisingly quiet.....
The Wolds, through which the A16 takes you, are famously flat. It wasn’t even a night game when you brought less than 500, we used to play you on Boxing Day and NYD.
Famously flat? How about the usual way up the A46 over Caistor Top? It was so treacherous we drove back via the M180 after.
It was a night game btw, and should’ve been abandoned due to a snowstorm. I think Ciaran Toner scored for you, and there was 691 Imps there who took another dismal defeat on the chin.
9 visits for me, 8 with The Imps, 1 with City = 0 wins and an absolute pasting on the North Shore … aah the memories ☺️
Famously flat? How about the usual way up the A46 over Caistor Top? It was so treacherous we drove back via the M180 after.
It was a night game btw, and should’ve been abandoned due to a snowstorm. I think Ciaran Toner scored for you, and there was 691 Imps there who took another dismal defeat on the chin.
9 visits for me, 8 with The Imps, 1 with City = 0 wins and an absolute pasting on the North Shore … aah the memories ☺️
Yep, that was in 2005. You also failed to bring more than 500 when we were in the NL and played you on NYD. I managed to get to and from Woodhall with my dad for the game in 2005 via Louth and Horncastle, really wasn’t that bad.
Famously flat? How about the usual way up the A46 over Caistor Top? It was so treacherous we drove back via the M180 after.
It was a night game btw, and should’ve been abandoned due to a snowstorm. I think Ciaran Toner scored for you, and there was 691 Imps there who took another dismal defeat on the chin.
9 visits for me, 8 with The Imps, 1 with City = 0 wins and an absolute pasting on the North Shore … aah the memories ☺️
That's not bad you escaped without getting dogshit on your wellies.The game mentioned was NYD and you brought 400 odd .On the Imps forum it was a whole catalogue of excuses not to attend only old guard and montrose imp from memory told it how it should be. A local Derby 45 Mile away you flipping get there and support your team cos the codheads always sell out the away end at SB
Famously flat? How about the usual way up the A46 over Caistor Top? It was so treacherous we drove back via the M180 after.
It was a night game btw, and should’ve been abandoned due to a snowstorm. I think Ciaran Toner scored for you, and there was 691 Imps there who took another dismal defeat on the chin.
9 visits for me, 8 with The Imps, 1 with City = 0 wins and an absolute pasting on the North Shore … aah the memories ☺️
Which is the best way to get from Lincoln to BP. Otherwise you're going through the whole of Grimsby/half of Cleethorpes as opposed to a couple of miles before hitting the dual carriageway.
It was and still is the most pathetic excuse for what was a poor attendance. The number you brought/didn't bring 20 years ago has no relevance to each clubs respective position as of today, but let's not pretend that Lincoln were either well supported or travelled in high numbers until the recent success triggered by the Cowley brothers.
Still find it hilarious that the 6 fingered illegitimates wrote to the National league to get the Boxing Day/New Years Day fixtures swapped as we kept beating them
That's not bad you escaped without getting dogshit on your wellies.The game mentioned was NYD and you brought 400 odd .On the Imps forum it was a whole catalogue of excuses not to attend only old guard and montrose imp from memory told it how it should be. A local Derby 45 Mile away you flipping get there and support your team cos the codheads always sell out the away end at SB
Montrose Imp and I were discussing it this very morning, at our age games tend to blur into each another. I missed the 4-2 when Yeo scored a hat-trick ... typical.
Which is the best way to get from Lincoln to BP. Otherwise you're going through the whole of Grimsby/half of Cleethorpes as opposed to a couple of miles before hitting the dual carriageway.
It was and still is the most pathetic excuse for what was a poor attendance. The number you brought/didn't bring 20 years ago has no relevance to each clubs respective position as of today, but let's not pretend that Lincoln were either well supported or travelled in high numbers until the recent success triggered by the Cowley brothers.
I'm not, but that was then and this is now, how long it will last nobody knows. I remember Hull City averaging 3,500 at Boothferry not so long ago, now look at them?
Montrose Imp and I were discussing it this very morning, at our age games tend to blur into each another. I missed the 4-2 when Yeo scored a hat-trick ... typical.
I'm not, but that was then and this is now, how long it will last nobody knows. I remember Hull City averaging 3,500 at Boothferry not so long ago, now look at them?
Around that time the best visit to SB we won 1-4 and not only filled the official away end but had quite a few in the echo stand yet the home stands were pretty sparsely populated..One of only two times I recall seeing us score direct from a corner past the hapless Farman. He was easily motm but for him we'd have scored 7-8. In the build up to that particular game on here we wanted more tickets the Imps wanted to sell them but OB put the mockers on it.
Can you prove these 2200-2500 away fans at ours? Which games are you saying these were please ?
I thought you must be a new fan....these were the days when you used to give us the two blocks of the coop closest to south park, plus some in the IMPS stand. Didnt like us outnumbering home fans so you put us in the stacey west after that.
This perfectly illustrates the differences in our support when you consider we always sell out at yours. As well as the overall head to head. Yopu might notice big gaps when we didnt play you....this is when we were in the top two divisions.
I thought you must be a new fan....these were the days when you used to give us the two blocks of the coop closest to south park, plus some in the IMPS stand. Didnt like us outnumbering home fans so you put us in the stacey west after that.
This perfectly illustrates the differences in our support when you consider we always sell out at yours. As well as the overall head to head. Yopu might notice big gaps when we didnt play you....this is when we were in the top two divisions.
Really interesting stats there , did we have more fans at Sincil Bank in some of those seasons when they were getting the 2.5k crowds ? .
Lincoln is like most Town / Cities there are some nice parts and bad parts but that area around the ground wasn't much better than around the Town ground area when I lived there for a few years around 20 years ago - some interesting and dangerous characters kicking around ; not sure whether that's changed much but 'Ritzy's' nightclub when I lived there was pretty legendary for all the right /wrong reason and would give the old gully's a run for it's money .
I don’t begrudge Lincoln their success in reaching the dizzying heights of the top half of the 3rd tier, after all they’ve had very little success in their entire history. Welcome to the Fishy Mr Frazer. If you are as old as you say you are , you no doubt have a sore neck from looking up at us for most of your life , as well as a lot of pent up frustration and jealousy! Personally I’ve never considered Lincoln as rivals , too small fry . Please enjoy your gloating while it lasts, the natural order will be resumed before long .
I don’t begrudge Lincoln their success in reaching the dizzying heights of the top half of the 3rd tier, after all they’ve had very little success in their entire history. Welcome to the Fishy Mr Frazer. If you are as old as you say you are , you no doubt have a sore neck from looking up at us for most of your life , as well as a lot of pent up frustration and jealousy! Personally I’ve never considered Lincoln as rivals , too small fry . Please enjoy your gloating while it lasts, the natural order will be resumed before long .
No I never considered them major rivals , just saw them as a club managed by the legendary Big Keith for a while that played a throwback style of football . David Fraser has made me think about them more with the constant gloating/goading posts whatever you want to call it .
The original point of the thread was to highlight how much it takes to compete at league one level more than anything else hut has ended up something else entirely .
Really interesting stats there , did we have more fans at Sincil Bank in some of those seasons when they were getting the 2.5k crowds ? .
Lincoln is like most Town / Cities there are some nice parts and bad parts but that area around the ground wasn't much better than around the Town ground area when I lived there for a few years around 20 years ago - some interesting and dangerous characters kicking around ; not sure whether that's changed much but 'Ritzy's' nightclub when I lived there was pretty legendary for all the right /wrong reason and would give the old gully's a run for it's money .
I spent 23 years in the building trade working all over the country on rough housing estates, especially in Hull, Scunny and Lincoln. In all that time I had my van broken in to and tools stolen twice . Both times it was on the Birchwood estate in Lincoln ! As you say there are nice areas and rough areas in every town and city and although Lincoln has grown and the nice areas improved immensely, it certainly has its fair share of bad ones as well.
To be fair though , I like Lincoln as a place . In my younger days me and my mates often used to get the train on a Saturday morning and spend the day drinking round the high st before getting the last train home . I took my lad there this summer for a walk round the cathedral and marina and he thoroughly enjoyed it. Most of the Lincoln fans I’ve worked with and met over the years have been very friendly , knowledgeable and enjoyed a bit of rivalry type banter but with respect. I wouldn’t want to tar them all with the same brush as our friend David who seems to have a massive chip on his shoulder.
I spent 23 years in the building trade working all over the country on rough housing estates, especially in Hull, Scunny and Lincoln. In all that time I had my van broken in to and tools stolen twice . Both times it was on the Birchwood estate in Lincoln ! As you say there are nice areas and rough areas in every town and city and although Lincoln has grown and the nice areas improved immensely, it certainly has its fair share of bad ones as well.
Sounds interesting captain in my 20's I worked at a council for a while , down south though - the locals didn't seem to like us and getting called 'council wanke*rs' and the van with the logo on getting egged seemed to be a regular occurence . You definitely met a lot of characters though (good and bad) , Imagine your experience was similiar . That Birchwood in Lincoln was pretty bad I remember that , i have not been there since I lived there though 20 years ago so I wouldn't know what it"s like now - I just drive over all those roundabouts when i come up for games ; that Damons was always decent there I wonder if that's still going
Captaincod the natural order as you call it wont be restored anytime soon any time scale on this comment ! Of course Lincoln has good and bad areas what City doesent ! I think you all need to come back into 2024,the here and now,Reality and not 50years or so ago.
Captaincod the natural order as you call it wont be restored anytime soon any time scale on this comment ! Of course Lincoln has good and bad areas what City doesent ! I think you all need to come back into 2024,the here and now,Reality and not 50years or so ago.
Well done Dave , didn’t take long. Hook , line and sinker! Enjoy your days in the sunshine , as I said you haven’t had many !
Captaincod the natural order as you call it wont be restored anytime soon any time scale on this comment ! Of course Lincoln has good and bad areas what City doesent ! I think you all need to come back into 2024,the here and now,Reality and not 50years or so ago.
To be fair Lincoln is a beautiful city centre and has had major investment all around . Grimsby is a dump through and through …… however , Grimsby Town FC will always be a bigger club than Lincoln City , it’s just one of those boring facts
Captaincod the natural order as you call it wont be restored anytime soon any time scale on this comment ! Of course Lincoln has good and bad areas what City doesent ! I think you all need to come back into 2024,the here and now,Reality and not 50years or so ago.
You must be either very naive or arrogant to imply that " the natural" won't be restored anytime soon. There is only 25 circa places between us in the football pyramid. It's not inconceivable that we could finish the season in a play off position and there is no guarantee that you will continue with your good form or position.
The Future is Black & White. "The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa
I would assume Lincoln as a city has improved over the last decade is mostly due to the university, this will bring in I would assume 10/20 thousand students that require accommodation and watering holes. Some of these may even take in a game or two.
The university sponsor one of shirts ( away) plus a small stand which gives /sells seats to the students! And we have a training agreement of them.
I find it amusing obviously why is gtfc a bigger club and why obviously will always will be !?! Please enlighten us because not one thing do you currently outscore us on ! Yes 50years ago maybe BUT please its the here and now 2024 not the 70s.
The university sponsor one of shirts ( away) plus a small stand which gives /sells seats to the students! And we have a training agreement of them.
I find it amusing obviously why is gtfc a bigger club and why obviously will always will be !?! Please enlighten us because not one thing do you currently outscore us on ! Yes 50years ago maybe BUT please its the here and now 2024 not the 70s.
You’ve been above us for literally 6 seasons. Congrats. Your peak is top half of L1, well done chaps.
Your history is it!thats why your a bigger club and always will be !
ABSOLUTE balderdash AS USUAL ON THE FISHY FORUM
I mean this with sincerity David.
Historically Rob has reached out to members where it appears posting on here becomes obsessive and is not good for their mental well being, I suspect you’re in that space, maybe give it a rest for a bit before you get a suspension.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
Your history is it!thats why your a bigger club and always will be !
ABSOLUTE balderdash AS USUAL ON THE FISHY FORUM
If you’re going to post on another teams forum , trying to goad them and wind them up, it might not be a good idea if you get so wound up yourself! If you read the whole thread there are many complimentary posts about your team and city. You seem to have an ignorance of history though, we’ve been bigger and better than you up until the last 6/7 years . I don’t know where the last 50 years come in to it!
Out of interest does David Frazer post on the Lincoln site, and if he says he does is it under the same name, just so that we can check his involvement.
Out of interest does David Frazer post on the Lincoln site, and if he says he does is it under the same name, just so that we can check his involvement.
The Biggest crowd in Lincolnshire this weekend, with slightly under 9k Imps fans packed the par …(sorry wrong thread) packed old Sinny Bank/LNER.
2 goals from 2 ex-Academy lads saw The Imps maintain their play-off position with a narrow but exciting win against Leyton Orient.
Next up after the International break (Roughan, McKiernan & Duffy all away on duty) are ‘moneybags’ West Midlands ‘giants’ Birmingham City.
On paper a bit of a mismatch perhaps, but in recent times the likes of Sunderland, Sheff Weds, Ipswich & Derby have all succumbed to the mini Hampden Roar*
*Simon Inglis - The Football Grounds of England & Wales
The Biggest crowd in Lincolnshire this weekend, with slightly under 9k Imps fans packed the par …(sorry wrong thread) packed old Sinny Bank/LNER.
2 goals from 2 ex-Academy lads saw The Imps maintain their play-off position with a narrow but exciting win against Leyton Orient.
Next up after the International break (Roughan, McKiernan & Duffy all away on duty) are ‘moneybags’ West Midlands ‘giants’ Birmingham City.
On paper a bit of a mismatch perhaps, but in recent times the likes of Sunderland, Sheff Weds, Ipswich & Derby have all succumbed to the mini Hampden Roar*
*Simon Inglis - The Football Grounds of England & Wales
Really, considering your detailed debrief I take it you went to the game as well?
I tell you what ……
No need to ever post on here again, nobody is interested in what you have to say. If anyone wants to read about Lincoln they can look on the web, save yourself some valuable time.
BTW when Lincolnshire only has 2 EFL sides boasting about the biggest crowd makes you look silly.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
What were the odds on Duffy getting an international call up? Presume he'd know having been fined for betting... or is that swept under the rug now because it's your team?
Duffy is out injured at the moment so no odds! All sorted with a small fine so when fit he is able to be selected again if he can get in the match day squad
The betting account was stupidly opened by our Duffy for his 16year old brother i read.No betting on our games.Lesson learned i hope .
Sometimes you've just got to hold your hands up and say you were beaten by a better West Midlands based team .... but hey enough about Walsall
If the penalty is converted by Reeco (who hadn't touched the ball before stepping up to take it ) then who knows what happens in the last 10 minutes. Birmingham though are the best side I have seen at Tier 3 Level in years, and I wouldn't back against them winning back to back promotions.
Sometimes you've just got to hold your hands up and say you were beaten by a better West Midlands based team .... but hey enough about Walsall
If the penalty is converted by Reeco (who hadn't touched the ball before stepping up to take it ) then who knows what happens in the last 10 minutes. Birmingham though are the best side I have seen at Tier 3 Level in years, and I wouldn't back against them winning back to back promotions.
Sometimes you've just got to hold your hands up and say you were beaten by a better West Midlands based team .... but hey enough about Walsall
If the penalty is converted by Reeco (who hadn't touched the ball before stepping up to take it ) then who knows what happens in the last 10 minutes. Birmingham though are the best side I have seen at Tier 3 Level in years, and I wouldn't back against them winning back to back promotions.
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Oh dear. Am I the one coming on to a Lincoln forum to bring up a thread that nobody has posted on for over a fortnight? Or searching back through pages and pages of threads in the summer to bring it back up again when nobody had posted on it for over three months? I don't even go on the Lincoln forum, let alone post about a different club in a different league on there.
You're an exceptionally sad little man who nobody on here has any respect for after your pissy-fit when your team was shite.
If you want the thread to disappear - leave them too it. 2 Lincoln fans congratulating themselves. They’ll soon get fed up. If folk keep answering back and giving them what they want - it just carries on..
Agree about deleting , I don't really get the rivalry thing it's mild at best compared to The Tigers and Scunny it's almost a false created one tbh since they started doing as good as us and now better .
Let them get on with it and close the thread as I don't seem to be able to do it .
The original point of it was only to highlight how difficult it is to compete at league 1 level and the finance required , but spiralled into something slightly different .
It's some level of sadness when you go onto a rivals board to explain why your team lost but when it's your second team (that you abandoned in non league) that was defeated it defies logic.
Happy Weekend to you All! Even Yoda who cant read numbers that 3 million is not 4million ! I haven read the latest on here however i think you have to hold your hands up at times and admit you were beaten by a better team in Birmingham whose budget for the season is £25million ! There passing was sublime at times ,short and long it was to feet.
Perhaps you lot need to recognise that your not going to go from a relegation haunted team for the last 2 seasons to a poff team.
Happy Weekend to you All! Even Yoda who cant read numbers that 3 million is not 4million ! I haven read the latest on here however i think you have to hold your hands up at times and admit you were beaten by a better team in Birmingham whose budget for the season is £25million ! There passing was sublime at times ,short and long it was to feet.
Perhaps you lot need to recognise that your not going to go from a relegation haunted team for the last 2 seasons to a poff team.
Agree about deleting , I don't really get the rivalry thing it's mild at best compared to The Tigers and Scunny it's almost a false created one tbh since they started doing as good as us and now better .
I say keep it going. In the short-term it highlights what sharp objects these Lincoln fans are. It will also be so sweet in the not too distant future when normality is resumed and Town, as the traditionally bigger and better club, regain their rightful place as the Lincolnshire's #1 club.
Well pizza care to put a timescale on this overtaking of lincolnshire no 1 team? Bigger and Better club haha again this isnt happening any time soon and lets face it while you remain in the dump probably will never happen even if yoda becomes a billionaire after he leaves school!
Well pizza care to put a timescale on this overtaking of lincolnshire no 1 team? Bigger and Better club haha again this isnt happening any time soon and lets face it while you remain in the dump probably will never happen even if yoda becomes a billionaire after he leaves school!
My mother moved to Lincoln from the Grimsby area about five years ago, she was offered a place there when her sheltered housing closed. She met a Lincoln fan who became her partner. He always genuinely follows Grimsby's results and we have a bit of friendly banter. You couldn't meet a nicer guy, just saying.
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Well pizza care to put a timescale on this overtaking of lincolnshire no 1 team? Bigger and Better club haha again this isnt happening any time soon and lets face it while you remain in the dump probably will never happen even if yoda becomes a billionaire after he leaves school!
My mother moved to Lincoln from the Grimsby area about five years ago, she was offered a place there when her sheltered housing closed. She met a Lincoln fan who became her partner. He always genuinely follows Grimsby's results and we have a bit of friendly banter. You couldn't meet a nicer guy, just saying.
I work here in Lincoln (Lincoln signalling centre) I work with 4 Lincoln city season ticket holders and around 5-6 other Lincoln fans and every single one of them want Grimsby to do well, there is friendly banter (obviously) but they are all genuine fans.
Well pizza care to put a timescale on this overtaking of lincolnshire no 1 team? Bigger and Better club haha again this isnt happening any time soon and lets face it while you remain in the dump probably will never happen even if yoda becomes a billionaire after he leaves school!
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Unlike David Frazer I actually work with a lot of GENUINE imp fans and same as what everybody else’s have been saying really no animosity just friendly banter. David strikes me as someone who sits in his armchair all day.
Poor old David Frazier he is a mental patient. I assume he is in Rampton hospital or he will be when they go bankrupt after another 4 million loss.
You don't seem a very popular figure Yoda, and unlike your username, I doubt you are drenched with wisdom.
We certainly won't go bankrupt as pointed out many times - They are shares, not repayable loans - Worst case scenario, money stops being put in to the club and we sell assets, which we clearly have - The academy is thriving too, hence we have players playing for the first team that have come through the Academy system. If that worst case scenario happened, then I suppose we would be like yourselves with a relatively small budget. There are very few teams now, L1 and above who don't overspend, those that don't, usually go down.
Whilst Football used to be cyclical, I am not sure it is as much now - Money talks in todays game - Unless you have some luck with a cup draw etc, and spend that money wisely. I hope Grimsby do improve, games between us now would be good and sell outs both ends - Even though we were beat Saturday by B'Ham, it was a great game and a great atmosphere. We are clearly in a false position but I would go so far as to say we are now a fully established L1 side, we facilities and infrastructure to match.
Hopefully Artell gets you moving up the league and realises that success is built from the back.
We certainly won't go bankrupt as pointed out many times - They are shares, not repayable loans - Worst case scenario, money stops being put in to the club and we sell assets, which we clearly have - The academy is thriving too, hence we have players playing for the first team that have come through the Academy system. If that worst case scenario happened, then I suppose we would be like yourselves with a relatively small budget. There are very few teams now, L1 and above who don't overspend, those that don't, usually go down.
Unfortunately no-one can be confident on this claim. I include GTFC in that too. We're both in that position that our owners or majority shareholders could decide to no longer plug the gap which absolutely screws us over.
The last I saw you were requiring £3million a year to plug that gap (the one you mention that stops you struggling at the wrong end of League One). If overnight you find that no-one is willing to put another £3million in can you raise £3million in player sales to cover costs for the next 12 months and then for as long as player contracts are running? Sadly as soon as word gets out that a club is a skint everyone wants to undercut you, both clubs trying to get your assets at a knockdown price and then players/agents holding out on lucrative contracts or wanting a hefty percentage pay-off to rip them up.
The plugging of losses by shareholders/owners is the new ITV Digital. Clubs didn't become skint overnight because they spunked the money on transfers, they became skint overnight because they issued 3-year contracts on an income stream that disappeared overnight. Clubs still had to pay the wages but on reduced income, what they found was that a phenomenal cut of their budget was spent on those still on inflated contracts and they had to really cut their cloth just to bring in players to put a team out.
We gave 3-year contracts out between £6-8k a week based on the ITV Digital money. Within a year we had to either give players a portion of their total owed to walkaway or just suck it up and pay it, knowing full well that it meant a huge percentage of our wage budget was eaten up by a small handful of players. Not a great look when you've got guys on that wage and you're trying to sign new players with an offer of £300 a week.
A stop in funding might not see you go bust, but it would be the death of your ambitions to even compete at that level. Again, it's the same for us and whilst I recognise the need for investment it makes me a little nervous that at some point we won't have someone plugging our gap and I struggle to see a way in which we become self-sustainable.
You don't seem a very popular figure Yoda, and unlike your username, I doubt you are drenched with wisdom.
We certainly won't go bankrupt as pointed out many times - They are shares, not repayable loans - Worst case scenario, money stops being put in to the club and we sell assets, which we clearly have - The academy is thriving too, hence we have players playing for the first team that have come through the Academy system. If that worst case scenario happened, then I suppose we would be like yourselves with a relatively small budget. There are very few teams now, L1 and above who don't overspend, those that don't, usually go down.
Whilst Football used to be cyclical, I am not sure it is as much now - Money talks in todays game - Unless you have some luck with a cup draw etc, and spend that money wisely. I hope Grimsby do improve, games between us now would be good and sell outs both ends - Even though we were beat Saturday by B'Ham, it was a great game and a great atmosphere. We are clearly in a false position but I would go so far as to say we are now a fully established L1 side, we facilities and infrastructure to match.
Hopefully Artell gets you moving up the league and realises that success is built from the back.
Your club has made an operating loss of nearly £10m over the last 4 years. You have every chance of going bankrupt, what if your owners want their cash back? How are they going to get it? They will most likely sell all your available assets, which will generally mean a smaller budget, and with that, a tumbling down the leagues...
Unfortunately no-one can be confident on this claim. I include GTFC in that too. We're both in that position that our owners or majority shareholders could decide to no longer plug the gap which absolutely screws us over.
The last I saw you were requiring £3million a year to plug that gap (the one you mention that stops you struggling at the wrong end of League One). If overnight you find that no-one is willing to put another £3million in can you raise £3million in player sales to cover costs for the next 12 months and then for as long as player contracts are running? Sadly as soon as word gets out that a club is a skint everyone wants to undercut you, both clubs trying to get your assets at a knockdown price and then players/agents holding out on lucrative contracts or wanting a hefty percentage pay-off to rip them up.
The plugging of losses by shareholders/owners is the new ITV Digital. Clubs didn't become skint overnight because they spunked the money on transfers, they became skint overnight because they issued 3-year contracts on an income stream that disappeared overnight. Clubs still had to pay the wages but on reduced income, what they found was that a phenomenal cut of their budget was spent on those still on inflated contracts and they had to really cut their cloth just to bring in players to put a team out.
We gave 3-year contracts out between £6-8k a week based on the ITV Digital money. Within a year we had to either give players a portion of their total owed to walkaway or just suck it up and pay it, knowing full well that it meant a huge percentage of our wage budget was eaten up by a small handful of players. Not a great look when you've got guys on that wage and you're trying to sign new players with an offer of £300 a week.
A stop in funding might not see you go bust, but it would be the death of your ambitions to even compete at that level. Again, it's the same for us and whilst I recognise the need for investment it makes me a little nervous that at some point we won't have someone plugging our gap and I struggle to see a way in which we become self-sustainable.
I agree with pretty much everything you have said - We would definitely struggle and be battling lower league football - That is why I am so pleased that all of the infrastructure with the stadium, pitch and training ground has been built/upgraded, as they are built to last - I also think a shout to our board and chief executive as they have the clubs interests at heart.
As for the teams worth - Hard to say but the lad in midfield will go for 7 figures - Burnley is the talk over here, We have a few others who would command decent fees too, such as the captain.
I know Yoda keeps quoting 3 million, seems a lot, but in the scheme of things at L1 that really isn't.
Your club has made an operating loss of nearly £10m over the last 4 years. You have every chance of going bankrupt, what if your owners want their cash back? How are they going to get it? They will most likely sell all your available assets, which will generally mean a smaller budget, and with that, a tumbling down the leagues...
If they want their cash back, they would have to sell their shares.
You say tumbling down the leagues - Really, how do you survive then? Because commercially, crowd wise, we generate more income than Grimsby?
Does anybody make money or get it back from a football cĺub especially lower division clubs? Yes the owners could stop funding the losses then i suppose we have to " cut our cloth accordingley" however to Yoda ( who doesent read accounts its 3million not 4!) And anybody else they cant /wont suddenly take there money back/out the club because its EQUITY not loans they have so they have to sell there shares and a willing buyer has to be found .
Recently some US investors sold there shares to one of the owners of Gorilla Glue another multi million pound american company,i guess he will put money in soon.
We have a thriviing youth set up currently( this has been developed over the last few years and takes time to bear fruit),we have sold 2 players for approx £1million this summer,our current midfielder Ethan Erathon will be sold shortly for £1milion plus. We also have interest (ie sell ons etc ) on 16players yes even Vernham when he gets fit! Our club is in very capable hands and the owners with a fair wind want the stated aim of the championship will we get there i dont know but its time to be excited not worried and i trust these people who are successful in life.
Will gtfc join us soon ,maybe but you have to realise you need more financial help because sadly thats modern football SADLY.
Will you stop banging on about it being 3 million not 4 ffs . It’s a hefty loss either way , not something to be banging on about at every opportunity like it’s a positive 🤷🏼♂️
Can’t wait for daft Dave to talk us through tonight’s result
Gav Holohan got his first win in a Crawley shirt in their emphatic win over the gimps. Good on him - it’s a term that gets thrown around a lot but I think he just about makes the cut as a “Town legend” for his equaliser in the play-offs at Meadow Lane and his two winning goals at Southampton. He’ll remain long in the memory, that’s for sure.
Lincoln forum is a sight to behold....all those in the know Cowley Lincoln fans who have known, and admitted that they'd rode their luck in recent games to give them a false position now spouting that they knew it, they knew that they'd rode their luck in recent games and yet are now angry about it. Funnily, there's no Town fans on their forum showing off after a great win and laughing at them for losing to a 3 goal defecit, the difference 3 days can make.
Lincoln forum is a sight to behold....all those in the know Cowley Lincoln fans who have known, and admitted that they'd rode their luck in recent games to give them a false position now spouting that they knew it, they knew that they'd rode their luck in recent games and yet are now angry about it. Funnily, there's no Town fans on their forum showing off after a great win and laughing at them for losing to a 3 goal defecit, the difference 3 days can make.
I actually did know it though, as mentioned earlier in this thread - Last night was horrendous - Especially 2nd half. The manager will need to improve as the set of players we have should be doing better;
No games are easy, but we had enough control in the 1st half to not capitulate like we did do. Nothing surprises me in football, but the manager will be under pressure with our players and our budget. Our board state that we have to play a certain way if we want to move players into the championship - Last night couldn't have been further from that. We are a mid - table L1 side, to get towards the top would take millions.
Gaffer i do ocassionally participate on lincoln vitals forum however the site owner jules burley takes money from the site im led to believe for himself! He once used to give everything earned from the site to the club ( clicks) and now doesent.
I asked on here why gtfc will " always be a bigger,better club than us " when clearly you arent anywhere near us on and off the field these days due to your fenty years of regress etc etc.
Im afraid historic league positions 50/60/70 years ago doesent cut it as a reason im afraid.We are in the here and now and thats what is relevant im afraid.
Gaffer i do ocassionally participate on lincoln vitals forum however the site owner jules burley takes money from the site im led to believe for himself! He once used to give everything earned from the site to the club ( clicks) and now doesent.
I asked on here why gtfc will " always be a bigger,better club than us " when clearly you arent anywhere near us on and off the field these days due to your fenty years of regress etc etc.
Im afraid historic league positions 50/60/70 years ago doesent cut it as a reason im afraid.We are in the here and now and thats what is relevant im afraid.
History! Thats the sort of rubbish that does not mean you will always be a bigger club! Im sure Bournemouth and Brentford to name but 2 clubs think thats rubbish as well as i do !
Gaffer i do ocassionally participate on lincoln vitals forum however the site owner jules burley takes money from the site im led to believe for himself! He once used to give everything earned from the site to the club ( clicks) and now doesent.
I asked on here why gtfc will " always be a bigger,better club than us " when clearly you arent anywhere near us on and off the field these days due to your fenty years of regress etc etc.
Im afraid historic league positions 50/60/70 years ago doesent cut it as a reason im afraid.We are in the here and now and thats what is relevant im afraid.
Anywhere near is a ridiculous exaggeration, you’re not in the prem you know
Gaffer i do ocassionally participate on lincoln vitals forum however the site owner jules burley takes money from the site im led to believe for himself! He once used to give everything earned from the site to the club ( clicks) and now doesent.
I asked on here why gtfc will " always be a bigger,better club than us " when clearly you arent anywhere near us on and off the field these days due to your fenty years of regress etc etc.
Im afraid historic league positions 50/60/70 years ago doesent cut it as a reason im afraid.We are in the here and now and thats what is relevant im afraid.
i think i have answered this question for you before David and i think 120 odd years is a broad enough period of time to realistically measure the size and success of our two clubs.
if you look at every comparison from: highest league position, playing in the first tier, attendances, cup competitions, record sales and purchases, everything is in favour of the Mariners. The only time the Imps have outdone us is by reaching an FA QF from non league. . Fair enough, the Imps are going through a peak and doing really well on and off the pitch. I really admire what they have done and with time im confident our owners will replicate it (albeit with a more attractive playing style).
You talk about historic positions? 20 odd years ago , the day England beat Germany 5-1, we were top of the championship and competing with teams like City.
I actually did know it though, as mentioned earlier in this thread - Last night was horrendous - Especially 2nd half. The manager will need to improve as the set of players we have should be doing better;
No games are easy, but we had enough control in the 1st half to not capitulate like we did do. Nothing surprises me in football, but the manager will be under pressure with our players and our budget. Our board state that we have to play a certain way if we want to move players into the championship - Last night couldn't have been further from that. We are a mid - table L1 side, to get towards the top would take millions.
My point was aimed at the Lincoln forum types mostly, it's interesting to see the posts on here that say they know lincoln fans who are not bitterly resentful about Town as I know one myself who lives there and followed them for a long time. A LONG time, hence of the sensible generation and avoids the atrocious Vital forum. He said quite some time back that he was happy with the overall status of the club. Not always thrilled with the football, a little functional at times and sometimes lacking excitement but levelled out with mostly steady games and being difficult to beat, so no real potential danger of relegation scraps. He also mentioned some of the fortunate wins but fully expected the blowback when the inevitable slumps happens. Finance wise a little more curious than concerned about the US money going in, with no real reason to doubt their intentions as yet.
That about sums it up for me, steady as you go, a slightly raised eyebrow regarding the foreign investment and looking to progress steadily, not with a stupid full throttle- throw all the money at it approach.
i think i have answered this question for you before David and i think 120 odd years is a broad enough period of time to realistically measure the size and success of our two clubs.
if you look at every comparison from: highest league position, playing in the first tier, attendances, cup competitions, record sales and purchases, everything is in favour of the Mariners. The only time the Imps have outdone us is by reaching an FA QF from non league. . Fair enough, the Imps are going through a peak and doing really well on and off the pitch. I really admire what they have done and with time im confident our owners will replicate it (albeit with a more attractive playing style).
You talk about historic positions? 20 odd years ago , the day England beat Germany 5-1, we were top of the championship and competing with teams like City.
With time the natural order wiil be restored
United fans keep saying the same to said City, but like them a whole generation are growing up witnessing otherwise.
I was in Munich that day btw, you averaged just under 6,500 in the 2nd Tier the same as you do today in the same tired stadium.
A poor 45 minutes v Crawley doesn't a season maketh, as The Imps came back with a bang against a decent Counteh side, a packed Sinny Bank ROOOARRRING them home.
It's 7.30 on Sunday morning folks, guess whose team won and who has no mates to talk bollox with.
I actually woke up to several WhatsApp messages saying get on the Fishy and give the BP Bottlers both barrels ... as Admin won't accept their requests and let them on here?
I actually woke up to several WhatsApp messages saying get on the Fishy and give the BP Bottlers both barrels ... as Admin won't accept their requests and let them on here?
Of course you did. Not sure which part is less believable; you have people who bother to text you or there are some equally sad cünts out there.
I totally believe you have WhatsApp messages alerting you if Lincoln won and Town lost and telling you to jump out of bed and do your thing. It's so on brand for a plastic Premier fan.
Of course you did. Not sure which part is less believable; you have people who bother to text you or there are some equally sad cünts out there.
Said thread is called 'Cleethorpes - 4th Division Tiddlers' .... all kinds is shared not just footy in there, Rooftop Protests on GrimsbyLive seems like an almost daily occurrence?
I vote for this thread to be closed, sick of fed up of having to listen to Imp fans on GTFC forum, sort it out please mods.
We do seem a little generous in our tolerance of Lincoln trolls on here, you'll get banned on their board just for being a Grimsby fan. It's often asked what the point is of the red crosses but maybe they should be an indicator of when the forum has had enough of a poster polluting thread and a score of -500 red crosses should see them banned. A quick look through the posts and stats shows that this would banish the biggest problems on here, I'd rather see the problem itself dumped than a thread that has and will continue to serve a purpose as and when its needed.
We do seem a little generous in our tolerance of Lincoln trolls on here, you'll get banned on their board just for being a Grimsby fan. It's often asked what the point is of the red crosses but maybe they should be an indicator of when the forum has had enough of a poster polluting thread and a score of -500 red crosses should see them banned. A quick look through the posts and stats shows that this would banish the biggest problems on here, I'd rather see the problem itself dumped than a thread that has and will continue to serve a purpose as and when its needed.
That's a bit harsh, I've had 13 Gold Stars too ... considerably more than you I might add?
Said thread is called 'Cleethorpes - 4th Division Tiddlers' .... all kinds is shared not just footy in there, Rooftop Protests on GrimsbyLive seems like an almost daily occurrence?
Nope. Nobody that has an actual life posts four separate times on a different football team’s fans forum on a Sunday morning. A sad existence that I almost feel sorry for if it wasn’t for the fact you’re also a massive cúnt.
I vote for this thread to be closed, sick of fed up of having to listen to Imp fans on GTFC forum, sort it out please mods.
I started an Ignore Thread feature a few months ago but got distracted by other things and never completed it. You can ignore posters, but would ignore thread help? Almost all the posts about Lincoln are on this one thread. We've always been reasonably tolerant of fans from other clubs, a few have been banned if their presence started to dominate proceedings.
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I started an Ignore Thread feature a few months ago but got distracted by other things and never completed it. You can ignore posters, but would ignore thread help? Almost all the posts about Lincoln are on this one thread. We've always been reasonably tolerant of fans from other clubs, a few have been banned if their presence started to dominate proceedings.
Yes, yes it would. This thread absolutely bores me to tears and I can't be the only one who shares that sentiment. Please make it so.
Or here’s an idea. Don’t react or reply to any of their posts. Why have an ‘ignore thread’ button. Just don’t open it !!
Some people can’t help but reply. Thus giving them the attention they crave. If this is the last post from a Town fan on this thread, let’s see how long it lasts !
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
It's banter and pretty harmless with a few Imps .At times when being sensible they have made some good points at other times I've laughed at .there banter sacking in numerous posters who bite like harbour sharks. At the end of the day they are a league higher with bigger gates and better short term prospects. Let's see where we are in 3/4 years time as I fully expect to see the natural order restored and the question for them will they make the Championship in that time? Failure to achieve the second tier leaves us sat pretty as Lincolnshire's no1.UTM
I'm 100% for keeping this thread open, as mentioned before just to point back to when they go pop. Not that we'll see either Aryan Imp or Dave when that happens. I suspect nealardleyscrossing we will regardless of how their fortunes fare.
But the embarrassing claim of having WhatsApp messages encouraging someone to get on a message board and rile us is worth keeping this thread going, never mind open! Brilliant!
It's entitled 'Lincoln City'. You have to physically click the title to enter the thread, just don't click it...
Nope. Nobody that has an actual life posts four separate times on a different football team’s fans forum on a Sunday morning. A sad existence that I almost feel sorry for if it wasn’t for the fact you’re also a massive cúnt.
Is there really any need for such language ... I'm assuming you're in your 30's, deary me.
It's banter and pretty harmless with a few Imps .At times when being sensible they have made some good points at other times I've laughed at .there banter sacking in numerous posters who bite like harbour sharks. At the end of the day they are a league higher with bigger gates and better short term prospects. Let's see where we are in 3/4 years time as I fully expect to see the natural order restored and the question for them will they make the Championship in that time? Failure to achieve the second tier leaves us sat pretty as Lincolnshire's no1.UTM
Absolutely this, banter and pretty harmless by and large.
Personally I don't think we'll make it to the Championship, our best chance was during the Covid season when typically fans weren't allowed in, as I feel a packed Sinny Bank would've seen us over the line .... although even then it would've been for one season.
I'm more than content with top 10 in the 3rd Tier every season, for a club our size that realistically is as good as it can get.
Forgot to say on the other thread that we are now on 24 points ,half way to safety in league1 for yet another season as lincolnshires premier club on and off the pitch.
Tricky period coming up games wise though but im sure we will survive .
Forgot to say on the other thread that we are now on 24 points ,half way to safety in league1 for yet another season as lincolnshires premier club on and off the pitch.
Tricky period coming up games wise though but im sure we will survive .
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Pretty excrement ambitions for a club needing in excess of £3million a season to keep doing so isn't it?
Fair enough though, I know it's beyond nose bleed territory for you.
Well you need to read the thread about Wycombe,Stockport,,Wrexham and mentions Birmingham.You lot need to come into the real world with many clubs spending millions more than us even little Burton are.So top 12/10 is very good for us ! Last season our budget was 12th highest in the league and we finished 7th!.
You talk about ambitions ,its quite clearly stated by the owners its the championship they want,which is bonkers money wise wages etc etc.They have many things in place to build to try and compete if we did go up.
Meanwhile you just concentrate on staying in the league because your way way behind us on and off the field. FACT
Well you need to read the thread about Wycombe,Stockport,,Wrexham and mentions Birmingham.You lot need to come into the real world with many clubs spending millions more than us even little Burton are.So top 12/10 is very good for us ! Last season our budget was 12th highest in the league and we finished 7th!.
You talk about ambitions ,its quite clearly stated by the owners its the championship they want,which is bonkers money wise wages etc etc.They have many things in place to build to try and compete if we did go up.
Meanwhile you just concentrate on staying in the league because your way way behind us on and off the field. FACT
7th November 1960 - Ron Rafferty bags six as Grimsby Town thrash rivals Lincoln City 8-3 in the Lincolnshire Senior County Cup semi-final at Blundell Park. Johnny Scott and Derek Williams also scoring. Att: 2648 #GTFC
Well you need to read the thread about Wycombe,Stockport,,Wrexham and mentions Birmingham.You lot need to come into the real world with many clubs spending millions more than us even little Burton are.So top 12/10 is very good for us ! Last season our budget was 12th highest in the league and we finished 7th!.
You talk about ambitions ,its quite clearly stated by the owners its the championship they want,which is bonkers money wise wages etc etc.They have many things in place to build to try and compete if we did go up.
Meanwhile you just concentrate on staying in the league because your way way behind us on and off the field. FACT
You're the one who mentioned survival as an achievement, twice, not me.
Big crowd of the grimsby massive ( in 1960s) there lyons ! Why that county cup game ,nobody care about the county cup do they!?! Because i dont and have never ever watched one in my lifetime!
Big crowd of the grimsby massive ( in 1960s) there lyons ! Why that county cup game ,nobody care about the county cup do they!?! Because i dont and have never ever watched one in my lifetime!
I wouldn't be surprised if you had never attended a Lincoln game in your life.
Well you need to read the thread about Wycombe,Stockport,,Wrexham and mentions Birmingham.You lot need to come into the real world with many clubs spending millions more than us even little Burton are.So top 12/10 is very good for us ! Last season our budget was 12th highest in the league and we finished 7th!.
You talk about ambitions ,its quite clearly stated by the owners its the championship they want,which is bonkers money wise wages etc etc.They have many things in place to build to try and compete if we did go up.
Meanwhile you just concentrate on staying in the league because your way way behind us on and off the field. FACT
Your budget is also £3m more than you have. If this continues, you want have a club to support.
Well you need to read the thread about Wycombe,Stockport,,Wrexham and mentions Birmingham.You lot need to come into the real world with many clubs spending millions more than us even little Burton are.So top 12/10 is very good for us ! Last season our budget was 12th highest in the league and we finished 7th!.
You talk about ambitions ,its quite clearly stated by the owners its the championship they want,which is bonkers money wise wages etc etc.They have many things in place to build to try and compete if we did go up.
Meanwhile you just concentrate on staying in the league because your way way behind us on and off the field. FACT
There’s Fraser hunched over his soiled PC shivering with excitement to see if he can get a response to his latest post. Off to make a cup of tea and comes back and refreshes the screen still trembling with excitement. Good to have you back Fraser, have you finished all your recordings of pointless and so you were looking for some entertainment on here?
Big crowd of the grimsby massive ( in 1960s) there lyons ! Why that county cup game ,nobody care about the county cup do they!?! Because i dont and have never ever watched one in my lifetime!
Well it won't have been swelled by away support from a Club who could only muster 400 on a NYD .
Well it won't have been swelled by away support from a Club who could only muster 400 on a NYD .
Come on Mickey, stop living in the past, things change you know. It was a poor following and I am sure there will be lots of reasons why - From supporters I know, and I am 53 so was around in the 80's when we used to come to your place and it was lively - A lot of those folk have children now and did worry about coming to Grimsby for fear of trouble.
What I do know, is that if we were to play you now in a competitive fixture we would sell whatever you gave us, and could sell more.
Come on Mickey, stop living in the past, things change you know. It was a poor following and I am sure there will be lots of reasons why - From supporters I know, and I am 53 so was around in the 80's when we used to come to your place and it was lively - A lot of those folk have children now and did worry about coming to Grimsby for fear of trouble.
What I do know, is that if we were to play you now in a competitive fixture we would sell whatever you gave us, and could sell more.
Come on if you’re telling us to stop going on about history at least have the decency to get it correct 😉
Lincoln visited Blundell Park twice between 1980 and 2000, once in 1989 and once almost a year to the day in 1990. I’m 51 and didn’t see Lincoln play Town until 1989. I’m not sure that 2 matches for virtually the same 1500 fans will have made an impact on who came to games 15 years later.
Despite what DF tries to say on here this is why for the vast majority of Town fans it isn’t a rivalry as such.
I do agree, though, that I’m sure you’d fill whatever we give you if we meet competitively in the near future. Any longer than that and it’ll depend on why we meet again!
Lets be honest "in the near future"it wont be in the league competively as were not going down and you aint coming up anytime soon.
It's not beyond the realms we go up at some point whether it's this season or in the next few years - we are not as far away from Lincoln as you like to think , I mean it's possible but unlikely that you could finish 3rd in league 1 and we finish 7th in league 2 with a whole 28 places between us but still face each other next season in the league .
Loads of random stuff happens in the lower leagues , so it wouldn't suprise me , if at some point that you will wish you had kept your powder dry when it came to your opinions on Town and sense of grandeur regarding Lincoln City .
Come on Mickey, stop living in the past, things change you know. It was a poor following and I am sure there will be lots of reasons why - From supporters I know, and I am 53 so was around in the 80's when we used to come to your place and it was lively - A lot of those folk have children now and did worry about coming to Grimsby for fear of trouble.
What I do know, is that if we were to play you now in a competitive fixture we would sell whatever you gave us, and could sell more.
You are too young for the game at Scunny in 76. The Graham Taylor championship season. There were over 10k at the OSG when they were typically getting 2k. Lincoln fans were on 3 sides in f the ground - there must have been the thick end of 6k Lincoln fans. Town were away at Preston and a crew of Town fans decided to go in the Fox Street. I was in the Donny Road with a Scunthorpe supporting friend watching it kick off big time between the Town fans and Lincoln fans.
Stiffi it gets written off EVERY SEASON SO WE WILL have a club to support surely your not as thick as yoda?
FACT
Z cheers i have a nice cup of yorkshire ( all your rivals except lincolnshires based Scunny)tea.
It doesn't get written off, so it isn't a fact. The losses were covered by converting these to shares, which in some time in the future, a return on this investment is going to be needed.
Come on if you’re telling us to stop going on about history at least have the decency to get it correct 😉
Lincoln visited Blundell Park twice between 1980 and 2000, once in 1989 and once almost a year to the day in 1990. I’m 51 and didn’t see Lincoln play Town until 1989. I’m not sure that 2 matches for virtually the same 1500 fans will have made an impact on who came to games 15 years later.
Despite what DF tries to say on here this is why for the vast majority of Town fans it isn’t a rivalry as such.
I do agree, though, that I’m sure you’d fill whatever we give you if we meet competitively in the near future. Any longer than that and it’ll depend on why we meet again!
1989 was as lively as I can remember. I remember meeting mates at the Salutation arms I think it was called, and then getting buses into Grimsby and getting off near somewhere near a big park.
It doesn't get written off, so it isn't a fact. The losses were covered by converting these to shares, which in some time in the future, a return on this investment is going to be needed.
Haven't you been paying attention? The American owners, with no ties to the city, are more than happy to throw millions at a club they hadn't heard of until a few years ago, and they will never want to get any of their money back.
I was there in 76 at the OSG luckily i was on the wall near the tunnel ! Wasnt there @1000 cods in the away end for some reason? Funny they should bother with us there non lincolnshire rivals ! Hmmmm
Maybe ! It was a while ago! I remember winning the game znyway.Mind you we only lost 4 all season.
You won 2-0. Scunny were shite at the time. I expect John Ward scored. We signed him in 1981 for some bizarre reason because at that stage he’d become a pub footballer.
"I can’t even say it was men against boys, as several of the Lincoln side were U21" Norfolk Imp Lincoln City could come up against a particularly young Manchester City side in the Papa John’s Trophy tonight. Man City would usually field players predominantly from their U23 squad which competes in Premier League Two Division One. But, like Lincoln, they have players away on international duty, meaning they will have to call on youngsters from their under-18 setup." Lincolnshire Live.
Well last night I thought I’d been transported back in time 28 years, watching The Imps destroy a Manchester City side in a Cup-tie.
I can’t even say it was men against boys, as several of the Lincoln side were U21’ including lads who have come through the Academy.
As a ‘life long’ Citeh supporter you must have been guttted ?!!
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
Hells Bells you're a right Dopey Dave. Lincoln League 1 matches played: 14 House: played 12 Cadamateri: played 11 Draper: played 13 Street: played 3 Makama: 11 McKeiernan: played 9
These are established League 1 players playing the bulk of the season mostly, not some schoolboy trialists thrown on , up against genuine academy youngsters.
There wasn't a single Man City player who isn't a teenager last night.
Embarrassing, as usual, that you're bragging about beating a kids side. There's no doubt that their lads are talented but inexperienced doesn't cut it. Lincoln had a side of experienced and established League One players on show.
Once again, shows the lack of history and success if this is such a significant result. Over 3,000 to watch a boycotted competition as well, how shameful. Still, I suppose boycotting only really counts if you do it when your side gets relegated...
Have a go at our ages then if your that bothered about teenagers! League 1 experience against 3 with premier league experience ! So what if they are playing league 1 football it shows we believe in our future players from our yoof team ! It doesent show anything about a lack of history or sucess ! The significance is there if your daft not to think 4/5 yoof players helping beat Sorry thrash a multi miliion £ Man City team top of prem league 2( i think).
If you have a brain you would realise these developing youngsters are our future first teamers/sales.Anyway how are you in developing /playingn youngsters in your first team at the moment?
Ps the narrative re these premier teams i note has changed from B teams in the competition to All of them being U21s now !You boycott it and cost your club money and support ,its your club you love your depriving to help with future growth.
David, once more it's you who has brought up relegation...is this a deep rooted fear you have that you're desperate to talk about?
Look, I'm happy for you and Aryan if you want to boast about the fact that you got 3,000 fans through the gate in a competition that the vast majority of fans are still protesting against. If that's a badge of honour and sword you want to fall on, who am I to say it's right or wrong?
Equally so, delighted that you're taking such heart from the fact that your established players can thrash a side of children, the absolute vast majority of whom will have had to get up this morning for college studies. Personally, it gives me the whole Michael Owen scoring past a 13-year-old goalkeeper, but that's just my opinion. Don't let me burst your balloon.
With regards our own youth development, it's going well and thanks for asking. Cameron Gardner is a home grown talent and he's featured in most games this season. Evan Khouri another who came through our youth set-up a few years earlier and has been one of (if not the) our best players this season. Last night we fielded 3 youth teamers in Henry Brown, Cameron Storr and Harvey Cribb, the former 2 starting. We've also got a few others impressing in the actual youth team like Grayson Giles who are tipped to have big futures. In all honesty, I'm surprised you don't know this owing to your apparent favourings for all things black and white.
I dont worry about it in the slightest though im not stupid enough to realise it cant happen to anybody.Yes old school thinking get to 48/50 pts and your safe in your current division currently league 1 for us.
Anyway our established players as you call them ,still very young imo in knowledge/experience are more than holding there own in league 1,developing nicely .
Yours ? If you stay in this competition you could maybe have developed them against good established league 1 players ! Hmm
I dont worry about it in the slightest though im not stupid enough to realise it cant happen to anybody.Yes old school thinking get to 48/50 pts and your safe in your current division currently league 1 for us.
Anyway our established players as you call them ,still very young imo in knowledge/experience are more than holding there own in league 1,developing nicely .
Yours ? If you stay in this competition you could maybe have developed them against good established league 1 players ! Hmm
I'd rather we have a play-off push and get thumped in the Trophy to be honest. I don't want us to progress in that tournament whether it improves our youngsters or not - admitting in Under 23 teams from the Premiership ruined any credibility for the competition, and I'm more than happy that our fans boycott the games. It's just a shame that other teams aren't of the same opinion, but hey ho, can't have everything.
As a ‘life long’ Citeh supporter you must have been guttted ?!!
Slightly embarrassing I must admit, plenty of pings on my phone from Stretford supporting Imps who have been particularly quiet this past decade, were BACK with a bang.
Yes. In reference to the boycotting many of your 'fans' did when times were hard at Sincil Bank circa 2011-2016.
I don't for a second think you'll be even remotely close to the relegation places this season. Tough run of fixtures coming up though...
Quite sad that you’ve looked at their fixtures, I live here and haven’t a clue who their playing on Saturday although I will hear plenty about it tonight in the boozer no doubt.
Quite sad that you’ve looked at their fixtures, I live here and haven’t a clue who their playing on Saturday although I will hear plenty about it tonight in the boozer no doubt.
Sad, maybe. I mean it took me about 3 seconds to be curious and Google it so make of that what you will.
I look up Scunthorpe’s fixture - it improves my geographic knowledge. Curzon Ashton confused me. I thought it was a staff team from the cinema chain, but wondered why only the staff from Ashton-under-Lyne cinema played for them.
I look up Scunthorpe’s fixture - it improves my geographic knowledge. Curzon Ashton confused me. I thought it was a staff team from the cinema chain, but wondered why only the staff from Ashton-under-Lyne cinema played for them.
I find it mildly interesting how they play so many second teams of some pretty modestly sized towns and cities. Warrington Rylands, Oxford City, Peterborough Sports. Dropping like a stone they are, too. It always strikes me as particularly grim that the best possible outcome for them this season would be a place in the National League.
Really need to revive that Scunny thread; was a lot more fun than this absolute fúcking borefest of self-congratulation.
I find it mildly interesting how they play so many second teams of some pretty modestly sized towns and cities. Warrington Rylands, Oxford City, Peterborough Sports. Dropping like a stone they are, too. It always strikes me as particularly grim that the best possible outcome for them this season would be a place in the National League.
Really need to revive that Scunny thread; was a lot more fun than this absolute fúcking borefest of self-congratulation.
I genuinely wonder whether we will play them again, in a league game in a lot of our lifetimes or for decades at least .
Even though it's early days we seem to have regained some forward momentum with decent investment , whereas they were saved by the council and still seem to be about with the begging bucket ; unless something changes I can't see them above NL ( they seem to be struggling against village teams in a regional league so that's not even certain atm ) with the money clubs throw at it in there as we know - maybe a big day out for them in the FA cup at some point is the only opportunity ?
I find it mildly interesting how they play so many second teams of some pretty modestly sized towns and cities. Warrington Rylands, Oxford City, Peterborough Sports. Dropping like a stone they are, too. It always strikes me as particularly grim that the best possible outcome for them this season would be a place in the National League.
Could add Needham Market to that too, which is pretty much to Ipswich what is Holton-le-Clay to Grimsby. Rushall Olympic is to Walsall what Immingham is to GY.
It's not unfeasible that they don't get promoted and are joined in that league by Hebburn next season, disappointingly Vic Reeves doesn't play for them.
If I was a betting man, which I am, I'd say before the end of this decade we'll see the cyclical nature of football rise its head and one Lincolnshire balloon will go pop and another will blow up a bit more...
On Mappers point regards Scunny, see above regards how football comes back around. It's only six-and-a-half years since Scunny finished 5th in League One (their 3rd consecutive top 7 finish at that level - 15/16 the only non play-off finish when they missed out on goal difference). By any stretch of the imagination that's a ridiculous fall from grace, which just shows how football takes as much as it gives.
But I genuinely do think it's a bit excrement or bust for Scunny this year. Another year at that level massively tests the resilience of that fan base, which in turn means reduced income and less of a playing budget. I think they will still, amazingly, have some players on very decent contracts that will run until the summer of 2026. They've no chance of offloading them which means that they end up taking an even bigger slice of any reduced playing budget.
I genuinely wonder whether we will play them again, in a league game in a lot of our lifetimes or for decades at least .
Even though it's early days we seem to have regained some forward momentum with decent investment , whereas they were saved by the council and still seem to be about with the begging bucket ; unless something changes I can't see them above NL ( they seem to be struggling against village teams in a regional league so that's not even certain atm ) with the money clubs throw at it in there as we know - maybe a big day out for them in the FA cup at some point is the only opportunity ?
I think it’s impossible to know. We’re approaching the end of the first quarter of this century, and I’ve often found myself thinking about our last game of the millennium - a narrow, late defeat away to Manchester City in the second tier. I remember the game well, watching on from the rickety temporary stand in the corner of Maine Road, and to this day I would maintain that if anyone deserved to nick a winner that day, it was Town.
I think it would have been virtually impossible to have predicted the respective journeys the two clubs have been on since, all the way back then. I would have imagined us in non-league for seven seasons over two stints no more likely than the idea of Man City as serial Premier League champions and champions of Europe, but then unforeseeable things happen - not least the ITV Digital collapse for us.
There have been some massive changes in the English football landscape since then. The likes of Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth as established Premier League Clubs, plus another 8 clubs that were in the bottom two divisions in 99/00 having tasted top flight football at least once in the intervening period. Then you’ve got the likes of Wrexham, ffs. Scunny have experienced a grand total of 11 promotions or relegations in that time (we’re currently on a more sedate 6 for comparison).
25 years is a long, long time in football. Long enough for the landscape to change beyond recognition. The great thing about the English football pyramid is that there is no rule cast in stone that says that Town, Scunny or Lincoln can’t some day win the top flight. Fanciful? Yes. Unlikely? Incredibly. But theoretically possible. It’s absolutely vital to the sanctity of the game in this country that it never becomes a closed shop.
If I was a betting man, which I am, I'd say before the end of this decade we'll see the cyclical nature of football rise its head and one Lincolnshire balloon will go pop and another will blow up a bit more...
On Mappers point regards Scunny, see above regards how football comes back around. It's only six-and-a-half years since Scunny finished 5th in League One (their 3rd consecutive top 7 finish at that level - 15/16 the only non play-off finish when they missed out on goal difference). By any stretch of the imagination that's a ridiculous fall from grace, which just shows how football takes as much as it gives.
But I genuinely do think it's a bit excrement or bust for Scunny this year. Another year at that level massively tests the resilience of that fan base, which in turn means reduced income and less of a playing budget. I think they will still, amazingly, have some players on very decent contracts that will run until the summer of 2026. They've no chance of offloading them which means that they end up taking an even bigger slice of any reduced playing budget.
A major pull for Scunthorpe at the moment is that they are full-time at that level. The pull of full-time football (and possibly less exposure than a level higher) is why Brad Nicholson left Boston for Scunthorpe in the summer.
He's currently serving a 6 year stadium ban as a fan and has recently served an 18 month custodial sentence for hooliganism.
Could add Needham Market to that too, which is pretty much to Ipswich what is Holton-le-Clay to Grimsby. Rushall Olympic is to Walsall what Immingham is to GY.
It's not unfeasible that they don't get promoted and are joined in that league by Hebburn next season, disappointingly Vic Reeves doesn't play for them.
I’ll not have that about the mighty Needham! Mrs LN8 and family are from Needham. Father-in-law was a big Ipswich fan and it was always a source of constant annoyance on his behalf that we would take 4-6 points off them each season and basically condemn them to the play offs again! Was sat in his season ticket seat for the last minute 2-2 match that pretty much was the start of the decline. Still think if we’d have held on that day we’d have stayed in the Championship and who knows what would have happened🤷♂️
I’ll not have that about the mighty Needham! Mrs LN8 and family are from Needham. Father-in-law was a big Ipswich fan and it was always a source of constant annoyance on his behalf that we would take 4-6 points off them each season and basically condemn them to the play offs again! Was sat in his season ticket seat for the last minute 2-2 match that pretty much was the start of the decline. Still think if we’d have held on that day we’d have stayed in the Championship and who knows what would have happened🤷♂️
Remember that 2-2 game at Portman Road. They had a rookie ‘keeper in goal and he gifted us one of our goals, before Darren Bent got his second at the death. Was gutting. He mentioned that game on Talksport the other week.
If memory serves we got done with another 2-2 in the last minute at Forest, a mid-week game on the Telly, a couple of weeks later. Darren Huckerby with their stoppage time equaliser this time, I think.
Had we hung on both times then you never know. We did manage to stitch up Rotherham with a last minute winner at Millmoor a couple of weeks after that - think it was a John Oster Goal, right before he had to go back to Sunderland. I forget the reasons surrounding the end of his loan, but we never won again after that. I think that ultimately did for us.
As for the chap wanting to get things “back on topic”, you should be grateful that we’ve imbued this turgid thread with memories of the second tier. It’s been 63 years since the Gimps have been there.
I dont actual care what you think micky! Thought there was only one team going to win it second half and we had 2 good chances first half also.But dont score you dont win.
Re the away support most of the next few matches are away before Xmas ! Including rothrum,huddersfield,crawley,wrexham so i guess people will pick and choose with Xmas coming up.I know i have just spent over £100 on tkts this week.
Re the away support most of the next few matches are away before Xmas ! Including rothrum,huddersfield,crawley,wrexham so i guess people will pick and choose with Xmas coming up.I know i have just spent over £100 on tkts this week.
Is that for gigs at the Engine Shed?
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I dont actual care what you think micky! Thought there was only one team going to win it second half and we had 2 good chances first half also.But dont score you dont win.
Well as usual you thought wrong. Also the self proclaimed Giants of Lincolnshire should surely muster more than 264 for a league fixture enroute to Championship glory?
Well as usual you thought wrong. Also the self proclaimed Giants of Lincolnshire should surely muster more than 264 for a league fixture enroute to Championship glory?
Had we hung on both times then you never know. We did manage to stitch up Rotherham with a last minute winner at Millmoor a couple of weeks after that - think it was a John Oster Goal, right before he had to go back to Sunderland. I forget the reasons surrounding the end of his loan, but we never won again after that. I think that ultimately did for us.
Regards Oster, from memory it was something like that he had done his maximum loan spell with us (90 days over 2 loans). Rules at the time meant we couldn't extend it any further as you could only do season long loans earlier in the season.
Our only option was to make it permanent, which we tried to do. Sunderland were up for it and it all looked to happen until Oster turned it down, so the story goes anyway. He felt relegation was already staring us in the face and didn't want that on his C.V.
We pivotted about and tried to bring in other players, Richard Hughes and Michael Keane two who I remember us bringing in. Hughes had obvious class and Keane did a decent job, but neither had the ability that Oster had to carry a side. The first bit of his loan spell he was just levels above everyone, only other time I've ever seen a player in a Town shirt have that effect was Conor Townsend. For both players you could see the team-mates actively seeking to find them with every single pass.
One signing we went for and it didn't happen was Des Hamilton. Unfortunately for us we went back in the summer for him and got him.
That 02/03 season was full of so many missed opportunities. We were punchy for the vast majority of it but just ran out of steam at the end and ultimately went down with a whimper.
Grimsby Town & Lincoln both joined the Football League for the first time for the 1892-93 season. This season is the 118th season since the clubs joined the FL.
25 seasons - Grimsby were playing 2 divisions above Lincoln 25 seasons - Grimsby were playing 1 division above Lincoln 52 seasons - Grimsby & Lincoln played in the same division 15 seasons - Lincoln were playing 1 division above Grimsby 1 season - Lincoln were playing 2 division above Grimsby
And in that time the clubs have been relegated from the Football League or failed re-election ...
Lincoln City - 5 times Grimsby Town - 3 times
Lincoln have played at a higher level than Grimsby for the past 5 seasons (including 2021-22 when they were 2 divisions above us for the very first time).
Before 2004 (when we dropped down to L2) we had played 50 season at a higher level than Lincoln versus 10 seasons when Lincoln played a step above us.
Seasons in top division... Grimsby Town - 12 Lincoln City - 0
Seasons in second tier... Grimsby Town - 52 Lincoln City - 34
Lincoln City last appeared in the second tier in season 1960-61. Since then Grimsby have played 20 seasons at that level.
Clearly Lincoln are on top at the moment, but in 2010-11 Grimsby were 3 divisions below Scunthorpe. Look how that has turned around.
Scunny seem in a real mess atm. Think its excrement or bust this season for them
Might be an unpopular opinion, but part of me feels for them a bit at the minute. Football club on its knees, another 2,500 jobs to go at the steel plant - life in Scunny looks extremely bleak right now.
Did I find their defeat in the play-offs amusing? Yes. But thousands of people out of work is devastating, especially in the current climate, and I’d like them back on the footballing map at some point in the future. It looks a long, long way back for them though.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but part of me feels for them a bit at the minute. Football club on its knees, another 2,500 jobs to go at the steel plant - life in Scunny looks extremely bleak right now.
Did I find their defeat in the play-offs amusing? Yes. But thousands of people out of work is devastating, especially in the current climate, and I’d like them back on the footballing map at some point in the future. It looks a long, long way back for them though.
They just need the "Right" people at the helm, other clubs have come back out of obscurity like Stockport etc, atm they are being run by Doris the cleaning lady.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but part of me feels for them a bit at the minute. Football club on its knees, another 2,500 jobs to go at the steel plant - life in Scunny looks extremely bleak right now.
Did I find their defeat in the play-offs amusing? Yes. But thousands of people out of work is devastating, especially in the current climate, and I’d like them back on the footballing map at some point in the future. It looks a long, long way back for them though.
Yeah, it would be nice if Scunthorpe could at least escape regional football.
Agreed, I enjoyed their suffering as we passed them on the way back to the league and they fell through the trapdoor and out. A bit of Conference, knock them of their perch, all that. Never did I imagine they'd drop another level, and now...heck, I remember playing teams I barely know existed and losing to them but try and imagine being in National League North and STILL losing to a team another league below you.
Grimsby Town & Lincoln both joined the Football League for the first time for the 1892-93 season. This season is the 118th season since the clubs joined the FL.
25 seasons - Grimsby were playing 2 divisions above Lincoln 25 seasons - Grimsby were playing 1 division above Lincoln 52 seasons - Grimsby & Lincoln played in the same division 15 seasons - Lincoln were playing 1 division above Grimsby 1 season - Lincoln were playing 2 division above Grimsby
And in that time the clubs have been relegated from the Football League or failed re-election ...
Lincoln City - 5 times Grimsby Town - 3 times
Lincoln have played at a higher level than Grimsby for the past 5 seasons (including 2021-22 when they were 2 divisions above us for the very first time).
Before 2004 (when we dropped down to L2) we had played 50 season at a higher level than Lincoln versus 10 seasons when Lincoln played a step above us.
Seasons in top division... Grimsby Town - 12 Lincoln City - 0
Seasons in second tier... Grimsby Town - 52 Lincoln City - 34
Lincoln City last appeared in the second tier in season 1960-61. Since then Grimsby have played 20 seasons at that level.
Clearly Lincoln are on top at the moment, but in 2010-11 Grimsby were 3 divisions below Scunthorpe. Look how that has turned around.
But it’s 38 each in the Lincs Cup so we have still got work to do
Grimsby Town & Lincoln both joined the Football League for the first time for the 1892-93 season. This season is the 118th season since the clubs joined the FL.
25 seasons - Grimsby were playing 2 divisions above Lincoln 25 seasons - Grimsby were playing 1 division above Lincoln 52 seasons - Grimsby & Lincoln played in the same division 15 seasons - Lincoln were playing 1 division above Grimsby 1 season - Lincoln were playing 2 division above Grimsby
And in that time the clubs have been relegated from the Football League or failed re-election ...
Lincoln City - 5 times Grimsby Town - 3 times
Lincoln have played at a higher level than Grimsby for the past 5 seasons (including 2021-22 when they were 2 divisions above us for the very first time).
Before 2004 (when we dropped down to L2) we had played 50 season at a higher level than Lincoln versus 10 seasons when Lincoln played a step above us.
Seasons in top division... Grimsby Town - 12 Lincoln City - 0
Seasons in second tier... Grimsby Town - 52 Lincoln City - 34
Lincoln City last appeared in the second tier in season 1960-61. Since then Grimsby have played 20 seasons at that level.
Clearly Lincoln are on top at the moment, but in 2010-11 Grimsby were 3 divisions below Scunthorpe. Look how that has turned around.
Fair play for those Stats ..... just one question though, is that 2010/11 campaign the reason why there is such hatred on here for Scunny?
Apart from the Play-offs semi win over Laws 20 years ago, I don't think many Imps fans care either way about them? Does it go further back to the early 70's perhaps when both sides were promoted from Div 4 with The Imps just missing out in 5th?
Fair play for those Stats ..... just one question though, is that 2010/11 campaign the reason why there is such hatred on here for Scunny?
Apart from the Play-offs semi win over Laws 20 years ago, I don't think many Imps fans care either way about them? Does it go further back to the early 70's perhaps when both sides were promoted from Div 4 with The Imps just missing out in 5th?
Yes, the hatred goes back to that one season. Nothing to do with them being our nearest club since 1899, the years between 1899 and 2009 were just 110 years of us not really caring. Where's FFS when you need them?
I've always seen them as a local side to us that have a belief we're a historical rival, whereas the reality is we don't see it that way and it's a stopping point for fringe players to go on loan.
Last 20 years have drawn us closer to both sides and location means we've played for bragging rights more often. It's location and only location that means there is interest in the fortunes of either Scunthorpe or Lincoln.
It stuck in the throat a little in 2010 and then 2021 when there was mocking from other ends of the A180 and A46, the flipping irony that 12 months later both parties suffered the same fate. I enjoyed that little bit of karma.
There's no hatred, just Norfolks playground trolling. He accused us of bullying Scunny last season yet I pop in on the Iron Bru fairly regulalry and there are a couple of Town fans been posting who have a good rapport on there. If ever there was a chance to hate/bully them now would be the time in their dire situation but you can see on here there's sympathy for their current plight. The Town fans whipped round and put a bucketload of cash their way when they were in real trouble, as did GTFC's Board. I'll wait for Norfolk to come back with the cash amount they raised.
It has been announced that our american part owners the Jabarra family and the Fowlers will be putting in more money in the next few weeks ( presumably @£3million) to gain more equiry in the club and to help clear the debt.
It was mentioned about the football governance bill hopefully going through with a regulator and the likes of both our clubs getting a bigger slice of the football money( dont hold our breathe on that one though)
No new investors for us on the horizon however one of our american owners has bought out some other people and will invest more in the future( Goriilla glue owner i think).
Just to show you whars needed to compete our CEO reckons our loss will be one of the smaller ones in the league.
Nb Birmingham £25million budget this season and Wrexham £11.3million just invested ( announced today)
My first and last post here. Found this thread by accident while browsing for Lincoln City forum. Started to read and I thought I have to say what I feel about certain people posting here. Absolutely embarrassing that some so called Lincoln fans feel need to write on Grimsby forum. Definition of sadness. I would be ashamed to do trolling like this when I was a teenager let alone when you're a grown up. In defense of normal LCFC fans. Can you really class someone who can't even decide if he supports man shitty or Imps a Lincoln fan ? Don't think so.
My first and last post here. Found this thread by accident while browsing for Lincoln City forum. Started to read and I thought I have to say what I feel about certain people posting here. Absolutely embarrassing that some so called Lincoln fans feel need to write on Grimsby forum. Definition of sadness. I would be ashamed to do trolling like this when I was a teenager let alone when you're a grown up. In defense of normal LCFC fans. Can you really class someone who can't even decide if he supports man shitty or Imps a Lincoln fan ? Don't think so.
Cheers DF, however my match going days are over, although I do feel like I’ve gone back 30 years in a Time Machine
Swales OUT
Looks like Pep might have had a little tussle after last nights game! Be interesting to see if any of the players have facial injuries when they trot out at Anfield on Sunday!!
We all know it’s not going to happen but be quite funny if Liverpool go 1-0 up on Sunday and the Kop sing to Pep, “ getting sacked in the morning “ . It also feels that this Lincoln thread is slowly morphing not a Man City thread!!!
Looks like Pep might have had a little tussle after last nights game! Be interesting to see if any of the players have facial injuries when they trot out at Anfield on Sunday!!
Do they do chicken legs there ??
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
Good away following last night of 631 for a midweek tuesday away from home! Umm re the match if you dont take any of your many chances you cant win the game ! We played well and lost.
Wouldnt you all love to playing in league 1 against the likes of Wrexham and Birmingham ,not happening anytime soon is it ?
Good away following last night of 631 for a midweek tuesday away from home! Umm re the match if you dont take any of your many chances you cant win the game ! We played well and lost.
Wouldnt you all love to playing in league 1 against the likes of Wrexham and Birmingham ,not happening anytime soon is it ?
It was only a couple of years ago we beat Wrexham on their patch in one of the greatest play off matches of all time .
Good away following last night of 631 for a midweek tuesday away from home! Umm re the match if you dont take any of your many chances you cant win the game ! We played well and lost.
Wouldnt you all love to playing in league 1 against the likes of Wrexham and Birmingham ,not happening anytime soon is it ?
You're supposedly in your 80's and will have waited your entire life time for Lincoln to have just six seasons above us. And you don't even go to the games any more No wonder you're on here trying to get your kicks, it's like a Greek tragedy.
Good away following last night of 631 for a midweek tuesday away from home! Umm re the match if you dont take any of your many chances you cant win the game ! We played well and lost.
Wouldnt you all love to playing in league 1 against the likes of Wrexham and Birmingham ,not happening anytime soon is it ?
It might be childish but in his defence it's maybe a little understandable, he's clinging onto quite literally the best fleeting moment of his time supporting Lincoln.
I'd absolutely love to be back playing the sides and at the level I remember most fondly as a Town fan. Oddly enough it doesn't include Birmingham, Wrexham or the third tier though...
I am a season tkt holder that attends games ,unlike quite a few of yours strangely ! And yes i will be going to rothrum and huddersfield early next month! Possibly Shrewsbury as well later on
Yes your right no league wins this month,shock ,horror- 2draws and 2 defeats-1 cup win and maybe one to come saturday( hopefully).Do you have a game saturday ? Oh no your already out to a non league club ?
6 seasons and counting because your not coming up anytime soon if your honest about things. Bubble burst ,i think again you know theres peaks and troughs in a season maybe we are in a little trough we shall see ! 26pts so far ,loads of games to go
Ps 1975/76 was my joint best season ,winning virtually every game home and away just losing 4 games with over 100+ goals and 70+ pts in the 2pts for a win era! And
Obviously 16/17 season with the greatest cuprun by a non league side in the modern era from the 4th qualifying round to the quatrer finals of the fa cup plus also promotion back to the league.
And yes im Very Very Happy since ,we are fantastically owned and run these days and i believe theres more good times to come.
Keep believing David, they say it's the hope that will kill you but in reality it'll be stagnation of your league position and realisation that investing in a small League One side with a low ceiling for progression is a poor move that will actually be the death of you.
My first and last post here. Found this thread by accident while browsing for Lincoln City forum. Started to read and I thought I have to say what I feel about certain people posting here. Absolutely embarrassing that some so called Lincoln fans feel need to write on Grimsby forum. Definition of sadness. I would be ashamed to do trolling like this when I was a teenager let alone when you're a grown up. In defense of normal LCFC fans. Can you really class someone who can't even decide if he supports man shitty or Imps a Lincoln fan ? Don't think so.
Could you make one more absolutely final, last ever final, FINAL post and talk this idiot away from this board bc despite your well worded and polite plea David is embarrassing himself again.
I am a season tkt holder that attends games ,unlike quite a few of yours strangely ! And yes i will be going to rothrum and huddersfield early next month! Possibly Shrewsbury as well later on
Yes your right no league wins this month,shock ,horror- 2draws and 2 defeats-1 cup win and maybe one to come saturday( hopefully).Do you have a game saturday ? Oh no your already out to a non league club ?
6 seasons and counting because your not coming up anytime soon if your honest about things. Bubble burst ,i think again you know theres peaks and troughs in a season maybe we are in a little trough we shall see ! 26pts so far ,loads of games to go
So you were then on Saturday then? Awful home support for a supposed top of the table clash, lots of empty seats in the home end and virtually no noise even when winning. Miles away from Wycombe's level, they were comfortably the better team.
Firstly its not the hope that will kill me im sure it will be my health in old age ! Stagnation ,i dont think so but we will see what happens.If in the next few years you get promoted ,you will find out about the bonkers finance to stay in the league let alone compete and get promoted.You scoff at our finances aiming to lose £3million this season but our CEO is predicting that will be one of the lowest losses in the whole division.Last season we finished 7th but our budget was only 12th highest in the league,true fact.
You lot need to give your heads a wobble that you will compete in league1 let alone the championship.
I was there saturday and yes there were empty seats ( 4900 at yours) aplenty ,not sure how many Wycombe brought for top of table,500ish .Some reasons like yours the weather and some big aways coming up!wrexham(631) plus rothrum and hudders which will have good Imps followings Plus lets be honest Xmas is coming for all needs to be paid for by us All
You scoff at our finances aiming to lose £3million this season but our CEO is predicting that will be one of the lowest losses in the whole division
And there you have the big problem.
It reads like you're accepting that an annual loss of £3million, regardless of the league you're in, is an achievement.
It isn't. It's a concern, a huge one. At some point you won't be able to plug that gap quite so easily, that's when the concern becomes a big massive problem. That £3million a year is one of the lower levels of loss in League One is largely irrelevant, it'll be of no consolation to know others have huge holes in their budget when you need to get your begging buckets out.
It reads like you're accepting that an annual loss of £3million, regardless of the league you're in, is an achievement.
It isn't. It's a concern, a huge one. At some point you won't be able to plug that gap quite so easily, that's when the concern becomes a big massive problem. That £3million a year is one of the lower levels of loss in League One is largely irrelevant, it'll be of no consolation to know others have huge holes in their budget when you need to get your begging buckets out.
Especially on the back of falling attendances five seasons in a row despite being in the club's longest period of "success" within living memory. As soon as the Americans get bored and realise they'll never get the money back then there's a big, big problem.
David Frazer - it's about time we put this situation in proper context.
Your current temporary success is a result of some faceless Americans with no real knowledge of 'soccer' in our country (and I dare say, not sure exactly where Lincoln was on the map of little old England) deciding to throw a sackful of money in your direction for no apparent reason.
We all know the game is contaminated by money these days - which is why smaller provincial clubs no longer have any chance of winning the premier league (Leicester being the miraculous and rare exception during the last 30 years).
So being top dog in the county right now is hardly something to gloat about. After all, if you won the lottery would you then taunt your next door neighbour about the fact that they HADN'T won the lottery? Quite rightly that would show you as having no class and being a bit of a tw*t.
Could you make one more absolutely final, last ever final, FINAL post and talk this idiot away from this board bc despite your well worded and polite plea David is embarrassing himself again.
Yeah I agree, don’t go PAUL GIBSON please stay and share your pearls of wisdom further? After all you go to all this trouble to create a profile having just found this thread ‘by accident’ …. whilst browsing for a Lincoln City forum???
What a whopper! as for calling the best team this country has ever seen in its entire 136 year footballing history ‘shitty’ … you have the audacity to call someone else a ‘grown up’ ???
Our American friends as you call them dont and never have never ever called it Soccer lets clear that straightaway ! How self made people spend there money is there business and no one else and YES we are VERY VERY LUCKY that we have attracted them to our club and they have fallen in love with our club ,city and people! The words of the Jabarra family who regularly come over to games as a family(dad,mum and 2 sons )! Also sky sports did a feature on americans and football,theres a huge percent that love it( many millions) so having american supporters of any kind isnt that bad imo.Also alot realise that to be involved at premiership/championship level is bonkers financially ! Ours arent just cash cows ( as you see it) they are All involved in our clubs decision makings( thats why some said they got involved with us)and why not they are very successful business people whose knowledge to grow business ( various good practices) is highly valuable.
Question for you guys ! How are you going to grow and be successfull ( i will say it AGAIN) ? J and A will not be able to do it on their own they will need vast amounts of money to establish gtfc up the pyramid,i suggest it will be friendz of friends( as its now with us) who like whats happening there and i bet wont be born in cleethorpes but abroad!
Please tell me ,lets talk sensibly about this! I think some of you will realise this and im not talking"trash"(hehee)
Ps i have no option but to accept the losses ,i dont have a say in that even though i am a shareholder! So yes i have to accept that ( doesent mean i likeit by the way)However i fully trust our owners/board members to do the right thing and yes at the moment wipe out the "planned" debt!
Part of this stopping to a degree is partly down to the fair distribution of cash down the pyramid ( for you as well) is the introduction of a regulator.
Re people walking away! the largest owners are the Jabarra family! They are ALL fans .Mum,Dad and equally important the 2lads.I would suggest they will be here long after all of us have died.The Fowlers are friends of the Jabbaras have been over several times( successful in baseball) is father and son as well! Dont know about the gorilla glue owner! There are several South africans friends of the chairman who have been around several years already!
Never mind us.. You might want to improve your form.. and for all the knocking of our FA Cup demise.. todays a lesson in learning humility.. your bogey side Crawley once again stuffing you already..
Never mind us.. You might want to improve your form.. and for all the knocking of our FA Cup demise.. todays a lesson in learning humility.. your bogey side Crawley once again stuffing you already..
Our American friends as you call them dont and never have never ever called it Soccer lets clear that straightaway ! How self made people spend there money is there business and no one else and YES we are VERY VERY LUCKY that we have attracted them to our club and they have fallen in love with our club ,city and people! The words of the Jabarra family who regularly come over to games as a family(dad,mum and 2 sons )! Also sky sports did a feature on americans and football,theres a huge percent that love it( many millions) so having american supporters of any kind isnt that bad imo.Also alot realise that to be involved at premiership/championship level is bonkers financially ! Ours arent just cash cows ( as you see it) they are All involved in our clubs decision makings( thats why some said they got involved with us)and why not they are very successful business people whose knowledge to grow business ( various good practices) is highly valuable.
Question for you guys ! How are you going to grow and be successfull ( i will say it AGAIN) ? J and A will not be able to do it on their own they will need vast amounts of money to establish gtfc up the pyramid,i suggest it will be friendz of friends( as its now with us) who like whats happening there and i bet wont be born in cleethorpes but abroad!
Please tell me ,lets talk sensibly about this! I think some of you will realise this and im not talking"trash"(hehee)
Your American "Friends" definitely do call it soccer... your strategic advisor has started a podcast called "Unfiltered Soccer"... Oh and by the way, the family that you are referencing are the Jabara family, not Jabarra. FACT!
No mention on any interviews by Harvey J to imps fans ! Fact
Nobody want to have a sensible debate on any of my points ? Particularly how gtfc are going to survive in league 1 if they get up or even the championship with out outside help of many millions.You talk about us stagnatingnin league1 in the top 10 how about yourselves !?!
No mention on any interviews by Harvey J to imps fans ! Fact
Nobody want to have a sensible debate on any of my points ? Particularly how gtfc are going to survive in league 1 if they get up or even the championship with out outside help of many millions.You talk about us stagnatingnin league1 in the top 10 how about yourselves !?!
You go first then. If you can try by completing a post with only sensible debate and no attempt to troll, then people may engage. For reference look at how we respond to Norfolk and you cf. NealEardley… one we engage with sensibly, the other two less so. Who would’ve thought that engaging sensibly tends to get sensible responses?
No mention on any interviews by Harvey J to imps fans ! Fact Nobody want to have a sensible debate on any of my points ? Particularly how gtfc are going to survive in league 1 if they get up or even the championship with out outside help of many millions.You talk about us stagnatingnin league1 in the top 10 how about yourselves !?!
There is no point. There are none so blind as those who will not see. If you genuinely believe these American "investors", as that's what they call themselves, are losing tens of millions because they fell in love with your city, club and people (snigger) then there is no sensible debate to be had.
Its not tens of millions whatsoever however if its not the reason what is then you tell me?
I will also say they looked at alot of clubs and very few wanted there involvement in day to day decisions just the money to put in.
Anyway as usually nobody can answer any points i make especially on how you are going to thrive and survive up the leagurs let alone how you get there without serious money put into your club from outsiders unless the euros was won by a cod this week!
Enjoy the cup draw monday night at 7pm bbc2 i think.We will even if we are away! Kerching ££££
This Frazer tw@t needs help. He really does. Spectacularly tragic individual and absolutely no self awareness. What must his life be like to spend it largely on here where his unwelcome and irrelevant posts about a team the vast majority of us have no interest in only invite mockery, derision and abuse?
Its not tens of millions whatsoever however if its not the reason what is then you tell me?
I will also say they looked at alot of clubs and very few wanted there involvement in day to day decisions just the money to put in.
Anyway as usually nobody can answer any points i make especially on how you are going to thrive and survive up the leagurs let alone how you get there without serious money put into your club from outsiders unless the euros was won by a cod this week!
Enjoy the cup draw monday night at 7pm bbc2 i think.We will even if we are away! Kerching ££££
If you're genuinely so naive to think these Americans are just doing it out of the goodness of their hearts because your club is "special" then you're even more of a simpleton than you appear.
You have made losses equalling 10 million across the last four seasons. They expect to lose another 3 million this season. I'm sure Americans with no affinity to the club, sport or city will continue to lose that money indefinitely. And obviously they'd want to be involved with day to day decisions. Who in their right mind would just spunk £3million a season up the wall without having an input on where it's going.
This Frazer tw@t needs help. He really does. Spectacularly tragic individual and absolutely no self awareness. What must his life be like to spend it largely on here where his unwelcome and irrelevant posts about a team the vast majority of us have no interest in only invite mockery, derision and abuse?
Well to answer it - even though it’s hypothetical atm as we’re a long way away from League 1 - IF, we ever get to that level then I actually agree with you, though I don’t like going doing so;) - it would need a lot of investment, just to survive. The big difference between ourselves and your club - is that we are doing it sensibly, and sustainable .. they won’t put the club at risk, and even though we are getting/open to investors - there’s the local element in control to ensure we won’t get into a ‘chase the pipe dream’ scenario.
I’ve nothing against Lincoln whatsoever, non plussed about them tbh - but have openly said they did everything right on the rise in the Cowley era. Exploited the cup run well, spent well and enhanced facilities etc - everything we didn’t do when we first got out of non league. I think the way football is going/has gone - it’s going to put a few clubs in trouble.. and as much as I’ve complimented your ‘rise’ - you’d be daft not to have a bit of concern long term.
Shame he’s clearly been banned. 1 win in 11 league matches and fans starting to call for manager’s position to be questioned. As most of them have only been going since February 2017 they are, of course, unaware that they are already miles above their natural station. Norfolkimp is quiet too. He’d get a lot more respect if he came on when they lost but alas, he’s got a fragile ego so can’t handle some anonymous people on a forum laughing at his team.
Shame he’s clearly been banned. 1 win in 11 league matches and fans starting to call for manager’s position to be questioned. As most of them have only been going since February 2017 they are, of course, unaware that they are already miles above their natural station. Norfolkimp is quiet too. He’d get a lot more respect if he came on when they lost but alas, he’s got a fragile ego so can’t handle some anonymous people on a forum laughing at his team.
I’ve actually been away for a few weeks in Fuerteventura as I do every year with the Missus to escape the grey desolate December skies.
I was just about to message Hagrid actually to congratulate him on finally watching a convincing home performance, then I noticed this thread had risen to the top as The Imps slip to mid-table mediocrity.
As for ‘Fragile ego’ please make your mind up? I’m either not welcome on here, or I am … which is it?
I’m quite flattered that you’re still thinking of me 91’ tbh when you should be ecstatic that Town are threatening the automatic slots?
Hardly crowing, in fact I’m still fuming that we somehow managed to lose to the worst Stretford side for 40 years …. although Scruffy Jim’s latest antics remind me of Peter Swales at his absolute incompetent peak.
I’ve actually been away for a few weeks in Fuerteventura as I do every year with the Missus to escape the grey desolate December skies.
I was just about to message Hagrid actually to congratulate him on finally watching a convincing home performance, then I noticed this thread had risen to the top as The Imps slip to mid-table mediocrity.
As for ‘Fragile ego’ please make your mind up? I’m either not welcome on here, or I am … which is it?
I’m quite flattered that you’re still thinking of me 91’ tbh when you should be ecstatic that Town are threatening the automatic slots?
What's there to make my mind up on? If you didn't have a fragile ego, you'd come on here at times when Lincoln lose rather than solely when they're doing well. And if that were the case, you'd be welcome. I guarantee you'd have found some wifi in Fuerteventura if Lincoln had won more than once in the last two months.
What's there to make my mind up on? If you didn't have a fragile ego, you'd come on here at times when Lincoln lose rather than solely when they are doing well. And if that were the case, you'd be welcome. I guarantee you'd have found some wifi in Fuerteventura if Lincoln had won more than once in the last two months.
They still are doing well, The Imps are twelfth in Tier 3 which is realistically as good as it gets, considering the size of clubs in this division as you'll soon discover if you come up this season.
The 11 clubs who are bigger than Lincoln City are as follows.
They still are doing well, The Imps are twelfth in Tier 3 which is realistically as good as it gets, considering the size of clubs in this division as you'll soon discover if you come up this season.
The 11 clubs who are bigger than Lincoln City are as follows.
They still are doing well, The Imps are twelfth in Tier 3 which is realistically as good as it gets, considering the size of clubs in this division as you'll soon discover if you come up this season.
The 11 clubs who are bigger than Lincoln City are as follows.
... to be within a couple of points of some of those clubs with larger fanbases, yet averaging a healthy 9,146, means we are still doing well.
Oh btw, I won't mention your pathetic 3,874 v Accrington Stanley recently, whilst on the edge of the play-offs
Happy New Year.
We are one of very few clubs that announce the actual attendance and not tickets issued. The recent Lincoln v Charlton game was announced as 8k but i'll be buggered if there were many more than 5000 in attendance
The Millers, perpetual yoyo-ing between Tiers 2 and 3 with 4 promotions in the last decade regularly averaging over 10k per season,
Posh, 4 seasons in Tier 2 in the last 15 years and almost always in the top 10/play-offs.
Wigan have had 8 seasons in the top flight in the past 20 years and have regularly pulled crowds of 15k during this period.
I seriously doubt The Imps will ever reach or top those stats?
If Lincoln and Town each had a new stadium with about 14k capacity we'd both get bigger crowds than all 3 of those doing ok at League 1 level. Both of us have restricted away capacity - us especially. We were effectively a home sell out yesterday - odd single seats and a few very restricted views (can't see half the Pontoon end penalty box). Grimsby v Barnsley games for example used to be 12-16k if both doing well.
We were in for him during Hurst's last transfer window. Didn't want to come here, was holding out for a return to Lincoln even back then. Ended up at Rotherham.
Did well at Oldham in a short spell but big step up. Can't say it's someone I'd be excited about at this level (not now anyway) and certainly not at L1.
But, I thought they had “loads of money” and had ambitions of the championship, £3 million a year losses covered by their American beneficiaries, assumed they’d be signing championship players ready for next season !!!
Played in the same team as his Dad some years ago and it was common knowledge he was coming back to the Imps for what I believe is the third time. Im told he’s been outstanding at Oldham and let’s be honest most of his football in the last ten years has been in the top two leagues so the guy has ability and I think he will do a decent job for them.
He always wanted to end his career at Lincoln so Im pleased for him and his family that his personal dream has been fulfilled and I hope he personally does well but Lincoln continues to slide down the league.
Norfolk Imp has been advocating a change of Manager on another forum so the natives are definitely getting restless 😀.
5th bottom is the aim, 18pts should just about achieve that …. I’m not even joking.
You've got to be joking! You might have slipped into mid table mediocrity but it's perfectly reasonable to expect to stay there or thereabouts for the rest of the season. You do not look like a side that should be looking over it's shoulder.
Miss Scunthorpe. Not a beauty pageant, just sound advice.
You've got to be joking! You might have slipped into mid table mediocrity but it's perfectly reasonable to expect to stay there or thereabouts for the rest of the season. You do not look like a side that should be looking over it's shoulder.
Lincoln are in that weird kind of twilight zone. Now a very well-established L1 outfit, but maybe 6 years in (I’m kind of guessing there) they’ve not mounted a promotion challenge yet, and you wonder if they’re now more likely to face a fight against the drop most seasons.
I’m not mocking them at all - I’d love for us to be in L1 - but it goes to show that even pummelling a few million every year might just allow you to tread water. There’s no doubt in my mind that if we went up in the next few years, we’d be content with 13th-20th for quite a while, and a promotion challenge would likely be beyond us too.
English football is fantastic, but financially it’s completely broken.
Lincoln are in that weird kind of twilight zone. Now a very well-established L1 outfit, but maybe 6 years in (I’m kind of guessing there) they’ve not mounted a promotion challenge yet, and you wonder if they’re now more likely to face a fight against the drop most seasons.
I’m not mocking them at all - I’d love for us to be in L1 - but it goes to show that even pummelling a few million every year might just allow you to tread water. There’s no doubt in my mind that if we went up in the next few years, we’d be content with 13th-20th for quite a while, and a promotion challenge would likely be beyond us too. English football is fantastic, but financially it’s completely broken.
I’ve long said this.. football is slowly killing itself from within. Of course you’ll be told it’s in the best shape it’s ever been.. and more money going to lower levels etc - that’s the narrative they want to send.. but personally I’ve long held the view that the powers that be will be happy with a Prem (with or without a big 6 if Euro league ever happens) and a ‘Prem 2’ of big city clubs/well supported clubs. The rest? They don’t care.. they won’t bat an eyelid when clubs go bust..and it will happen.. be it 5 years, 10, 20 or 50.. there’s no way in the world some clubs can continue as things are long term.
I dunno, just because one player signs a 10 year contract with a basic wage of half a mill a week doesn't necessarily mean that the financial situation of British football is a complete basket case. Oh, wait a minute. Yes it does.
I dunno, just because one player signs a 10 year contract with a basic wage of half a mill a week doesn't necessarily mean that the financial situation of British football is a complete basket case. Oh, wait a minute. Yes it does.
While his club waits for a verdict on 115 charges of financial misconduct....
Miss Scunthorpe. Not a beauty pageant, just sound advice.
I dunno, just because one player signs a 10 year contract with a basic wage of half a mill a week doesn't necessarily mean that the financial situation of British football is a complete basket case. Oh, wait a minute. Yes it does.
I mean, Haaland will feel a fool when he doesn’t get a pay rise in line with inflation each year. After all, what does £26M per year but you nowadays?
Lincoln are in that weird kind of twilight zone. Now a very well-established L1 outfit, but maybe 6 years in (I’m kind of guessing there) they’ve not mounted a promotion challenge yet, and you wonder if they’re now more likely to face a fight against the drop most seasons.
I’m not mocking them at all - I’d love for us to be in L1 - but it goes to show that even pummelling a few million every year might just allow you to tread water. There’s no doubt in my mind that if we went up in the next few years, we’d be content with 13th-20th for quite a while, and a promotion challenge would likely be beyond us too.
English football is fantastic, but financially it’s completely broken.
Does serious play off challenge not include getting to a play off final these days? Toss of a coin at that point
I mean, Haaland will feel a fool when he doesn’t get a pay rise in line with inflation each year. After all, what does £26M per year but you nowadays?
To be fair to Haaland, he's played a blinder here. He'll be so loaded by the end of his career that he won't need to pretend to care about Saudi football and can just live somewhere nice instead. Probably on his own private island.
While his club waits for a verdict on 115 charges of financial misconduct....
And when you know the 115 charges are completely irrelevant, as you just know their lawyers will run rings round any opponent and absolutely nothing will happen
No wonder David Frazer has vanished. Sam Clucas …. Jesus I’d be peeved if we signed him lol
I think you'd be happy if you signed him, depending on your model. We are a young side, so I can see the sense in signing some experience. Sam played 30 games in the Championship last year, so he will offer us something and he will also be given opportunity to gain his coaching badges - Makes sense to me. We are close to signing James Collins from Derby so a bit of experience will never hurt.
Draper seems to be staying, as we have turned down 230k from Walsall so he may well help Freddie with his experience of playing football at a higher level.
I think a blend is important, and I am glad we have slightly veered to steady our ship, so to speak.
Think happy is overstating it. He’ll be 35 in September, played 30 games for a team that finished rock bottom with the third worst points tally in Championship history and nobody in the EFL was willing to take a punt this summer. The season before he’d only managed 12 league appearances. It’s not a ringing endorsement over the last couple of seasons. Yes he’s got an excellent pedigree but would he get in our midfield? I don’t think there’s any guarantee that he would improve it. If we signed him it would be fine but I wouldn’t be happy about it personally.
For what it’s worth I think Collins would be excellent signing and exactly what you need. Mainly cause Makama is shite.
Think happy is overstating it. He’ll be 35 in September, played 30 games for a team that finished rock bottom with the third worst points tally in Championship history and nobody in the EFL was willing to take a punt this summer. The season before he’d only managed 12 league appearances. It’s not a ringing endorsement over the last couple of seasons. Yes he’s got an excellent pedigree but would he get in our midfield? I don’t think there’s any guarantee that he would improve it. If we signed him it would be fine but I wouldn’t be happy about it personally.
Yeah. Personally I’d have welcomed him here a couple of years ago, but he’s basically Bryan Hughes at this point. If Clucas plays as many games for Lincoln as Hughes did for Town I’d be surprised. That’s 3, by the way, for anyone (read everyone) who can’t be ársed to look it up.
I think you'd be happy if you signed him, depending on your model. We are a young side, so I can see the sense in signing some experience. Sam played 30 games in the Championship last year, so he will offer us something and he will also be given opportunity to gain his coaching badges - Makes sense to me. We are close to signing James Collins from Derby so a bit of experience will never hurt.
Draper seems to be staying, as we have turned down 230k from Walsall so he may well help Freddie with his experience of playing football at a higher level.
I think a blend is important, and I am glad we have slightly veered to steady our ship, so to speak.
Always value in experienced heads, you've got to have a balance at times this season we've lacked a bit of that on the pitch with just a couple of players not there. You take Rose and Thompson out the equation and we're a fairly inexperienced side, which is compounded even more when those two players probably aren't first choice anymore.
But doesn't the signing of Clucas and then Collins go against your model? That's a genuine question btw. I'd be worried if Clucas was coming in as a starter but Collins should be a great addition, if he's still got the legs for it. Actually surprised he's had so little game time for Derby, especially when neither Kayden Jackson or Jerry Yates have been free-scoring.
Yeah. Personally I’d have welcomed him here a couple of years ago, but he’s basically Bryan Hughes at this point. If Clucas plays as many games for Lincoln as Hughes did for Town I’d be surprised. That’s 3, by the way, for anyone (read everyone) who can’t be ársed to look it up.
Ah Bryan Hughes, if ever there was a player who still had the ability in his brain only to find that his legs were just completely rebelling against him. Almost tragic to see.
Ah Bryan Hughes, if ever there was a player who still had the ability in his brain only to find that his legs were just completely rebelling against him. Almost tragic to see.
Yep, he’d been playing Premier League football a little over two years prior to joining us. To go from playing a league game at Old Trafford to finding he couldn’t even hack it in the Blue Square in such a short space of time must have been pretty galling for him personally.
Always value in experienced heads, you've got to have a balance at times this season we've lacked a bit of that on the pitch with just a couple of players not there. You take Rose and Thompson out the equation and we're a fairly inexperienced side, which is compounded even more when those two players probably aren't first choice anymore.
But doesn't the signing of Clucas and then Collins go against your model? That's a genuine question btw. I'd be worried if Clucas was coming in as a starter but Collins should be a great addition, if he's still got the legs for it. Actually surprised he's had so little game time for Derby, especially when neither Kayden Jackson or Jerry Yates have been free-scoring.
It is completely against our model, but needs must I suppose, Clucas won't start but will add a bit of quality to maybe get us over the line in games, or add a bit of flair, quality if needed. Collins will start I am pretty certain. I am glad we are being flexible - Rather than stoutly sticking to our guns and finishing in the bottom 4.
I can see some movement for us this window, especially if we lose Erahon, however, I am not sure Burnley, who are rumoured to want him will stup up the cash, not fact, but we apparently want 2 million for him.
Yeah just looking him up now and that's an incredible fall from grace. Completely going off the LOL @ Lincoln point of this thread but you can see why so many footballers struggle with their mental health once they retire. It's so easy to look at them and think 'they've spent years getting paid for doing a job many would pay to do', but it's more than that.
Whilst looking him up I stumbled upon another who came here from Hull, albeit a few years earlier. Stuart Elliott. I didn't realise he was only 30 when he signed for us. What I didn't realise was that his drop down the levels coincided with a diagnosis of exercise induced asthma, massively limiting his ability to play full games. So of course when he signed on loan for us, he started his first 8 games and played the full 90 of the first 6!
Draper seems to be staying, as we have turned down 230k from Walsall so he may well help Freddie with his experience of playing football at a higher level.
Nobody else feels the need to comment on this? Walsall have offered £230k!!!
A club whose average attendance is about 5200 is spaffing (or trying to) a quarter of a mill on a 1st division player. What f*cking chance do we have?!
Miss Scunthorpe. Not a beauty pageant, just sound advice.
I dunno, is it that much (of course it's an obscene actual figure - I just mean in the grand scheme of the game)?
It feels like after probably two decades of transfer fees not really happening in the lower leagues, they've started to creep back in again.
1991 we sold Andy Tillson to QPR for £500,000. In today's money that's just over £1.1million. For a third-tier defender and even then with only half a season of experience at that level that comparatively seems ridiculous.
1998 we paid the same half a million for Lee Ashcroft, a striker with a quite average record at L1 level, that's just under £1million in todays money.
I think when you compare how spending at this level on transfers hasn't really gone up that much, perhaps even down, in the last 20-30 years to the absolute jump in transfer fees at the top level is when it gets harrowing.
It is completely against our model, but needs must I suppose, Clucas won't start but will add a bit of quality to maybe get us over the line in games, or add a bit of flair, quality if needed. Collins will start I am pretty certain. I am glad we are being flexible - Rather than stoutly sticking to our guns and finishing in the bottom 4.
I can see some movement for us this window, especially if we lose Erahon, however, I am not sure Burnley, who are rumoured to want him will stup up the cash, not fact, but we apparently want 2 million for him.
It's shitty but the danger there is always that the bigger club leaves it to the last minute, naturally ends up upsetting the player and then something gets pushed over at the line. But it leaves too little time to actually spend that money to get a replacement in.
Nobody else feels the need to comment on this? Walsall have offered £230k!!!
A club whose average attendance is about 5200 is spaffing (or trying to) a quarter of a mill on a 1st division player. What f*cking chance do we have?!
Wycombe , Yes in our league, have just dropped 1.5M on 2 players in the last week....
Regarding Walsall, hasn’t their main striker who was on loan from Stoke been called back, in fact I think he scored for them against West Brom on Saturday, so Walsall,considering their position may think they need a new striker to ensure they get promoted.
I have to agree banning someone for Banter, is a bit harsh.
Watched half of your game against Northampton , i have to admit the standard didn't look much above league 2 tbh - is there just a massive gap within league 1 if that makes sense ?
That Ernahon gave the ball away quite a bit , I'm not sure if thats a one off but if you could get a decent fee for him and invest in one or 2 better players it might be a good deal ; maybe you have already done that in Clucas and the lad from Derby as I can't imagine they come cheap . A couple of interesting signings really .
Major differences I've seen between L2 and L1 is the pace and consistency.
Everything is just quicker, which is a standout as you go up the levels. It's incredibly basic but I always think back to when we played Blackburn away in the League Cup about 2009ish time, maybe 2010 - lost 4-1 despite a Tom Newey free-kick giving us the lead. Anyway, they weren't that much better than us at finding players, but the thing I came away thinking was just how they hit the ball better. It just moved quicker, more purposeful and with intent every time they touched it. We stroked it about a fair bit with no purpose or pace.
I heard something the other day from Pat Nevin where a guy who played at a much lower level (I forget who) asked him what the difference between the two of them was, his response was along the lines of "You picked the part of the ball you hit, I picked a section of one of the hexagons on the ball to hit".
I think at our level you've got players who do that too, we've one in our ranks in George McEachran. He's a bloody magician with the ball and there's times watching what he does and it's impossible to not think why he's not at a higher level. And then the inconsistency creeps in. For most players at L2 level I reckon they're generally here because of inconsistency or a lack of physical attribute (pace), probably an argument that injury records account for a fair few too and that ties in with physical attributes a bit. Then a small number who just have the wrong attitude.
Watched half of your game against Northampton , i have to admit the standard didn't look much above league 2 tbh - is there just a massive gap within league 1 if that makes sense ?
That Ernahon gave the ball away quite a bit , I'm not sure if thats a one off but if you could get a decent fee for him and invest in one or 2 better players it might be a good deal ; maybe you have already done that in Clucas and the lad from Derby as I can't imagine they come cheap . A couple of interesting signings really .
Having watched the gap between 1 and 2 for a number of years, the gap is enormous - In my opinion, in terms of pace, possession and finances. I think you just watched a game between a poor side, and a side that is in an awful run of form, and quite poor too.
In a one off game, teams can always raise it a level, but over a course of a season it needs consistency - There are also very few easy games - It feels at times like every game is tough, and that can feel quite suffocating. The top half is just ridiculous - Huddersfield have just spent about 5 million - It is very tough. Erhahon is a good player, and will go for big money - I think we paid nearly 400k for him - I would imagine between 1 and 1.5 million.
Nobody else feels the need to comment on this? Walsall have offered £230k!!!
A club whose average attendance is about 5200 is spaffing (or trying to) a quarter of a mill on a 1st division player. What f*cking chance do we have?!
How is investing money in a highly-rated young player who will improve them and offer great sell-on potential constitute "spaffing" money?
This is how the world works. You invest money to generate money in the future.
Peterborough have been doing it for nearly 20 years and it's served them well.
I dunno, just because one player signs a 10 year contract with a basic wage of half a mill a week doesn't necessarily mean that the financial situation of British football is a complete basket case. Oh, wait a minute. Yes it does.
Fantastic deal for Man City. He only had 2 and a half years left on his contract. City didn't want to be in Liverpool's position in the summer of 2027 with a star player out of contract.
£500,000 a week is only £247 million over the next 9 and a half years.
How much would City have to pay in just a transfer fee to replace him with another world class striker? £150 million? £200 million? More? And that's before wages.
City have saved a small fortune.
Mbappe got a £128 million signing on fee from Real Madrid as a free agent. And he signed a 5-year contract at £12.8 million a season.
Who would you rather have?
Haaland for 9 and a half years at £247 million? (£26 million per year)
Or Mbappe for 5 years at £192 million? (£38.4 million per year)
At 24 he's already played over 300 first team games.
It's a similar pattern to Wayne Rooney who had played a similar number of games at that age.
Without question, Haaland looks after himself better than Rooney ever did. However, by the time Rooney hit his 30th birthday he was already on the decline and I think there's a strong argument that the sheer volume of games and physical impact of the game caused such.
If Haaland hits 30 and he's on the wane, those 3-and-a-half years at £500k a week don't look as good. Probably only Madrid who can/will spend that on wages and it's unlikely they would do so for anyone who's not at their peak.
Unlikely it happens but be hilarious if City get demoted about 20 leagues and he's turning out against Sunday League sides.
At 24 he's already played over 300 first team games.
It's a similar pattern to Wayne Rooney who had played a similar number of games at that age.
Without question, Haaland looks after himself better than Rooney ever did. However, by the time Rooney hit his 30th birthday he was already on the decline and I think there's a strong argument that the sheer volume of games and physical impact of the game caused such.
If Haaland hits 30 and he's on the wane, those 3-and-a-half years at £500k a week don't look as good. Probably only Madrid who can/will spend that on wages and it's unlikely they would do so for anyone who's not at their peak.
Unlikely it happens but be hilarious if City get demoted about 20 leagues and he's turning out against Sunday League sides.
Like you said, he looks after himself like most footballers nowadays do. There's a risk with every signing. Emiliano Sala being a tragic example of that. He'll still be banging the goals in well past 30 unless he suffers a career ending injury (which I'm sure City will be insured against).
And Saudi Arabia will be hosting the World Cup in the year his contract ends so if City want to offload him they'll have a guaranteed buyer in Saudi as they are only going to ramp up their spending as 2034 gets closer.
And if Harry Kane was worth £100m in 2023 as a 30-year-old how much will Haaland be worth as a 30 year-old in 2030?
The more I look at it the more I am convinced this is an incredible deal for Man City.
Unlikely it happens but be hilarious if City get demoted about 20 leagues and he's turning out against Sunday League sides.
There's no legal mechanism to demote City a certain number of leagues. The PL only has jurisdiction over their own division. So City, if found guilty, will either be in PL with a big fine or thrown out of the PL and end up in the Championship.
Look at the difficulties both the PL & EFL have had dealing with Leicester City over their PSR issues.
Which is why a merger of the PL & EFL makes sense.
I wasn't trying to say it was a bad deal for Citeh, just pointing out that it shows the ridiculous state of the game as it stands.
He'll probably last longer than Rooney because, at the moment, he's effectively a very good goal-hanger. Doesn't get involved in general play as much as Rooney did but relies on his (very) talented teammates to do most of the donkey work.
That's not a criticism, obviously, because he is very, very good at what he does. Most 'poachers' don't have his sheer size which makes a massive difference because he's a threat whenever the ball is coming into the box and also has the pace to run onto through-balls and the strength to hold defenders off at the same time.
Posh are on an absolute nightmare of a run. Think it's 1 win in 8, 2 in 12?? There's always 1 team who gets relegated following a post Xmas meltdown
Shame for them that they can't play us in order to get their season back on track, for years we've been just the tonic teams on a bad run have needed - just like Saturday for barrow, on a dreadful run of 1 win in 15 i think Matt dean said, we kindly rolled over to be trounced 3 - 0.
David Frazier has asked me to post this on his behalf, don't shoot the Messenger.
The reality of the next level of football namely L1 and how your 'sustainable model' without new investors wont work. Why budgets are just bonkers, one example is the wages and teams not just at Birmingham & Wrexham are paying. Some will listen and others wont bother but they might have some idea of how difficult it is to try and compete?
“League One seemed pretty mad at the start of the season. We get the benchmarking, we see where we are—19th in the budget table. We see we’re two million off 10th, and three and a half million off playoff positions. Then in January, suddenly, you see million-pound transfers between clubs in the same league. Then it finishes off with a two-million-pound transfer and double-digit wages—10, 12, 15,000 pounds a week—to players in League One."
Can David Frazier not be let back on the forum? Yes he's an Imps fan and at times annoying but in the interests of fair play if he hasn't posted anything offensive let him back.
David Frazier has asked me to post this on his behalf, don't shoot the Messenger.
The reality of the next level of football namely L1 and how your 'sustainable model' without new investors wont work. Why budgets are just bonkers, one example is the wages and teams not just at Birmingham & Wrexham are paying. Some will listen and others wont bother but they might have some idea of how difficult it is to try and compete?
“League One seemed pretty mad at the start of the season. We get the benchmarking, we see where we are—19th in the budget table. We see we’re two million off 10th, and three and a half million off playoff positions. Then in January, suddenly, you see million-pound transfers between clubs in the same league. Then it finishes off with a two-million-pound transfer and double-digit wages—10, 12, 15,000 pounds a week—to players in League One."
WTF is up with this David Frazier guy? He just won't let it lie down. I don't blame the poster but if David Frazier has to use a proxy to keep posting his views on another team's message board then I would seriously question his mental health situation. He seems unaturally obsessed with driving home his point of view in comparing our two clubs structure and funding model. Just let it go, David. You're starting to come across like a jilted guy who still keeps pestering and stalking his ex.
The Future is Black & White. "The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa
WTF is up with this David Frazier guy? He just won't let it lie down. I don't blame the poster but if David Frazier has to use a proxy to keep posting his views on another team's message board then I would seriously question his mental health situation. He seems unaturally obsessed with driving home his point of view in comparing our two clubs structure and funding model. Just let it go, David. You're starting to come across like a jilted guy who still keeps pestering and stalking his ex.
The point I was making in amongst his BS he made some really interesting points on threads various.He mainly got demonised because he wouldn't back down with his point of view on Lincoln finances.Does it matter?
The point I was making in amongst his BS he made some really interesting points on threads various.He mainly got demonised because he wouldn't back down with his point of view on Lincoln finances.Does it matter?
Did he really? I thought he just spent all his time here trolling.
The point I was making in amongst his BS he made some really interesting points on threads various.He mainly got demonised because he wouldn't back down with his point of view on Lincoln finances.Does it matter?
Might be worth a quick poll? But it's a no from me.
The point I was making in amongst his BS he made some really interesting points on threads various.He mainly got demonised because he wouldn't back down with his point of view on Lincoln finances.Does it matter?
Yes, he did make some salient in points but his insistence that he was right plus his dogmatic repetition of these points became tiresome. He couldn't just agree to disagree - a very disturbed person who was even banned from his own clubs site, so I'm led to believe.
The Future is Black & White. "The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa
The point I was making in amongst his BS he made some really interesting points on threads various.He mainly got demonised because he wouldn't back down with his point of view on Lincoln finances.Does it matter?
He talked a load of crap and has serious mental health issues. Bizarre behaviour to get someone to post on an opposing team's forum by proxy.
WTF is up with this David Frazier guy? He just won't let it lie down. I don't blame the poster but if David Frazier has to use a proxy to keep posting his views on another team's message board then I would seriously question his mental health situation. He seems unaturally obsessed with driving home his point of view in comparing our two clubs structure and funding model. Just let it go, David. You're starting to come across like a jilted guy who still keeps pestering and stalking his ex.
I have a vision of David Frazier sitting on a snooker table with some questionable curtains in the background telling NorfolkImp what to tell those fishyites after a couple of Merlots.
I say let him back . I can't remember him ever posting anything abusive? I actually think a lot that he posted made sense regarding finance -- unfortunately some people on here can't help getting upset by some inconvenient truths regarding how we're miles away from being seriously competitive even at L1 level. If people can't take a bit of .lighthearted trolling they need to get a life . Some of the threads we highly amusing
Glad it wasn't just me who thought the ban was ott
This board has changed a lot. !!!
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
If his stuff bothers you .. just scroll past it/ignore it..
Unless he is targeting your posts and trolling you like he did me. Nah not for me, i dont have problems with other fans coming on but when they start willy wagging and being absolute co(k wombles is when they should be expelled.
Good morning ladies, gents (and those who’d rather not say)
So the 2024/25 season draws to a close and upon reflection it’s been a solid one for those with an Impish persuasion. 11th is a more than acceptable position in our 6th consecutive season in Tier 3, finishing above local rivals Barnsley, Rotherham, Mansfield & Peterborough. When you consider budgets (we were 18th) and attendances (13th) we have actually performed above our ceiling.
Re: attendances, 4 home gates above 10,000 is astonishing, concluding with our biggest since Xmas 1982’ with yesterday’s 10,347 v Wrexham. An average of 9,004 just fractionally behind the 9,006 from 2018/19 League 2 title winning campaign.
Losing long distance visits to Shrewsbury, Bristol Rovers and Crawley whilst replacing them with Doncaster, Bradford and hopefully either Notts County or Chesterfield is a huge bonus, although I’d have preferred Hull City to have come down rather than Cardiff or Plymouth.
The jury is still out on Skubala for some, but overall the picture is positive with James Collins leading the line and a revitalised Rob Street (from Donny) back in the fold. Whether key men Roughan, Erhahon or Captain O’Connor will remain is the only downside, as all 3 will be hard to replace.
Unlucky Town, you gave it a damn good go this term, in what’s been a decent season for Lincolnshire clubs. Cleethorpes, Lincoln Utd and maybe Scunthorpe all getting promoted too.
I see the Imps latest signing Ryley Towler from Pompey played a dozen or so games for Town back in 21’.
Rumours we fought off bids from Huddersfield & Luton (but not sure how reliable they are) An obvious replacement for Sean Roughan, but any thoughts on him whilst on loan with you would be welcome?
I see the Imps latest signing Ryley Towler from Pompey played a dozen or so games for Town back in 21’.
Rumours we fought off bids from Huddersfield & Luton (but not sure how reliable they are) An obvious replacement for Sean Roughan, but any thoughts on him whilst on loan with you would be welcome?
Looked decent whilst not being outstanding tbh, although I'm surprised he's not gone higher than LG1.
I thought Towler looked a class above when he was here. Just turned 19 and looked incredibly composed and assured in the rough and tumble of the Conference.
I thought Towler looked a class above when he was here. Just turned 19 and looked incredibly composed and assured in the rough and tumble of the Conference.
Yes Pompey fans are saying the same regarding composure on the ball, hopefully having the experience of ex-Luton/Derby defender Sonny Bradley alongside him will help his progression.
Tower really good footballer at 19 and looked destined for higher leagues I liked the way he was calm in possession like a young Handyside. You'll be alright with him at Lincoln.
I think their time is up . I was going to have a bet on them being relegated but at only 3/1 the bookies clearly see it as a possibility too.
You think we will get relegated? I think the signings we have made so far have been decent, 2 decent defenders, although we have lost 2, I think they have probably been upgraded. Personally I think we will be okay, I always worry about goals - But Collins will score 15 - 20 - Opened his account at the weekend, when we beat Hull - He is just a goal scorer - Street could have improved whilst at Doncaster too. I also think we will get a few more in, especially when we sell Erahon for over a million.
Be telling as to how the replacements fit in. Outside looking in it feels like you've lost a lot of your spine (or are losing it) and it's not always easy to replace it, even with a healthy transfer budget.
I think the big question mark over Street is that he's consistently failed to be a goalscorer other than his spell at Donny. That shouldn't be a worry with Collins though, as you say he is just goals.
League One looks incredibly strong this season, not a lot of cannon fodder like previous seasons. Personally hope you stay up so we can play you in 26/27.
Be telling as to how the replacements fit in. Outside looking in it feels like you've lost a lot of your spine (or are losing it) and it's not always easy to replace it, even with a healthy transfer budget.
I think the big question mark over Street is that he's consistently failed to be a goalscorer other than his spell at Donny. That shouldn't be a worry with Collins though, as you say he is just goals.
League One looks incredibly strong this season, not a lot of cannon fodder like previous seasons. Personally hope you stay up so we can play you in 26/27.
Always difficult to tell, but I don't think we will be affecting either end of the table; We have lost 1 of the spine in Paudie, but Sonny is a very experienced centre half - Erahon will be a miss, but he is a walking red card, so we missed him a lot anyway (With injury too). I am not sure about Street, but I would imagine we could sell him relatively easy?
I thin we will finish our usual 10-14 in League 1.
Be telling as to how the replacements fit in. Outside looking in it feels like you've lost a lot of your spine (or are losing it) and it's not always easy to replace it, even with a healthy transfer budget.
I think the big question mark over Street is that he's consistently failed to be a goalscorer other than his spell at Donny. That shouldn't be a worry with Collins though, as you say he is just goals.
League One looks incredibly strong this season, not a lot of cannon fodder like previous seasons. Personally hope you stay up so we can play you in 26/27.
Indeed, it does look incredibly strong. Mansfield's terrible run after a strong start indicates they could be vulnerable, think Wimbledon could be yo-yo, and maybe time-up for Stevenage and Burton at that level.
Others short in the betting - Northampton and Exeter had decent runs that kept them just out of trouble. I'll wait for the Racing Post Preview before making final bet selections. Mansfield might be the one to go for with better odds.
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) then who knows what happens in the last 10 minutes. Birmingham though are the best side I have seen at Tier 3 Level in years, and I wouldn't back against them winning back to back promotions. 
