Ukraine War

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

The mujahideen did a pretty good job. As long as there is MAD then Putin would have to be mad to press the button just because NATO's eastern border is bristling with military hardware and Ukrainian rebels are being fed with military aid. Of course he might become a total crackpot like Hitler - then we have to rely on a successful coup.

History tells us that superpowers don’t do well fighting guerrillas in their own back yard, as the US discovered in Vietnam and Russia and the US and it’s allies both discovered in Afghanistan.

Ultimately, both the Viet Cong and the Mujahideen were defending their own territory, and either way deploying nuclear weapons wasn’t an option in any of the above cases.

This is a very different scenario; we’re not taking about guerrilla factions but about two nuclear powers going toe-to-toe in military battle. That has never happened before in history, and if it does then the world will be on a knife edge.

I wouldn’t be so hopeful about the prospects of a guerrilla war. Ukraine doesn’t have the jungle of Vietnam or mountains of Afghanistan. It’s much more open. Also the Russians are much more brutal than the Americans were prepared to be. Look at what they did in Chechnya.

It’s a shame that the hypocrites in the Russian Orthodox Church are supporting this act of fascism.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I wouldn’t be so hopeful about the prospects of a guerrilla war. Ukraine doesn’t have the jungle of Vietnam or mountains of Afghanistan. It’s much more open. Also the Russians are much more brutal than the Americans were prepared to be. Look at what they did in Chechnya.

It’s a shame that the hypocrites in the Russian Orthodox Church are supporting this act of fascism.

Indeed, I think Ukraine will be done with very quickly. It’s what happens after that which could be cataclysmic.

Clearly he’s planning a major purge. “De-Nazification” he calls it.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Clearly he’s planning a major purge. “De-Nazification” he calls it.

Biden seemed of the opinion that his intention is to reunite the former Soviet Union, which doesn’t sound beyond the realms of possibility.

He also reaffirmed that the United States would of course get involved if Russia attacks any NATO country. Which of course, re-establishing the Soviet Union would entail.

I don’t like where this is headed.

No me neither.

I just hope Putler has some form of extremely aggressive cancer that finishes him off quickly.

Quoted from Humbercod

This is not what I wanted to see in Ukraine. It didn’t have to end this way. Even days ago an agreement that Ukraine would never join NATO and the full implementation of the Minsk Agreement would have ended the crisis.

The FT’s (berated) call for this was right. Pumping Ukraine full of NATO weapons, mercenaries and propaganda was a grave mistake (and Russia inherits a billion dollars worth of weaponry). What was intended as a demonstration of NATO strength has ended with proof of its weakness.

The US empire is fading. The sun has risen in the east. Britain should fulfil its destiny as an independent country, free from the EU, and free from the USA.

George Galloway.

No it flipping wouldn’t. Putin clearly set out his intention to absorb Ukraine in his version of Mein Kampf in the Autumn and in his speech the other day. The only thing he wanted was complete annihilation of the state of Ukraine and it’s absorption into ‘Mother Russia*’.

And if you and other idiots like George Galloway think this is going to advance the cause of socialism one iota, you’re dafter than I thought.

* quite frankly with a mother like that, it’s better to be an orphan.

Quoted from Poojah

History tells us that superpowers don’t do well fighting guerrillas in their own back yard, as the US discovered in Vietnam and Russia and the US and it’s allies both discovered in Afghanistan.

Ultimately, both the Viet Cong and the Mujahideen were defending their own territory, and either way deploying nuclear weapons wasn’t an option in any of the above cases.

This is a very different scenario; we’re not taking about guerrilla factions but about two nuclear powers going toe-to-toe in military battle. That has never happened before in history, and if it does then the world will be on a knife edge.

Yes and you can include the Brits in the south of Ireland in the 1920s.

History (albeit more limited) also tells us that two well-matched conventional militaries backed by nukes results in a military stalemate and economics determines the winner because the weaker economy has to spend a bigger proportion of GDP to keep up militarily. Just the UK and French combined economies are more than 3 times bigger than the Russian economy.

Thanks in part to the Norweigian Resistance we don't know what Hitler would have done with a nuke, very likely he would have used it, but if you look at the series of squeamish decisions the Allies made before and early in the war, the most significant one was after the invasion of Poland. The French halted the Saar offensive in September 39. They had made good inroads into Germany and then just withdrew because Poland had fallen and were worried about the redeploying forces. They suffered 2,000 casualties - about an hours worth of the first day of the Somme. The French had massive numerical superiority, including air, at the time. The Nazis would have taken weeks to redeploy from Poland - if they had invaded full-on it would have changed the dynamics of the war - a possible war of attrition but on German soil giving the UK and France longer to prepare their own defences. What did the Allies think was going to happen next - that the Nazis would just stop? The 7 month phoney war period that followed was exactly what the Nazis wanted.

Following Crimea everything has gone well for Putin - Brexit driving the two biggest European militaries apart, the Trump presidency turning the US inward looking, the response to Novichok - all displaying a weakening West. Think about his timing as well - straight after COVID. He's a Judoka - he thinks like they fight - you get your opponent off- balance before your strike.

What would have happened if Ukraine had been admitted to NATO after Crimea. Would we have had WW3, who knows - but Russia couldn't possibly have gained anything from it if they had started it - it would have been Putin off-balance.

The problem is what happens next as the ball is in Putin's court. If he attacks a NATO country then the sh!t hits the pan, otherwise the world will huff and puff and the bear stays strong.

40% of the EU gas comes from Russia, do they want Putin to switch it off, I think not.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Fûck off back under your stone you cut price Oswald Moseley.

Oswald Mosley eh?
Tell me Kingston have you ever served your country willing to fight and risk your life for it?
I would hazard a guess the answer is no and you can’t count the brownies. You strike me as the kind of mouthy liberal who would excrement his pants if you were ever to be called up. But at least being a Kingston Mariner you would of had the chance to protest outside the Russian Embassy tonight… have you intercourse!

You slagged your Country off on here after we dared to vote Brexit, a typical leftist that hates his own Country and especially hates it being an independent one. I remember when you even slagged Grimsby off from your ivory towers in London are they Russian owned by the way? You hate critical thinkers who won’t swallow the regime narrative, won’t be primed by the Media and questions you’re beloved EU. And now suddenly you remember the go to leftist weapon of choice to shout Racist! Well that wouldn’t quite work this time would it so Oswald Mosley will do, that will definitely silence me… sharp object.

Its because of the EU and London centric left wing muppets like yourself that have helped to make an easy decision for Putin to invade, he’s been watching and seen us decimate our armed forces whilst his grows, impose wokeness and diversity, we have become weak. So I bet he’s thought these idiots have no strength no backbone no threat anymore, they can’t even say that a biological woman is a woman😂 what are they going to do …sanctions, fly Ukraine flags, light candles…pathetic!