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Yes and you can include the Brits in the south of Ireland in the 1920s.
History (albeit more limited) also tells us that two well-matched conventional militaries backed by nukes results in a military stalemate and economics determines the winner because the weaker economy has to spend a bigger proportion of GDP to keep up militarily. Just the UK and French combined economies are more than 3 times bigger than the Russian economy.
Thanks in part to the Norweigian Resistance we don't know what Hitler would have done with a nuke, very likely he would have used it, but if you look at the series of squeamish decisions the Allies made before and early in the war, the most significant one was after the invasion of Poland. The French halted the Saar offensive in September 39. They had made good inroads into Germany and then just withdrew because Poland had fallen and were worried about the redeploying forces. They suffered 2,000 casualties - about an hours worth of the first day of the Somme. The French had massive numerical superiority, including air, at the time. The Nazis would have taken weeks to redeploy from Poland - if they had invaded full-on it would have changed the dynamics of the war - a possible war of attrition but on German soil giving the UK and France longer to prepare their own defences. What did the Allies think was going to happen next - that the Nazis would just stop? The 7 month phoney war period that followed was exactly what the Nazis wanted.
Following Crimea everything has gone well for Putin - Brexit driving the two biggest European militaries apart, the Trump presidency turning the US inward looking, the response to Novichok - all displaying a weakening West. Think about his timing as well - straight after COVID. He's a Judoka - he thinks like they fight - you get your opponent off- balance before your strike.
What would have happened if Ukraine had been admitted to NATO after Crimea. Would we have had WW3, who knows - but Russia couldn't possibly have gained anything from it if they had started it - it would have been Putin off-balance.
A very good, well learned post that. You’re right though, this all very calculated by Putin who realistically has been planning this since at least 2014, but needs all of the pieces in place before going ahead. The Russians haven’t been interfering with US and European politics for shìts and giggles. He’s created an image of himself as a very cold and ruthless individual, and that clearly intimidates Western leaders. We simply don’t have an answer. We’ve been out thought and out-manoeuvred before anything involving NATO interests has even begun.
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Oswald Mosley eh? Tell me Kingston have you ever served your country willing to fight and risk your life for it? I would hazard a guess the answer is no and you can’t count the brownies. You strike me as the kind of mouthy liberal who would excrement his pants if you were ever to be called up. But at least being a Kingston Mariner you would of had the chance to protest outside the Russian Embassy tonight… have you intercourse!
You slagged your Country off on here after we dared to vote Brexit, a typical leftist that hates his own Country and especially hates it being an independent one. I remember when you even slagged Grimsby off from your ivory towers in London are they Russian owned by the way? You hate critical thinkers who won’t swallow the regime narrative, won’t be primed by the Media and questions you’re beloved EU. And now suddenly you remember the go to leftist weapon of choice to shout Racist! Well that wouldn’t quite work this time would it so Oswald Mosley will do, that will definitely silence me… sharp object.
Its because of the EU and London centric left wing muppets like yourself that have helped to make an easy decision for Putin to invade, he’s been watching and seen us decimate our armed forces whilst his grows, impose wokeness and diversity, we have become weak. So I bet he’s thought these idiots have no strength no backbone no threat anymore, they can’t even say that a biological woman is a woman😂 what are they going to do …sanctions, fly Ukraine flags, light candles…pathetic!
I’m not going to read all of your balderdash. But I love my country as much as the next man. I don’t give a excrement what uniform you wore. The only one you belong in is black you Nazi apologist. I love critical thinking. Sadly you’re not a critical thinker. You’re just repeating every line in the Putin apologist play book. I’ve heard it all before. You do t realise what a cliche you are.
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I’m not going to read all of your balderdash. But I love my country as much as the next man. I don’t give a excrement what uniform you wore. The only one you belong in is black you Nazi apologist. I love critical thinking. Sadly you’re not a critical thinker. You’re just repeating every line in the Putin apologist play book. I’ve heard it all before. You do t realise what a cliche you are.
Humbercod is just parroting the shite that Steve Bannon has been saying in the past 24 hours. He’s down a rabbit hole of conspiracy theories and hate. It’s his poor family I feel sorry for.
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February 24, 2022, 11:37pm |
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Bold to assume anyone could love him.
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Humbercod is just parroting the shite that Steve Bannon has been saying in the past 24 hours.
He’s down a rabbit hole of conspiracy theories and hate. It’s his poor family I feel sorry for.
He’s giving it all that ‘I was in the British armed forces’ shtick now. Which means he was part of the same organisation that attacked Serbia and Iraq, that friend Putin has been complaining about for years. So if this makes him a better patriot than me, it also makes him a bigger enemy of Holy Russia. Or is he now saying his military service was a mistake? The guy’s not capable of holding a consistent line. Which is not surprising for your typical fascist. Same fellah talks about Britain becoming independent. Yet is happy to go along with another country losing its independence. At least the EU isn’t planning to invade us 😆. Critical thinker eh. 😂😂😂😂😂
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The other thing that puzzles me about the Poundshop Moseley, is why he should think calling someone a ‘leftie’ is an insult when he supposedly supports ‘socialists’ like George Galloway. Anyone would think he doesn’t know what he’s saying.
They wouldn’t be wrong.
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February 25, 2022, 4:51am |
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It’s perfectly legitimate to not love your country. I hate this appalling shithole country and everyone in it, apart from those in my house.
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February 25, 2022, 9:27am |
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Heroes On Snake Island Go intercourse yourselves Russia Tweet 1497008459287785472 will appear here... Sadly i fear Kyiv will fall today
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February 25, 2022, 9:57am |
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Somewhere between 350 and 800 Russian troops killed on the first day, Multiple aircraft lost including between 4 and 6 shot down by a single (new) flying ace over Kyiv and a rumours of a transport plane carrying (estimated) 200 paratroopers downed. Fierce defence from the Ukrainians.
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I'd take any claims of losses from either side with a massive pinch of salt, truth be told, as there will be a lot of bullshit propaganda on display. No doubt both sides will suffer substantial casualties as they have similar weapons technology, but the weight of numbers will mean that the Russians will most likely be able to roll through a lot of the Ukrainian defences. With the Ukraine air defences destroyed, they are sitting targets if they try to dig in anywhere.
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