European Super League (merged)

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1386562133702414337?s=19

This needs to be shared far and wide. I don't have sufficient words to describe the levels of greed and debt. What the intercourse are FFP rules for exactly?

The apparent motives for the Dirty Dozen are different.  Real Madrid had been planning the ESL in private for 3 years. This is shocking.

Like Barcelona they have massive debts that are unsustainable.  Each club supporting a star player and trying to keep up with each other - and buy trophies.

The ESL was seen as a quick win for Madrid in reducing the debt.  Their share of the initial £3 Billion plus was the big carrot.  The Real President is a massive fan and all new capital would have gone into the club.  He would not gain personally.

In England there are no such massive debt pressures forcing change.  

Man United were different from the other 5 English clubs.  They were one of the main instigators of the ESL.  It can be reasonably assumed given the Glaziers track record, that the owners’ motivation was personal gain and greed.  No honour whatsoever.

it has been reported that the other 5 English clubs were fearful of being left behind.  They had good income streams,  no unsustainable debts, and are/were generally successful.   As such they were not as motivated as some clubs.  Although they did formally sign-up.

These 5 clubs were the first to crack.  Decisions also made by the overwhelming criticism from their own fans, managers and the Government.  Large protests.  British sense of fair play.  23 years with no relegation beggars belief.  

In Spain there were no protests, or on a much lower level.  They had no sense of outrage as happened in this country. They were laid back and accepted the weaknesses of their club owners.

There are unsubstantiated reports that one unnamed English club only joined the ESL to undermine it from the inside.  

Juventus also seemed to be in the ESL for all the wrong reasons.  AC Milan and Inter Milan are more on the same plane as the 5 English clubs.

Given the weakness of EUFA and meaningless CL games in the group stages, further more refined changes will be planned.  Greed, fear and the pursuit of success and trophies are powerful motivators.  

There is big money backing the ESL from the banks.  Where there is a lot of money there is usually corporate corruption.  In this case there was also football corruption, moral corruption and betrayal of fans.

Quoted from codcheeky

https://www.independent.co.uk/.....united-b1836076.html

Yet another example of Johnson lying. I’m sure he’s not the only one who was in on it and then came out against it when they realised the strength of public opinion. Spineless

I see the 9 teams who dropped out of the ESL have accepted a sanction from UEFA. The 3 remaining ESL teams are facing further action- presumably they will be given an immediately deadline to withdraw and accept the same terms as the other 9 or be banned from all UEFA club competitions?

Nice to see that UEFA have reverted back to normal and are putting fans second again after the ESL debacle.   The Champions League final has been moved to Portugal instead of Wembley all so 3000 Officials and VIP's can attend.   Fans can travel to watch the game, but they will have to pay for Covid tests out of their own pocket, I saw a bit on the news this morning saying this cost will be £300 per person !!!   This is not putting the fans first.   Most importantly is 3000 people from the UK's Amber and Red List countries can now mingle with the 10000 Chelski and City fans.   It's all wrong on so many levels.  

Quoted from Squinter

Nice to see that UEFA have reverted back to normal and are putting fans second again after the ESL debacle.   The Champions League final has been moved to Portugal instead of Wembley all so 3000 Officials and VIP's can attend.   Fans can travel to watch the game, but they will have to pay for Covid tests out of their own pocket, I saw a bit on the news this morning saying this cost will be £300 per person !!!   This is not putting the fans first.   Most importantly is 3000 people from the UK's Amber and Red List countries can now mingle with the 10000 Chelski and City fans.   It's all wrong on so many levels.  

Makes no sense whatsoever. Why on earth can't they play the game at Wembley and save all the hassle. I know that there is already a game scheduled to be played there that day but it's already been announced that game could be rescheduled.

still havent heard about my Euro tickets. its a complete Farce. im sure they'll all go to corporate

Quoted from Les Brechin

Makes no sense whatsoever. Why on earth can't they play the game at Wembley and save all the hassle. I know that there is already a game scheduled to be played there that day but it's already been announced that game could be rescheduled.

Portugal is nice and sunny.  

Isn't Portugal where they had the meetings for the Chicken Tray Trophy?

Quoted from Les Brechin

Makes no sense whatsoever. Why on earth can't they play the game at Wembley and save all the hassle. I know that there is already a game scheduled to be played there that day but it's already been announced that game could be rescheduled.

It seems to be because our government wouldn’t relax the rules on all the officials and hangers on having to do a 10 day quarantine depending on which country they were coming from.

It is actually costing them more to hold it in Portugal than it would in the uk and so for once it does not seem to be about the money