Hurst time officially now up

Over to you Fenty

Has to be sacked, and sacked tonight

no more excuses 2 points from Dover and Nuneaton at home shows we are going nowhere

I was wanting to give Hurst a chance but these performances just don't show any sign of improvement.  In fact we seem much worse than last season so I agree.

Quoted from Bruce Springsteen

Over to you Fenty

Has to be sacked, and sacked tonight

no more excuses 2 points from Dover and Nuneaton at home shows we are going nowhere

JF won't sack him, we still have half the first team out and the team need time to gel, lets see were we are after 10 games  

Give him till the gateshead game. You never know, he might pull his finger out if he knows we need to win a game in order for him to keep his job.

1 goal in three games now that is a joke by they way Paul my GRANDMA is available next week Totally Stressed and despondent about the whole set up  quickly going nowhere at all Fenty if you think Town fans are going to spend £18 to watch this awful  football good luck

Quoted from Marinerz93

JF won't sack him, we still have half the first team out and the team need time to gel, lets see were we are after 10 games  

I tend to agree with both comments, as I remove splinters from my ringer.

On the one hand, we've now become accustomed to life down here so we should be pushing on harder knowing what the league is all about. We shouldn't be giving away soft shitty goals or not scoring against teams. Slight arrogance? Yeah, so what

But

We have players still to return (why didn't we get some cover in) and there has only been 3 games gone and only 6 points dropped

There's another way around this that Hurst will HAVE to take as Fenty will eventually HAVE to put it to him....try another setup. Hurst cant go yet, 3 games in and unbeaten and having built a very solid defence. He just has to start with another lineup and start with Mackreth so we can decide one way or another if Hurst has bo*****ed up by swapping Rodman for him.

Lots of changes and tweaks to be made and we can get started, but until those changes are made I'm not making the trip.

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

I tend to agree with both comments, as I remove splinters from my ringer.

On the one hand, we've now become accustomed to life down here so we should be pushing on harder knowing what the league is all about. We shouldn't be giving away soft shitty goals or not scoring against teams. Slight arrogance? Yeah, so what

But

We have players still to return (why didn't we get some cover in) and there has only been 3 games gone and only 6 points dropped

I'm trying to lighten the mood but I am absolutely furious we are 4 points behind Lincoln after 3 games and they were dog excrement last season.

I think the main problem is back room staff. Full time pro's with 1 manager and 1 coach. No keeper coach no attacking coach. This should of been addressed last season.

Quoted from Marinerz93

I'm trying to lighten the mood but I am absolutely furious we are 4 points behind Lincoln after 3 games and they were dog excrement last season.

They usually start quite brightly. Bookmark this thread, check back at XMAS

He shouldn't be sacked yet, but we need a serious upturn in form if he wants to make it to Christmas. Failing to sign a proven goalscorer and building his team around LJL are baffling decisions, but he seems too stubborn to accept these mistakes. We should have really got at Dover today, instead we set up in a negative defensive formation with a central midfielder and a defensive full back playing on the wings. It clearly wasn't going to put Dover under any serious pressure, and as usual LJL was wasteful (and Connell anonymous - maybe you should have tried harder to get Bogle or Williams, Paul?)

Agree.  Same old boring negative shite.  

Trouble is that he has signed proven goal scorers, and as soon as they pull a shirt on they stop scoring,, got to be down to the way we play , and that is down to the manager,, He has to go  And NOW

Quoted from Eastendmariner

1 goal in three games now that is a joke by they way Paul my GRANDMA is available next week Totally Stressed and despondent about the whole set up  quickly going nowhere at all Fenty if you think Town fans are going to spend £18 to watch this awful  football good luck

Harsh to blame John Fenty, without him we would be in the mammary.

John Fenty puts his faith and money in people who are supposedly experts in football.

When managers and players are long gone, John Fenty will still be a Mariner.

Anyone for fishing next week????

Connell is not a proven scorer. He hasn't scored for 18 months.

No argument from me. I said he should have gone when Scott went and Mills was still available. We didn't move fast enough and Gateshead did. Then i said at the seasons end that he should go and got plenty of flak for saying so.

We were playing Dover at home and had 3 centre backs and two wingers who were not wingers on the pitch, with 2 proper wingers on the bench. Crap first half and he still doesn't change things at half time.

If he gets the sack, it will be his own doing.

I think I'll wait till he has a full squad to pick from before I think he should be put in the dole, I've been on it before it's not very nice.

Quoted from ginnywings

No argument from me. I said he should have gone when Scott went and Mills was still available. We didn't move fast enough and Gateshead did. Then i said at the seasons end that he should go and got plenty of flak for saying so.

We were playing Dover at home and had 3 centre backs and two wingers who were not wingers on the pitch, with 2 proper wingers on the bench. Crap first half and he still doesn't change things at half time.

If he gets the sack, it will be his own doing.

totaly agree

I think the LJL thing has to be fixed, Connell looked to have a good touch in the tv game, however our game is build around LJL so much that he receives the ball a lot more as striker, and his finishing....oh you know the drill. I believe Connell can do much better so for Gods sake let's try another forward line without Lenny and play to our other strengths. Mackreth's a worry too....but maybe this stupid toothless system we currently persist with doesn't suit him either.
Mackreth and Connell are BETTER than todays match showed, but one laboured and came off early, one missed most of the game and was then thrown on in some vain attempt to claw back a narrow win over DOVER. DOVER!!!  

Tactical flexibility needed Paul...are you up to this?

but one laboured and came off early, one missed most of the game and was then thrown on in some vain attempt to claw back a narrow win over DOVER

And LJL stayed ON!


*baffled*

Quoted from Mariner Ronnie

I think I'll wait till he has a full squad to pick from before I think he should be put in the dole, I've been on it before it's not very nice.

That's the life of a football manager. Most of us have been out of work at some point.

Maybe he does deserve a bit longer to get it right but he'll be doing it without some long term fans watching.

Really really dissapointed and dispondant right now. Am not going to jump on the bandwagon of calling for hurst to be sacked, Crikey it's only 3 games, we haven't been beaten and decent players to come into the starting line up. But what i will say is that it is going to be a very long time before I will consider parting with hard earned cash to be be continually dissapointed again. I can accept we aren't a team of world beaters, I can accept we are non league and deservedly so on merit , but I just cannot accept the failings of players and management who should be capable of a whoe lot better. The players am sure are trying their best as is the manager but if we all agree that we are a strong team on paper then we really do have to look at the coaching and training methods. The board have backed him time and again and we have had 2 good efforts at getting out this league but eventually if it is not working then something has to Change. Would love a john still character to come in , but only if after given sufficient time hurst cannot get the balance right. UTM

Only positive thing is we are creating chances. Their goal was awful though, how can 3 players not stop 1 breakaway runner?! He wasn't even quick! Really like magnay and toto, similar story with finishing. LJL arguably played better than Connell who was very quiet
I'm not on the Hurst out bandwagon yet but may soon be catching a ride

Quoted from Kymariner12

Only positive thing is we are creating chances. Their goal was awful though, how can 3 players not stop 1 breakaway runner?! He wasn't even quick! Really like magnay and toto, similar story with finishing. LJL arguably played better than Connell who was very quiet
I'm not on the Hurst out bandwagon yet but may soon be catching a ride

No argument at all.  Connell was poor yet again.  Never saw the Bristol game, but on tuesday night and again today Connell spent more time moaning at the Ref then he did concentrating on the game.  

I start this by saying that I have absolutely avoided negativity until now but it's becoming clear that Hurst is not the man to take us up.

In my view, he picked the wrong team today.  Judging from the commentary and other comments, Winfarrah was a bright spot on Tuesday.  In pre-season Paddy has looked strong in the centre.  If he was going to play 352, the Winfarrah should have played wide left and Paddy in the middle.

Secondly, he doesn't seem to know what to do with his squad. If Pittman and Makreth were fit, why not play them.  We have been crying out for attackers but he leaves these two on the bench.

There are always strange results early on but the fact is that Bristol, Nuneaton and Dover all have one point only from three games.  Six other teams have played and beaten them but we have only managed a draw.  

I fear we will get hammered by Gateshead.  

Paul isn't a bad manager he just isn't good enough for the challenge faced.  It is exceptionally difficult to get out of this league.  And teams that go up can go up again - Crawley and Fleetwood are both going strong in L1.  Luton got in right with John Sill, some have Gateshead.  We need to top lower league manager to get the best from a good squad.

If Paul stays we will still be a good play off bet but we won't go up.

Nice guy, decent guy but time for a change!!

Quoted from Chrisblor

He shouldn't be sacked yet, but we need a serious upturn in form if he wants to make it to Christmas. Failing to sign a proven goalscorer and building his team around LJL are baffling decisions, but he seems too stubborn to accept these mistakes. We should have really got at Dover today, instead we set up in a negative defensive formation with a central midfielder and a defensive full back playing on the wings. It clearly wasn't going to put Dover under any serious pressure, and as usual LJL was wasteful (and Connell anonymous - maybe you should have tried harder to get Bogle or Williams, Paul?)

This

He won't be sacked. JF will accept the excuse about injuries and suspensions for now, but like the rest of us he will have thoughts about it. I don't rate PH as a manager. Even brilliant coaches have failed as managers and there is a skill to getting the best out of players that PH simply hasn't got. However in fairness he deserves the chance to get his first choice team out there.

Three games in and with much of the attacking unit still injured, I think we're pressing the panic button a little early, and without any regard for what to do instead.  I think if anyone wants to play out the "Hurst Out" scenario on here, they need to be saying what their alternative is, name some names and explain how JF would conduct the search and the transition period to a new manager.

My desire to see a different approach, one not built around hitting a big guy in the air, is well-documented on other threads, but I'm hopeful that with Neilson and some strikers to come back, Winfarrah potentially carving out a role on the wing, and a (usually) decent defence, there are grounds to be hopeful.

The test for me will be what happens when we have the full squad and PH has more permutations and combinations.  Will he release some of the cautious shackles and take a few risks?  Will he try something a bit different?  Will he build the pointy end of the team around beauty rather than brawn?  Let's rate progress then.

I thought pitman looked bright today, Dover were there for the taking and we've dropped another 2 points against a poor side roll on next Saturday god I hope we win.

We're nowhere near that stage yet. With players coming back things can only improve. I'd give him the whole season with a target of top 5 finish.

Some teams promoted (or thereabouts) have struggled at the start of the season.  We won at Crawley, Kiddo struggled badly for a long time and Luton started poorly last season.

It is a marathon not a sprint.  

if you thought things were bad?

http://www.gasheads.org

Quoted from GrimRob

We're nowhere near that stage yet. With players coming back things can only improve. I'd give him the whole season with a target of top 5 finish.

Can't give him the whole season if this carries on.

Quoted from mariner91

Can't give him the whole season if this carries on.

i know but we can honestly say the last 2 seasons'  starts haven't been too great, but we never looked back at the end of them.

UTM!

The test for me will be what happens when we have the full squad and PH has more permutations and combinations.  Will he release some of the cautious shackles and take a few risks?  Will he try something a bit different?  Will he build the pointy end of the team around beauty rather than brawn?  Let's rate progress then.[/quote]

Unfortunately I feel he will still be as cautious as usual ,  rotating the team , playing the same style , leopards don't change their spots .
When will the players start to loose faith ?

I am as sick as a parrott,

AND

I hope Hurst is as well,

I do not think he should be sacked though,

Give him 5 or 6 games with a full squad then if we are still as bad,

He will have to go.

It's only a week ago that we were laughing at Huddersfield for sacking Robins after one match of the season. Now people are seriously saying we should sack Hurst after three drawn matches? Ridiculous.

However, it must be said that it was a pretty dire performance today. I was surprised that we played with 3 at the back as I really don't think we have the players available to perform in this formation. Neither Boyce nor Nsiala is much good on the ball so this led to way too many hacks upfield. Probably Boyce's worst game for us I'd say and he was incredibly lucky that McKeown was able to save that penalty at the death as it was a ridiculous penalty to concede as there was no danger. Nsiala made a few good tackles but most were recovery tackles because he'd been caught badly out of position. I hope to see a big improvement from him this season as he's not been too good so far. Pearson slotted back in very well and was probably my man of the match which doesn't say a lot for the team's performance.

For me, the biggest disappointment today was how poor our central midfield pairing were. How on Earth was Brown awarded Man of the Match? He was poor today - barely in the game, not even bothering to challenge for headers and our passing from and through midfield from him and the others was poor. Heaven only knows how he managed to miss the open goal near the end - a certain player in our team would have been crucified for that miss, but it doesn't seem to be worth much mention on here. Clay tried hard but is distinctly average and really doesn know what to do when he finds himself in a wide position. Disley blew hot and cold a lot today as well.

Magnay tried his hardest from wing-back but, with the best will in the world, he's never going to be a great attacker. On the other side, Paddy showed he's not a defender as he was caught out of position a fair bit against their quick winger and his lack of pace didn't help. I don't put all the blame on him for their equaliser as he did at least put a challenge in but it was simply pathetic that the other two defenders took themselves out of the game by just standing in completely the wrong position.

Up front, LJL worked hard as usual and did OK I thought, especially as Connell was mostly invisible once again. Did LJL's shot just hit the post or did the keeper get fingertips on it as well? Should have done better with his header a few seconds later though when he beat the keeper to the ball. Pittman a big improvement when he came on with some pace and aggression so let's hope he can stay fit. Not sure if we'll see too much more of Connell now as three games of doing nothing must surely be enough for us to decide he's not worth keeping.

I just hope that the return of Nielsen, Hannah, Arnold and Mackreth can spur us on and give us some pep that we were so badly lacking today.

Quoted from GrimRob

We're nowhere near that stage yet. With players coming back things can only improve. I'd give him the whole season with a target of top 5 finish.

I really do admire your optimism but ............. Might as well give him next season as well then, and the one after that?

Give it 10 games then release your frustrations. Your missus must be really disappointed if your this quick with everything.

Too early to tell, Luton played mediocre at the start of last season and look where they are now.

Quoted from Nelly GTFC

Too early to tell, Luton played mediocre at the start of last season and look where they are now.

yeah, but I don't feel PH has it in him to 'turn this around' (if that's the right phase)

Timmo
UTM

Quoted from Bruce Springsteen

Over to you Fenty

Has to be sacked, and sacked tonight

no more excuses 2 points from Dover and Nuneaton at home shows we are going nowhere

Far too much of a good idea to ever happen at grimsby town.

Quoted from Maringer

It's only a week ago that we were laughing at Huddersfield for sacking Robins after one match of the season. Now people are seriously saying we should sack Hurst after three drawn matches? Ridiculous.

However, it must be said that it was a pretty dire performance today. I was surprised that we played with 3 at the back as I really don't think we have the players available to perform in this formation. Neither Boyce nor Nsiala is much good on the ball so this led to way too many hacks upfield. Probably Boyce's worst game for us I'd say and he was incredibly lucky that McKeown was able to save that penalty at the death as it was a ridiculous penalty to concede as there was no danger. Nsiala made a few good tackles but most were recovery tackles because he'd been caught badly out of position. I hope to see a big improvement from him this season as he's not been too good so far. Pearson slotted back in very well and was probably my man of the match which doesn't say a lot for the team's performance.

For me, the biggest disappointment today was how poor our central midfield pairing were. How on Earth was Brown awarded Man of the Match? He was poor today - barely in the game, not even bothering to challenge for headers and our passing from and through midfield from him and the others was poor. Heaven only knows how he managed to miss the open goal near the end - a certain player in our team would have been crucified for that miss, but it doesn't seem to be worth much mention on here. Clay tried hard but is distinctly average and really doesn know what to do when he finds himself in a wide position. Disley blew hot and cold a lot today as well.

Magnay tried his hardest from wing-back but, with the best will in the world, he's never going to be a great attacker. On the other side, Paddy showed he's not a defender as he was caught out of position a fair bit against their quick winger and his lack of pace didn't help. I don't put all the blame on him for their equaliser as he did at least put a challenge in but it was simply pathetic that the other two defenders took themselves out of the game by just standing in completely the wrong position.

Up front, LJL worked hard as usual and did OK I thought, especially as Connell was mostly invisible once again. Did LJL's shot just hit the post or did the keeper get fingertips on it as well? Should have done better with his header a few seconds later though when he beat the keeper to the ball. Pittman a big improvement when he came on with some pace and aggression so let's hope he can stay fit. Not sure if we'll see too much more of Connell now as three games of doing nothing must surely be enough for us to decide he's not worth keeping.

I just hope that the return of Nielsen, Hannah, Arnold and Mackreth can spur us on and give us some pep that we were so badly lacking today.

Or in other words your papering over the cracks and don't want to believe the truth which is we ain't getting out this league with Paul in charge.

Quoted from timmo

yeah, but I don't feel PH has it in him to 'turn this around' (if that's the right phase)

Timmo
UTM

Agree, how could he leave Winfarrah out after all he said about him in the week?

Totally despondent after that. The worst thing is we look like we haven't progressed from last season. Not going to write too much but it's time for a change IMO.

Quoted from denni266

Trouble is that he has signed proven goal scorers, and as soon as they pull a shirt on they stop scoring,, got to be down to the way we play , and that is down to the manager,, He has to go  And NOW

I agree 100% he as no ider must go now I am  not spending any more cash whiled he is still, here.

Let's face it . We 're shite and always will be . We occasionally have good managers who know what they're doing like mcmenemy, Kerr and Buckley . The rest of the time we're led by muppets and won't do fook all .

I don't understand why he left Winnfarah out after his performance on Tuesday. If PH sees Toto and Pearson as our strongest centre-back pairing then he should have dropped Boyce for Pearson and still played Winnfarah at left-back. The whole set-up was lop-sided. I also don't see Connell as the answer to our striker needs as he didn't impress me on Tuesday or today. Just before we scored PH was about to bring Makreth on but decided not to when we scored. Surely this was the right time to bring him on and give the Dover defence more to think about after going a goal down. Another thing I noticed was that nearly all of the game PH was consulting with Dave Moore and not Doig. Surely the Assistant Manager is the person who the manager should consult and bounce ideas off?

How long is Connell with us for?

Will be interesting to see which team Hurst puts out against Gateshead next week.

Quoted from HackneyHaddock

Three games in and with much of the attacking unit still injured, I think we're pressing the panic button a little early, and without any regard for what to do instead.  I think if anyone wants to play out the "Hurst Out" scenario on here, they need to be saying what their alternative is, name some names and explain how JF would conduct the search and the transition period to a new manager.

My desire to see a different approach, one not built around hitting a big guy in the air, is well-documented on other threads, but I'm hopeful that with Neilson and some strikers to come back, Winfarrah potentially carving out a role on the wing, and a (usually) decent defence, there are grounds to be hopeful.

The test for me will be what happens when we have the full squad and PH has more permutations and combinations.  Will he release some of the cautious shackles and take a few risks?  Will he try something a bit different?  Will he build the pointy end of the team around beauty rather than brawn?  Let's rate progress then.

Nevermind about "pressing the panic button early" Hurst should have gone last Christmas. He is tactically inept to say the least and plays some of the most boring football ever seen in the history of Blundell park.
I got pelters on here last season for saying Hurs had to go and for Getyourfactsright to do whatever it takes to get Mills in as Manager.
As the idiot is still our Manager I was prepared to give him 10 or so game until he got players back but when I got to the game and see that Winfarrah wasnt starting I thought fcuk him sack the twit now because hes a fool.
If we play like this next week Oster and Rodman will take us apart and we will get a good hiding.
We have no chance of promotion with this clown in charge.

Quoted from cmackenzie4

How long is Connell with us for?

I think I heard from a source at the club that he has a month to " prove himself". He might as well go now as far as I'm concerned.

Quoted from rancido

I think I heard from a source at the club that he has a month to " prove himself". He might as well go now as far as I'm concerned.

Lets hope Pittman and Hannah get a good understanding with each other (That's if Hurst will go with this pairing)

its negative football setting up like that at home against a poor side in dover, and makes it even worse playing players out of position to accommodate others who arent good enough or because you havent got the bottle to drop a centre half. We have good players here but it seems hurst hasnt got what it takes to get the best out of them, We are more concerned in keeping clean sheets than trying to score goals. The only way we are going to get out of this league is by winning it and by scoring plenty of goals. Its a farce we dont have a gk coach but we also need an attack minded guy in the dugout. I beleive the players are at the club to get us promotion, but we have the wrong man in charge. I think he should go UTM

Surely PH must realise that he only has this season to get us promoted and playing formations like he did today won't achieve that.

Does anybody have a link to Paul Hurst thoughts after the Dover game please ?

Quoted from cmackenzie4

Does anybody have a link to Paul Hurst thoughts after the Dover game please ?

Yes, but you're honestly best not to listen!

Quoted from denni266

Trouble is that he has signed proven goal scorers, and as soon as they pull a shirt on they stop scoring,, got to be down to the way we play , and that is down to the manager,, He has to go  And NOW

I'm struggling with the proven goal scorer bit.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Yes, but you're honestly best not to listen!

What did he say (my speakers on computer are knackered)  

Please post a link if you have it. I'd be interested to hear

On the Beeb... [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28822365[/url]

Quoted from RoboCod

On the Beeb... [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28822365[/url]

Thanks for that, TBH he does not fill with me any confidence at all!

No, his comments on getting the 2nd goal....puzzling re Mackreth kitted out and ready to join in. I'm also becoming quite despairing the more I think of Hursts substitutions. May be wrong but I don't think he's EVER changed a game with tactical subs. He just replaces injured/tired players.

Quoted from RoboCod

On the Beeb... [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28822365[/url]

Just listened on my phone.

"You went 3 5 2 how do you think it went"??

"Ok, not bad at all"

Quoted from Civvy at last

Just listened on my phone.

"You went 3 5 2 how do you think it went"??

"Ok, not bad at all"

Good to see you back posting civvy, Met up with a couple of me old mates the other week off HMS Blackwater.

His interviews should be pre recorded because its the same monotonous shite every week..

I mean how can the man be any more boring and negative..

Listening to that does he actually ever think he realises how daft he sounds ?

Thanks for posting that. Get the impression that was edited. Would like to hear the full interview if that's available on audioboo?

Quoted from chaos33

Thanks for posting that. Get the impression that was edited. Would like to hear the full interview if that's available on audioboo?

You can get that via Radio Humberside on Twitter

Thanks OC

That was depressing, we totally threw it away, to be fair to them I thought they were big and strong, but they were 2nd best and were totally thrilled with a point. The three players that didn't wipe that little player out have cost us the points, even then brown has missed the easiest chance of the season.

Positives, I thought Pittman looked really dangerous and looked good with Lenny who I also thought had a good game and was unlucky not to score today.


Players still to comeback and way to early for a sacking, it was excrement but I'm sure it will improve.

I'm far from the point of saying he should be sacked, BUT my confidence in Hurst suffered a bit today.

I personally feel he should have gone with 352 on Tuesday with the players available. He did today but I do wonder whether he did so just to avoid having to leave out one of the centre-backs more than anything else.

Anyway, he goes with 352. I initially think that's a good move. Then, I see the line-up. Paddy left wing-back and Magnay right wing-back? I could've lived with Magnay on one side if Winfarrah was on the other side offering the energy and ability to get up and down the flank on his own that is needed for a wing-back.

I get the impression Hurst went with 352 for the CB issue, and then just shoehorned players into positions just to get the senior players in the eleven. Much like England did for many years. Either that or he doesn't understand the attributes required to play certain positions in formations other than 442.

That last sentence leads me to my next point. The reason this has made such an impression on me today is because its not just a one-off. It's added to what I saw as his lack of understanding of how to make 433 work in our previous attempts at playing that formation. His lack of knowledge in how to set us up to play it or signing wrong players to try and play it.

Quoted from Bruce Springsteen

Over to you Fenty

Has to be sacked, and sacked tonight

no more excuses 2 points from Dover and Nuneaton at home shows we are going nowhere

Are you actually for real? We have quite a few players out injured at the moment, not to mention the fact we are only 3 GAMES IN!

Cometh the 10th game and we aren't in the top 6, then moaning about the squad would be viable, not 3 games in......

I really don't understand some people on here..

Quoted from headingly_mariner

That was depressing, we totally threw it away, to be fair to them I thought they were big and strong, but they were 2nd best and were totally thrilled with a point. The three players that didn't wipe that little player out have cost us the points, even then brown has missed the easiest chance of the season.

Positives, I thought Pittman looked really dangerous and looked good with Lenny who I also thought had a good game and was unlucky not to score today.


Players still to comeback and way to early for a sacking, it was excrement but I'm sure it will improve.

What a load of boll0cks.
We "threw it away" because of the way the Managers set up the team, his lack of tactical know how, the predictable football we play and having a bloke up front who is the worst finisher this club has had for years.
Its got so boring seeing on here that LJL had a good game, unlucky and all the rest of that balderdash. LJL missed a hat full of chances today, hes the worst finisher we have had at this club for years and years.

Quoted from rancido

I don't understand why he left Winnfarah out after his performance on Tuesday. If PH sees Toto and Pearson as our strongest centre-back pairing then he should have dropped Boyce for Pearson and still played Winnfarah at left-back. The whole set-up was lop-sided. I also don't see Connell as the answer to our striker needs as he didn't impress me on Tuesday or today. Just before we scored PH was about to bring Makreth on but decided not to when we scored. Surely this was the right time to bring him on and give the Dover defence more to think about after going a goal down. Another thing I noticed was that nearly all of the game PH was consulting with Dave Moore and not Doig. Surely the Assistant Manager is the person who the manager should consult and bounce ideas off?

this.  I noticed quite a few things from what you've put included Dave Moore talking to PH he's just a physio I know he was ex manager and assistance but maybe his advice is not helping I don't know but he should just stick to physiotherapy.  

I thought brown did ok a saw him jump for a few headers and looked to try and pick up the pace but no one was really moving in midfield so a lot went long.  But toto was excellent and pearson as well.  I didn't think he deserved the yellow it was harsh for his first offence they did quite a few fouls but was never interested in booking them.  I thought Boyce did ok in the air but I get nervous when he is in pocession I don't why its just a feeling I get, maybe because he plays too many backwards passes.  I felt lenny was unlucky today I actually felt for him today.  

I think Connell on ball was ok but had no real outlet as the wingbacks never really got forward that much.  Paddy should have played in the centre in place off Clay and Winfarrah LWB, or move Magnay to LWB and Bignot or Walker at RWB.  

I thought Pitman looked lively but I was expecting Makreth to be really quick when he came on maybe he needs a few games.

Just disappointed I dont get to many games but was saying to my old man how quite BP was only the band and a few ponny fans singing but yhe upper was quite.  Its like everyone is just waiting for something positive to get us back in that mood I think we're all fed up.

Too cautious, too naive and too negative sums up PH for me. As some people have suggested, he struggles to affect games with substitutions. Tactically, he's fairly one dimensional and never really has a plan b.

I like Hurst, I think he's a good honest bloke and would love him to succeed. I just feel he may be a little out of his depth. We see very little link up play between the midfield and the strikers and very little chances created for the forwards. John-Lewis is not the player to build your attack around, mainly because he's so clumsy, inconsistent and inaccurate with his service to his strike partner.

Disley is anonymous for most matches and lacks concentration. He may get a few goals a season but probably costs us in potential chances created by the deficiencies in his game. Hurst's favouritism of these two players will see him get the sack eventually.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Harsh to blame John Fenty, without him we would be in the mammary.

John Fenty puts his faith and money in people who are supposedly experts in football.

When managers and players are long gone, John Fenty will still be a Mariner.

£3m in debt and in the fifth tier for the 5th season. Things could be much worse.

Quoted from HackneyHaddock

Three games in and with much of the attacking unit still injured, I think we're pressing the panic button a little early, and without any regard for what to do instead.  I think if anyone wants to play out the "Hurst Out" scenario on here, they need to be saying what their alternative is, name some names and explain how JF would conduct the search and the transition period to a new manager.

My desire to see a different approach, one not built around hitting a big guy in the air, is well-documented on other threads, but I'm hopeful that with Neilson and some strikers to come back, Winfarrah potentially carving out a role on the wing, and a (usually) decent defence, there are grounds to be hopeful.

The test for me will be what happens when we have the full squad and PH has more permutations and combinations.  Will he release some of the cautious shackles and take a few risks?  Will he try something a bit different?  Will he build the pointy end of the team around beauty rather than brawn?  Let's rate progress then.

Run that past me again.

The fans have to come up with some names and show how Fenty would conduct the search for a new one?

I think I am being fair in suggesting the least Mr.Fenty could do is be responsible for that.

Oh hang on - yes you're right -let the fans do it!!

I think we all know, just as last time, there will be no plan, no number one target to be recruited at all costs. No, we will "see who is interested; who will manage on a "competitive but not the best" budget and then take an age to get the 3rd or 4th choice.

Bearing all that in mind I think we should stick with Paul Hurst for now.  

Quoted from Mariner Ronnie

i know but we can honestly say the last 2 seasons'  starts haven't been too great, but we never looked back at the end of them.

UTM!

I did and do. I'm sure others must look back and despair too.

You could tell as early as Barnet away in February that we weren't good enough and we got spanked by Gateshead in the play-offs. Out-thought and out-fought in the play offs two seasons running. And the season before that we didn't achieve such success as reaching the play-offs in Division 5.

Quoted from rancido

I think I heard from a source at the club that he has a month to " prove himself". He might as well go now as far as I'm concerned.

Unbelievable. The other idiots get much longer.

Today is really the first day that I'd have to question Paul's bottle. It's clearly evident he felt he couldn't drop Boyce (Scunny not best pleased) and would have been pilloried for not putting Pearson back in; Winfarrah clearly being the easiest to drop. So he has gone for a system whose success, to me, would be based more on luck than on judgement.

What does that say to Winfarrah after his praise-winning performance on Tuesday? Would have given the lad real confidence to start today and he deserved it. :/ It was inevitable there were going to be players playing out of position and Paul still had his hands tied with personnel but he could and should have been more positive in my eyes. Paddy and Magnay playing wing backs is not going to give us the attacking impetus we need. I'm certainly not calling for him to be sacked but I think his decision making leaves a lot to be desired today .

I think this is incredibly concerning now, I could take a point at Rovers but since then this has been an area of concern.  How a season of optimism has been sucked out of us in 270 minutes is scary.

But I do not think his time is up yet.  We have given him a summer to buy players and get his squad sorted, he needs time to work with them and changing managers this early is madness.    However things need to change pretty damn quickly!  The footie I have seen thus far is poor and how many chances can LJL miss? It is ridiculous, if he could put the ball in the net with any kind of ability we would have 9 points right now!  (didn't see the game today so am going on the fact that he hit the post as a chance he should of scored, if I am wrong I apologise but insist he still needs to learn to score and am begging him to prove so many of us on here wrong!)

At the end of last season I think the consensus was we need better football or top spot, for me Hurst definitely has more time to get either of those going, but not too much longer, come on Paul! Prove the BT Sport pundits right and the many of us doubting you are the right man for the job wrong.  

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Or in other words your papering over the cracks and don't want to believe the truth which is we ain't getting out this league with Paul in charge.

Actually, I was just giving a reasoned view of the game. A very poor performance, as I noted. Still should have won, mind.

Interesting to note that you've written us off this season already, despite the fact that we've only played 3 out of 46 games, all of which could easily have been won even with our team so badly hit by injuries and suspensions.

I do hope you'll be able to enjoy it if we get a turnaround in our fortunes and start to do well.

Today made me think two things:

1) PH wants not to lose more than he wants to win (understandable, but won't win the league like that),

and

2) Connell isn't the answer to our striking problems (but Pittman could be).

Frustrated again, but too soon to panic surely?

Quoted from TAGG

What a load of boll0cks.
We "threw it away" because of the way the Managers set up the team, his lack of tactical know how, the predictable football we play and having a bloke up front who is the worst finisher this club has had for years.
Its got so boring seeing on here that LJL had a good game, unlucky and all the rest of that balderdash. LJL missed a hat full of chances today, hes the worst finisher we have had at this club for years and years.

I don't think he missed a hatful of chances yesterday, I thought he was unlucky with some good efforts, he had a good game, the best chance of the game and season so far was fluffed by brown.

It's funny how so many other fans are baffled as to how LJL starts every game for us. When you have Dover fans saying 'what is the point in LJL' then you have to start questioning things.

It's also odd to see the people grilling me and others for our consistent views on Hurst are now straight on the bandwagon 3 games in. I don't think he should go just yet, but he's doing all the things a lot of us predicted he would.

I took a Luton supporting mate to the Gateshead play off first leg at BP at the end of last season. Pretty much the first things he said after the game were: 'you'll never get promoted with John Lewis as your main forward', and 'your manager's not brave enough'.

80% think Hurst should be sacked according to that poll?

What thefuck is wrong with (the majority) of you arseholes on here? No one has seen us play a competitive match with anything near a full strength team this season. Yes, we haven't won the first three games but we haven't lost either.

Many of you are sounding like a bunch of spoilt brats (typical football fans, especially Premiershit). Why don't you wait until he has a stronger first team to choose from before proffering your opinions?

Quoted from oldludensian

80% think Hurst should be sacked according to that poll?

What thefuck is wrong with (the majority) of you arseholes on here? No one has seen us play a competitive match with anything near a full strength team this season. Yes, we haven't won the first three games but we haven't lost either.

Many of you are sounding like a bunch of spoilt brats (typical football fans, especially Premiershit). Why don't you wait until he has a stronger first team to choose from before proffering your opinions?

Nicely put sir. If we have a different view we are arseholes. Great debating skills there.

Quoted from oldludensian

80% think Hurst should be sacked according to that poll?

What thefuck is wrong with (the majority) of you arseholes on here? No one has seen us play a competitive match with anything near a full strength team this season. Yes, we haven't won the first three games but we haven't lost either.

Many of you are sounding like a bunch of spoilt brats (typical football fans, especially Premiershit). Why don't you wait until he has a stronger first team to choose from before proffering your opinions?

We arseholes have a right to put our point across and will do so, without calling other posters names.. but i would sugest that next time you are wiping yours , save some paper for your glasses , then you may see things as they are

Don't call people names for heavens sake. For me I agree with Pontoonlew, Hurst shouldn't go now but there are problems Paul needs to answer, but ppl who think he should go now actually have a point.I think they are wrong certainly but not arseholes!