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JS and AP have taken full responsibility for last season and have publicly apologised.
Yes but that’s a matter of publicly recorded fact. Grim Pol says JS is ‘absolving himself from this mess’. He is usually right, so the facts must be wrong 🫤🤷♂️
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Yes but that’s a matter of publicly recorded fact. Grim Pol says JS is ‘absolving himself from this mess’. He is usually right, so the facts must be wrong 🫤🤷♂️
I could be wrong but I get the impression that GrimPol doesn't like JS, doesn't like him having an article in The Guardian, doesn't like The Guardian or all three. Maybe nothing but just the impression that I get.
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I could be wrong but I get the impression that GrimPol doesn't like JS, doesn't like him having an article in The Guardian, doesn't like The Guardian or all three. Maybe nothing but just the impression that I get.
You're right, I don't like JS 's politics and the Sinister DIE he's into. I don't mind him prattling away in the Guardian, it's his life, but I don't like the Guardian. Two out of three, not bad not a bad effort. I missed the beating of his breast and chanting Mea Culpa by JS, so fair comment I wrote before finding out the facts, so Left Wing of me. Mea Culpa. JS saying sorry, and I, doesn't absolve us from the fact that I wrote a badly researched piece, but he nearly sent the club into oblivion. And when we fans started to question what was going on early on in the season, not only were we fobbed off but told the Data showed we played ever so well. Does Pork Pie'ng cover this? I am worried that he's mishandled/mishandling the playing side and season 24/25 will If you split the footballing side from the rest (ie stadium ) they're doing a fair job and you won't find a historic post with me moaning about it. Will I be buying tickets, of course as you well know Fans are forever, Players/Managers/Owners are transient.
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To bring the discussion away from which suburb of Manchester is 2 hours and 34 minutes away from Blundell Park, I thought the core content of the article was interesting. He has nailed his colours to the mast now though. At some point in the future we will either get a transfer window wrong or fail to get the best out of the data-led signings. In a situation where we perform badly despite signing from the data, it will be interesting to see if the blame is levelled at the coach, the data, or those analysing the data.
If the standard of the January recruitment can be replicated over the summer then we are in a good place. I'd like a couple of young players with potential through the door also because we do need to be generating income from our transfer business if we are to progress.
Does blame need to be levelled? Most good organisations will try to make failure blameless so you can have honest conversations, identify the problems and fix them. And last transfer failed because we ignored the data, so it wouldn't be fair if we amplify the failures with data, and ignore the failures of the gut feel approach. It feels like there is a risk of conformational bias here where we only focus on failure to make a point we wanted to as it validates how we already felt.
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You're right, I don't like JS 's politics and the Sinister DIE he's into. I don't mind him prattling away in the Guardian, it's his life, but I don't like the Guardian. Two out of three, not bad not a bad effort. I missed the beating of his breast and chanting Mea Culpa by JS, so fair comment I wrote before finding out the facts, so Left Wing of me. Mea Culpa. JS saying sorry, and I, doesn't absolve us from the fact that I wrote a badly researched piece, but he nearly sent the club into oblivion. And when we fans started to question what was going on early on in the season, not only were we fobbed off but told the Data showed we played ever so well. Does Pork Pie'ng cover this? I am worried that he's mishandled/mishandling the playing side and season 24/25 will If you split the footballing side from the rest (ie stadium ) they're doing a fair job and you won't find a historic post with me moaning about it. Will I be buying tickets, of course as you well know Fans are forever, Players/Managers/Owners are transient.
Very magnanimous of you to admit you're errors as well as JS. At least you are open enough to admit you don't like JS , They Guardian and that you allow politics to affect your judgement of the running of a non- political industry ie football ( well at least as GTFC is concerned - views where Rangers or Celtic are concerned is a different kettle of fish ). I think using the expression " oblivion" is a tad dramatic as many clubs of a similar standing to us have gone non- league only to return and many quite quickly. In fact we have twice and bounced back. I don't think it's a case of " telling porky pies" about the data early in the season but you can put your own slant on it as you are, by your own admission, sceptical about a data lead pathway. You seem to overlook the fact that we had a hybrid version with recruitment mostly done by a more traditional approach and performances being judged by the data of individuals and as a collective. Yes, you could be right that by allowing PH to have more control over recruitment then JS did " mishandle" the situation and admitted as such. I'm sure during your working career you have mishandled situations , made wrong decisions and thought afterwards that you could have done things differently.As JS pointed out, we have a single, integrated approach now and I think any judgement should be reserved until we see the full implementation of this.
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I could be wrong but I get the impression that GrimPol doesn't like JS, doesn't like him having an article in The Guardian, doesn't like The Guardian or all three. Maybe nothing but just the impression that I get.
How many times a day do you think he says “woke”?
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I’m happy for him to write what he likes where he likes as long as the team gets backed and he delivers on promises.
I expected more this season and I expect more next , let’s see what he does about it
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Without knowing what the data is they are focusing on we really can't comment.....if data was used in the January window did it bring improved players to the club ?
Smith..........on the fence Thompson .......yes Hume .......on the fence Tharme....yes Obikwu.....no
So not a terrible strike rate overall.....
Just hope data includes things like background checks for upcoming court cases, drink driving and some background checks regards professionalism.
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Clubs go up and down the leagues generally, that I don’t have a problem with. Simple!! fortunes on the field come and go irrespective of intent to do the best. That I do t have a problem with.
What I have a problem with is wrecking the business case. Are we in a dash for cash. If you think ‘yes’ ask yourself why.
Bit like “one out” “one in “ was that a sign.
JS warns the figures are not good. What’s happened to his notion of “sustainability”
Hope I am very wrong. But!!!
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Clubs go up and down the leagues generally, that I don’t have a problem with. Simple!! fortunes on the field come and go irrespective of intent to do the best. That I do t have a problem with.
What I have a problem with is wrecking the business case. Are we in a dash for cash. If you think ‘yes’ ask yourself why.
Bit like “one out” “one in “ was that a sign.
JS warns the figures are not good. What’s happened to his notion of “sustainability”
Hope I am very wrong. But!!!
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