Give Pearson and Davies the job

If you’re an unemployed manager you’re already deemed a failure in your last post. Vacancies don’t arise at clubs doing well, and if they do, then those sacked for failing in recent posts are at a competitive disadvantage. The only way to mend your professional reputation is to take a risk and get back in the game. Struggling clubs sack managers. There is a a mutual sense that both parties are taking a punt. It’s how it is.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

It's so tricky and not an easy fix. We run the risk of a Nicky Law situation. I'm not sure what managers would fancy it.

Artell’s had a game more than Nicky Law had in the Town dugout, but his record is already palpably worse (win % - PPG)

Dave Artell - 15.4% - 0.77
Nicky Law - 25.0% - 0.92

In Law’s 12 games in charge, we conceded 21 goals. Artell has managed that in just the last 6.

Quoted from Poojah

Artell’s had a game more than Nicky Law had in the Town dugout, but his record is already palpably worse (win % - PPG)

Dave Artell - 15.4% - 0.77
Nicky Law - 25.0% - 0.92

In Law’s 12 games in charge, we conceded 21 goals. Artell has managed that in just the last 6.

I'm completely convinced Artell needs to go. The stats only add to the disaster unfolding in front of my eyes.

I'm just not sure whether the answer is a caretakers or bringing someone in. I suppose it is who is available.

Of the things we know, I think it is fair to say the players responded positively to Shaun and Ben.

I do remember the season we got relegated under Law, did we bring him in when Rodger had won 3 and lost 3 in his 6 game caretaker stint? Or have I imagined that?

Quoted from headingly_mariner

We would struggle to replace him and I'm fearing a Nicky Law situation.

We're in the Nicky Law situation now with David Artell, The only difference is NL was given a 3 month contract. For some reason we gave DA a 32 month contract.

The similarities are remarkable...

We sacked Paul Groves / Paul Hurst.

We put Graham Rodger / Shaun Pearson & Ben Davies in charge as caretaker manager.

GR won 3 & lost 3 out of 6 league matches (1.5 points per game)./ SP & BD won 1 & drew 2 out of 3 league matches (1.67 points per game).

We appointed Nicky Law / David Artell as permanent manager.

Nicky Law managed 11 points from 12 matches (0.917 PPG) / David Artell has achived 10 points from 12 league matches (0.833 PPG)

Nicky Law had goal diffeence of minus 10 from his 12 league matches / David Artell has goal difference of minus 11 from his 12 league matches.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

I'm completely convinced Artell needs to go. The stats only add to the disaster unfolding in front of my eyes.

I'm just not sure whether the answer is a caretakers or bringing someone in. I suppose it is who is available.

Of the things we know, I think it is fair to say the players responded positively to Shaun and Ben.

I do remember the season we got relegated under Law, did we bring him in when Rodger had won 3 and lost 3 in his 6 game caretaker stint? Or have I imagined that?

I’m not one to hit the owners over the head regarding their supposed use of data, but all of the stats on Artell are diabolically bad. How anyone could look at the numbers, on top of what we can see objectively with our eyes, and conclude that sticking with him is the right course of action is beyond me.

This is a difficult moment for the owners, I get that. But failure to take evasive action akin to letting us sleepwalk into far more uncomfortable and damaging times.

Apparently the lights are on at cheapside, so a sacking doesn’t look on. Going to have a drive past and see what’s happening…….

Quoted from GollyGTFC

We're in the Nicky Law situation now with David Artell, The only difference is NL was given a 3 month contract. For some reason we gave DA a 32 month contract.

The similarities are remarkable...

We sacked Paul Groves / Paul Hurst.

We put Graham Rodger / Shaun Pearson & Ben Davies in charge as caretaker manager.

GR won 3 & lost 3 out of 6 league matches (1.5 points per game)./ SP & BD won 1 & drew 2 out of 3 league matches (1.67 points per game).

We appointed Nicky Law / David Artell as permanent manager.

Nicky Law managed 11 points from 12 matches (0.917 PPG) / David Artell has achived 10 points from 12 league matches (0.833 PPG)

Nicky Law had goal diffeence of minus 10 from his 12 league matches / David Artell has goal difference of minus 11 from his 12 league matches.

Football is like politics. Everything has happened before. So much can be learned by studying history. Personally l think bringing in an outsider is the wrong way to go. I think the players/coaches are more likely to respond positively to self healing as a group rather than someone coming in with yet another set of ideas

Quoted from GollyGTFC

We're in the Nicky Law situation now with David Artell, The only difference is NL was given a 3 month contract. For some reason we gave DA a 32 month contract.

The similarities are remarkable...

We sacked Paul Groves / Paul Hurst.

We put Graham Rodger / Shaun Pearson & Ben Davies in charge as caretaker manager.

GR won 3 & lost 3 out of 6 league matches (1.5 points per game)./ SP & BD won 1 & drew 2 out of 3 league matches (1.67 points per game).

We appointed Nicky Law / David Artell as permanent manager.

Nicky Law managed 11 points from 12 matches (0.917 PPG) / David Artell has achived 10 points from 12 league matches (0.833 PPG)

Nicky Law had goal diffeence of minus 10 from his 12 league matches / David Artell has goal difference of minus 11 from his 12 league matches.

Those figures don't lie!  Maybe the answer is back to the caretakers.

I completely agree he's got to go.  

Quoted from Poojah

I’m not one to hit the owners over the head regarding their supposed use of data, but all of the stats on Artell are diabolically bad. How anyone could look at the numbers, on top of what we can see objectively with our eyes, and conclude that sticking with him is the right course of action is beyond me.

This is a difficult moment for the owners, I get that. But failure to take evasive action akin to letting us sleepwalk into far more uncomfortable and damaging times.

We've had data for ages. We even had a data analyst about the first promotion time, but whoever the manager was when he left wanted to do it himself. Most data is collected by a third party that all clubs pay a fee to access. Then we've had the GPS vests since Hurst first time around for internal analysis.

This whole data being shoved down our throats is a massive red herring. Everybody has it, everybody uses it and not everybody gets it right. We're probably spending more on it and getting it more wrong than ever. But it's not new and forward thinking ideas, we were always doing it one way or another.

Quoted from Poojah

I’m not one to hit the owners over the head regarding their supposed use of data, but all of the stats on Artell are diabolically bad. How anyone could look at the numbers, on top of what we can see objectively with our eyes, and conclude that sticking with him is the right course of action is beyond me.

This is a difficult moment for the owners, I get that. But failure to take evasive action akin to letting us sleepwalk into far more uncomfortable and damaging times.

He has to be sacked, there is no doubt. It's quite telling that lots of people who are usually patient want the club to pull the trigger.