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lukeo
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If you just look at the league table and cup progressions you have to be satisfied... points wise we're closer to the play offs than the relegation spot. We're in round 3 of the FA Cup with a winnable home tie. We did OK in the cup that shall not be named..
Putting things into perspective it's actually been an OK season so far. I think the frustration lies with the lack of a striker and the silly goals we've conceded of late.
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Am I right to assume what you are saying is that although the sale of ST's increased the revenue didn't? That the reality of your estimation is that the attendance income is more or less the same as last year despite the increase in attendance.



Based on my original stats, probably about the same revenue. Now that i've realised the flaw in my stats (hadn't factored in ST no-shows not being included in the official attendance), then gate receipts are possibly about 10-15% up, but that is based on very rough mental maths. Either way, with the increased wages for the players that were retained/signed, any fairly modest increase in ticket revenue will have been quickly swallowed up I suspect
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Some rough figures: total attendances are up around 15%, with home support up around 800 supporters per game. This increase is tempered by the vast majority paying £14/£15 per game. We had around 2000 walk ups last year paying full price, this year we average about 400. Last season we had 62% of supporters paying 72% of the entrance fee (season ticket holders) and 38% paying full price (walk ups). This year we have 92% paying 72% of the entrance fee with only 8% paying full price. Away support at Blundell Park has increased by about 130 on average or around 40%

Edit: my stats are shite. With ST no-shows, walk ups are probably closer to 1000 on average per game. So sold seats might be closer to 25% up, not 15%


Sorry, I should have been slightly clearer. Total gates are up around 45% versus our previous, fan attended season in League Two. Roughly 6,600 versus 4,600.

If we assume that the average value per extra ticket per game is £14 (factoring in concessions and STs) it’s about £650k over the course of the league season.

I should think that our overall income, with additional sales of matchday food and drink, club merchandise, advertising revenue, TV money, cup money, transfer fees etc we must be up close to £1.5m on our last completed League Two season, when we reported total revenues of £3.6m, so again close to 40% (possibly over when factoring in director cash injections).

That’s a huge increase in turnover, even accounting for the portion which will have been eaten up by hyper-inflation and servicing those extra matchday income streams.

My underlining point was that, given we are making steady rather than stellar progress on the pitch (compared to previous, pre-Covid League Two campaigns), the requirement of director investment to enable us to break even was surprising. However, as others have suggested, perhaps that’s merely the effect of redressing 20 years of virtual zero investment.

If that is the case, it may be good reason to believe that our relative spending power in terms of the first-team may well increase in seasons to come, as we level-up in that regard. I’ve always considered this season a transitional one, and in that regard we’re doing ok. I think the gains we’re making in terms of infrastructure, talent and club reputation will be profoundly felt next season.


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Sorry, I should have been slightly clearer. Total gates are up around 45% versus our previous, fan attended season in League Two. Roughly 6,600 versus 4,600.

If we assume that the average value per extra ticket per game is £14 (factoring in concessions and STs) it’s about £650k over the course of the league season.

I should think that our overall income, with additional sales of matchday food and drink, club merchandise, advertising revenue, TV money, cup money, transfer fees etc we must be up close to £1.5m on our last completed League Two season, when we reported total revenues of £3.6m, so again close to 40% (possibly over when factoring in director cash injections).

That’s a huge increase in turnover, even accounting for the portion which will have been eaten up by hyper-inflation and servicing those extra matchday income streams.

My underlining point was that, given we are making steady rather than stellar progress on the pitch (compared to previous, pre-Covid League Two campaigns), the requirement of director investment to enable us to break even was surprising. However, as others have suggested, perhaps that’s merely the effect of redressing 20 years of virtual zero investment.

If that is the case, it may be good reason to believe that our relative spending power in terms of the first-team may well increase in seasons to come, as we level-up in that regard. I’ve always considered this season a transitional one, and in that regard we’re doing ok. I think the gains we’re making in terms of infrastructure, talent and club reputation will be profoundly felt next season.


Whichever way you look at it the club is on it's way up, compared to this time last year.



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If you just look at the league table and cup progressions you have to be satisfied... points wise we're closer to the play offs than the relegation spot. We're in round 3 of the FA Cup with a winnable home tie. We did OK in the cup that shall not be named..
Putting things into perspective it's actually been an OK season so far. I think the frustration lies with the lack of a striker and the silly goals we've conceded of late.


Genuinely think the narrative would be completely different if we'd beaten Harrogate and Hartlepool, as we absolutely should have. We'd be 2 points off the playoffs with a game in hand there. The idea that we'd be 16th in L2 with a 3rd Round FA Cup draw on the horizon would have had most of us wet our knickers this time last year. I saw on Twitter that someone had put a table of the NL on NYD last year up and we were 10th and 6 points off the playoffs. It really has been a remarkable year.


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Genuinely think the narrative would be completely different if we'd beaten Harrogate and Hartlepool, as we absolutely should have. We'd be 2 points off the playoffs with a game in hand there. The idea that we'd be 16th in L2 with a 3rd Round FA Cup draw on the horizon would have had most of us wet our knickers this time last year. I saw on Twitter that someone had put a table of the NL on NYD last year up and we were 10th and 6 points off the playoffs. It really has been a remarkable year.


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We’re making steady, not rapid progress and that’s fine with me. Naturally, of late, some results have been poor but we have to look at the whole club and see where we’ve come from.

We had three of the most bonkers results in the space of a fortnight last season, a fortnight not a single town fan expected or even predicted.

We had a great start this year and barring some iffy results, the team and club is moving forward. With significant investment having to be made by the owners it again highlights just how little investment, and I mean time, effort, ideas as well as monetary, was made over the previous 20 years…


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We’re making steady, not rapid progress and that’s fine with me. Naturally, of late, some results have been poor but we have to look at the whole club and see where we’ve come from.

We had three of the most bonkers results in the space of a fortnight last season, a fortnight not a single town fan expected or even predicted.

We had a great start this year and barring some iffy results, the team and club is moving forward. With significant investment having to be made by the owners it again highlights just how little investment, and I mean time, effort, ideas as well as monetary, was made over the previous 20 years…


Agree. Plus the owners know what they’re doing. They’re articulate, skilled, pragmatic, collaborative.
The last custodian was the opposite of all those.


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A consolidation season.... with a whole load of badly needed infrastructure being done, or planned, to make next season a more professional outlook.

One pariah removed, some dead wood replaced, a couple of long servers deciding now is safe to move on or retire, movement towards more professional training facilities, some needed ground and facility improvements long overdue.

All round better than the start of last season.

Do the fans want more ? Of course !!

But is it not better to be patient, and let a professional backroom team be in place, and make improvements step by step, ones which will stay, not evaporate?
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