Derby Sack Manager, Rotherham Gaffer favourite....

should the millers manager go to Derby which is rumoured, would they come a knocking for Paul? he wouldnt turn them down understandably

The Rotherham job has always been the one that makes me nervous. Some question marks I'm sure remain over his time at Ipswich, but Hust is the club record appearance holder having been a senior player there for a decade and a half and effectively their version of John McDermott, only with a far more impressive career in coaching and management.

He'd be amongst the top of the odds I'm sure, and you'd think they'd at least be interested in interviewing him. Would they want to replace one club legend in Paul Warne with another? He's done alright for them, hasn't he?

I very much hope Derby go elsewhere for their next boss. And not here, obviously.

Would expect he’ll be on their shortlist. Having said that, his stint at Ipswich could put them off, hopefully.

Seems that rumours of Warne’s departure from Rotherham began before news of Rosenior’s ‘demotion’ broke. Sky and Talksport reporting it. Clearly something in it.

https://boards.footymad.net/showthread.php?t=38295760

I'm sure Doigy will let us know, if he hears anything

Hurst has just signed some sort o& new contract, so hopefully Rotherham can have him if they pay the £2 million release clause.

On the other hand, Hurst has just signed a new contract here. He likes the set-up and the freedom the owners give him and next season we could be playing Rotherham in League 1. I wouldn't say he's got a job for life here but his tenure is pretty secure, especially when he was backed by the owners during that bad spell last season.

I don't think he'll move as project ( don't like the word) Grimsby Town is thrusting forward in all directions, both on and off the field. He will want to continue to be part of the success story of the Mariners.

Is there a release clause Gaffer58?  Hopefully there is and get some compo for his achievements.

I worked with a bloke who played for Rotherham for years, he describes Hurst as an absolute legend there. As someone said, he’s their version of Macca.

You’d imagine given our start that Hurst would be on most clubs radars in league 1 and 2. His time at Ipswich probably won’t affect his reputation given everyone outside the game knows that at that time Ipswich were a basket case club so that view certainly existed in the game.

I think Hurst is in a different place now as are GTFC so you’d imagine it would take a little more effort and cash than before. We’ve also got owners that have a vision and Hurst is part of that.

There’s also the argument that Hurst might not want to go there so as not to tarnish any sort of reputation…

Agree with all the above about the security of his job, the positivity around what he’s doing here and the very sound place he appears to be in mentally.

However, IF and it’s still remains a big if, Rotherham came for him I don’t see a scenario where he wouldn’t go. The top job at a club where he is already a legend, 10 mins from his house, a 4-6x multiplier of his salary on a long-term contract, and a small but not completely unrealistic chance of getting to the Premier League. If he’s not already, he’d be set for life.

If Rotherham want him, he’ll go, along with Doig and probably the rest of the back room team (as just happened to Brighton, and is now happening to Rotherham). I would be absolutely gutted in that scenario, but I couldn’t begrudge him in the slightest.

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Agree with all the above about the security of his job, the positivity around what he’s doing here and the very sound place he appears to be in mentally.

However, IF and it’s still remains a big if, Rotherham came for him I don’t see a scenario where he wouldn’t go. The top job at a club where he is already a legend, 10 mins from his house, a 4-6x multiplier of his salary on a long-term contract, and a small but not completely unrealistic chance of getting to the Premier League. If he’s not already, he’d be set for life.

If Rotherham want him, he’ll go, along with Doig and probably the rest of the back room team (as just happened to Brighton, and is now happening to Rotherham). I would be absolutely gutted in that scenario, but I couldn’t begrudge him in the slightest.

Doig has said he wants a go at management. If PH left, he may try for the manager's job himself.

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Agree with all the above about the security of his job, the positivity around what he’s doing here and the very sound place he appears to be in mentally.

However, IF and it’s still remains a big if, Rotherham came for him I don’t see a scenario where he wouldn’t go. The top job at a club where he is already a legend, 10 mins from his house, a 4-6x multiplier of his salary on a long-term contract, and a small but not completely unrealistic chance of getting to the Premier League. If he’s not already, he’d be set for life.

If Rotherham want him, he’ll go, along with Doig and probably the rest of the back room team (as just happened to Brighton, and is now happening to Rotherham). I would be absolutely gutted in that scenario, but I couldn’t begrudge him in the slightest.

This, and I’m now officially worried.

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Doig has said he wants a go at management. If PH left, he may try for the manager's job himself.

Very good point

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Doig has said he wants a go at management. If PH left, he may try for the manager's job himself.

Doig is certainly the most vocal of our management team during games

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Doig is certainly the most vocal of our management team during games

Quiet so, but it's Hurst that makes the decisions.

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Agree with all the above about the security of his job, the positivity around what he’s doing here and the very sound place he appears to be in mentally.

However, IF and it’s still remains a big if, Rotherham came for him I don’t see a scenario where he wouldn’t go. The top job at a club where he is already a legend, 10 mins from his house, a 4-6x multiplier of his salary on a long-term contract, and a small but not completely unrealistic chance of getting to the Premier League. If he’s not already, he’d be set for life.

If Rotherham want him, he’ll go, along with Doig and probably the rest of the back room team (as just happened to Brighton, and is now happening to Rotherham). I would be absolutely gutted in that scenario, but I couldn’t begrudge him in the slightest.

This is all very depressing, so how about an alternative to Hurst - Scott Parker? Any other suggestions who The Millers might show an interest in, anybody but Hurst.

IF Rotherham came calling IMO he would be mad not to seriously consider it -  still lives in the area so no more commuting, at a club he  is vastly respected at and which is currently mid table 2 leagues higher than us, decent ground and presumably would be on considerably more money than here.
Hopefully though the fact that Rotherham would have to pay us compo, would be enough to make them look elsewhere and maybe his Ipswich problems would also have an effect on their decision.
There is alot to happen before we have to worry though.

This is worrying

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IF Rotherham came calling IMO he would be mad not to seriously consider it -  still lives in the area so no more commuting, at a club he  is vastly respected at and which is currently mid table 2 leagues higher than us, decent ground and presumably would be on considerably more money than here.
Hopefully though the fact that Rotherham would have to pay us compo, would be enough to make them look elsewhere and maybe his Ipswich problems would also have an effect on their decision.
There is alot to happen before we have to worry though.

Day1 We have a target and we have made contact
Day2 Our approach has been rebuffed
Day3 Our new offer has been accepted and our new manager is????

3 days is a short time and I'm worried.

Would also be high risk for him given Rotherham’s propensity to follow promotion to championship by relegation and the fact that they are not really a championship club. Also he has no track record of success in r the Championship   No sentiment in the championship not sure his playing record with them ending 15 years ago is much of a criteria for a job there now.. I  am not as convinced as others this is a big threat.
If I am wrong and he left us again woukd we have him back a third time?.

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Would also be high risk for him given Rotherham’s propensity to follow promotion to championship by relegation and the fact that they are not really a championship club. Also he has no track record of success in r the Championship   No sentiment in the championship not sure his playing record with them ending 15 years ago is much of a criteria for a job there now.. I  am not as convinced as others this is a big threat.
If I am wrong and he left us again woukd we have him back a third time?.

Their Chairman - Tony Stewart - has generally been loyal to managers when they yo-yo between Championship and L1.

Although any potential manager would have to consider that Stewart is (allegedly) a very heavy, cigar-smoking 77 year old widower. I doubt the succession plan will be as seamless as Liz to Charlie when the Cohiba catches up with him.

I'm not as worried as others by this. If they were in league 1 I'd be concerned, but I'm struggling to think of a manager who's made the jump from league 2 to championship in recent times (I'm probably missing someone).

would  a team mid table in the Championship need to go for the manager of  a team mid table in league 2?

I'm sure there would be a lot higher profile managers and/or managers with more championship experience before they got to PH (fingers crossed!)

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would  a team mid table in the Championship need to go for the manager of  a team mid table in league 2?

I'm sure there would be a lot higher profile managers and/or managers with more championship experience before they got to PH (fingers crossed!)

I would imagine Mrs Hurst would appreciate her husband working closer to home.

Hurst's new contract is not to keep him here longer it is to compensate us and him better when he does leave.

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This is all very depressing, so how about an alternative to Hurst - Scott Parker? Any other suggestions who The Millers might show an interest in, anybody but Hurst.

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, we have absolutely no idea whether they might fancy Hurst or not. They might do, they might not.

As much as we understandably rate the guy here, you can put an entirely different slant on his managerial career armed only with facts, if you want to.

For instance, his only tangible managerial success has been in non-league. The first time around it took six attempts to get consistently one of the biggest clubs in the division promoted, and whilst he managed it first time around last season, this came after overseeing a dismal relegation from the EFL (taking over as manager half way through the season with the club above the relegation zone, eventually finishing 92nd out of 92). Oh, and a sizeable minority of fans wanted him sacked part way through the season after overseeing the club’s worst ever non-league run.

Even now, Grimsby are only 8th in League Two. Is that worthy of a job at a club precisely two divisions higher?

His one previous attempt at managing in the Championship was an abject failure. Sacked after 15 games, winning just 1 - a win ratio of 6.7%, the poorest in Ipswich’s history. Ipswich would go on to be relegated and have yet to return some three season’s later.

From there he went to Scunny, where he was sacked again. So he’s been sacked in his last two ‘completed’ stints as manager, and was realistically close to being sacked during his current tenure here.

Now, this is obviously not my own take on Hurst; clearly it’s lacking a whole heap of context, but it is nevertheless an entirely factual account of his career to date. There is an element of trying to appease fans when clubs appoint a manager, and I have no doubt that some of the above would instil some concern amongst Rotherham fans.

That’s something the Rotherham board would have to consider. And here’s something else; if he wasn’t a club legend as a player no one would even be having this conversation. They’ll have to ask themselves whether that’s a good basis on which to appoint a manager. I would argue it is not, albeit it did them no harm when they appointed Paul Warne.

I’ve given this a fair bit of thought in the last couple of hours. If Rotherham want Hurst, he’ll be gone, no question about it whatsoever. He can’t not.

But, this is my gut feel, there are enough blemishes on Hurst’s CV and not enough actual success in the football league to make Rotherham sufficiently wary. Let’s not forget, this is a precarious time for them too. I think they’ll look elsewhere, at someone with more experience higher up the pyramid. Gareth Ainsworth, off the top of my head, would probably look a safer bet on paper. Ian Evatt at Bolton, too.

So that’s me. I don’t think they’ll come after him. Not at this time. I might be wrong, who knows, but I’ll try not to lose too much sleep just yet.

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Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, we have absolutely no idea whether they might fancy Hurst or not. They might do, they might not.

As much as we understandably rate the guy here, you can put an entirely different slant on his managerial career armed only with facts, if you want to.

For instance, his only tangible managerial success has been in non-league. The first time around it took six attempts to get consistently one of the biggest clubs in the division promoted, and whilst he managed it first time around last season, this came after overseeing a dismal relegation from the EFL (taking over as manager half way through the season with the club above the relegation zone, eventually finishing 92nd out of 92). Oh, and a sizeable minority of fans wanted him sacked part way through the season after overseeing the club’s worst ever non-league run.

Even now, Grimsby are only 8th in League Two. Is that worthy of a job at a club precisely two divisions higher?

His one previous attempt at managing in the Championship was an abject failure. Sacked after 15 games, winning just 1 - a win ratio of 6.7%, the poorest in Ipswich’s history. Ipswich would go on to be relegated and have yet to return some three season’s later.

From there he went to Scunny, where he was sacked again. So he’s been sacked in his last two ‘completed’ stints as manager, and was realistically close to being sacked during his current tenure here.

Now, this is obviously not my own take on Hurst; clearly it’s lacking a whole heap of context, but it is nevertheless an entirely factual account of his career to date. There is an element of trying to appease fans when clubs appoint a manager, and I have no doubt that some of the above would instil some concern amongst Rotherham fans.

That’s something the Rotherham board would have to consider. And here’s something else; if he wasn’t a club legend as a player no one would even be having this conversation. They’ll have to ask themselves whether that’s a good basis on which to appoint a manager. I would argue it is not, albeit it did then no harm when they appointed Paul Warne.

I’ve given this a fair bit of thought in the last couple of hours. If Rotherham want Hurst, he’ll be gone, no question about it whatsoever. He can’t not.

But, this is my gut feel, there are enough blemishes on Hurst’s CV and not enough actual success in the football league to make Rotherham sufficiently wary. Let’s not forget, this is a precarious time for them too. I think they’ll look elsewhere, at someone with more experience higher up the pyramid. Gareth Ainsworth, off the top of my head, would probably look a safer bet on paper. Ian Evatt at Bolton, too.

So that’s me. I don’t think they’ll come after him. Not at this time. I might be wrong, who knows, but I’ll try not to lose too much sleep just yet.

Excellent post poojah and I agree that if they call he'll go, no doubt, but I think it's a lot more likely they won't call than they will.

I must admit this very scenario has worried me ever since I listened to the podcast about the Rotherham and Oxford managers. Wearne seems very down to earth and so does the Rotherham chairman and so does Hurst, he just might think its a match.

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Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, we have absolutely no idea whether they might fancy Hurst or not. They might do, they might not.

As much as we understandably rate the guy here, you can put an entirely different slant on his managerial career armed only with facts, if you want to.

For instance, his only tangible managerial success has been in non-league. The first time around it took six attempts to get consistently one of the biggest clubs in the division promoted, and whilst he managed it first time around last season, this came after overseeing a dismal relegation from the EFL (taking over as manager half way through the season with the club above the relegation zone, eventually finishing 92nd out of 92). Oh, and a sizeable minority of fans wanted him sacked part way through the season after overseeing the club’s worst ever non-league run.

Even now, Grimsby are only 8th in League Two. Is that worthy of a job at a club precisely two divisions higher?

His one previous attempt at managing in the Championship was an abject failure. Sacked after 15 games, winning just 1 - a win ratio of 6.7%, the poorest in Ipswich’s history. Ipswich would go on to be relegated and have yet to return some three season’s later.

From there he went to Scunny, where he was sacked again. So he’s been sacked in his last two ‘completed’ stints as manager, and was realistically close to being sacked during his current tenure here.

Now, this is obviously not my own take on Hurst; clearly it’s lacking a whole heap of context, but it is nevertheless an entirely factual account of his career to date. There is an element of trying to appease fans when clubs appoint a manager, and I have no doubt that some of the above would instil some concern amongst Rotherham fans.

That’s something the Rotherham board would have to consider. And here’s something else; if he wasn’t a club legend as a player no one would even be having this conversation. They’ll have to ask themselves whether that’s a good basis on which to appoint a manager. I would argue it is not, albeit it did them no harm when they appointed Paul Warne.

I’ve given this a fair bit of thought in the last couple of hours. If Rotherham want Hurst, he’ll be gone, no question about it whatsoever. He can’t not.

But, this is my gut feel, there are enough blemishes on Hurst’s CV and not enough actual success in the football league to make Rotherham sufficiently wary. Let’s not forget, this is a precarious time for them too. I think they’ll look elsewhere, at someone with more experience higher up the pyramid. Gareth Ainsworth, off the top of my head, would probably look a safer bet on paper. Ian Evatt at Bolton, too.

So that’s me. I don’t think they’ll come after him. Not at this time. I might be wrong, who knows, but I’ll try not to lose too much sleep just yet.

Have you finished playing good cop, bad cop?  

My thoughts remain as they always do in these situations, in that I won't lose any sleep over it. Players come and go, as do managers. While they are here, they get my support and when they move on, they are no longer of interest.

Saying that, he's got a good gig here and he would need to think long and hard about going elsewhere, given what has transpired with previous jobs. That's even if this has any legs.

Isn’t Rob Scott head of recruitment at Rotherham? Would they really want to be working with each other again?

I’d like to think Hurst would stay and rebuff any approach. He has the set up he has always wanted here, the board have backed him in the transfer market and was backed by the board during the bad run we had last season when other clubs would have made a change.

Might be missing something here…. And the deal appears to be done.

But why is Warne going to Derby? Is their new owner worth a few quid?

Rotherham flirting with play offs in Championship. Derby (albeit a bigger club) the division below and no guarantee of promotion in a very competitive league.

If Rotherham decide they want him and if he goes then I'm sure we'll have done what we can to keep him. He's got a new contract, much improved infrastructure and supportive owners. And those things are why I'd be sorry to see him go but confident we'd recruit well to replace him.

Let’s get one thing straight, if Rotherham come calling he’ll be gone faster than you can say keep us shape. The question is would Rotherham want him? It’s something of a risk on a number of levels. It’s a big jump, and despite their good start you’d still expect Rotherham to have overachieved to stay up. He’s completely unproven at that level, 15 games at that basket case that was Ipswich can’t be read into. He’s an absolute legend there and appointing him risks tarnishing that legacy, who’d want to kill that mystique?

The big difference now is that we are not a basket case of a club! I think, given the backing the custodians are giving, that we would get a far better selection of candidates than we’ve ever had and (whisper quietly) may even be able to approach clubs

As others have commented,  the Club is in a strong position now across the board and moving forward at a good pace.   It has a much better reputation than in recent years.

If it came to it, the Club can absorb the loss of a very good manager.  

Scott and Hurst Mark 2.

Is that realistic after the last joint debacle?

The rumour mill says Gareth Ainsworth to Millers.

Hurst gets repeated mentions on the Rovrum forum but I think it’s this kind of sentiment, right or wrong, that would put off most Championship suitors.

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Hurst also has a bad record in yhe championship with ipswhich.

Did he even last a season.

So if we need promotion from league 2 or the conference he is our man

https://boards.footymad.net/showthread.php?t=38295780

Poojah's response (as usual) is spot on.

i think the mention of Ainsworth makes far more sense. He will be ambitious and can't take Wickscum very much further. Rotherham are at least 3 times the size and he'd have a realistic chance of making them a competitive Championship side. Sign the right contract and you're made for life

Rotherham won't take a punt on a past hero . They will now want a manager who is proven in the championship imo

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Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, we have absolutely no idea whether they might fancy Hurst or not. They might do, they might not.

As much as we understandably rate the guy here, you can put an entirely different slant on his managerial career armed only with facts, if you want to.

For instance, his only tangible managerial success has been in non-league. The first time around it took six attempts to get consistently one of the biggest clubs in the division promoted, and whilst he managed it first time around last season, this came after overseeing a dismal relegation from the EFL (taking over as manager half way through the season with the club above the relegation zone, eventually finishing 92nd out of 92). Oh, and a sizeable minority of fans wanted him sacked part way through the season after overseeing the club’s worst ever non-league run.

Even now, Grimsby are only 8th in League Two. Is that worthy of a job at a club precisely two divisions higher?

His one previous attempt at managing in the Championship was an abject failure. Sacked after 15 games, winning just 1 - a win ratio of 6.7%, the poorest in Ipswich’s history. Ipswich would go on to be relegated and have yet to return some three season’s later.

From there he went to Scunny, where he was sacked again. So he’s been sacked in his last two ‘completed’ stints as manager, and was realistically close to being sacked during his current tenure here.

Now, this is obviously not my own take on Hurst; clearly it’s lacking a whole heap of context, but it is nevertheless an entirely factual account of his career to date. There is an element of trying to appease fans when clubs appoint a manager, and I have no doubt that some of the above would instil some concern amongst Rotherham fans.

That’s something the Rotherham board would have to consider. And here’s something else; if he wasn’t a club legend as a player no one would even be having this conversation. They’ll have to ask themselves whether that’s a good basis on which to appoint a manager. I would argue it is not, albeit it did them no harm when they appointed Paul Warne.

I’ve given this a fair bit of thought in the last couple of hours. If Rotherham want Hurst, he’ll be gone, no question about it whatsoever. He can’t not.

But, this is my gut feel, there are enough blemishes on Hurst’s CV and not enough actual success in the football league to make Rotherham sufficiently wary. Let’s not forget, this is a precarious time for them too. I think they’ll look elsewhere, at someone with more experience higher up the pyramid. Gareth Ainsworth, off the top of my head, would probably look a safer bet on paper. Ian Evatt at Bolton, too.

So that’s me. I don’t think they’ll come after him. Not at this time. I might be wrong, who knows, but I’ll try not to lose too much sleep just yet.

Haven’t you missed probably his most successful job at Shrewsbury, the reason he got the job at Ipswich?  I’d be looking at Hurst if I were at Rotherham and could see why Hurst would go.  
I’d be gutted if he left, I think he’s a brilliant manager but as others have said we at least have a good set up now to support a new manager now if it happens.

I don't think we need to be worrying just yet as I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Hurst will be approached, they may want somebody with a better track record, not for a minute am I saying Hurst record is poor, but this time last year after a very poor spell at Ipswich, average spell at Scunny and a very poor win ratio with us in our relegation season Hurst's stock was quite low, I do accept he can't be blamed entirely for all that but the stat's still remain the same regardless who is to blame. Hurst stock is certainly higher now than it was but is it higher than when he left Shrewsbury? No I don't think so as he left Shrewsbury after making the league 1 play off final.

Hurst is a great manager but I think Rotheram will at this time will look elsewhere for the reasons I mentioned above

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Haven’t you missed probably his most successful job at Shrewsbury, the reason he got the job at Ipswich?  I’d be looking at Hurst if I were at Rotherham and could see why Hurst would go.  
I’d be gutted if he left, I think he’s a brilliant manager but as others have said we at least have a good set up now to support a new manager now if it happens.

Purposely, yes. I was giving you the kind of skewed perspective that fans can take when they don’t like something and try to find the negative. Sticking in that vein, for “probably his most successful job” he still left them in the division in which he found them. Nothing tangible was achieved.

There are certainly some aspects of Hurst’s career that would make a Championship club with faint Premier League aspirations nervous in my opinion. Is that wishful thinking on my part? I don’t know, I’m trying to be as objective as possible.

We're in the exact same position as we were when he last left us, it's almost like it's written...

That's the reality of being a lower league club, isn't it? We're low in the food chain. The good news is that Rotherham tend to stick with their managers for a while, so if they don't go for Hurst this time they shouldn't be bothering us again.

I hope Hurst stays and gets us into League One in the next 2/3 years, which is what most fans see as our natural position in the pyramid. He will then have completed the turnaround of the club and can then have another crack at a Championship job. Here's hoping.

Ainsworth quashed the rumours linking him with the job in today’s presser.

Pooja says I'd like to be as objective possible.


So do I
If Rotherham want him as their manager, you would not see his bottom for dust, lives there, no daily commute, higher in league status and home town hero in the making.
To think he would not go is extremely naive and silly

So if PH does leave and i wouldn't begrudge him if he does, atleast with a new contract signed we'll get some form of compensation, but lets assume he has gone, i have no idea who i'd want next.

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So if PH does leave and i wouldn't begrudge him if he does, atleast with a new contract signed we'll get some form of compensation, but lets assume he has gone, i have no idea who i'd want next.

And that is the problem. Does JS & AP have a plan B?

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And that is the problem. Does JS & AP have a plan B?

I'd like Grovesy to be given another chance but might be a bit risky to some.  I'd prefer PH to stay though.

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And that is the problem. Does JS & AP have a plan B?

I'd be shocked if JS and AP don't have a Plan B, C and D already. Maybe a good question to ask on the podcast tonight? Safe to say if Hursty does go, we wouldn't be shopping at Lidl anymore (in managerial terms) and we'd be in a position to approach some top non league managers like Ardley or Garrard.

Let’s go easy on the talk of new managers. The king ain’t dead yet (and in all likelihood, ain’t dying anytime soon).

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I'd be shocked if JS and AP don't have a Plan B, C and D already.  

Same.

On paper Warne leaving a Championship club for one in a bit of a rebuild in League One is a shock but after listening to the Moment of Truth podcast you could almost see that he was itching to try something new.  At various points he questioned how far he could take Rotherham, even prior to their promotion last season.  He often pondered about their yo-yo status and I think he recognised the natural ceiling that Rotherham have.

At Derby he may recognise that it might be a step back but the potential is far greater and realistically should be looking at a club with ambitions of returning to the upper reaches of the Championship with intent to get back into the Premier League.

Can't for the life of me think Hurst won't be on their radar.  If for nothing else he's known to them, that alone will get him so far through the door.  Fair enough his record at the level Rotherham are operating at is debatable, but objectively the two blots on his copybook have come at basket case clubs.  It's no secret he was expected to do a hatchet job on the playing budget at Ipswich and there wasn't a manger in the world who would have had success there.  At Scunthorpe they've actually regressed dramatically since his departure.  Sacked, yes.  But scratch the surface ever so slightly and you see an owner who doesn't have a clue how to run a football club and is running it into the ground.  That blot is easily written off.

The Rotherham fans will take the Warne departure to heart.  It depends how their chairman wants to respond. He'll want to bring a feel-good back to the club and bringing in a modern day legend could be a way of doing that.  

I am worried.  Hurst has been the consistent in our successes of the last decade.  We've got promoted twice because of him more than anyone else.  He's built and rebuilt the footballing side of this club to its strongest position in over two decades.  Without doubt 1878 will have contingency plans in place, but I'm still worried.

I do think we have a different view of PH than the outside world does. We absolutely see his value as we know all of the context around what he has done here. Outsiders do not have that context and as such will in all likelihood be put off from an approach just yet. I’d say that this time round it’s too soon for Rotherham to take a punt, then next time they change their manager it could we’ll be a different story and they’d come knocking. Thing is though then, where might our respective clubs be sitting in the food chain?

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On paper Warne leaving a Championship club for one in a bit of a rebuild in League One is a shock but after listening to the Moment of Truth podcast you could almost see that he was itching to try something new.  At various points he questioned how far he could take Rotherham, even prior to their promotion last season.  He often pondered about their yo-yo status and I think he recognised the natural ceiling that Rotherham have.

At Derby he may recognise that it might be a step back but the potential is far greater and realistically should be looking at a club with ambitions of returning to the upper reaches of the Championship with intent to get back into the Premier League.

Can't for the life of me think Hurst won't be on their radar.  If for nothing else he's known to them, that alone will get him so far through the door.  Fair enough his record at the level Rotherham are operating at is debatable, but objectively the two blots on his copybook have come at basket case clubs.  It's no secret he was expected to do a hatchet job on the playing budget at Ipswich and there wasn't a manger in the world who would have had success there.  At Scunthorpe they've actually regressed dramatically since his departure.  Sacked, yes.  But scratch the surface ever so slightly and you see an owner who doesn't have a clue how to run a football club and is running it into the ground.  That blot is easily written off.

The Rotherham fans will take the Warne departure to heart.  It depends how their chairman wants to respond. He'll want to bring a feel-good back to the club and bringing in a modern day legend could be a way of doing that.  

I am worried.  Hurst has been the consistent in our successes of the last decade.  We've got promoted twice because of him more than anyone else.  He's built and rebuilt the footballing side of this club to its strongest position in over two decades.  Without doubt 1878 will have contingency plans in place, but I'm still worried.

It would be interesting to know what kind of deterrent was placed in Hurst’s and Doig’s freshly signed contracts. If there is a sizeable buyout clause in there that may in itself dissuade Rotherham when there are other, arguably more proven at that level managers available.

Rotherham fans seem to be thinking more in terms of the likes of Mark Warburton (whose Championship record is remarkably solid), Carlos Corberan (fresh from his stint at Olympiakos) and even Neil Warnock (who had a successful stint there a few years ago).

It’s a difficult one because you can quite easily create a positive or negative narrative on Hurst just by adding or removing little bits of context. My gut feel is just that I don’t think he will quite have the Championship chops Rotherham are looking for.

I really hope I’m right.

Thoughts on Hurst’s career so far:

Pre-Grimsby - good

10-16 Grimsby - good again. Made the play-offs 4 seasons running with quite poor backing. You’re in the lap of the gods in the play-offs and we finally (thankfully) made it up.

Shrewsbury - outstanding. From the bottom to promotion chasers and a cup final in 1 and a half years.

Ipswich - poor. I can see why he got a shot there and I’ve ranked it as poor but tbf he wasn’t given time to turn things around either.

Scunthorpe - poor. Massive caveat however that the club was screwed so his hands were probably tied.

Grimsby 19/20 - present - outstanding.

I think he may have a little bit to do to repair his reputation for Championship suitors just yet however I wouldn’t be surprised if Rotherham sounded him out either. The Scott thing might go against him too although maybe they could go for Hurst and remove Scott? It could also be possible that they work together together again.

I am gonna stick my neck out and say nothing to worry about just yet. If we continue as we are and Warne’s replacement doesn’t work out, then I think we should be concerned.

Hurst perhaps has more highs and lows than many managers.  Starting with Boston United.

Credit where credit is due.  At Shrewsbury though what he achieved was exceptional, and in quick time.  He took Shrewsbury (a small club for Division One) from bottom of the league to top of the league in 18 months.

Even with a small squad Shrewsbury should still probably have got automatic promotion that season.  However, there were too many cup games and distractions towards the end of the season and they
Ultimately just well short.

His Ipswich role wouldn't have surprised me if they had a director of football and PH wasn't fully in control like he was at Shrewsbury and Town.  Similar to the Cowleys were they failed at Huddersfield (and again maybe because of a director of football).  

Talksport EFL correspondent reporting that Warne is to be announced at Derby “imminently”. At least there should be some certainty on that aspect sooner rather than later.

Some rumblings that assistant Richie Barker may remain as interim boss to have a crack at a permanent opportunity, rather than following Warne to Derby. That could mean the saga drags on for some time.

Quoted from Poojah

Some rumblings that assistant Richie Barker may remain as interim boss to have a crack at a permanent opportunity, rather than following Warne to Derby. That could mean the saga drags on for some time.

Let's hope he does well!

Quoted from Poojah

Talksport EFL correspondent reporting that Warne is to be announced at Derby “imminently”. At least there should be some certainty on that aspect sooner rather than later.

Some rumblings that assistant Richie Barker may remain as interim boss to have a crack at a permanent opportunity, rather than following Warne to Derby. That could mean the saga drags on for some time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62986369

Quoted from Meza

I'd like Grovesy to be given another chance but might be a bit risky to some.  I'd prefer PH to stay though.

Hasn't he recently been sacked by Gloucester? not done great at all.

I hope PH sees the long-term project and stays, and i think we might well have a chance of that happening!

I've been thinking about this a fair bit this morning...
Would Hurst want the gig?...
Yes, he did well at the shrews yet the fan base never took to him, he failed at Ipswich and Scunny, again never got the fan base onside.
Came back here, to a fan base that held the "ear cupping" against him, managed to turn what can only be described a floundering oil tanker around and got the love of the fans back...
Would he risk going to Rotherham, where he's got legendary status, to see himself potentially fall flat on his face, see his stock as a manger fall through the floor and his adoration of the fans vanish?....
It's all about opinions but right now, I'm not sure he'd be interested.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

I've been thinking about this a fair bit this morning...
Would Hurst want the gig?...
Yes, he did well at the shrews yet the fan base never took to him, he failed at Ipswich and Scunny, again never got the fan base onside.
Came back here, to a fan base that held the "ear cupping" against him, managed to turn what can only be described a floundering oil tanker around and got the love of the fans back...
Would he risk going to Rotherham, where he's got legendary status, to see himself potentially fall flat on his face, see his stock as a manger fall through the floor and his adoration of the fans vanish?....
It's all about opinions but right now, I'm not sure he'd be interested.

shrews fans took to him mate, they just wernt happy with the way he departed

Official Fishy Meltdown© status imminent.

Quoted from tanga_the_indestructible

The rumour mill says Gareth Ainsworth to Millers.

That would be a good appointment for them as he’s a good manager and a top bloke, it would be an absolutely brilliant appointment for us as it closes off the vacancy with someone who has a reputation for stability & longevity.

Lots of really good posts above. Clearly Rotherham is in Paul’s heart and from the outside it looks like a decent club with good ownership. If the opportunity came his way then I’d be in the camp if wishing him all the best and thanks for putting us in better shape on and off the field, managers and players move around that’s how football works.

Some things for me ….

- He is invested in GTFC, maybe not to the level of Rotherham but I guess to a level that would mean a move would be well thought out, as ever.

- He is 100% backed and left alone to get on with it by JS/AP and DC.

- Also we had a really bad run last season and lesser owners (as we’ve seen down the M180) would have pulled the trigger, Hurst strikes me as someone who does not forget loyalty and the importance of unity.

- What can he realistically achieve at Rotherham? In theory they “could” get up into the Prem but it’s more likely any manager would spend more time looking at what’s going on below them in the table rather than above.

- What could he achieve at Town? League 1 is possible and quite quickly, going higher may take some building but he’d be the one building it, his way from bottom up.

- I’d be amazed if he’d work with Scott again in any capacity, so if he did go shouty would need to get his CV out there quickly.

- The final thing is why the f**k would the manager of Rotherham leave to go to Derby, sodomist club on paper but one that has been a basket case for years.

Like I say when PH leaves Town as he inevitably will I’ll wish him luck

Oh yeah one final thing, when we do require a new manager I’d be 100% confident that our owners would bring in the best they could, unlike previous “custodians” as they know you get what you pay for and they’ll be savvy enough to do their homework & due diligence.

I don’t want to see a change but this club is in the safest hands it’s been in this millennium to manage a change if it was required.

Rotherham fan with zero #ITK credentials reckons Hurst doesn't want it. Good enough for me.

https://twitter.com/corden_blur88/status/1572878602471112704?t=w4WbY5NPlbEcHilmvcusSw&s=19

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

I do think we have a different view of PH than the outside world does. We absolutely see his value as we know all of the context around what he has done here. Outsiders do not have that context and as such will in all likelihood be put off from an approach just yet. I’d say that this time round it’s too soon for Rotherham to take a punt, then next time they change their manager it could we’ll be a different story and they’d come knocking. Thing is though then, where might our respective clubs be sitting in the food chain?

Sensible post this, not all clubs have Town levels of romamtasism about former players . He left Rotherham 14 years ago.

Quoted from MarinerDevil

Rotherham fan with zero #ITK credentials reckons Hurst doesn't want it. Good enough for me.

https://twitter.com/corden_blur88/status/1572878602471112704?t=w4WbY5NPlbEcHilmvcusSw&s=19

That would be quite something if so.

We couldn’t begrudge Hurst if he did take it anyway … he owes us noting and we owe him nothing … how employment goes …  he should do what is best for him

Fast forward to Saturday afternoon, if we go a couple of goals down half of those currently doing great impressions of drama queens will want him sacked.

he might or might not be ITK , but he called this one 2 months ago!
https://twitter.com/corden_blur88/status/1548402729688518658

interesting comments about the chairman - PH will no doubt know the whole picture of the state of the club. If the chairman is abit difficult to work with (& there's the problem of Scott being there) then staying where he is might not be a bad option

Warne to Derby confirmed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/dcf.....Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Bit rough on Rosenoir getting the sack after inheriting a basket case squad and getting them to the fringes of the playoffs. I wonder if Derby are about to go gung ho in financial terms again. It went so well for them last time.

I would be gutted to see Hurst go. He clearly has a great reputation among Rotherham fans but on the other hand they are a club on the fringes of the Championship playoffs and presumably have aspirations to get into the Premier league. Would they really look to appoint a manager with little championship experience, all of it bad?

Yes he has performed brilliantly in the lower leagues but I would imagine Rotherham would want a more experienced championship manager right now,

As it happens I know of one guy that is currently available.  He has guided two clubs into the prem. He lives in Bristol but will no doubt sell his house and move in order to create a legacy up north.

[tweet]1572926617793568768[/tweet]

Coaching team have followed Warne to Pride Park, so it will be an external appointment at Rotherham by the looks of things.

Quoted from RonMariner

Bit rough on Rosenoir getting the sack after inheriting a basket case squad and getting them to the fringes of the playoffs. I wonder if Derby are about to go gung ho in financial terms again. It went so well for them last time.

They signed Conor Hourihane, David McGoldrick and James Chester on the same day last summer so they're already going gung ho in financial terms. League One is very competitive at the top, you've only got to look at how long it took Sunderland to get out of it to see that chucking money at it doesn't always work. I can see why Warne would leave, but he's gone to one of the highest pressure jobs in English football.

The Rotherham statement doesn't mention an interim manager, maybe they've already got someone lined up?

If the worst happens, and Hurst does go, th we Solihull m as manager Neil Yardley would be top of my list.

I reckon was more to the new contracts them I originally thought.  

the odds (aka the wild guesses ) are already out , and no mention of PH

https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace/teams/rotherham-united


and  abit more info here from the RUFC tweeter

https://twitter.com/corden_blur88/status/1572928173058424833

Quoted from RonMariner

Bit rough on Rosenoir getting the sack after inheriting a basket case squad and getting them to the fringes of the playoffs. I wonder if Derby are about to go gung ho in financial terms again. It went so well for them last time.

I would be gutted to see Hurst go. He clearly has a great reputation among Rotherham fans but on the other hand they are a club on the fringes of the Championship playoffs and presumably have aspirations to get into the Premier league. Would they really look to appoint a manager with little championship experience, all of it bad?

Yes he has performed brilliantly in the lower leagues but I would imagine Rotherham would want a more experienced championship manager right now,

As it happens I know of one guy that is currently available.  He has guided two clubs into the prem. He lives in Bristol but will no doubt sell his house and move in order to create a legacy up north.

And don’t forget the 100 grand to throw in the kitty

Quoted from Poojah

Coaching team have followed Warne to Pride Park, so it will be an external appointment at Rotherham by the looks of things.

Am appointment that will  red to be made at pace no doubt.

Really not a fan of these cringey open letters. Let’s hope we’re not due one…

https://www.themillers.co.uk/news/2022/september/read--an-open-letter-from-paul-warne/

IF we did lose him, Hasselbaink wouldn't be a bad shout

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

IF we did lose him, Hasselbaink wouldn't be a bad shout

We’re not losing him.

Quoted from Poojah

We’re not losing him.

I'm increasingly coming to that view. The names being banded about are much 'sexier' if you like, than Hursty.

I'm sure if he wanted it, he'd probably get it. Well respected and hugely developed since his first spell with us.

People can see that where he struggled are crazy clubs.

i agree with RonMariner, Ardley is very similar to Hurst and has done wonders on their budget.

Doesn't sound like the Millers fans fancy Hurst at all, so let's hope their owner puts a bit of value in that...

https://boards.footymad.net/showthread.php?t=38295780&page=13

Quoted from Meza

i agree with RonMariner, Ardley is very similar to Hurst and has done wonders on their budget.

I'm not sure their budget is as relatively small as people think. It's widely reported that Barnett rejected us in favour of them because they offered more money. Sbarra recently signed a new 3 year deal, to stay in non league despite alleged L1 interest. He's done very well and they play excellent football but I wouldn't say it's a fairtytale.

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

IF we did lose him, Hasselbaink wouldn't be a bad shout

Really?!

Anyone know who’s doing today’s presser with Hurst (or a replacement stooge)? I know Matt Dean had been doing them but the last couple of weeks it’s been that slightly shifty looking guy from the Telegraph.