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Quoted from aldi_01

Always found it interesting that when the neo liberal, nonsense, narcissistic and self obsessed governments like ours begin to inevitably fail it’s never their fault and the right wing are there to help apportion blame elsewhere, almost always at the feet of immigrants.

Obviously, the complex nature of the migrant issue in Italy has passed our friend by. I’d suggest he go read about it. With extreme parties on both sides in Italy it’s ridiculous to compare them to anyone else, especially given the levels of corruption and involvement of the Vatican.


If only the right wing could divert their anger towards the actual problem, they’d see that the countries they cling to, bang a drum for, in our case, dear old Blighty are being copulated by the ruling elite, not some bloke fleeing a country or someone looking to improve their life…

Your correct to call out other problems but your wrong to insinuate Immigration Is my only concern. A regular on here would know how critical I’ve been on everything from Covid policy to our loony Net Zero targets etc. I find staggering how a certain section want to just ignore and remain silent on our illegal migrant problem, but more alarmingly you find it’s the same ilk who just don’t want to acknowledge the continuity of our child rape gangs, predominantly of foreign heritage!

Italy, France, Belgium, Greece etc are all have unrepairable  problems due to mass migration all self inflicted by these ruling elites and their crazy Schengen Agreement, but somehow we’re part counting the costs.

Here's an interesting article from a Swedish academic which suggests that individual Swedes actually tend to be less liberal than you might imagine:

https://www.theguardian.com/co.....ism-election-results

As a personal anecdote, I've only been to Sweden the once, for a stag weekend, must be the best part of 20 years ago now. I liked the Swedes who I felt, culturally, were closer to the British than any other European nationality that I've encountered (the Irish aside, perhaps). On one of the nights, one of the guys with us was turned away from the nightclub we were heading into because they didn't like the way he was dressed so he had to go back to the hotel to change. The taxi driver who took him was an Iraqi who had settled in Sweden after being a refugee and they chatted on the journey as he spoke good English. It turned out that the taxi driver was actually a highly experienced engineer but wasn't able to get a job in his trade in Sweden. Whether or not this was due to qualification issues or immigration rules, I don't know, but it seemed a waste to me. I wonder if that engineer is still driving his taxi to support his family all these years later?

Quoted from Humbercod

Your correct to call out other problems but your wrong to insinuate Immigration Is my only concern. A regular on here would know how critical I’ve been on everything from Covid policy to our loony Net Zero targets etc. I find staggering how a certain section want to just ignore and remain silent on our illegal migrant problem, but more alarmingly you find it’s the same ilk who just don’t want to acknowledge the continuity of our child rape gangs, predominantly of foreign heritage!

Italy, France, Belgium, Greece etc are all have unrepairable  problems due to mass migration all self inflicted by these ruling elites and their crazy Schengen Agreement, but somehow we’re part counting the costs.

The vast majority of sexual offences against children are perpetrated by white males. There is a disproportionately large percentage of British Pakistani abusers in grooming gangs.

Being British, I don't think they can be classed as illegal migrants.

Quoted from Humbercod

Pleased you can accept immigration was a factor all be it with gritted teeth 😀
Mass immigration has been a massive problem caused by the same elites that have been in charge of Sweden for years, the same elites the left now accuse of not being left enough! But we’re now told It’s them and their policy’s that have ruined the economy, and they are now leaving those poor immigrants to take the rap. Mass rape, gun and grenade attacks can be a problem granted but they are not as problematic as those pretend socialists.

Let’s check in on the neighbours Denmark…oh look they are also having an economic crises so how come their crime rates are much lower in comparison? could it be a crackdown on immigration? could it be to do with Denmarks low foreign background of 8% vs Sweden’s 25%?

No gritted teeth here. I said it was a factor, which it clearly was, but that doesn't mean it was a legitimate reason to lay the blame for the ills of the country at the feet of immigrants.

It's a populist move by the parties to garner support by giving the electorate someone to vent their spleen at. Classic diversion from the real issues.

Wait until their population starts falling, their GDP drops, and there aren't enough young people left to fill essential jobs, they'll be opening their doors again.

Quoted from GrimRob

Wait until their population starts falling, their GDP drops, and there aren't enough young people left to fill essential jobs, they'll be opening their doors again.

Seen this somewhere before 🤔

Quoted from ginnywings

It's a populist move by the parties to garner support by giving the electorate someone to vent their spleen at. Classic diversion from the real issues.

Diversion tactics not required when the people can see with their own eyes actual gang warfare on their streets, pretty much what we have imported to all the major city's here. As the numbers grow the problems only increase, you only have to look at what’s been going on in Leicester another failure of multiculturalism at the expense of the indigenous population. Is there any wonder why so called populist movements arise.

Quoted from ginnywings

The vast majority of sexual offences against children are perpetrated by white males. There is a disproportionately large percentage of British Pakistani abusers in grooming gangs.

Being British, I don't think they can be classed as illegal migrants.

I think the point you make about white males is valid and needs to be spoken about, but I also think that by comparing with these Pakistani child rape gangs is to almost deflect the major problem of the grooming gangs.

I think it’s common knowledge that the majority of child sexual abuse happen in the home no matter what country by a family member usually a man, so in England let’s say 90% white for argument sake then obviously most offences will be white male. Then take a Ghana with 3% white population then obviously the mass majority of perpetrators will be black.
Now you cannot deny that we have anything but a major problem on a industrial scale, when only 4% of the population (which becomes 2% when you take out the women) is responsible for so many victims up and down the country in towns and city’s with Muslim populations. And it’s still going on to this day not a week goes by where men of Pakistani origin are not being sentenced (if you can call it that) for abusing vulnerable girls.

I’m not shocked anymore that certain people want to remain silent on this horrendous abuse, I’m not upset anymore that certain people want to label you a racist for even speaking about this abuse, and I’m not surprised anymore when I’m told… ‘the vast majority of sexual offences against children are perpetrated by white males’!

Love it when the anti immigration types throw the old grooming gangs argument in. It’s laughable really because it does nothing for their argument.

And besides, if they were genuinely serious about stopping immigration etc they’d be interested in taking the government down, take it out on them, get at those girl privates and the organised crime gangs making millions bringing them over on false promises. I guess they don’t want to though else they’d have to admit how reckless and embarrassing the country they claim to love it. Easier to point at the brown person…

Of course, what would people who’ve spent a career working with perpetrators and victims know about it all. Let’s just blame immigration policies that they know little about rather than looking at the actual problems and the folk who perpetuate the problems.

Again, if anyone from the anti immigration group bothered to dig in to the issue in Italy it is extremely complex, more than their one dimensional political ideology would suggest.

Keep calling lefties, wooly or bedwetters, equally the left continually calling tories scum won’t help but the public needs to give its head a wobble really…there’s thousands queueing up to see an empty box with a crown on top, a crown that is worth so much you could sell it and give every single member of the UK a million quid and still have change…all whilst they’ve spent the entire time in the queue moaning about energy prices and cost of living crisis…

Quoted from Humbercod

I think the point you make about white males is valid and needs to be spoken about, but I also think that by comparing with these Pakistani child rape gangs is to almost deflect the major problem of the grooming gangs.

I think it’s common knowledge that the majority of child sexual abuse happen in the home no matter what country by a family member usually a man, so in England let’s say 90% white for argument sake then obviously most offences will be white male. Then take a Ghana with 3% white population then obviously the mass majority of perpetrators will be black.
Now you cannot deny that we have anything but a major problem on a industrial scale, when only 4% of the population (which becomes 2% when you take out the women) is responsible for so many victims up and down the country in towns and city’s with Muslim populations. And it’s still going on to this day not a week goes by where men of Pakistani origin are not being sentenced (if you can call it that) for abusing vulnerable girls.

I’m not shocked anymore that certain people want to remain silent on this horrendous abuse, I’m not upset anymore that certain people want to label you a racist for even speaking about this abuse, and I’m not surprised anymore when I’m told… ‘the vast majority of sexual offences against children are perpetrated by white males’!

But these are second and third generation Pakistanis, who are the descendants of people invited here because of our massive labour shortages when they were still a part of our Empire. You know that Empire that is still revered by people of a right wing persuasion as being a glorious Utopian time in our history.

They may be well of a "foreign heritage" as you put it, but they are mostly not illegal migrants. They are British and were raised here. Their attitude towards women and rape not being a consideration when we needed them to fill vacancies and keep the money rolling in.

They also tend to get way more press when they are arrested than people of white heritage.There is a problem, no doubt about that, but it is not as cut and dried as you make it. A lot of this started with a report by the Quilliam Foundation ( look them up, they were a fun bunch) who had an anti Muslim agenda and highlighted the involvement of Pakistani Muslims in grooming gangs to the exclusion of other ethnicities involved in similar activities.

Their findings were later debunked somewhat by a government report that wasn't widely publicised, probably because the foundation was part funded by the Home Office and also by Tea Party Republicans.