It's time to lay off Matt Green

All this vile criticism is way out of order.

How many of these people hammering him on here, ever got near to being a professional footballer?

I reckon 'lay off' is a poor choice of words here, I thought you were suggesting giving him his p45 from the thread title.......

I agree Agent Green ... (cough splutter) I mean Matthew Green is a thoroughly nice chap with a long and distinguished career in lower league football, has a young family, and errr tries hard or summat 🤷‍♂️ ... this isn’t the time for picking on individuals.

Some of the abuse particularly on twitter very much over the top. Effing useless girl private this and some directly sending messages to him

Quoted from cannylad68

ever got near to being a professional footballer?

BuT i PlAyEd SuNdAy LeAgUe AnD sCoReD aLl ThE gOaLs

I never got near to being a professional chef. So if I pay for a meal that’s sh1t  are you saying I can’t complain??

UTM

Quoted from cannylad68

All this vile criticism is way out of order.

How many of these people hammering him on here, ever got near to being a professional footballer?

Vile criticism is out of order, yes. But you can’t pretend that he’s the striker who’s going to save us from relegation. I don’t exactly know his stats but I think it’s in the region of 5 goals in 50 games for us and that’s simply not good enough.

Criticism while being constructive is actually fair enough imo, he doesn't look interested or up for the fight and that's not what we need at this time. Personal abuse however is bang out of order. I'm just hoping the management can find a role for him so he can contribute to the rest of our season, it feels like a waste of a wage at the moment.

Quoted from Civvy at last

I never got near to being a professional chef. So if I pay for a meal that’s sh1t  are you saying I can’t complain??

UTM

That's a valid point, the one arrogant pundits sometimes use: unless you've been a player, what do you know?    A bit condescending.  Non-players can pay to watch, but not allowed to comment? Nonsense.  

Most people know the limits and stick to them.

Criticism of Green isn't a sin but personal abuse is.
His record for us is at best abysmal, which in an interview he did during the lockdown he admitted he'd not done enough
What he hasn't done is improved, at 34 the "legs have gone" doesn't fit with me, Morais is 35 and still looks bloody good and sharp.
I just don't think Matt Green is very good, his first touch is awful, doesn't hold the ball up, doesn't take a player on and couldn't hit a cows ar%e with a banjo, barring an absolute screamer he scored against Chelsea.
If I'm honest, don't be surprised if Hurst drops him and Hanson makes a remarkable recovery. From all accounts Hanson just didn't get Holloway and I'm thinking none if the squad did tbh.
So, it's not a slating of Green as person that should be going on but critique his football ability and performances is perfectly acceptable.

You get loads of professional people, electricians, plumbers, politicians, etc, and yes although that is their job you obviously get different levels of competence, and I’m afraid Matt Green is not in the upper echelons of his trade. If you had to have a plumber round to your house every Tuesday and Saturday because his previous work was poor eventually you’d realise there’s better plumbers out there and employ a new one.

Every forum will be discussing the relative value of players to their squad this January. There is no 'vile abuse' here only honest appraisal over Green's contribution since joining the club. Other players have had some harsh criticism but have you sprung to their defence?

The spotlight is on him, and other forwards, due to our appalling lack of goal threat. By your logic it's time to 'lay off' every player, coach, director, shareholder, referee and commentator?

If you spot abuse, report it, as I do. Posts do get removed.

You can lay him off all you like, I still don't think he'll score.

We could equally have several threads for different players who for whatever reason are not performing. I don't think he requires singling out for any particular reason but equally I don't think he's a league standard player anymore, for what it's worth I don't think he's a national league standard player.  I expect his next club will be in the national league  north at best.

He does not try hard enough, it is as simple as that for me.

He pretends to work hard, but that is a different thing altogether.

Look at the difference when Gibson came on - really working hard to help the team - it showed Green in a very poor light with his half-hearted jumps, half-hearted challenges, half-hearted runs.

I hope he is the first out of the door to be honest.

Quoted from Hagrid

Some of the abuse particularly on twitter very much over the top. Effing useless girl private this and some directly sending messages to him

Anyone taking the effort to directly message him such abuse should be ashamed of themselves.

Green isn't a target man, he's like Podge...only plays well as the second striker in a 2 man attack. Both are capable of scoring goals but not in a 3 man front line...it's just not there game. Podge at Hartlepool was played in a 3 and it failed to produce..only when they played 4-4-2 did he start scoring again.
I'm sure Hurst knows that better than any of us.

Quoted from StaffsMariner

Green isn't a target man, he's like Podge...only plays well as the second striker in a 2 man attack. Both are capable of scoring goals but not in a 3 man front line...it's just not there game. Podge at Hartlepool was played in a 3 and it failed to produce..only when they played 4-4-2 did he start scoring again.
I'm sure Hurst knows that better than any of us.

Yes for Green four or five years ago but honestly any system you stick him in right here and right  now isn't going to work. We need far better  players than him and several  others or we are down.

I'd be more inclined to waste my free time messaging abuse to Ian Holloway or whoever thought it was a good idea to give Bennett 4k a week. Surely that's wrong, half a million £ contract¿

For what it's worth I don't think matt will be good enough to play national North given his record here
He's a professional athlete being paid a lot of money,  who can't run

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

He does not try hard enough, it is as simple as that for me.

He pretends to work hard, but that is a different thing altogether.

Look at the difference when Gibson came on - really working hard to help the team - it showed Green in a very poor light with his half-hearted jumps, half-hearted challenges, half-hearted runs.

I hope he is the first out of the door to be honest.

I’m not sure you can back up the bit I’ve highlighted above with any form of fact. If you say his first touch isn’t good enough or he’s indisciplined with the amount of fouls he gives away I’d get it.

Green’s full time career is pretty much over, I’ve seen Hemel Town a couple of times who are in the tier below the National League he’d do well at that level I think.

As well as Green you could say the same about a number of the current personally I think Rose falls into the same category as Green, it’s not his fault either.

I don’t think any player should get the stick Green  has had I would though be disappointed if he starts again unless injuries mean he has to.

Quoted from nightrider

I'd be more inclined to waste my free time messaging abuse to Ian Holloway or whoever thought it was a good idea to give Bennett 4k a week. Surely that's wrong, half a million contract¿

For what it's worth I don't think matt will be good enough to play national North given his record here
He's a professional athlete being paid a lot of money,  who can't run

I may have missed this earlier in the thread but how do we know Bennett is on £4K PW?

Bennett is another much like Williams I've no idea what is up with him, he's only 30 so should still be in his prime. He seem tidy in bits and pieces but looks miles away from a 4k a week player.

He seems to be binning off his career though I can't imagine if he fails here he'll have many more league suitors.  To be honest he's my biggest disappointment this season as from what I've seen of him in the past he looked really decent.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

I agree Agent Green ... (cough splutter) I mean Matthew Green is a thoroughly nice chap with a long and distinguished career in lower league football, has a young family, and errr tries hard or summat 🤷‍♂️ ... this isn’t the time for picking on individuals.

billy big balls Imp - off you trot

Not keen with his setplays be inclined to put preston on deadballs

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I may have missed this earlier in the thread but how do we know Bennett is on £4K PW?

I don't rate Matt Green currently but personal abuse isn't necessary, however it's not just Town fans, you need to see the comments about Bennett on the Bristol Rovers forums when he signed for us. (not aimed at you Herts)

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I’m not sure you can back up the bit I’ve highlighted above with any form of fact. If you say his first touch isn’t good enough or he’s indisciplined with the amount of fouls he gives away I’d get it.

Green’s full time career is pretty much over, I’ve seen Hemel Town a couple of times who are in the tier below the National League he’d do well at that level I think.

As well as Green you could say the same about a number of the current personally I think Rose falls into the same category as Green, it’s not his fault either.

I don’t think any player should get the stick Green  has had I would though be disappointed if he starts again unless injuries mean he has to.

Of course, it's impossible to prove with facts - that's why he does it!

He has been like this for a long time and it is very noticeable in his play.

All our opinions are just that - opinions - and mine of Green is that he doesn't try hard enough but always makes it look like he does.

There is no personal malice from me, it is not his fault we signed him years too late but he is going through the motions.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I don't rate Matt Green currently but personal abuse isn't necessary, however it's not just Town fans, you need to see the comments about Bennett on the Bristol Rovers forums when he signed for us. (not aimed at you Herts)

No problemo Sir!

Bennett is on 4K a week at Bristol but we aren’t paying all his wages.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Of course, it's impossible to prove with facts - that's why he does it!

He has been like this for a long time and it is very noticeable in his play.

All our opinions are just that - opinions - and mine of Green is that he doesn't try hard enough but always makes it look like he does.

There is no personal malice from me, it is not his fault we signed him years too late but he is going through the motions.

Personally i think the fact he exhausts alot of energy chasing sh!t passes or trying to win impossible high lofted balls over towering centre halfs takes its toll on his effectiveness and mindset.
In all honesty for the first half yesterday he kind of got one perfect ball into his feet running at goal , that was it.  Very little else. He should have done better with it but it was probably such a suprise he had to think what to do, not just instinctively shoot.
Also completely isolated in the formation.  He isnt a young player full of beans and pace, he isnt a back to goal target man , he can find a yard of space in the box but there is so little service you rarely get to find that out/ notice it.
Not saying he is great but he has rarely been played in a front two since he came here and until Morais arrived recently there has been very little service from out wide.
Playing up front, in a formation that doesnt suit you, asked to do a job that isnt really your strength/ game with a revolving door of partners/wide men/midfielders all incapable of providing you with decent service then hardly suprising his stats look awful.....but then who elses look any better in reality over the last few seasons ?
Was it their goal yesterday when Bennett missed that pass to him, played it behind him , you could see the frustration in his body language.

Quoted from moosey_club

Personally i think the fact he exhausts alot of energy chasing sh!t passes or trying to win impossible high lofted balls over towering centre halfs takes its toll on his effectiveness and mindset.
In all honesty for the first half yesterday he kind of got one perfect ball into his feet running at goal , that was it.  Very little else. He should have done better with it but it was probably such a suprise he had to think what to do, not just instinctively shoot.
Also completely isolated in the formation.  He isnt a young player full of beans and pace, he isnt a back to goal target man , he can find a yard of space in the box but there is so little service you rarely get to find that out/ notice it.
Not saying he is great but he has rarely been played in a front two since he came here and until Morais arrived recently there has been very little service from out wide.
Playing up front, in a formation that doesnt suit you, asked to do a job that isnt really your strength/ game with a revolving door of partners/wide men/midfielders all incapable of providing you with decent service then hardly suprising his stats look awful.....but then who elses look any better in reality over the last few seasons ?
Was it their goal yesterday when Bennett missed that pass to him, played it behind him , you could see the frustration in his body language.

It’s interesting what you cover off there, if you think of his goals verses Port Vale and Chelsea last season they would back up what you say about his strengths.

Quoted from Hagrid

Some of the abuse particularly on twitter very much over the top. Effing useless girl private this and some directly sending messages to him

How utterly disgraceful to subject any individual to that form and level of abuse, it is the worst kind of cruelty and bullying.

He’s a player that has relied on his pace, that’s now gone and he has very little else in the locker.
A bit like good looking blokes not having to learn how to chat up!
When they’re old and bald , they’re stuffed!
He makes himself available every week for the team

Quoted from StaffsMariner

Green isn't a target man, he's like Podge...only plays well as the second striker in a 2 man attack. Both are capable of scoring goals but not in a 3 man front line...it's just not there game. Podge at Hartlepool was played in a 3 and it failed to produce..only when they played 4-4-2 did he start scoring again.
I'm sure Hurst knows that better than any of us.

Think he scored 15 for Hartlepool that season. Wish we’d had players who failed to produce like that.

Quoted from Cod Cheeks

He’s a player that has relied on his pace, that’s now gone and he has very little else in the locker.
A bit like good looking blokes not having to learn how to chat up!
When they’re old and bald , they’re stuffed!
He makes himself available every week for the team

Speak for yourself sunshine  

Quoted from arryarryarry

Speak for yourself sunshine  

Haha! I am!!

The problem with Green is that he doesn't have an attribute of note.

He's not quick, he isn't strong, he isn't bursting with energy, he doesn't have a great touch, the ball doesn't stick to him, he doesn't bring others into play, he doesn't pre-empt what's happening and he isn't clinical or blessed with natural instinct of some strikers.

I've been critical of Green pretty much since he came here and at periods last season and earlier this season even suggested he might not be pulling his weight in terms of effort.  But I actually think he's done ok in the last month or so.  Don't get me wrong, it's still not enough but he's started to at least try and get his body between the ball and defenders, on a few occasions he's actually held up it really well and brought others into play...but then there's the example like from the first half on Saturday when the ball comes to him in a great position and he hesitates, allows the ball to run across his body and gives the defender time to get a block in.  

Combination of many things.  Confidence is the one that really stands out to me.    Like all strikers, if he got a run of goals I actually think he would be ten times the player.  When he scored earlier in the season, forget who it was against, he looked a different player for 20 minutes after it.  But he doesn't score anywhere near often enough to get that boost.

Ultimately he isn't what we need. Gibson and Jackson coming on in the second half on Saturday proved that even one or two attributes, in their case a bit of pace and enthusiasm, adds a totally different dimension to the attack.  I'm at the point now where I feel for Green because it's just not his fault.  Some players slowly decline, whereas some players just seem to hit a wall of no longer having anything about their game.  I fear this is the case for Green.

Anyone actively seeking him out to send personal abuse wants to seek professional help.

No sympathy, needs sacking off, along with the rest of the shower of excrement that we currently have.

Quoted from ex-merseymariner

I reckon 'lay off' is a poor choice of words here, I thought you were suggesting giving him his p45 from the thread title.......

I did too.  I thought how?   I like Matt but he hasn't delivered.  I really hope Hurst can do some magic and get him the service he needs to play a more important role.

Quoted from diehardmariner

The problem with Green is that he doesn't have an attribute of note.

He's not quick, he isn't strong, he isn't bursting with energy, he doesn't have a great touch, the ball doesn't stick to him, he doesn't bring others into play, he doesn't pre-empt what's happening and he isn't clinical or blessed with natural instinct of some strikers.

I've been critical of Green pretty much since he came here and at periods last season and earlier this season even suggested he might not be pulling his weight in terms of effort.  But I actually think he's done ok in the last month or so.  Don't get me wrong, it's still not enough but he's started to at least try and get his body between the ball and defenders, on a few occasions he's actually held up it really well and brought others into play...but then there's the example like from the first half on Saturday when the ball comes to him in a great position and he hesitates, allows the ball to run across his body and gives the defender time to get a block in.  

Combination of many things.  Confidence is the one that really stands out to me.    Like all strikers, if he got a run of goals I actually think he would be ten times the player.  When he scored earlier in the season, forget who it was against, he looked a different player for 20 minutes after it.  But he doesn't score anywhere near often enough to get that boost.

Ultimately he isn't what we need. Gibson and Jackson coming on in the second half on Saturday proved that even one or two attributes, in their case a bit of pace and enthusiasm, adds a totally different dimension to the attack.  I'm at the point now where I feel for Green because it's just not his fault.  Some players slowly decline, whereas some players just seem to hit a wall of no longer having anything about their game.  I fear this is the case for Green.

Anyone actively seeking him out to send personal abuse wants to seek professional help.

I'm not sure if you are referring to the incident just before they broke away and scored but speaking to someone who was at the game he thought he slipped on the wet grass and lost his footing.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I'm not sure if you are referring to the incident just before they broke away and scored but speaking to someone who was at the game he thought he slipped on the wet grass and lost his footing.

Not sure I saw it like that, he went completely the wrong way.

Definitely fair to say he hasn’t had his best time at Grimsby. People knocking his goal record need to take in to account a lot of his appearances have been on the wing though. Neither do we play to his strengths and his confidence must be in the toilet right now.

Absolutely no time for tagging players on Twitter though and calling them rubbish, or worse. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and it would be more than acceptable to say his signing hasn’t worked out, but if you abuse your own players you need to take a look at yourself.

Quoted from quebec38

Definitely fair to say he hasn’t had his best time at Grimsby. People knocking his goal record need to take in to account a lot of his appearances have been on the wing though. Neither do we play to his strengths and his confidence must be in the toilet right now.

Absolutely no time for tagging players on Twitter though and calling them rubbish, or worse. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and it would be more than acceptable to say his signing hasn’t worked out, but if you abuse your own players you need to take a look at yourself.

I think if you pay for the right to watch, then its fair game.  They are the first bunch to go on Twitter after a good result looking for attention, they should be prepared for criticism, abuse no.

Not seen any personal abuse sent to him (which obviously I wouldn't condone), but he's awful and the longer he is in the Town team the longer we'll struggle IMO.

I know he's not solely to blame or anything like that. But I'm struggling to think of a less effective striker we've had in recent years. I feel sorry for him because he was obviously a decent conference/L2 striker at one point, but right now he's as bad a striker as I can remember us having.

People can say the service is poor, which no doubt it is, but it's the same for other strikers, and Gibson puts himself about and gets himself far more involved in the game.

I like Matt Green as a person and every time i've spoke to him he's been a great laugh and a good character but some of the things i'm reading here is laughable. The bloke isn't up to it anymore, that's all it is.. his legs have gone and it's time he moved on. He's been here a 18 months and has scored 6 goals, time to move on Matt and thankyou for your service. No debate around it, he isn't a league quality striker anymore and the fact I'm seeing people trying to say he isn't a target man, he's played on the wing etc etc is balderdash. He's just not good enough anymore.

Quoted from Tommy

Not seen any personal abuse sent to him (which obviously I wouldn't condone), but he's awful and the longer he is in the Town team the longer we'll struggle IMO.

I know he's not solely to blame or anything like that. But I'm struggling to think of a less effective striker we've had in recent years. I feel sorry for him because he was obviously a decent conference/L2 striker at one point, but right now he's as bad a striker as I can remember us having.

People can say the service is poor, which no doubt it is, but it's the same for other strikers, and Gibson puts himself about and gets himself far more involved in the game.

Ben Tomlinson? Though I can wholly understand why you'd have tried to erase him from your mind Tommy

Got to echo the sentiments already put forward, I've met him once and you can tell he is a nice bloke but unfortunately being a nice guy doesn't score you goals or makes you play well. I was delighted when we signed him, he was excellent at Mansfield and his spell at Lincoln saw him praised to the point that several of my Imp supporting buddies were a little triggered when he joined us. So for me I thought it was an extremely shrewd signing by Jolley and it certainly looked that way for a short time.

Like stated he has regressed and he isn't the player he was, there is absolutely no shame in that from his own perspective, but his inclusion in match day squads has kinda made him a target for people wanting someone to blame, although it's fair to say he hasn't done much to fend off any criticism by constantly being one of the worst performers on the field. Personally I would rather play Jackson or Gibson as at least they offer legs, endeavour and a better eye for goal.

We've had many strikers here over the years who just haven't cut the mustard or been as potent as expected in front of goal as much as they had previously.. Michael Jeffrey, Iffy Onuora, Isaiah Rankin (Second spell), Damian Spencer, Greg Pearson, Richard Brodie etc. but probably the last under performing forward to get so much consistent game time was Adam Proudlock, and we all know how that season ended.

It's fair to say Matt is in his last season for us and likely the Football League, it's just whether or not PH feels he can move or wants to move him on this month or in the summer. I can't think for the world of me Hurst can be impressed with the way he has played this season and with him being one of the higher earners its plausible to get him off the wage bill sooner rather than later certainly where most fans are concerned.

Quoted from Cayman_mariner

Ben Tomlinson? Though I can wholly understand why you'd have tried to erase him from your mind Tommy

Haha - I thought the exact same thing!

Quoted from Cod Cheeks

He’s a player that has relied on his pace, that’s now gone and he has very little else in the locker.
A bit like good looking blokes not having to learn how to chat up!
[/b]When they’re old and bald , they’re stuffed[b]!
He makes himself available every week for the team

Oi, speak for yourself 😂🤣😉

Quoted from quebec38

Absolutely no time for tagging players on Twitter though and calling them rubbish, or worse. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and it would be more than acceptable to say his signing hasn’t worked out, but if you abuse your own players you need to take a look at yourself.

Yes

A lot of these players are quite young as well and living in rented accommodation away from their families. At this level due to the uncertainty and low wages relatively speaking in football it must be hard. If you haven't got a strong mindset or good community many will suffer.

Football is a very tough profession and we as fans should help not outright criticise the players. Constructive criticism though is different and warranted.

Key is as long as players are trying that's all that can be asked.

Quoted from Tommy

Not seen any personal abuse sent to him (which obviously I wouldn't condone), but he's awful and the longer he is in the Town team the longer we'll struggle IMO.

I know he's not solely to blame or anything like that. But I'm struggling to think of a less effective striker we've had in recent years. I feel sorry for him because he was obviously a decent conference/L2 striker at one point, but right now he's as bad a striker as I can remember us having.

People can say the service is poor, which no doubt it is, but it's the same for other strikers, and Gibson puts himself about and gets himself far more involved in the game.

Gibson is just as excrement

Quoted from Rick12

Yes


Key is as long as players are trying that's all that can be asked.

oh what a tired and pathetic excuse, always get dragged out. Running around a lot is fine, not bothered if we lose 5 nil as long as you try.

Bloody hell, I'd take Ben Tomlinson at the minute!

He wasn't great but he at least put a shift on.  From memory, the biggest issue with Tomlinson was that he was the man brought in by Hurst with the suggestion that he wanted Amond to work harder and set an example.  Amond had already scored a shed load at this point so it didn't go down well, nor the fact that Tomlinson couldn't hit a barn door.

Proudlock, Brodie, Onuora all offered something at some point.  Yes, even Brodie who looked pretty decent in his first couple of appearances.  

I'm with Tommy, I'm struggling to think of anyone less effective.  Spencer and even his like-for-like Michael Rankine were, if nothing else, absolute units that could have been an option to launch it to.  Green, sadly, doesn't offer even that.

Quoted from Boris Johnson

oh what a tired and pathetic excuse, always get dragged out. Running around a lot is fine, not bothered if we lose 5 nil as long as you try.

VVANKER

Quoted from Boris Johnson

oh what a tired and pathetic excuse, always get dragged out. Running around a lot is fine, not bothered if we lose 5 nil as long as you try.

If your loosing 5-0 in the league your doing something wrong and need to analyse that.

Thing is Boris thats what football is all about. No effort no results. Iam not talking either about the physical side but the mental as well. Hence be professional of and on the pitch. Eat right and drink in moderation. You'll be surprised at the amount of drinking that goes on amongst professional footballers.

Put yourself in the footballers shoes eg the ones who genuinely try. You get up in the morning train hard, try to do everything right and still get vilified by some. Sucks the life out of you.

Always try to improve. That's all that can be asked.

Iffy Onorogh! Name from the past there, i liked Iffy

So much i cant spell his name

Green will do very well to land a contract at a conference north club next season based solely on his name. Absolute garbage and him starting so much (why?) is a big reason we are where we are.

Shouldn’t be directly sent abuse, but the people aren’t wrong

Unfortunately the guy is past his best.

But all forwards need good service, and this team simply does not deliver that. In that past year has any striker scored regularly for us?

Quoted from Civvy at last

I never got near to being a professional chef. So if I pay for a meal that’s sh1t  are you saying I can’t complain??

UTM

Only if the GREENS were over cooked.   :

Sorry all, but had to bump this.
He's absolutely garbage and proving it even more with every minute he gets on the pitch.  
Gibson did more in the 20 odd minutes on the pitch yesterday than Green offered in 70 odd.
Really hope Hurst has seen enough to drop him now, rather see Jackson Jr and Gibson paired together and let Green go enjoy his retirement.

We just need to pay him up, it's an illusionary option having him around.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

We just need to pay him up, it's an illusionary option having him around.

I don't hold with paying players up but on this occasion agreeing some form of settlement would be best for both parties. Or at very least e loan him out to NL North/South side which is just about his level I think. I'm sure he's a decent bloke but his fays as an EFL player look over, and have done for a while.

Quoted from Mariner_501

Green will do very well to land a contract at a conference north club next season based solely on his name. Absolute garbage and him starting so much (why?) is a big reason we are where we are.

Shouldn’t be directly sent abuse, but the people aren’t wrong

Every player is equally culpable for our failings this season.
The whole team are as equally to blame for not keeping the ball out of our net and not sticking it in the opposition net.
Have you seen our goal difference????
Yes Green is not good at putting away chances but how many chances have others created for him??

Quoted from TAGG

Every player is equally culpable for our failings this season.
The whole team are as equally to blame for not keeping the ball out of our net and not sticking it in the opposition net.
Have you seen our goal difference????
Yes Green is not good at putting away chances but how many chances have others created for him??

but jackson and gibson have both managed to get shots on ,if not goals. and at least they cause defenders a few more problems than green

Quoted from forza ivano

but jackson and gibson have both managed to get shots on ,if not goals. and at least they cause defenders a few more problems than green

The stats bare this out as Green has managed one goal in 940 minutes this season, Gibson a goal every 400 minutes and Jackson Jr one every 150 minutes.

Quoted from Mariner_501

Green will do very well to land a contract at a conference north club next season based solely on his name. Absolute garbage and him starting so much (why?) is a big reason we are where we are.

Shouldn’t be directly sent abuse, but the people aren’t wrong

So, I don't think the last 3 managers who have continued to pick him in the starting eleven are wrong.  So I'm going to say the people ARE wrong, leave it to the professionals.

Quoted from 123614

So, I don't think the last 3 managers who have continued to pick him in the starting eleven are wrong.  So I'm going to say the people ARE wrong, leave it to the professionals.

Simple, if Green stays in the team we go down, no ifs no buts and professionals can be wrong in all professions and we as fans can only hope that Hurst has now seen enough and Matt can move on and play semi- pro somewhere else.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Simple, if Green stays in the team we go down, no ifs no buts and professionals can be wrong in all professions and we as fans can only hope that Hurst has now seen enough and Matt can move on and play semi- pro somewhere else.

You are joking right?  THREE Football managers pick him constantly, but you think that anonymous people on this board know better than them!  Oh, and because ONE man stays in the team, he will cause us to go down, what about the other 10?   FFS read your post before you put this kind of rubbish on here, don't care if it's your opinion or not, it's a rubbish post that would seem to have been written by a school kid, not saying that you are, but the post makes it look like you are.

Quoted from 123614

So, I don't think the last 3 managers who have continued to pick him in the starting eleven are wrong.  So I'm going to say the people ARE wrong, leave it to the professionals.

Because there is no other option. He's the only fit, experienced striker we have, which is a shocking state of affairs.

Quoted from ginnywings

Because there is no other option. He's the only fit, experienced striker we have, which is a shocking state of affairs.

But that's hardly his fault!  For most of the time he's been playing as a lone striker.  I don't know what his best role is, maybe playing as a lone striker is not his forte, but at least he tries.

Quoted from 123614

But that's hardly his fault!  For most of the time he's been playing as a lone striker.  I don't know what his best role is, maybe playing as a lone striker is not his forte, but at least he tries.

Not saying it's his fault. I'm saying he has been picked by 3 managers because we have no one else, apart from three totally inexperienced lads learning their trade at this level.

If Hanson is fit and/or we sign a striker this week, I doubt he will be starting on Saturday.

Quoted from 123614

You are joking right?  THREE Football managers pick him constantly, but you think that anonymous people on this board know better than them!  Oh, and because ONE man stays in the team, he will cause us to go down, what about the other 10?   FFS read your post before you put this kind of rubbish on here, don't care if it's your opinion or not, it's a rubbish post that would seem to have been written by a school kid, not saying that you are, but the post makes it look like you are.

Been watching town for over 55 years and I have every right to disagree with football managers on this forum. Simple fact is Holloway hardly picked Green, only sensible thing he did, and my point is that with Green up front we will simply not score sufficient goals to stay up no matter how good the other ten are.

You may think it’s rubbish but I couldn’t give two hoots what you think and stick by my statement if Green stays in the team we go down.

Praying that’s not the case but ....

Stats for Green played 18, shoots 18, goals 2. Not a striker, top scorer is a CB

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Been watching town for over 55 years and I have every right to disagree with football managers on this forum. Simple fact is Holloway hardly picked Green, only sensible thing he did, and my point is that with Green up front we will simply not score sufficient goals to stay up no matter how good the other ten are.

You may think it’s rubbish but I couldn’t give two hoots what you think and stick by my statement if Green stays in the team we go down.

Praying that’s not the case but ....

I think if the majority of this shower stay in the team we will go down.

poor from people on here the service to him is non existant , i'v seen players in black & white try a lot less than green does FACT, tell me how many chances he missed in last 3 games ? i'll tell you one chance we create nothing , kane would struggle in our side ok don't all laugh at once but my point he not a target man , he likes to play off big man i genuinly feel for him it must hurt him like it does us

Whilst I agree that at times you can blame poor service, it isn't always the answer.

For instance,  against Cambridge, someone slipped a ball into him just inside the box, central to goal, but he was too slow to react and/or wasn't aware a defender would be covering round, and he failed to get a shot away. When in reality, it should have been a great chance to score. So by the stats, he didn't miss the chance, but it was because he was so poor he turned it from a chance, to nothing.

Sometimes its hard to criticise good strikers when the service is poor. Other times, the striker himself can just have a lack of good movement, lack of sharpness, lack of anticipation in the box, lack of ability to retain the ball in the opposition half to actually enable us to spend more time in the opposition half.

I realise the service hasn't been great for a lot of this season, but part of it is down to the strikers themselves. Particularly, in my opinion, with Green, who doesn't offer an outlet, gets beaten to his second touch by the defender and doesn't give us any movement in the final third.

I know they have their critics for areas of their game, but Bennett and Williams are capable of playing creative passes if they have runners ahead of the ball.

Quoted from Tommy

Whilst I agree that at times you can blame poor service, it isn't always the answer.

For instance,  against Cambridge, someone slipped a ball into him just inside the box, central to goal, but he was too slow to react and/or wasn't aware a defender would be covering round, and he failed to get a shot away. When in reality, it should have been a great chance to score. So by the stats, he didn't miss the chance, but it was because he was so poor he turned it from a chance, to nothing.

Sometimes its hard to criticise good strikers when the service is poor. Other times, the striker himself can just have a lack of good movement, lack of sharpness, lack of anticipation in the box, lack of ability to retain the ball in the opposition half to actually enable us to spend more time in the opposition half.

I realise the service hasn't been great for a lot of this season, but part of it is down to the strikers themselves. Particularly, in my opinion, with Green, who doesn't offer an outlet, gets beaten to his second touch by the defender and doesn't give us any movement in the final third.

I know they have their critics for areas of their game, but Bennett and Williams are capable of playing creative passes if they have runners ahead of the ball.

I think that has been the only genuine opportunity to score/shoot that has been served up for him for god knows how long.
I always remember thinking Andy Cole wasnt a very good striker in the Prem, would miss plenty of chances....but he played for two very attack minded sides and got plenty of service, his goal record was very good but his goal to chance ratio was probably pretty average.
Other strikers around at that time had a much better strike rate, probably not scoring as many but deadlier when they got the chance.
Green isnt getting 3-4-5 chances a game which he probably needs to bag one, he is getting 3 chances a month.
He needs chances, he needs support, he needs to play facing the goal not with his back to it or running channels.

Whilst conceding he isnt really what we need right now and yesterday I must admit he looked like a broken man out there I still maintain he isnt being really given a fair chance.

@ing him in tweets is wrong but he is bobbins. I do struggle to see what he offers, yes he works very hard but that shouldn't be a compliment, it should be a prerequisite for a pro footballer. He can't play the Lenell John Lewis role of holding the ball up, linking the play, winning cheap free kicks (he gives away far too many of them for a start)! I assume his game was, once upon a time, based on pace, energy and movement but with age that appears to have gone with it. Simply stated, we need better, much better.

I'd sooner swop the Shop for Green even now

Lenny was a way better player than Green. He had more of an aerial presence and linked the play effectively, plus he was a greater goal threat which tells you all you need to know!

Pay him off 3 goals in 2 years is f@cking dreadful he’s not interested can’t be arsed so get rid of the money is there worst forward we have had in a long time IMO