"How much have you loaned the club?"

Well the short answer is, the fans haven't loaned the club any money. But they have given it. Obviously we all remember this.

https://www.theguardian.com/fo.....000-transfer-manager

And this year we had season ticket holders not demanding a refund and prepared to buy again this year without the promise of being able to see a game. That must be worth a pretty penny.

Not forgetting of course that £841,800 was repaid by the club to 'directors' (we know which one). As per my previous post, £570k of that was money wasted on the Great Coates pipe dream. Wonder what PP cost us.

JSF motto must be something like: "My mistakes. You pay."

Too much and its all non returnable! I remember being a regular with a few mates in the main stand, would spend a good £30 per game in the bar, name cards and food then all of a sudden one saturday game we got surrounded by stewards on arrival to the main stand gates. Told we could no longer go in the main stand as its a family stand, we all looked baffled and miffed and thought it was a windl up, then the head of the stewards not nick dale some other muppet he sent, said we have been advised by nick dale to stop you from coming into this stand as you arent a family. An obvious reaction to this is your backs going to get up and it did but the sharp object wouldn't come out his box to tell us it face to face, so we was ushered quickly into the pontoon as we started voicing our opinion by stewards and police. Never ever took the matter further and let it go but this just sums up what mugs we are taken for from top to bottom, spending on average £50-£60 per match ticket included and to be treat like shitt. Im no longer returning and no longer spending a penny till the whole lots wiped out, from nick dale to fenty and co. They are all poison to the club and the fans!

Quoted from OneLove

Too much and its all non returnable! I remember being a regular with a few mates in the main stand, would spend a good £30 per game in the bar, name cards and food then all of a sudden one saturday game we got surrounded by stewards on arrival to the main stand gates. Told we could no longer go in the main stand as its a family stand, we all looked baffled and miffed and thought it was a windl up, then the head of the stewards not nick dale some other muppet he sent, said we have been advised by nick dale to stop you from coming into this stand as you arent a family. An obvious reaction to this is your backs going to get up and it did but the sharp object wouldn't come out his box to tell us it face to face, so we was ushered quickly into the pontoon as we started voicing our opinion by stewards and police. Never ever took the matter further and let it go but this just sums up what mugs we are taken for from top to bottom, spending on average £50-£60 per match ticket included and to be treat like shitt. Im no longer returning and no longer spending a penny till the whole lots wiped out, from nick dale to fenty and co. They are all poison to the club and the fans!

That is utterly disgraceful. Amateur is the word!

Using really rudimentary maths, since Fenty took over, between myself and my dad we’ve spent around £10k on season tickets alone. Doesn’t sound a lot but I didn’t sell my business for a few million quid...

I’d never expect anything back for them, they’re what I’d call ‘my investment’ and that’s not including cup tickets, away games, money spent in club shops and bars and so forth.

Would I expect it back? Not really. Do I want recognition? Not really, it’s my choice. Do I expect a man who has held fans in contempt throughout his tenure, a man responsible for so many poor decisions to apologise? I mean it would be nice. Nobody told him to loan the club money, he chose to.

They are loans, they’ve always been loans, that tells me that his intention all along was to get every penny back. Does he deserve to? Probably not. A man who continued to use a phrase ‘important not to devalue the product’ simply did that, year on year.

We’ve heard excuse after excuse, we’ve seen little investment in truth, unless you count thousands wasted on a vanity project that never got any further than a drawing. Along the way fans have been taken for mugs, the trust have been bullied and players exploited.

Add to that club heroes being treated unfairly, managers coming and going, the club sinking like the titanic and embarrassing incidents; it all makes for a shite read.

However, it’s nice that a certain director has had, one could argue, almost half his loan back which has seen the loan amount decrease which can only be good for the club...oh...hang on...

You don’t have to like Fenty, in fact it’s irrelevant, he doesn’t have to be a fan, again, it’s irrelevant but it would make it easier if he hadn’t been a flipping disaster, which in truth, he has been. We’ll never know of the club could’ve processed or moved further because the narrative, so carefully told has been one of survival, merely existing. We weren’t ambitious for footballing reasons in the conference; certainly not off the pitch. A period when we could’ve reinvented ourselves like so money do and have done, instead we reverted to type...how very predictable.

It’s time to go. No more flipping about...just go.

Dread to think how much money we have put in to the club over all the years.. have we had good times ... yes   have we had bad times ... yes  more than often ... have we moaned  .. yes .... have we  been able to take our money back.... No ..So why should  back door fenty get his money back

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Well the short answer is, the fans haven't loaned the club any money. But they have given it. Obviously we all remember this.

https://www.theguardian.com/fo.....000-transfer-manager

And this year we had season ticket holders not demanding a refund and prepared to buy again this year without the promise of being able to see a game. That must be worth a pretty penny.

Not forgetting of course that £841,800 was repaid by the club to 'directors' (we know which one). As per my previous post, £570k of that was money wasted on the Great Coates pipe dream. Wonder what PP cost us.

JSF motto must be something like: "My mistakes. You pay."

Yep.

And if Fenty gets his money back as part of a regime change at BP, his 16 year stewardship of the club won't have cost him a penny.
Just his reputation...

Next month I will have been supporting GTFC for 70 years!  I cannot possibly work out how much myself and my Dad spent in that time, but it's a hell of a lot of money.  I'm a fan, I don't want any of that money back, do you Fenty!  Give it up and just feck off, you're not wanted here!  #Fentyout.

If he gets his money back he will have had the best part of 2 decades of watching town for free, using a box for free, eating for free every match day, getting VIP treatment at away games/wembley trips for free! Maybe he should take this into account when working out exactly what the club owes him. FENTY OUT!!!

Collectively the fans have put many millions of pounds in - far more that Mr Fenty and his cronies. In fact, Mr Fenty has put sodomist all in really has he, seeing as he wants it all back? Initially he hoped to make money via the relocation, he lost the club a lot of money in all his failed attempts at that because he didn't have all his ducks in a row, to coin a phrase. Didn't really make much difference at Fenty towers though; he still wanted his money back, which is the most important thing. Those benign loans are certainly getting in the way.

I wonder how the talks are going?

Fenty out.

Let’s not forget the substantial pension contributions made to Fenty a few years back. I’m sure someone can check the proper figures, but didn’t he receive 2 payments of around £100k?

I could be wrong.

Quoted from ska face

Let’s not forget the substantial pension contributions made to Fenty a few years back. I’m sure someone can check the proper figures, but didn’t he receive 2 payments of around £100k?

I could be wrong.

intercourse...cracking pension that for being abject failure...

The extremely wise and heartfelt words of Marcelo Bielsa talking about his responsibility to the Leeds fanbase..

"The supporters.. the only thing for them is that they love their club. The only thing they receive in exchange is emotions. For this reason, the supporter is the best thing in football."

It's clear our fanbase is hurting, and been hurting for a very long time. We deserve better, our loyalty deserves better than our recent history. Marcelo's words should not be lost on our current board.

I just hope that some time soon, in the very near future, a line can be drawn in the sand, the acrimony put well behind us and be excitedly talking about a fresh start and a brave new future..

Question for ‘Honest’ John:
How much of the club’s money have you spent pursuing failed attempts to create opportunities for personal profit, and are you prepared to deduct that from the amount the club ‘owes’ you?
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It’s alright us going on about how much we spent and how he has been investing his loans in hope of profit from the ground and development. I agree and have said for some time that I very nearly now regret putting money into OP to get Bogle. But JF can just turn round to us and say that we were making a lot of small contributions while he was at the least losing interest on a substantial sum and at worst could lose the lot. As an individual I would find that argument hard to beat.

However that does not mean I don’t think he should make a deal and go. We may have to bribe him out but it would be worth it in the long run.

He has Been offered all his money back loans and shares or  so just go Fenty  the fans detest you as much as you detest them. Just go and give us all a very happy Christmas present.

Fenty Out .

Quoted from jaygy

If he gets his money back he will have had the best part of 2 decades of watching town for free, using a box for free, eating for free every match day, getting VIP treatment at away games/wembley trips for free! Maybe he should take this into account when working out exactly what the club owes him. FENTY OUT!!!

That's a very good point, I would have never thought of that take on it.

Quoted from 123614

Next month I will have been supporting GTFC for 70 years!  I cannot possibly work out how much myself and my Dad spent in that time, but it's a hell of a lot of money.  I'm a fan, I don't want any of that money back, do you Fenty!  Give it up and just feck off, you're not wanted here!  #Fentyout.

70 years Good on ye mate.

My first game was the 1970ish so God knows how much I've spent going to BP.

Something I do know is that I have spent far to much money over Fentys stewardship because 99% of the time its been a total waste of my time and money.

Quoted from jaygy

If he gets his money back he will have had the best part of 2 decades of watching town for free, using a box for free, eating for free every match day, getting VIP treatment at away games/wembley trips for free! Maybe he should take this into account when working out exactly what the club owes him. FENTY OUT!!!

Don't forget the £200k from the trust that he's going to pocket. It's been a nice little earner for him.

There’s some great stuff on here but I’d also add how much has the club been held back. By limiting our ambition to survival in a particular league, by putting things like Covid clauses in place, by not meeting the demands of the likes of Danny Coyne, John McDermott, Padraig Amond, by not investing in extra coaching staff etc.

For years, our ambition has been at best restricted, hoping, praying for ‘football fortune’. Outdated mentality, penny rich, pound thick, starving fans of success and then blaming them. It must change now. The club dies without change.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

There’s some great stuff on here but I’d also add how much has the club been held back. By limiting our ambition to survival in a particular league, by putting things like Covid clauses in place, by not meeting the demands of the likes of Danny Coyne, John McDermott, Padraig Amond, by not investing in extra coaching staff etc.

For years, our ambition has been at best restricted, hoping, praying for ‘football fortune’. Outdated mentality, penny rich, pound thick, starving fans of success and then blaming them. It must change now. The club dies without change.

Those five words sum it all up for me.

I personally know of eight fans who have all said they will not be putting any more money into the club unless there is change. All are season ticket holders.

Whatever anyone thinks, whether they are pro or anti this, that or the other, the bottom line is that without change, the club will go into terminal decline, as the point of no return has been reached.

Quoted from ginnywings

Those five words sum it all up for me.

I personally know of eight fans who have all said they will not be putting any more money into the club unless there is change. All are season ticket holders.

Whatever anyone thinks, whether they are pro or anti this, that or the other, the bottom line is that without change, the club will go into terminal decline, as the point of no return has been reached.

On the flipside, if there is change.. Imagine how many lapsed fans will suddenly become interested in the club again, especially if there's a project laid out for them to believe in. Let's face it, we've all completely lost any belief in a better future for GTFC up to this point...

Quoted from Bigdog

On the flipside, if there is change.. Imagine how many lapsed fans will suddenly become interested in the club again, especially if there's a project laid out for them to believe in. Let's face it, we've all completely lost any belief in a better future for GTFC up to this point...

Can’t wait to see 42,000 people at Blundell Park

Quoted from Bigdog

On the flipside, if there is change.. Imagine how many lapsed fans will suddenly become interested in the club again, especially if there's a project laid out for them to believe in. Let's face it, we've all completely lost any belief in a better future for GTFC up to this point...

Thanks for this rare bit of optimism! You're dead right about the lost belief - I log on just to see how much worse things have got...  

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

It’s alright us going on about how much we spent and how he has been investing his loans in hope of profit from the ground and development. I agree and have said for some time that I very nearly now regret putting money into OP to get Bogle. But JF can just turn round to us and say that we were making a lot of small contributions while he was at the least losing interest on a substantial sum and at worst could lose the lot. As an individual I would find that argument hard to beat.

However that does not mean I don’t think he should make a deal and go. We may have to bribe him out but it would be worth it in the long run.

Even with £2m, you wouldn't earn much interest these days. Obviously it's saved us paying bank interest.

But the original point was other people have stuck their hand in their pocket, over and above match tickets, merchandise, food, beverages, anything else you get something in return for. They didn't lend the club that money. And it wasn't their mistakes that led to the losses in the first place.

Quoted from ska face

Let’s not forget the substantial pension contributions made to Fenty a few years back. I’m sure someone can check the proper figures, but didn’t he receive 2 payments of around £100k?

I could be wrong.

Wasn't this some complicated way of paying Five Star Fish back? Five Star Fish under Fenty's ownership loaned the club money*, when he sold FSF the new owners demanded the money back so they had to be paid. But I don't understand why it had to be done as pension contributions**.

* you've got to wonder why the company and not the owner - maybe for tax efficiency purposes

** again, maybe for tax reasons

Quoted from ginnywings

Those five words sum it all up for me.

I personally know of eight fans who have all said they will not be putting any more money into the club unless there is change. All are season ticket holders.

Whatever anyone thinks, whether they are pro or anti this, that or the other, the bottom line is that without change, the club will go into terminal decline, as the point of no return has been reached.

Exactly. Once the tipping point was reached there is no going back.

People are fed up, most are convinced that Fenty is a malign influence on the club and want to see it lifted.

If he tries to cling on I think there would be a lot of unrest to be followed by apathy when there is no need if he makes the correct decision. He knows he could not be in his exhalted position forever, so now would be as good a time as any to accept the inevitable.  

Quoted from blundellpork

Can’t wait to see 42,000 people at Blundell Park

The record attendance at Blundell Park was 31,651 in an FA Cup tie against Wolverhampton Wanderers on 20 February 1937.  I can remember going to watch Town play Burnley in the FA Cup at BP and I believe there was around 23,000 there.

P.S.  Might be wrong about Burnley, and maybe a bit out with the attendance, but I'm sure it's not far off.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Wasn't this some complicated way of paying Five Star Fish back? Five Star Fish under Fenty's ownership loaned the club money*, when he sold FSF the new owners demanded the money back so they had to be paid. But I don't understand why it had to be done as pension contributions**.

* you've got to wonder why the company and not the owner - maybe for tax efficiency purposes

** again, maybe for tax reasons

I remember this from before!  

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Wasn't this some complicated way of paying Five Star Fish back? Five Star Fish under Fenty's ownership loaned the club money*, when he sold FSF the new owners demanded the money back so they had to be paid. But I don't understand why it had to be done as pension contributions**.

* you've got to wonder why the company and not the owner - maybe for tax efficiency purposes

** again, maybe for tax reasons

i presume there is no connection between this and the possible tax liabilities mentioned by Cod Almighty?

Quoted from 123614

The record attendance at Blundell Park was 31,651 in an FA Cup tie against Wolverhampton Wanderers on 20 February 1937.  I can remember going to watch Town play Burnley in the FA Cup at BP and I believe there was around 23,000 there.

P.S.  Might be wrong about Burnley, and maybe a bit out with the attendance, but I'm sure it's not far off.

Was there not nearing 23000 at the Exeter promotion game? I know there was 0ver 18000 when we played spurs. What days they was, was on about this to a mate the other day about the ponny when it was standing, full of characters, reeked of fart, fags and booze. best days those.

Quoted from forza ivano

i presume there is no connection between this and the possible tax liabilities mentioned by Cod Almighty?

Pure supposition on my part. I imagine that these are two more ‘in ax efficiency schemes’.

Didn’t CA say that there should be some news about the investigation?