Tested positive !

https://twitter.com/RadioHumberside/status/1302158033464721410




Scunthorpe player - But game goes ahead !

Hand sanitiser doesn’t go as far in Scunthorpe so it can be difficult to remain covid safe. ✋☝️

How the hell can they play a game? Everybody who was on an aeroplane where people tested positive have been made to isolate for 2 weeks, yet a bunch of players who will have had direct contact with an infected person are allowed to carry on as normal!

Quoted from pen penfras

How the hell can they play a game? Everybody who was on an aeroplane where people tested positive have been made to isolate for 2 weeks, yet a bunch of players who will have had direct contact with an infected person are allowed to carry on as normal!

I doubt that you or anyone else knows the circumstances so a wise man will keep his counsel until he has the full story.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

I doubt that you or anyone else knows the circumstances so a wise man will keep his counsel until he has the full story.

Yea, because jumping to a conclusion is so out of place on this forum  

It's only flu at worst anyway. All a load of balderdash.

3 people died of 'Coronavirus' in the UK on 1st September, 2 the day before and 1 the day before that. And I'd wager 'normal; flu would have killed them off as well.

So that's six people dead out of 67 million in three days. What a load of nonsense all this really is.

https://twitter.com/granthamtownfc/status/1302198845435269121


It's only a friendly but it looks like the teams have option to play or cancel.

Quoted from fishboyUTM

It's only flu at worst anyway. All a load of balderdash.

3 people died of 'Coronavirus' in the UK on 1st September, 2 the day before and 1 the day before that. And I'd wager 'normal; flu would have killed them off as well.

So that's six people dead out of 67 million in three days. What a load of nonsense all this really is.

Oh dear.
Let's roll out the "it's only flu" tired arguement.

COVID-19 causes more severe disease than seasonal influenza.

While many people globally have built up immunity to seasonal flu strains, COVID-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity. That means more people are susceptible to infection, and some will suffer severe disease.

Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected.

Yes, and also lets not forget if you survive covid the chances are your internals will be left in a right mess putting it in layman's terms. Stay safe everyone!

Quoted from fishboyUTM

It's only flu at worst anyway. All a load of balderdash.

3 people died of 'Coronavirus' in the UK on 1st September, 2 the day before and 1 the day before that. And I'd wager 'normal; flu would have killed them off as well.

So that's six people dead out of 67 million in three days. What a load of nonsense all this really is.

Numpty. We have a flu vaccine.

BTW are you watching the game today or burning down a 5G phone mast?

Quoted from LH

Hand sanitiser doesn’t go as far in Scunthorpe so it can be difficult to remain covid safe. ✋☝️

Thats because everyone has got six fingers

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Numpty. We have a flu vaccine.

BTW are you watching to game today or burning down a 5G phone mast?

He's probably on an anti vax or anti mask protest beforehand.

Quoted from fishboyUTM

It's only flu at worst anyway. All a load of balderdash.

3 people died of 'Coronavirus' in the UK on 1st September, 2 the day before and 1 the day before that. And I'd wager 'normal; flu would have killed them off as well.

So that's six people dead out of 67 million in three days. What a load of nonsense all this really is.

Well that's a huge relief. I've been listen to all these experts with years of experience and training in the fine details of the virus, and the risks. I thought it was a bad thing that over 40 000 mothers, fathers, grandparents, children have died in this country and and approaching a million world wide (perhaps 100 000 of which are excess deaths).

I thought that probability said that a tiny risk to an individual grows to certainty of deaths when dealing with millions of people in this country and billions world wide.

I've been doing everything I can to keep my family, friends and strangers as safe as possible.

How foolish I've been. fishboyUTM says we shouldn't give a crap about anyone else, and everything is fine. Great news.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Numpty. We have a flu vaccine.

BTW are you watching to game today or burning down a 5G phone mast?

He's got homework, junior schools went back last week

Quoted from drbell

Well that's a huge relief. I've been listen to all these experts with years of experience and training in the fine details of the virus, and the risks. I thought it was a bad thing that over 40 000 mothers, fathers, grandparents, children have died in this country and and approaching a million world wide (perhaps 100 000 of which are excess deaths).


I thought that probability said that a tiny risk to an individual grows to certainty of deaths

I've been doing everything I can to keep my family, friends and strangers as safe as possible.

How foolish I've been. fishboyUTM says we shouldn't give a crap about anyone else, and everything is fine. Great news.

I think your experts need to look at what is happening in Sweden. No lockdown and now hardly any cases. This was the path Boris wanted to take but a combination of "experts" and hysteria made him change course. Who is looking silly now?

Quoted from realist

I think your experts need to look at what is happening in Sweden. No lockdown and now hardly any cases. This was the path Boris wanted to take but a combination of "experts" and hysteria made him change course. Who is looking silly now?

Ah yes the Swedish model:

https://www.independent.co.uk/.....vid-19-a9539206.html

Achieving herd immunity was one of Tegnell’s original aims – but antibody surveys suggest only about 20 per cent of people in Stockholm have been infected, similar to levels in London and New York. That is far short of near the 70 per cent level estimated to be needed.



To be fair this is non football & there's a long running thread elsewhere to debate your theories.

Quoted from realist

I think your experts need to look at what is happening in Sweden. No lockdown and now hardly any cases. This was the path Boris wanted to take but a combination of "experts" and hysteria made him change course. Who is looking silly now?

Perhaps "Boris" as you call him?  

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

Perhaps "Boris" as you call him?  

He didn't need covid to achieve looking silly.

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

Perhaps "Boris" as you call him?  

Welcome back Tim we have missed your input.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Welcome back Tim we have missed your input.

Haha.... not sure my input is that highly thought of Pete ( someone already disagrees with you ) but thanks for that anyway!

The lure of a game after six months brought me back in to the fold of course ( not Covid comments )

Hope you're keeping ok anyway.... let's hope Town give us a glimmer of hope in what's been a crazy year so far

UTM

I’m no expert on all he ins and outs of Covid but if you ever whatch any of those films of the unlucky ones who are in ICU on ventilators then I believe you would not wish the disease on your worst enemy.

Quoted from fishboyUTM

It's only flu at worst anyway. All a load of balderdash.

3 people died of 'Coronavirus' in the UK on 1st September, 2 the day before and 1 the day before that. And I'd wager 'normal; flu would have killed them off as well.

So that's six people dead out of 67 million in three days. What a load of nonsense all this really is.

Are you one of the gonads that refuses to wear a mask in shops

Scunny lose to a 93rd minute goal, so hopefully the only thing scunny have got positive out of today was the Covid test.

Quoted from bawarmy

Are you one of the gonads that refuses to wear a mask in shops

He probably is, but I doubt hed be so confident about his denial if unfortunately he hears a Doctor informing him he is about to have a three inch wide ventilator tube shoved down his throat.

Quoted from fishboyUTM

It's only flu at worst anyway. All a load of balderdash.

3 people died of 'Coronavirus' in the UK on 1st September, 2 the day before and 1 the day before that. And I'd wager 'normal; flu would have killed them off as well.

So that's six people dead out of 67 million in three days. What a load of nonsense all this really is.

Maybe you should think a little bit before you post this kind of thing...I can sort of understand folk making off-the-cuff comments but maybe just think beforehand about the consequences of being glib & insensitive?

My ex father in law (RIP) might have had a different view to yours, when he found himself being taken in to hospital, after testing positive for Covid, before he was put on a ventilator, followed by kidney failure before he passed away

I suppose you think a few Lemsip cold and flu tablets may have saved him though?  

Quoted from fishboyUTM

It's only flu at worst anyway. All a load of balderdash.

3 people died of 'Coronavirus' in the UK on 1st September, 2 the day before and 1 the day before that. And I'd wager 'normal; flu would have killed them off as well.

So that's six people dead out of 67 million in three days. What a load of nonsense all this really is.

Ffs. I suppose you think the earth is flat as well.

Quoted from Gaffer58

Scunny lose to a 93rd minute goal, so hopefully the only thing scunny have got positive out of today was the Covid test.

Zac Mills with the first and Theo Robinson ( who rejected our Covid clause )  with the winner  

Quoted from drbell

Well that's a huge relief. I've been listen to all these experts with years of experience and training in the fine details of the virus, and the risks. I thought it was a bad thing that over 40 000 mothers, fathers, grandparents, children have died in this country and and approaching a million world wide (perhaps 100 000 of which are excess deaths).

I thought that probability said that a tiny risk to an individual grows to certainty of deaths when dealing with millions of people in this country and billions world wide.

I've been doing everything I can to keep my family, friends and strangers as safe as possible.

How foolish I've been. fishboyUTM says we shouldn't give a crap about anyone else, and everything is fine. Great news.

I am doing all I can to avoid catching or spreading the virus. Avoid handshakes, wear mask in shops, regular washing etc.
BUT
A couple of things worry me. Average age of people dying in UK = 77.
Only 2% of deaths are people under 50. We built a 4000 bed hospital at the Exel centre with a huge fanfare, it sat empty for a few weeks and then closed.

And bear in mind there were 12,000,000 pensioners in the UK when this started - there are still 11,960,000 left!

So now the government have borrowed £350 billion to be added to the national debt which our children will have to pay back. And created a million unemployed (so far)



*Puts on hard hat and awaits the tirade of abuse*

Quoted from Stadium

Ah yes the Swedish model:

https://www.independent.co.uk/.....vid-19-a9539206.html

Achieving herd immunity was one of Tegnell’s original aims – but antibody surveys suggest only about 20 per cent of people in Stockholm have been infected, similar to levels in London and New York. That is far short of near the 70 per cent level estimated to be needed.

To be fair this is non football & there's a long running thread elsewhere to debate your theories.

That article is three months old.  I did see the Swedish guy being interviewed abut this - he was very interesting.  Very open and honest and admitted the mistakes they had made.  I wish we could be more  like that.  
When he was questioned about the high rate his point was they were carrying on and it was to be expected.   He said that when we came out of lockdown our rate would increase and theirs wouldn’t.

Quoted from Ipswin

Thats because everyone has got six fingers

Whoosh. Look at the emojis

Quoted from supertown

Whoosh. Look at the emojis

You'll have to explain that one to me

Quoted from Ipswin

You'll have to explain that one to me

The whole point of the posters comment was about the 6 fingers , he even put two emoji hands with 6 fingers showing . You just stated the obvious with your reply

Quoted from supertown

The whole point of the posters comment was about the 6 fingers , he even put two emoji hands with 6 fingers showing . You just stated the obvious with your reply

How many fingers do they have in Bolton? They have had a high infection rate for months and have been told not to mix with other households. If the rate stays high Bolton Wanderers won't be allowed to attend games as local infection rates have to be taken into account by all clubs. Government guidance stresses that the club is liable if they allow fans in. Can't see all clubs starting at once.

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

Maybe you should think a little bit before you post this kind of thing...I can sort of understand folk making off-the-cuff comments but maybe just think beforehand about the consequences of being glib & insensitive?

My ex father in law (RIP) might have had a different view to yours, when he found himself being taken in to hospital, after testing positive for Covid, before he was put on a ventilator, followed by kidney failure before he passed away

I suppose you think a few Lemsip cold and flu tablets may have saved him though?  

I think the point the poster was trying to make was that influenza is a very serious disease that kills vast numbers of people all over the world every year especially the elderly or medically vulnerable, so lemsip would not stop that either.

Any loss of life is sad, and commiserations for your father in law, but the number of hospital admissions or deaths due to covid is not enough to take away our liberties in my view.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I think the point the poster was trying to make was that influenza is a very serious disease that kills vast numbers of people all over the world every year especially the elderly or medically vulnerable, so lemsip would not stop that either.

Any loss of life is sad, and commiserations for your father in law, but the number of hospital admissions or deaths due to covid is not enough to take away our liberties in my view.

Like me you have expressed your Own vulnerability but there comes a time when we have to put that aside, stop thinking about saving the NHS and elderly as the priority and think about having a society for the kids to inherit. There are people who are still genuinely scared stiff. There are also those who would use Covid as a means to an end to destroy capitalism and/or to bring down the current government regardless of what may replace it. Very often they will use seemingly reasonable arguments about infection spread to make their point. If you are a relative of a sufferer or a parent of a school age child then the words of a union leader may well influence your opinion. However if we simply look at the state of town centres and read the redundancy figures there is a whole different picture.

Football is an industry in that respect and the sooner it gets back to normal the better, economically and psychologically. It will require people with common sense and the guts to fight off the naysayers and chickens though.

Quoted from supertown

The whole point of the posters comment was about the 6 fingers , he even put two emoji hands with 6 fingers showing . You just stated the obvious with your reply

We must be looking at different posts All I can see is one black five fingered hand and something else too small for me to tell what it is

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Like me you have expressed your Own vulnerability but there comes a time when we have to put that aside, stop thinking about saving the NHS and elderly as the priority and think about having a society for the kids to inherit. There are people who are still genuinely scared stiff. There are also those who would use Covid as a means to an end to destroy capitalism and/or to bring down the current government regardless of what may replace it. Very often they will use seemingly reasonable arguments about infection spread to make their point. If you are a relative of a sufferer or a parent of a school age child then the words of a union leader may well influence your opinion. However if we simply look at the state of town centres and read the redundancy figures there is a whole different picture.

Football is an industry in that respect and the sooner it gets back to normal the better, economically and psychologically. It will require people with common sense and the guts to fight off the naysayers and chickens though.

If you want to offer your life at the alter of capitalism then go for it. I prefer to believe that life is more than being a human economic money generator. May I suggest that you read "The Deficit Myth" by Stephanie Kelton - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Deficit-Myth-Monetary-Peoples-Economy/dp/1541736184 before getting so het up about a society for kids to inherit.

The Government were seriously unprepared to deal with Covid.  As were most developed countries.  A study a couple of years ago ranked the USA and the UK as the top 2 countries to deal with a pandemic.

We know how that went!

The Government made critical mistakes.  Of timing, judgements, consistency and integrity.  However, hindsight is a wonderful thing. They were faced with an unknown world threat in severity, longevity and the impact on people.

There was no time to spend 2 years on a steering group discussion options and writing papers to be debated in parliament.   We have the politicians that we elected and/ or deserved.

SAGE were offering advice that included deaths of up to 500,000.  it is a brave Government that ignores this.  (Some of the leading SAGE advisors had been discredited in previous years for making widely inaccurate forecasts of death tolls and gloom).

In future years, I think studies will show that the 250,000 people delayed cancer diagnosis or treatment is a long-term health risk causing more deaths and illness than Covid.  That is just one illness.  Again, with hindsight the government did not know the outcome of Covid. The impact on jobs and the economy is incalculable and very critical.  

Sweden is interesting.   A smaller country with a more compliant population.  They were asked to self-regulate in a sensible, healthy manner.  I do not think that this country has enough sensible people to make this approach work.

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

If you want to offer your life at the alter of capitalism then go for it. I prefer to believe that life is more than being a human economic money generator. May I suggest that you read "The Deficit Myth" by Stephanie Kelton - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Deficit-Myth-Monetary-Peoples-Economy/dp/1541736184 before getting so het up about a society for kids to inherit.

Life is indeed precious, but so is the way we live it.

Economic ruin means disaster for our way of life.

We flattened the curve, we saved the NHS and now we need to return to normal life with those at most risk, including myself taking extra care

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Life is indeed precious, but so is the way we live it.

Economic ruin means disaster for our way of life.

We flattened the curve, we saved the NHS and now we need to return to normal life with those at most risk, including myself taking extra care

Read or listen to the book I quoted above and then come back with a proper argument, because economic ruin is a false argument.

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

Read or listen to the book I quoted above and then come back with a proper argument, because economic ruin is a false argument.

Tell all the people that are pushed into poverty and out of work how it's a false argument. There's a chance my company won't exist in 12 months time and it has been making record profits every year for 10 years until this happened. Millions of people globally are going to die as a result of the economic impact, I expect more than actually die of the virus. Yes, we need to protect the vulnerable, but we don't need society to shut down completely for it to happen.

Quoted from LH

Hand sanitiser doesn’t go as far in Scunthorpe so it can be difficult to remain covid safe. ✋☝️

This one , the one you quoted

Quoted from pen penfras

Tell all the people that are pushed into poverty and out of work how it's a false argument. There's a chance my company won't exist in 12 months time and it has been making record profits every year for 10 years until this happened. Millions of people globally are going to die as a result of the economic impact, I expect more than actually die of the virus. Yes, we need to protect the vulnerable, but we don't need society to shut down completely for it to happen.

Reality has never been a strong point of the denier argument. They seem to have fixated on a notion we can simply turn a consumer economy on its head and pay folks to work from home unless they are in a service industry, forgetting it is the money from companies like yours that has so far financed things like paid leave directly or indirectly. But how long can that go on? Oh I know, let’s do some “easing”, we don’t need cash or collateral for that do we?  That situation is bad enough for us but I bet places like China won’t stand for it for long and that is what will make the worldwide difference.

Quoted from pen penfras

Tell all the people that are pushed into poverty and out of work how it's a false argument. There's a chance my company won't exist in 12 months time and it has been making record profits every year for 10 years until this happened. Millions of people globally are going to die as a result of the economic impact, I expect more than actually die of the virus. Yes, we need to protect the vulnerable, but we don't need society to shut down completely for it to happen.

Sorry, perhaps my previous post was rather flippant. However, the point is that the government could (and should imho) be supporting your business until the pandemic is over. The common belief that the government cannot afford to do so, because it will increase the deficit (and saddle RRFC's grand children with the debt) is the myth part, and this is explained in the book I referenced. The author of the book and many other progressive economists around the world, see Modern Monetary Theory as the only way forward. This is not some crackpot "lefty" view, it has been thoroughly analysed by many economists worldwide.

As an example, the Treasury issued 330 billion pounds of bonds/gilts after the financial crisis. These were then bought up by the Bank of England, so the government (which owns the Bank of England) owes itself 330 billion - so basically it's a paper exercise that has no effect on anyone.

The costs of all the government schemes related to Covid support is around 10-12% of the £330 billion previously created, and there is no good reason (other than Political Ideology) why they could not continue to support people and businesses affected by Covid. However, they would rather smash the economy and have record unemployment levels for the next few years than admit that having a "on-paper" deficit doesn't cause any problems at all.

I'm sure nobody on here will take my word for it, so read the book I mentioned or start reading up on Modern Monetary Theory.

Quoted from supertown

This one , the one you quoted

Thats the one, it only looks like one hand with 5 fingers to me (I haven't a clue what the other thingy is)

[quote=1497
The author of the book and many other progressive economists around the world, see Modern Monetary Theory as the only way forward. This is not some crackpot "lefty" view, it has been thoroughly analysed by many economists worldwide.

As an example, the Treasury issued 330 billion pounds of bonds/gilts after the financial crisis. These were then bought up by the Bank of England, so the government (which owns the Bank of England) owes itself 330 billion - so basically it's a paper exercise that has no effect on anyone.

The costs of all the government schemes related to Covid support is around 10-12% of the £330 billion previously created, and there is no good reason (other than Political Ideology) why they could not continue to support people and businesses affected by Covid.
I'm sure nobody on here will take my word for it, so read the book I mentioned or start reading up on Modern Monetary Theory.


[/quote]

I’m fairly certain Governments printing money endlessly has been tried a few times over the years.  Sometimes it doesn’t end well.

Not suggesting that we do endlessly print money, because that would cause inflation. However, even economists opposed to MMT admit that it causes no problems at all when inflation is running at zero percent and the economy is in a deep recession, which we are likely to be for the foreseeable future.

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

Sorry, perhaps my previous post was rather flippant. However, the point is that the government could (and should imho) be supporting your business until the pandemic is over. The common belief that the government cannot afford to do so, because it will increase the deficit (and saddle RRFC's grand children with the debt) is the myth part, and this is explained in the book I referenced. The author of the book and many other progressive economists around the world, see Modern Monetary Theory as the only way forward. This is not some crackpot "lefty" view, it has been thoroughly analysed by many economists worldwide.

As an example, the Treasury issued 330 billion pounds of bonds/gilts after the financial crisis. These were then bought up by the Bank of England, so the government (which owns the Bank of England) owes itself 330 billion - so basically it's a paper exercise that has no effect on anyone.

The costs of all the government schemes related to Covid support is around 10-12% of the £330 billion previously created, and there is no good reason (other than Political Ideology) why they could not continue to support people and businesses affected by Covid. However, they would rather smash the economy and have record unemployment levels for the next few years than admit that having a "on-paper" deficit doesn't cause any problems at all.

I'm sure nobody on here will take my word for it, so read the book I mentioned or start reading up on Modern Monetary Theory.

This is only half of the issue. Anyone can print money and keep an artificial economy going on furloughs and benefits. That is not hard. The other half of it is the actual jobs lost permanently because the demand for them will never come back, the impact on a consumer society that needs a supply of consumables to survive and the personal, social and psychological impacts of keeping people isolated for a very prolonged period.

We have people who want to keep the status quo for a variety of reasons. Some are genuinely frightened, some are doing OK with a nice home working balance and a better income without a commute, some are jus keen to see the government fall at every hurdle. These are more important than money printing and they need resolving fast. It is not enough to keep saying we follow the science, we have to follow our noses and take responsibility for ourselves and stop using Covid as a useful coverall excuse for everything from football to classrooms.

The coming unemployment crisis will be a result of government ideology and nothing more. Hundreds of billions of pounds has been created out of thin air and used to prop up the likes of Harvester and Starbucks.

There is plenty of work to DO in this country - a housing crisis, coming environmental disaster, crumbling national infrastructure. The right thing to do would be to create decent, secure, long-term employment in these industries.

What you’ll get is the propping up of a failing economic model based on services and rent seeking because that’s where the biggest margins can be made and it keeps the proles in their place.

Quoted from ska face

The coming unemployment crisis will be a result of government ideology and nothing more. Hundreds of billions of pounds has been created out of thin air and used to prop up the likes of Harvester and Starbucks.

There is plenty of work to DO in this country - a housing crisis, coming environmental disaster, crumbling national infrastructure. The right thing to do would be to create decent, secure, long-term employment in these industries.

What you’ll get is the propping up of a failing economic model based on services and rent seeking because that’s where the biggest margins can be made and it keeps the proles in their place.

OK argue that. Your privilege. We can have an election on it if you want. Just don’t use Covid as an excuse for doing it like the head of the Civil Service union was doing the other day..

The next few months going into the winter months will be critical. It could easily be a repeat of the first wave but without the weather of April and May that slowed the virus in its tracks . Things could get far worse before the world’s population is safe again .

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

OK argue that. Your privilege. We can have an election on it if you want. Just don’t use Covid as an excuse for doing it like the head of the Civil Service union was doing the other day..

Is there something wrong with wanting people to have secure, well paid jobs that benefit the country? I must be missing something.

Quoted from Ipswin

Thats the one, it only looks like one hand with 5 fingers to me (I haven't a clue what the other thingy is)

I’m guessing your emoji app needs  updating

Quoted from supertown

I’m guessing your emoji app needs  updating

No thanks, don't use 'em, rather naff I think.

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

The next few months going into the winter months will be critical. It could easily be a repeat of the first wave but without the weather of April and May that slowed the virus in its tracks . Things could get far worse before the world’s population is safe again .

Maybe but they will start to treat it like flu rather than how we are treating it now . And yes people will die.

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

The next few months going into the winter months will be critical. It could easily be a repeat of the first wave but without the weather of April and May that slowed the virus in its tracks . Things could get far worse before the world’s population is safe again .

The government had better not intercourse it up again, they've had plenty of notice and practice. No excuses after all much of the reason for the 'second wave' will be relaxing lockdown too soon and too widely (why they had to open pubs I really don't know) See the GET photos of Saturday night out in Seaview Street to see a total lack of social distancing

Quoted from ska face

The coming unemployment crisis will be a result of government ideology and nothing more. Hundreds of billions of pounds has been created out of thin air and used to prop up the likes of Harvester and Starbucks.

There is plenty of work to DO in this country - a housing crisis, coming environmental disaster, crumbling national infrastructure. The right thing to do would be to create decent, secure, long-term employment in these industries.

What you’ll get is the propping up of a failing economic model based on services and rent seeking because that’s where the biggest margins can be made and it keeps the proles in their place.

They must have found that mythical magic money tree.