Elliott Whitehouse

Can anyone shed any light here? I do not remember anything mentioned at the time.

[url]https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2020/april/fa-statement---elliott-whitehouse/[/url]

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Grimsby Town FC’s Elliott Whitehouse has been charged with a breach of FA Rule E3.

It is alleged that the midfielder used abusive and/or insulting words, which are contrary to FA Rule E3(1), towards a Northampton Town FC player during the 72nd minute of an EFL League Two fixture on 23 November 2019. It is further alleged that the words constitute an “aggravated breach”, which is defined in FA Rule E3(2), as they included a reference to race and/or ethnic origin and/or nationality.

Elliott Whitehouse has until 4 May 2020 to provide a response.

No further comment will be made regarding the matter at this time.

He got fouled by Scott Wharton in the 72nd minute, some reaction to that? [url]https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50442937[/url]

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72'
Elliott Whitehouse (Grimsby Town) wins a free kick in the attacking half.


72'
Foul by Scott Wharton (Northampton Town).

Quoted from pizzzza

Can anyone shed any light here? I do not remember anything mentioned at the time.

[url]https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2020/april/fa-statement---elliott-whitehouse/[/url]



He got fouled by Scott Wharton in the 72nd minute, some reaction to that? [url]https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50442937[/url]

Absolutely disgraceful, he should be banned from all football for two months from 8th March

He will have played with Wharton at Lincoln. Odd.

No idea what's gone on (and I wouldn't like to speculate), but I'm guessing he'll be getting a lengthy-ish ban (I can't remember an FA charge ever ending up as 'not guilty'?)

Quoted from 140381

He will have played with Wharton at Lincoln. Odd.

I’m sure we’ve all worked with people we’d (like to) call a twohat

Both the same ethinisity, race and nationality. So I am confused.
Can anyone explain what he could have said?

This happened 5 months ago. How can it take so long to charge him????

It's getting a joke now did he really say something so bad and outrageous it hurt and was clearly a barbed racist remark to the person involved??  It's all one way can anyone honestly say it's only ever one way just white versus every other colour and ethnicity because that just doesn't add up can't only ever be 100% one way.  Paul Elliott got sacked from his fa ethnicity role for calling Richard rufas the n word and in his defence it was ok for black on black to say it. Whole system a joke sorry

Quoted from 1098

It's getting a joke now did he really say something so bad and outrageous it hurt and was clearly a barbed racist remark to the person involved??  It's all one way can anyone honestly say it's only ever one way just white versus every other colour and ethnicity because that just doesn't add up can't only ever be 100% one way.  Paul Elliott got sacked from his fa ethnicity role for calling Richard rufas the n word and in his defence it was ok for black on black to say it. Whole system a joke sorry

Have you read the previous comments? Clearly not taken any notice if you have.

Quoted from BackHeelTony

This happened 5 months ago. How can it take so long to charge him????

This is what I don't understand either. In the case of the Leeds goalkeeper who was banned fairly recently, the incident was in a game on September 28 and the charge was publicised in early November. I'm not suggesting that things haven't been done properly for one moment, because I have no reason to do so. It just seems odd to me that a charge relating to an incident on November 23 has only become public knowledge at 5pm today.

Quoted from BackHeelTony

This happened 5 months ago. How can it take so long to charge him????

Have you been in a coma for the past month or so?

Quoted from 1098

It's getting a joke now did he really say something so bad and outrageous it hurt and was clearly a barbed racist remark to the person involved??  It's all one way can anyone honestly say it's only ever one way just white versus every other colour and ethnicity because that just doesn't add up can't only ever be 100% one way.  Paul Elliott got sacked from his fa ethnicity role for calling Richard rufas the n word and in his defence it was ok for black on black to say it. Whole system a joke sorry

I’ve got a DeLorean if you want to go back to 1824?

Quoted from 1098

It's getting a joke now did he really say something so bad and outrageous it hurt and was clearly a barbed racist remark to the person involved??  It's all one way can anyone honestly say it's only ever one way just white versus every other colour and ethnicity because that just doesn't add up can't only ever be 100% one way.  Paul Elliott got sacked from his fa ethnicity role for calling Richard rufas the n word and in his defence it was ok for black on black to say it. Whole system a joke sorry

I am also assuming one of your best mates is black.

Quoted from LH

Have you been in a coma for the past month or so?

What's that supposed to mean?

Quoted from 1098

It's getting a joke now did he really say something so bad and outrageous it hurt and was clearly a barbed racist remark to the person involved??  It's all one way can anyone honestly say it's only ever one way just white versus every other colour and ethnicity because that just doesn't add up can't only ever be 100% one way.  Paul Elliott got sacked from his fa ethnicity role for calling Richard rufas the n word and in his defence it was ok for black on black to say it. Whole system a joke sorry

Yes agreed, the ‘system’ needs a complete overhaul, and clearly you’re the man for the job my friend.

I recently got sent off in the normally very friendly Charlotte Over 50s League. I blocked the run of a striker who took some umbrage and punched me. I said “what are you doing you silly flipping Scottish twit” He got a red for punching me, mine was for racist abuse!!!
Had I just called him a silly flipping twit they’d have been fine with it, but it turns out you can’t call some one who has just punched you a silly flipping Scottish twit.

Back to the OP, I’ve no clue what Whitehouse said but if it was racist then he deserves it, just as I did.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

I recently got sent off in the normally very friendly Charlotte Over 50s League. I blocked the run of a striker who took some umbrage and punched me. I said “what are you doing you silly flipping Scottish twit” He got a red for punching me, mine was for racist abuse!!!
Had I just called him a silly flipping twit they’d have been fine with it, but it turns out you can’t call some one who has just punched you a silly flipping Scottish twit.

Back to the OP, I’ve no clue what Whitehouse said but if it was racist then he deserves it, just as I did.

If the individual from north of the border was white then aren't we born south of the border and white the same race?

It does seem a little odd that it has taken until what would pretty much the end of the season for this to come to light.

Regardless of current climate, it’s a bloody long time to essentially just bring the charge. He’s got to answer it now...

It’s as clear as mud what it’s actually for too and what he’s said blah blah. Either way I expect a lengthy ban...

What's the standard ban for racist abuse? 8 matches? We have 9 matches left. Whitehouse is out of contract in the summer.

On the one hand it's probably unfair that FA only require "balance of probability" of guilt rather than actual proof. But on the other hand racism and all forms of discrimination in society are still a major problem and the FA need to police football accordingly. It's tough.

Clearly the match officials didn't hear the alleged comments or Whitehouse would have been given a red card.

Just a thought. The "ethnic origin" part of FA Rule E3(2) could include comments relating to being a gypsy/traveller or of gypsy/traveller decent. I have no idea what EW is alleged to have said, but the rule covers more than just calling someone a "black whatever" or "the Frenchman".

Quoted from golfer

If somebody asked me what i said 5 months ago i wouldn't have a clue

You're under the impression that Whitehouse & the club were totally unaware of the allegation until the FA charged Whitehouse?

[quote=129260]If somebody asked me what i said 5 months ago i wouldn't have a clue /quote]

This is what is so frustrating and embarrassing about the delay.

Delay similar to the leeds goalie incident to the Charlton player on loan at WBA.

Surely the time limits should be strict and any delays just undermine the severity of a race related charge.  As above, how can I take 6 months to bring this forward? It makes people question the fa's credibility. And no details released re what it even is!?

Quoted from EY Mariner

This is what I don't understand either. In the case of the Leeds goalkeeper who was banned fairly recently, the incident was in a game on September 28 and the charge was publicised in early November. I'm not suggesting that things haven't been done properly for one moment, because I have no reason to do so. It just seems odd to me that a charge relating to an incident on November 23 has only become public knowledge at 5pm today.

The Leeds keeper was banned despite the fact they didn't prove he said anything. Absolutely scandalous IMO. They'll go after Whitehouse until he is tarred, feathered and they will not ever relent. It doesn't matter if he's guilty or not.

Are you sure that the buffet botherers at the FA aren’t getting confused with the deranged racist in the White House?

Quoted from fishboyUTM

The Leeds keeper was banned despite the fact they didn't prove he said anything. Absolutely scandalous IMO. They'll go after Whitehouse until he is tarred, feathered and they will not ever relent. It doesn't matter if he's guilty or not.

I would imagine whether he is guilty or not might be quite significant.  Call it a hunch.

Will be interesting to see how Ollie reacts to the charge for EW? From listening to his words of wisdom, both historically and in his current position, he doesn't like his players stepping out of line. One thing he has previously spoken out about is that he hates racism in football.

Ill just get my deckchair out and lay back and wait for the excrement to hit the oscillating unit.

Quoted from 1098

It's getting a joke now did he really say something so bad and outrageous it hurt and was clearly a barbed racist remark to the person involved??  It's all one way can anyone honestly say it's only ever one way just white versus every other colour and ethnicity because that just doesn't add up can't only ever be 100% one way.  Paul Elliott got sacked from his fa ethnicity role for calling Richard rufas the n word and in his defence it was ok for black on black to say it. Whole system a joke sorry

Wilberforce be with you

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Wilberforce be with you

Superb!

Quoted from smokey111

I would imagine whether he is guilty or not might be quite significant.  Call it a hunch.

It didn't seem to matter for the Leeds keeper.

He will not play in the Football League after this, his pace more suited to National League. Only seen a handful of decent performances.

Quoted from 28195

He will not play in the Football League after this, his pace more suited to National League. Only seen a handful of decent performances.

Yes, best he can hope if found guilty is the England's Women Managers job or a coaching role at Stevenage.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/52341296

For all you Leary sods who think I'm spouting racism and none of u know me. This is what I meant by equality. This got a slight mention on BBc sport nothing on sky sports. If fury had said that  the other way round the world would stop turning

I would imagine the club and IH have been well aware of this for some time. Whitehouse being offered a new deal or not will have nothing to do with this.

Quoted from 1098

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/52341296

For all you Leary sods who think I'm spouting racism and none of u know me. This is what I meant by equality. This got a slight mention on BBc sport nothing on sky sports. If fury had said that  the other way round the world would stop turning

I think you will find this got/is getting plenty of coverage in America. Fury got castigated in the British press for some of his extreme views. As did Saunders recently. Quite rightly so.

Don't hide behind one carefully selected international news story.

Where is it on sky sports news??? Yes fury got in trouble that's my whole point he says it and every paper social media man and his dog jump all over it. Would be breaking news on sky sports but this nah nothing to say here. I'll check coverage in USA tho before commenting on future tho cheers for the tip don't want to miss the point and look stupid. Let's see what happens with this eh

Carefully selected lol went as far back as err last night

Fair point. Let's just see what comes out in the wash. We can both pontificate, but neither of us know that much about the particular case (Whitehouse). It would be pure speculation on my part.

Yeah fair point. What gets me is my best mate has always been known as fat ginger smithy which tbh he is but all his life he has had that labeled at him but has he complained, no not once just laughs it off and that's 3 discriminatory words labeled at him. Do people really get offended by a word???

Quoted from 1098

Yeah fair point. What gets me is my best mate has always been known as fat ginger smithy which tbh he is but all his life he has had that labeled at him but has he complained, no not once just laughs it off and that's 3 discriminatory words labeled at him. Do people really get offended by a word???

I can see fat and ginger being potentially discriminatory but what is the third one there?

Also most people are offended by words. If you aren't that's fine, but if someone is rude / offensive to your kids, parents, mates etc most normal people get offended.

I'm happy to keep on open mind till the facts emerge about Whitehouse.

Many years ago I did an ACAS course on diversity and inclusion that covered such things as racism.in the workplace, I asked about calling Scottish people "Jock". Apparently that is racist as it refers to a persons race. I then asked about calling someone "yorkie". That is not racist since it doesn't refer to a persons race, just the region where they where born.

There was a case they were mediating, where a Muslin was asked to work with a gay man. The Muslim refused because it was against his religious views,as homosexuality was a sin, and the gay man then complained he was being victimised because of his sexual orientation..

So, I get called fat little bad headed old twit, and that's alright, I shouldn't be offended, but I cannot call Jock by that name anymore.

You couldn't make it up.

Quoted from mimma

Many years ago I did an ACAS course on diversity and inclusion that covered such things as racism.in the workplace, I asked about calling Scottish people "Jock". Apparently that is racist as it refers to a persons race. I then asked about calling someone "yorkie". That is not racist since it doesn't refer to a persons race, just the region where they where born.

There was a case they were mediating, where a Muslin was asked to work with a gay man. The Muslim refused because it was against his religious views,as homosexuality was a sin, and the gay man then complained he was being victimised because of his sexual orientation..

So, I get called fat little bad headed old twit, and that's alright, I shouldn't be offended, but I cannot call Jock by that name anymore.

You couldn't make it up.

I don't think being Scottish is classed as a race,

Quoted from mimma

Many years ago I did an ACAS course on diversity and inclusion that covered such things as racism.in the workplace, I asked about calling Scottish people "Jock". Apparently that is racist as it refers to a persons race. I then asked about calling someone "yorkie". That is not racist since it doesn't refer to a persons race, just the region where they where born.

There was a case they were mediating, where a Muslin was asked to work with a gay man. The Muslim refused because it was against his religious views,as homosexuality was a sin, and the gay man then complained he was being victimised because of his sexual orientation..

So, I get called fat little bad headed old twit, and that's alright, I shouldn't be offended, but I cannot call Jock by that name anymore.

You couldn't make it up.

Given your description of yourself I would imagine 'political correctness' would be the least of your worries.

And they are the more polite things I get called!!

Scotland is a country so calling a Scot jock is classed as a derogatory term for someone who is Scottish.

It's an absolute minefield and his open to abuse. If a yank calls me limey I'm sueing the @rse of him!

Quoted from mimma

Many years ago I did an ACAS course on diversity and inclusion that covered such things as racism.in the workplace, I asked about calling Scottish people "Jock". Apparently that is racist as it refers to a persons race. I then asked about calling someone "yorkie". That is not racist since it doesn't refer to a persons race, just the region where they where born.

.

Whatever you do don't call anyone a Jap, I found that to my cost

Quoted from 1098

Yeah fair point. What gets me is my best mate has always been known as fat ginger smithy

With friends like you who needs enemies! Funnily enough there was a lad we used to know who's surname was Smith, we just called him Smithy.

Quoted from pizzzza

With friends like you who needs enemies! Funnily enough there was a lad we used to know who's surname was Smith, we just called him Smithy.

Ah yes, but presumably he wasn't fat and / or a ginger

Quoted from arryarryarry

I don't think being Scottish is classed as a race,

No,it's classed as an affliction

Quoted from arryarryarry

I don't think being Scottish is classed as a race,

But would they be classed as a race if the gained independance ? Where does the definition of race begin and end ? Are you allowed to called people from a close European country "an amphibian " (got to be careful how I word this or I will be accused of racism ). My father always called people from a Teutonic type country " pickled cabbage " -is that racist. How about Australians calling us " poms "?. The whole thing is getting out of hand and very silly.

Quoted from Ipswin

Whatever you do don't call anyone a Jap, I found that to my cost

Come on, tell us.....

Quoted from Ipswin

Ah yes, but presumably he wasn't fat and / or a ginger

Average build I'd say and brown hair, the point is that we did not call him Average, Brown-haired Smithy

Quoted from 1098

Yeah fair point. What gets me is my best mate has always been known as fat ginger smithy which tbh he is but all his life he has had that labeled at him but has he complained, no not once just laughs it off and that's 3 discriminatory words labeled at him. Do people really get offended by a word???

Yes. If someone called you a c.unt would you be happy? Would someone calling you an English c.unt be water off a ducks back to you?

When I played football in my teens I was called chunky ,

The reporter for the Findus news letter never called anybody else in the team by a nickname only me,

Should I have been offended ?

Quoted from pizzzza

Average build I'd say and brown hair, the point is that we did not call him Average, Brown-haired Smithy

Exactly, where's the fun in that?

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Yes. If someone called you a c.unt would you be happy? Would someone calling you an English c.unt be water off a ducks back to you?

I would not be offended to be called a c.unt, after all its been happening for years, however prefacing it with 'English' I would regard as totally unnecessary. A c.unt's a c.unt whatever his nationallity (note its a nationality not a race) Bit like the Japs really

Sam Finley has been suspended for eight matches, fined £850 and must attend face-to-face education following a breach of FA Rule E3.
The Accrington Stanley FC midfielder admitted using abusive or insulting language during the 23rd minute of an EFL League One fixture against Rochdale AFC on Wednesday 1 January 2020. The language used was contrary to FA Rule E3(1) and constituted an ‘aggravated breach’, which is defined in FA Rule E3(2), as it included a reference to nationality.

Evidently he called a Rochdale player of Irish descent a traveller.

I understand that we need to eliminate offensive racial name calling , but surely violent conduct is a much greater crime.

The sentence seems ridiculously disproportionate. I remember Graham Rathbone getting eight weeks for violent conduct when he was being made an example of, but subsequent offenders with far greater violence have got much more lenient punishment.

I fear the worst for Elliot.

On the bright side Elliott is a ginger himself so can claim mitigation and years of persecution which may allow the FA to show him some leniency 😄😄

Quoted from Ipswin

I would not be offended to be called a c.unt, after all its been happening for years, however prefacing it with 'English' I would regard as totally unnecessary. A c.unt's a c.unt whatever his nationallity (note its a nationality not a race) Bit like the Japs really

I believe you even named yourself a c.unt once 😄. prefacing it with ‘English’ isn’t so much unnecessary as the whole point in the case of say something Scots or Irish. You’re a c.unt because you’re English. That’s bad and just downright offensive.

The bloke I asked hasn’t answered though. I see there’s a few who don’t like the question even yet can’t be arsed to say why. Maybe they’re offended by the question!! Yet they’re probably the first to throw out accusations of snowflakery at other people.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Yes. If someone called you a c.unt would you be happy? Would someone calling you an English c.unt be water off a ducks back to you?

It wouldn't bother me! My response would probably be just to smile at them and say something like "is that the best you can can do".

Quoted from Ipswin

Whatever you do don't call anyone a Jap, I found that to my cost

I understand this is an extremely offensive thing to call people who may look Japanese, but originate from countries in Asia, that were invaded by Japan around the 2nd World War and were subjected to the brutality and oppression.  

The Americans tend to use 'Nip' as their offensive term from the war in the Pacific. From Nippon.

Of these mildly insulting racial terms, I quite like the Chinese (maybe Cantonese?) term for westerners. 'Gweilo', which means foreign devil. They use the term in Hong Kong, without any huge malice, just the same as we would use Jap.

Quoted from Mallyner

I understand this is an extremely offensive thing to call people who may look Japanese, but originate from countries in Asia, that were invaded by Japan around the 2nd World War and were subjected to the brutality and oppression.  

Possibly, I can see that angle but I got slagged off for calling a Jap a Jap

Quoted from rancido

It wouldn't bother me! My response would probably be just to smile at them and say something like "is that the best you can can do".

Worthy of Clint Eastwood.

Can someone explain the Whitehouse situation to me? havent followed it was it justicfied or farce?

No-one knows anymore than the content of the first post. (Because nothing's happened since)

Quoted from Ipswin

Possibly, I can see that angle but I got slagged off for calling a Jap a Jap

How do words get the racist connotations.  I feel Jap is mildly offensive but  it's basically an abbreviation of Japanese.   Similar to calling us a Brit.

Quoted from Mayaman

How do words get the racist connotations.  I feel Jap is mildly offensive but  it's basically an abbreviation of Japanese.   Similar to calling us a Brit.

All depends I suppose. How would you abbreviate Pakistani?

Quoted from pizzzza

All depends I suppose. How would you abbreviate Pakistani?

Clearly you know the answer to that already and you are just being a clever twit by asking

It's only come to be regarded as a racist remark because people have interpreted it as such in recent years

Quoted from Ipswin

Clearly you know the answer to that already and you are just being a clever twit by asking

It's only come to be regarded as a racist remark because people have interpreted it as such in recent years

Hmm.. 'Jap' became a term of abuse in WW2 when it was used to convey a general feeling of contempt towards the Japanese, particularly as the jungle war developed and it became apparent that allied prisoners of war were being mistreated. It was compounded by the growth of Japan's commercial exports in the 60's and 70's whereby Japanese products were perceived as being of inferior quality and the term "Jap crap" was commonly used.

There is no doubt that people of Pakistani origin see the term 'Pakistani' as a term of abuse, I've actually had that conversation with a British born friend who is of Pakistani origin. That became prevalent when right wing groups (particularly the NF) in the 60's and 70's used the term as a general term of abuse for anybody from (or descended from) the Asian subcontinent. Indians and Bangladeshis have all been called it. It is a classic piece of ignorance where racial abuse is present.

As an aside, I watched Australian TV coverage (in the early 2000s maybe) of Australia v Pakistan and some of the Australian commentators called the Pakistan team 'the Pakistanis' - I'm sure they meant it as an abbreviation as there was no hint of racial abuse but it clanged every time I heard it. Richie Benaud fastidiously called them Pakistan or The Pakistanis.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Hmm.. 'Jap' became a term of abuse in WW2 when it was used to convey a general feeling of contempt towards the Japanese, particularly as the jungle war developed and it became apparent that allied prisoners of war were being mistreated. It was compounded by the growth of Japan's commercial exports in the 60's and 70's whereby Japanese products were perceived as being of inferior quality and the term "Jap crap" was commonly used.

There is no doubt that people of Pakistani origin see the term 'Pakistani' as a term of abuse, I've actually had that conversation with a British born friend who is of Pakistani origin. That became prevalent when right wing groups (particularly the NF) in the 60's and 70's used the term as a general term of abuse for anybody from (or descended from) the Asian subcontinent. Indians and Bangladeshis have all been called it. It is a classic piece of ignorance where racial abuse is present.

As an aside, I watched Australian TV coverage (in the early 2000s maybe) of Australia v Pakistan and some of the Australian commentators called the Pakistan team 'the Pakistanis' - I'm sure they meant it as an abbreviation as there was no hint of racial abuse but it clanged every time I heard it. Richie Benaud fastidiously called them Pakistan or The Pakistanis.

Please note that the website has corrected the word that is used as racial abuse even though I'm using it in context.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

As an aside, I watched Australian TV coverage (in the early 2000s maybe) of Australia v Pakistan and some of the Australian commentators called the Pakistan team 'the Pakistanis' - I'm sure they meant it as an abbreviation as there was no hint of racial abuse but it clanged every time I heard it. Richie Benaud fastidiously called them Pakistan or The Pakistanis.

Presumably then we can't call them 'Aussies' any more?

Quoted from Ipswin

Presumably then we can't call them 'Aussies' any more?

It's actually a good question despite it probably being a bit tongue in cheek. Often racism (as well as sexism, ageism etc) is based on the impact a word or phrase has on the recipient. As well as the intention of the 'abuser' in using the term.

Aussie is not a racist term as Australians describe themselves as Aussies, they call their country Aussie and it is a well used term that has no racist overtones to it. It could be construed as a racist term if you called someone a "f*cking Aussie c*nt" but that would depend on the recipient. The other factor with Australians is that a large proportion of them are white and the majority of racism in the UK is aimed at people of non-white origin.

Sociologically racism is based in most cases on a fear or ignorance of 'others' ie those that are different to the host group, a belief that the host group is somehow superior and a need to 'protect' the host group from intrusion from the 'others'. In modern times it also has a lot to do with a lack of education, intolerance and the scapegoating of 'other' groups for the ills within the host group.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

It's actually a good question despite it probably being a bit tongue in cheek. Often racism (as well as sexism, ageism etc) is based on the impact a word or phrase has on the recipient. As well as the intention of the 'abuser' in using the term.

Aussie is not a racist term as Australians describe themselves as Aussies, they call their country Aussie and it is a well used term that has no racist overtones to it. It could be construed as a racist term if you called someone a "f*cking Aussie c*nt" but that would depend on the recipient. The other factor with Australians is that a large proportion of them are white and the majority of racism in the UK is aimed at people of non-white origin.

Sociologically racism is based in most cases on a fear or ignorance of 'others' ie those that are different to the host group, a belief that the host group is somehow superior and a need to 'protect' the host group from intrusion from the 'others'. In modern times it also has a lot to do with a lack of education, intolerance and the scapegoating of 'other' groups for the ills within the host group.

You are right of course and I suggest the main reason why the term 'Pakistani' is so frowned upon now is that it was (is) so often accompanied by the word 'illegitimate' or such like

Now where do we stand with 'Eyetie'?

Quoted from Ipswin

Presumably then we can't call them 'Aussies' any more?

Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi!

Think it was a chant created by the Aussies during the 2000 Olympics so I think you’ll be ok.

But then again, clearly you know the answer to that and are just be a clever twit by asking. Now where did I hear that just recently?

Quoted from AussieMariner

Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi!

Think it was a chant created by the Aussies during the 2000 Olympics so I think you’ll be ok.

But then again, clearly you know the answer to that and are just be a clever twit by asking. Now where did I hear that just recently?

Not at all I merely wanted to ask why, whilst Pakistani and Jap, both shortened versions of the nationality / country's name are frowned upon, Aussie totally acceptable

It seems the politically correct brigade strike again. As an aside to this I put a post on FB yesterday about Trump suggesting injecting disinfectant. All I did was call both him, and the Americans who will no doubt try it and die because of it, stupid.

Within 30 minutes I got a message from FB accusing me of hate speech!

I thought people were allowed to speak the truth? Obviously not!

Big brother is watching all of us

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

It seems the politically correct brigade strike again. As an aside to this I put a post on FB yesterday about Trump suggesting injecting disinfectant. All I did was call both him, and the Americans who will no doubt try it and die because of it, stupid.

Within 30 minutes I got a message from FB accusing me of hate speech!

I thought people were allowed to speak the truth? Obviously not!

Big brother is watching all of us

Yeah but exactly did you say? ‘The Americans’ means all Americans. Tarring 300 million people with the same brush. You do realise that FB is a private company that can decide not to publish something they don’t like and is an American company to boot?

A bit like writing to the Grim Tel and expecting them to publish a letter saying ‘the Grimbarians, who will no doubt allow their dogs to crap on the pavement and not clean it up’. Actually I take that back, because the GT would publish that now as click bait.

Quoted from Ipswin

Not at all I merely wanted to ask why, whilst Pakistani and Jap, both shortened versions of the nationality / country's name are frowned upon, Aussie totally acceptable

You raise some valid questions that the PC brigade will tie themselves into knots trying to answer.

A lot depends about when you were born and what was the correct interpretation at the time.

When I was younger it was frowned upon calling someone black. We were told to use a person of colour.  Now it's back to black - it's just fashion dictating what we can or cannot say.

If a person using a shortened name for a group of people does not mean it to be racist then it isn't. The recipient can find fault in anything you say if they want to.

I have seen people striving to say the right thing only to get it unfashionablely wrong and still get slated.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

The other factor with Australians is that a large proportion of them are white and the majority of racism in the UK is aimed at people of non-white .

Wonder if aboriginal Australians see themselves as Aussies?

Not an expert on Australia as an example, but understand it is a nation with historically a lot of immigration from different parts of Europe, as evidenced in the surnames of many Australian international footballers, thinking Viduka, Bosnich, Schwarzer, Aloisi as examples.

Utmm

The thing that gets me is a rapper can use the 'N' word and you can download it or even buy the CD (Flat shiny disc that can be used in a CD player to listen to it). But if you repeat it (sing rap along with it) you are breaking the law!

Someone please explain?

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

The thing that gets me is a rapper can use the 'N' word and you can download it or even buy the CD (Flat shiny disc that can be used in a CD player to listen to it). But if you repeat it (sing rap along with it) you are breaking the law!

Someone please explain?

If you rap along with such a track it is not breaking the law. If you are stopped at a set of traffic lights and started shouting it out directly at someone black in a deliberately provocative manner then it is breaking the law and understandably so.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

The thing that gets me is a rapper can use the 'N' word and you can download it or even buy the CD (Flat shiny disc that can be used in a CD player to listen to it). But if you repeat it (sing rap along with it) you are breaking the law!

Someone please explain?

You should try listening to some hip-hop. If you want to dip your toes into some softer stuff try The Roots, Jurassic 5, The Pharcyde or Jay Electronica. You might be pleasantly surprised.

I'm glad all the Honky McCrackersons are on hand to explain to us all what's racist and what isn't? 😎

Can I throw a hand grenade into this conservation?

How does the MOBO awards get past rasicm laws? It stands for music of black origin. What would happen if I started one for music of white origin?

The point I am making is that racism laws seem to be one way.

Poor old whitey can't catch a break.

Quoted from mimma

Can I throw a hand grenade into this conservation?

How does the MOBO awards get past rasicm laws? It stands for music of black origin. What would happen if I started one for music of white origin?

The point I am making is that racism laws seem to be one way.

My understanding was that the MOBOs were set-up due to the prevalence of (predominantly) white guitar led indie music in the early to mid 90s. Most of the non-grunge/shoegaze/indie/Britpop artists releasing music in that period were either US rap or slushy US R&B. Record labels still mainly controlled the charts at that point, so it was very difficult for any UK hip-hop, rap or R&B to break through and enjoy commercial success.

Nearly twenty-five years on, I think the title and actual purpose of the event is clumsy (and pointless) but it was never established to be an exclusively black awards event (indeed, two of the first three ‘best album’ winners were ‘white’).

I’d be more worried about Mick Hucknall winning the honorary MOBO prize in 1997 rather than any perceived discrimination against me a white male.

Quoted from mimma

Can I throw a hand grenade into this conservation?

How does the MOBO awards get past rasicm laws? It stands for music of black origin. What would happen if I started one for music of white origin?

The point I am making is that racism laws seem to be one way.

Plus if you did have a MOWO awards, what would be in it? Wagner and Elgar?

For further context, we were only a couple of year’s on from football fans chucking Chiquitas at black footballers, the Stephen Lawrence murder, and the creation of the awards coincided with the acquittal of the same murdering b@stards in the private prosecution in 1996.  

If you were young and black in the early to mid 90s, it is no surprise that you felt let down by the system.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Plus if you did have a MOWO awards, what would be in it? Wagner and Elgar?

Country & Western too. 🤠  Exciting stuff. Can't wait for them MOWO's.

Quoted from Manchester Mariner

Country & Western too. 🤠  Exciting stuff. Can't wait for them MOWO's.

😂

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Yeah but exactly did you say? ‘The Americans’ means all Americans. Tarring 300 million people with the same brush. You do realise that FB is a private company that can decide not to publish something they don’t like and is an American company to boot?

A bit like writing to the Grim Tel and expecting them to publish a letter saying ‘the Grimbarians, who will no doubt allow their dogs to crap on the pavement and not clean it up’. Actually I take that back, because the GT would publish that now as click bait.

No I was very specific in not tarring all Americans with the same brush. I only mentioned those who would be stupid enough to follow Trumps suggestions.

Quoted from mimma

Can I throw a hand grenade into this conservation?

How does the MOBO awards get past rasicm laws? It stands for music of black origin. What would happen if I started one for music of white origin?

The point I am making is that racism laws seem to be one way.

I'm amazed there is still a Black Police Officers Association.

There would be one hell of an uproar if there was a White Police Officers Association.

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

No I was very specific in not tarring all Americans with the same brush. I only mentioned those who would be stupid enough to follow Trumps suggestions.

Be fair that's probably 95% of them  

Quoted from ex-merseymariner

Wonder if aboriginal Australians see themselves as Aussies?

Not an expert on Australia as an example, but understand it is a nation with historically a lot of immigration from different parts of Europe, as evidenced in the surnames of many Australian international footballers, thinking Viduka, Bosnich, Schwarzer, Aloisi as examples.

Utmm

Abo Aussies 🤨

It was the Italian/European immigrants who were (and probably still are) most keen on football (soccer). The Aussies duly used to call it 'Wog ball'.