Grenfell tower disaster

Quoted from Grim74

£2000 a month quoted for a flat there how do the poor afford that? Not being funny would be interested to know.

An absolutely terrible tragedy made worse by the fact that it was avoidable but I have to say I am getting thoroughly p!ssed off with all those claiming to be a) survivors and b) friends and relatives.

FFS if all those who say they are survivors really were there must have been at least 1200 or 1500 people in there rather than the 400 - 600 based on tenancy figures. Now May has offered £5M I expect the 'survivors' figure to double.

As for the friends and relatives, if half of those packing the nearby streets are genuinely missing someone then those in the tower must have come from the biggest and / or the most popular families in the country

The entire sad event is in danger of being taken over for political purposes by professional protesters and hangers-on

Quoted from chaos33

I think you are as blind to the truth as anyone I've ever come across. Aren't you hijacking the situation to make your own political point? Open your eyes man!

WTF are you talking about man I'm not making any political point! My eyes were wide open whilst watching those lefty scum bags with their socialist worker placards.

Quoted from LH

People only accuse people of politicising things when they know their politics are in the wrong.

Keep taking the tablets, Meanwhile......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....rs-take-streets-bid/

Part B of the building regs covers this. Any insulating material on the outside of a building over 18m should be " of limited combustibility" which clearly it wasn't. Part of the reason this is being politicised is because of the number of opportunities this government have had to prevent this, but havent constantly stalled on and delayed. There have been similar fires in Dubai, Melbourne and Scotland, so its not as if the issue  isn't known. But any attempt to accept there is an issue, address the problem is going to cost the government big time

http://www.frmjournal.com/news.....8D2-BEFAFBED0C606CFF

To be fair I don't want a prime minister who is going to go round hugging people, I want one who will run the country.

Let's get this clear, I don't like any of the main party's and I voted for a smaller party as kind if a protest vote.


I do however hunk that maybe May didn't go round hugging all the residents because she has a country to run that has just come out of a GE, is preparing to leave the EU and has had multiple terror attacjs in a short space of time then had that to contend with.

Look up Tony Blairs social housing improvement plan, there's a lot in their that you could blame for this disaster,

I anybody is to blame fo recent events/cuts however, blame David Cameron. May has only been in power a year and has had a lot to contend with and not much time to change anything whereas Cameron had almost 7 years.

I don't agree with corbyn using an awful event to score political points either.

Quoted from Grim74

WTF are you talking about man I'm not making any political point! My eyes were wide open whilst watching those lefty scum bags with their socialist worker placards.

Those on the far, far left are about as representative of the Labour movement as those from EDL, Britain First etc. are of theTory Party. Many of those purporting to support the SWP have been kicked out of the Labour Party at some time or another. Many more of those involved in the weekends appalling incidents were anarchists who, by definition don't believe in any political structure.

Don't know a great deal about housing policy, but I'm not quite sure which parts of the New Labour legislation could have contributed to this disaster? The Decent Homes stuff doesn't seem as though it would have made any difference? Of course, they didn't reverse Thatcher's Right to Buy stuff and so didn't build much in the way of social housing - why would you build something you were then forced to sell off at a loss a few years later? A clear failure of policy in that respect, but I don't think it would have contributed to this disaster which seems to be a lack of concern about safety or a failure of regulations.

The Tories, of course, have been keen on cutting all sorts of regulations - didn't they have some sort of ridiculous pledge to cut two regulations for every new one introduced? Whether or not this has had an impact in this case, I don't know. Here's an official government page:

https://cutting-red-tape.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/

That is asking business to tell them which regulations to cut so they can make more money. Bear in mind that many of these regulations exist to ensure public safety at the expense of business profits and you can see that actively asking businesses what they think should be cut in this way is risky, to say the least!

You'd have to say the fact that new build high-rises are legally required to have sprinklers installed (and have done so for a decade) shows their importance. Regardless of who is to blame for the lack of action/regulation, it's clear that something which is considered a safety requirement for modern buildings of this type should certainly be a requirement for older high-rises as well.

As for May and the cuts - she served in Cameron's cabinet and supported every single financial bill and cut passed by the coalition and the subsequent Tory administration. If she's not complicit, then exactly who is? She's just as complicit as, say, Martin Vickers. If your political party is in power and writing legislation and you vote for it, then you are just as culpable when something goes wrong as the people who actually came up with the legislation in the first place.

The fact that May is a bit flipping useless at her job is the issue here - for good or ill, a modern politician has to be seen to 'care' in such situations, whether they actually do or not. May is now so scared of making a balls-up whenever she has to face anybody from the public, that she'll go to any length to avoid it. She'd probably have got away with this sort of an attitude 30 years ago, but no longer.

Quoted from barralad

Many more of those involved in the weekends appalling incidents were anarchists who, by definition don't believe in any political structure.

But the SW placards said 'back Corbyn' 🤔

Quoted from MarinersOnTheUp

To be fair I don't want a prime minister who is going to go round hugging people, I want one who will run the country.

Let's get this clear, I don't like any of the main party's and I voted for a smaller party as kind if a protest vote.


I do however hunk that maybe May didn't go round hugging all the residents because she has a country to run that has just come out of a GE, is preparing to leave the EU and has had multiple terror attacjs in a short space of time then had that to contend with.

Look up Tony Blairs social housing improvement plan, there's a lot in their that you could blame for this disaster,

I anybody is to blame fo recent events/cuts however, blame David Cameron. May has only been in power a year and has had a lot to contend with and not much time to change anything whereas Cameron had almost 7 years.

I don't agree with corbyn using an awful event to score political points either.

That's your view on it, helpfully spun by the (predominantly) right wing media. He did what he thought was right, and showed sympathy and solidarity with people suffering. You want to castigate him for that?!? Jeez what do people want? At least he showed some humanity and human compassion, unlike May. Portillo was spot on in what he said.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cft52h89roU

This! This! This! As usual - pie hits it bang on.