Years of neglect, money spent on looks rather than safety, people burned to death from bad advice, ,  we are truly try to reach third world standards. Greed . greed and greed again

It seems that the country is paying the real cost of austerity that the Cameron/May Tory government have championed. Kensington is like a horrendous galvanized metaphor for it all. Filthy rich people in their multi million pound London properties who celebrate the annual Times rich list being published on one side and on the other side poverty stricken, poor people in their flammable tower block. It could've been avoided but then again it would've cost more money.

Yeah, being filthy rich and having a nice gaff makes you some sort of a girl private doesn't it?  :-/

The problem is there are many more tower blocks that have had the same panels put on them,

Theresa May needs to improve her PR at the moment it is rubbish.

Agree Pete, she's not very good with ordinary people like us, I can't see that she'll be in her job that long mate, it must have been terrible for those poor people in that tower block, it brought tears to my eyes seeing it mate.

Quoted from grimsby pete

The problem is there are many more tower blocks that have had the same panels put on them,

Theresa May needs to improve her PR at the moment it is rubbish.

She comes across to me as the sort of person who buckles down and gets on with the job rather than doing her best to be liked by hugging babies and shaking hands with each and anyone.
Long may she be in office, although I admit to suspecting a stab in the back before long.

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She comes across to me as the sort of person who buckles down and gets on with the job rather than doing her best to be liked by hugging babies and shaking hands with each and anyone.
Long may she be in office, although I admit to suspecting a stab in the back before long.

Out of her depth, arrogant, incompetent, and will be gone in 3 months

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It seems that the country is paying the real cost of austerity that the Cameron/May Tory government have championed. Kensington is like a horrendous galvanized metaphor for it all. Filthy rich people in their multi million pound London properties who celebrate the annual Times rich list being published on one side and on the other side poverty stricken, poor people in their flammable tower block. It could've been avoided but then again it would've cost more money.

£2000 a month quoted for a flat there how do the poor afford that? Not being funny would be interested to know.

As if this disaster wasn't shocking enough, we now have Corbyn's socialist foot soldiers hijacking the tragedy for their own pollitical gain... utter scum!

I think you are as blind to the truth as anyone I've ever come across. Aren't you hijacking the situation to make your own political point? Open your eyes man!

People only accuse people of politicising things when they know their politics are in the wrong.

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£2000 a month quoted for a flat there how do the poor afford that? Not being funny would be interested to know.

An absolutely terrible tragedy made worse by the fact that it was avoidable but I have to say I am getting thoroughly p!ssed off with all those claiming to be a) survivors and b) friends and relatives.

FFS if all those who say they are survivors really were there must have been at least 1200 or 1500 people in there rather than the 400 - 600 based on tenancy figures. Now May has offered £5M I expect the 'survivors' figure to double.

As for the friends and relatives, if half of those packing the nearby streets are genuinely missing someone then those in the tower must have come from the biggest and / or the most popular families in the country

The entire sad event is in danger of being taken over for political purposes by professional protesters and hangers-on

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I think you are as blind to the truth as anyone I've ever come across. Aren't you hijacking the situation to make your own political point? Open your eyes man!

WTF are you talking about man I'm not making any political point! My eyes were wide open whilst watching those lefty scum bags with their socialist worker placards.

Quoted from LH

People only accuse people of politicising things when they know their politics are in the wrong.

Keep taking the tablets, Meanwhile......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/15/john-mcdonnell-calls-one-million-protesters-take-streets-bid/

Part B of the building regs covers this. Any insulating material on the outside of a building over 18m should be " of limited combustibility" which clearly it wasn't. Part of the reason this is being politicised is because of the number of opportunities this government have had to prevent this, but havent constantly stalled on and delayed. There have been similar fires in Dubai, Melbourne and Scotland, so its not as if the issue  isn't known. But any attempt to accept there is an issue, address the problem is going to cost the government big time

http://www.frmjournal.com/news/news_detail.government-endangering-tower-blocks-by-delaying-fire-safety-regulations-review.html?_tkn=C75C9F01-1AD2-48D2-BEFAFBED0C606CFF

To be fair I don't want a prime minister who is going to go round hugging people, I want one who will run the country.

Let's get this clear, I don't like any of the main party's and I voted for a smaller party as kind if a protest vote.


I do however hunk that maybe May didn't go round hugging all the residents because she has a country to run that has just come out of a GE, is preparing to leave the EU and has had multiple terror attacjs in a short space of time then had that to contend with.

Look up Tony Blairs social housing improvement plan, there's a lot in their that you could blame for this disaster,

I anybody is to blame fo recent events/cuts however, blame David Cameron. May has only been in power a year and has had a lot to contend with and not much time to change anything whereas Cameron had almost 7 years.

I don't agree with corbyn using an awful event to score political points either.

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WTF are you talking about man I'm not making any political point! My eyes were wide open whilst watching those lefty scum bags with their socialist worker placards.

Those on the far, far left are about as representative of the Labour movement as those from EDL, Britain First etc. are of theTory Party. Many of those purporting to support the SWP have been kicked out of the Labour Party at some time or another. Many more of those involved in the weekends appalling incidents were anarchists who, by definition don't believe in any political structure.

Don't know a great deal about housing policy, but I'm not quite sure which parts of the New Labour legislation could have contributed to this disaster? The Decent Homes stuff doesn't seem as though it would have made any difference? Of course, they didn't reverse Thatcher's Right to Buy stuff and so didn't build much in the way of social housing - why would you build something you were then forced to sell off at a loss a few years later? A clear failure of policy in that respect, but I don't think it would have contributed to this disaster which seems to be a lack of concern about safety or a failure of regulations.

The Tories, of course, have been keen on cutting all sorts of regulations - didn't they have some sort of ridiculous pledge to cut two regulations for every new one introduced? Whether or not this has had an impact in this case, I don't know. Here's an official government page:

https://cutting-red-tape.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/

That is asking business to tell them which regulations to cut so they can make more money. Bear in mind that many of these regulations exist to ensure public safety at the expense of business profits and you can see that actively asking businesses what they think should be cut in this way is risky, to say the least!

You'd have to say the fact that new build high-rises are legally required to have sprinklers installed (and have done so for a decade) shows their importance. Regardless of who is to blame for the lack of action/regulation, it's clear that something which is considered a safety requirement for modern buildings of this type should certainly be a requirement for older high-rises as well.

As for May and the cuts - she served in Cameron's cabinet and supported every single financial bill and cut passed by the coalition and the subsequent Tory administration. If she's not complicit, then exactly who is? She's just as complicit as, say, Martin Vickers. If your political party is in power and writing legislation and you vote for it, then you are just as culpable when something goes wrong as the people who actually came up with the legislation in the first place.

The fact that May is a bit flipping useless at her job is the issue here - for good or ill, a modern politician has to be seen to 'care' in such situations, whether they actually do or not. May is now so scared of making a balls-up whenever she has to face anybody from the public, that she'll go to any length to avoid it. She'd probably have got away with this sort of an attitude 30 years ago, but no longer.

Quoted from barralad

Many more of those involved in the weekends appalling incidents were anarchists who, by definition don't believe in any political structure.

But the SW placards said 'back Corbyn' 🤔

Quoted from MarinersOnTheUp

To be fair I don't want a prime minister who is going to go round hugging people, I want one who will run the country.

Let's get this clear, I don't like any of the main party's and I voted for a smaller party as kind if a protest vote.


I do however hunk that maybe May didn't go round hugging all the residents because she has a country to run that has just come out of a GE, is preparing to leave the EU and has had multiple terror attacjs in a short space of time then had that to contend with.

Look up Tony Blairs social housing improvement plan, there's a lot in their that you could blame for this disaster,

I anybody is to blame fo recent events/cuts however, blame David Cameron. May has only been in power a year and has had a lot to contend with and not much time to change anything whereas Cameron had almost 7 years.

I don't agree with corbyn using an awful event to score political points either.

That's your view on it, helpfully spun by the (predominantly) right wing media. He did what he thought was right, and showed sympathy and solidarity with people suffering. You want to castigate him for that?!? Jeez what do people want? At least he showed some humanity and human compassion, unlike May. Portillo was spot on in what he said.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cft52h89roU

This! This! This! As usual - pie hits it bang on.

https://countrysquire.co.uk/2017/06/20/day-of-rage/

Bang on

Quoted from Grim74

https://countrysquire.co.uk/2017/06/20/day-of-rage/

Bang on

Perhaps some actual proof that Momentum are behind the so called "Day of Rage" would help. Nevertheless the writer makes the mistake of those on the right of believing that Labour's boost in the polls was due almost solely to extra votes from the young. Having spent seven weeks on the doorsteps of Grimsby the prevailing concern of people was around the lack of hope of some relief from the effects of austerity particularly people working in public services. Many of the seats the Tories targetted in the North East, North West and the Midlands had no discernable student vote. They won very few of them. Many votes of young people were cast in constituencies where they boosted already safe Labour majorities. I have no doubt that the student vote was key to Labour winning for example Lincoln and Canterbury but you could build a cogent argument to say that had the Tories not done so well in Scotland where the agenda was markedly different to the rest of the country their situation could've been considerably worse. What commentators like this fail to point out is that successive governments have "bribed" pensioners for years. Labour introduced the Winter Fuel Payment FFS. It is expedient to do so because stats. tell the parties that these people vote. What G.E.17 has shown is that any party which chooses to ignore the young may well suffer greatly. It's not new. You could build another argument to say that the country ended up with a coalition in 2010 because Clegg and the Lib Dems made huge inroads in cities with large student populations. What made G.E. 2017 so difficult to predict was the wide variety of issues, depending on where you lived.

Fair points made although Onn's majority was nearly cut in half with a very safe seat and a weak conservative candidate, maybe The Grimsby campus needs to expand some more.

Quoted from Grim74

Fair points made although Onn's majority was nearly cut in half with a very safe seat and a weak conservative candidate, maybe The Grimsby campus needs to expand some more.

Grimsby hasn't been a VERY safe seat for years. The result here though encapsulates the Tory miscalculation across the north that all of the UKIP votes would go back to the Tories. Had that happened in Grimsby Ms Onn would've lost on pure maths alone. She won in 2015 by that majority because some Tories and Lib Dems tactically voted Labour to keep out UKIP.

What a tragedy, such an unnecessary sad loss of life. Building regs for new buildings should have been applied to old buildings over a certain height with no alternative means of escape. The implications of cost against life have not been weighted and measured properly.

RIP those who perished.

I was going to say unbelievable but this is Labour 😕

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/26/grenfell-fire-backlash-john-mcdonnell-claims-blaze-victims-murdered/

He's not wrong both party's have put cuts and savings over safety, it is in the very least criminal ally negligent, .  

Quoted from codcheeky

He's not wrong both party's have put cuts and savings over safety, it is in the very least criminal ally negligent, .  

Murder??? Really? it's just very desperate stuff once again still using this tragedy to try for pollitical point scoring, before we've even had the inquest FFS
Good interview on GMTV this morning when Morgan interviewed another absolute useless stuttering Labour MP, anyway Morgan put it to him that the local housing inspector should of picked up on the fact the cladding was not fit for purpose, he couldn't answer and blamed the cuts to the fire service partly responsible even though LFB management had been on the show previously and confirmed cuts to the service wasn't a factor.

Actual quote:

Quoted Text

"The decision not to build homes and to view housing as only for financial speculation rather than for meeting a basic human need made by politicians over decades murdered those families."

The word 'murdered' was used in respect of the inept housing policy under multiple governments since the early eighties. Don't disagree that many of the country's problems were caused by policy and it may have contributed to the Grenfell disaster, but I do think using the word 'murder' is OTT. A rhetorical flourish too far.

I suppose a lot depends on firstly why was the cladding fitted (environmental reasons or to 'prettify' the blocks for their wealthy neighbours) and secondly, why did the regulation/testing of the cladding material fail?

It seems ridiculous that you should be allowed to fit something on the outside of a concrete building which would make it flammable.

There has been an almightly balls-up somewhere, that's for sure. No doubt at all that it is ineptitude rather than malice to the larger part.

Murder means that they intended to kill or had intent in  killing the poor souls,

To come out with that word is not only Politically incorrect  it is a disgrace

If he had said manslaughter he would have been nearer the mark.

Quoted from Ipswin

An absolutely terrible tragedy made worse by the fact that it was avoidable but I have to say I am getting thoroughly p!ssed off with all those claiming to be a) survivors and b) friends and relatives.

FFS if all those who say they are survivors really were there must have been at least 1200 or 1500 people in there rather than the 400 - 600 based on tenancy figures. Now May has offered £5M I expect the 'survivors' figure to double.

As for the friends and relatives, if half of those packing the nearby streets are genuinely missing someone then those in the tower must have come from the biggest and / or the most popular families in the country

Here we go. First fraudulent claimant in court yesterday

It appears  that a 12 year girl who survived the fire had cyanide poison in her system when treated at hospital,

They think it must have been  the fumes from the fire that she inhaled,

It just gets worse.