Grenfell tower disaster

https://countrysquire.co.uk/2017/06/20/day-of-rage/

Bang on

Quoted from Grim74

https://countrysquire.co.uk/2017/06/20/day-of-rage/

Bang on

Perhaps some actual proof that Momentum are behind the so called "Day of Rage" would help. Nevertheless the writer makes the mistake of those on the right of believing that Labour's boost in the polls was due almost solely to extra votes from the young. Having spent seven weeks on the doorsteps of Grimsby the prevailing concern of people was around the lack of hope of some relief from the effects of austerity particularly people working in public services. Many of the seats the Tories targetted in the North East, North West and the Midlands had no discernable student vote. They won very few of them. Many votes of young people were cast in constituencies where they boosted already safe Labour majorities. I have no doubt that the student vote was key to Labour winning for example Lincoln and Canterbury but you could build a cogent argument to say that had the Tories not done so well in Scotland where the agenda was markedly different to the rest of the country their situation could've been considerably worse. What commentators like this fail to point out is that successive governments have "bribed" pensioners for years. Labour introduced the Winter Fuel Payment FFS. It is expedient to do so because stats. tell the parties that these people vote. What G.E.17 has shown is that any party which chooses to ignore the young may well suffer greatly. It's not new. You could build another argument to say that the country ended up with a coalition in 2010 because Clegg and the Lib Dems made huge inroads in cities with large student populations. What made G.E. 2017 so difficult to predict was the wide variety of issues, depending on where you lived.

Fair points made although Onn's majority was nearly cut in half with a very safe seat and a weak conservative candidate, maybe The Grimsby campus needs to expand some more.

Quoted from Grim74

Fair points made although Onn's majority was nearly cut in half with a very safe seat and a weak conservative candidate, maybe The Grimsby campus needs to expand some more.

Grimsby hasn't been a VERY safe seat for years. The result here though encapsulates the Tory miscalculation across the north that all of the UKIP votes would go back to the Tories. Had that happened in Grimsby Ms Onn would've lost on pure maths alone. She won in 2015 by that majority because some Tories and Lib Dems tactically voted Labour to keep out UKIP.

What a tragedy, such an unnecessary sad loss of life. Building regs for new buildings should have been applied to old buildings over a certain height with no alternative means of escape. The implications of cost against life have not been weighted and measured properly.

RIP those who perished.

I was going to say unbelievable but this is Labour 😕

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....ze-victims-murdered/

He's not wrong both party's have put cuts and savings over safety, it is in the very least criminal ally negligent, .  

Quoted from codcheeky

He's not wrong both party's have put cuts and savings over safety, it is in the very least criminal ally negligent, .  

Murder??? Really? it's just very desperate stuff once again still using this tragedy to try for pollitical point scoring, before we've even had the inquest FFS
Good interview on GMTV this morning when Morgan interviewed another absolute useless stuttering Labour MP, anyway Morgan put it to him that the local housing inspector should of picked up on the fact the cladding was not fit for purpose, he couldn't answer and blamed the cuts to the fire service partly responsible even though LFB management had been on the show previously and confirmed cuts to the service wasn't a factor.

Actual quote:

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"The decision not to build homes and to view housing as only for financial speculation rather than for meeting a basic human need made by politicians over decades murdered those families."

The word 'murdered' was used in respect of the inept housing policy under multiple governments since the early eighties. Don't disagree that many of the country's problems were caused by policy and it may have contributed to the Grenfell disaster, but I do think using the word 'murder' is OTT. A rhetorical flourish too far.

I suppose a lot depends on firstly why was the cladding fitted (environmental reasons or to 'prettify' the blocks for their wealthy neighbours) and secondly, why did the regulation/testing of the cladding material fail?

It seems ridiculous that you should be allowed to fit something on the outside of a concrete building which would make it flammable.

There has been an almightly balls-up somewhere, that's for sure. No doubt at all that it is ineptitude rather than malice to the larger part.

Murder means that they intended to kill or had intent in  killing the poor souls,

To come out with that word is not only Politically incorrect  it is a disgrace

If he had said manslaughter he would have been nearer the mark.