EXTREME Leisure

EXTREME Leisure has now been given the go-ahead to apply for planning  permission for the new stadium.

Anyone else think that this company is a risk?

They don't seem to of ever built anything this big let alone a football stadium.  They seem to organize and do plenty of marketing for events...

The front cover of their website looks a little far fetched with the front design being a skate park with a swimming pool one side and a tennis court the other...  Really?

They seem to concentrate on supporting Skiers, Skaters and BMW riders. Do they know anything about football?

I just hope someone knows what they are doing...  

http://www.extremesportscompany.com/extreme-leisure-destinations.html

Everyone starts somewhere lets hope this is the first of many and they use it as a flagship.

stop worrying, it will all be fine

I notice all their ambassadors are BMX, Ski, Surf, Motor X or Skaters?
They do not appear to have any experience of Football but it's perhaps a market they are looking to move in to?

They are not going to build the Stadium themselves,

They will contract out the work to  an experienced Building firm ,

Stop worrying.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Everyone starts somewhere lets hope this is the first of many and they use it as a flagship.

I do hope so.   If it does go to plan I can see it being the dogs dangles....  

I just have my doubts  

Quoted from Simariner

I do hope so.   If it does go to plan I can see it being the dogs dangles....  

I just have my doubts  

Relax it will be fine.

Everybody has to start somewhere, I suppose. Even if they've only previously worked on smaller projects, if they are competent and know what they are doing, there is no reason they can't succeed with this project as well.

You could perhaps see us as a test case for their business - if they can make a success of this development in a small, impoverished northern town, it would look very good on their company CV and would attract bigger clients. I wouldn't imagine there are exactly many quick bucks to be made in N.E. Lincolnshire so hopefully they are in it for the long haul and with a good plan.

I would like to know more about Phoenix Taylor. I hope she and the other Angels are involved. Perhaps she could work one of the bars.

http://www.extremesportscompany.com/extreme-all-athletes.html

Quoted from Simariner

I do hope so.   If it does go to plan I can see it being the dogs dangles....  

I just have my doubts  

Sime I have waited since 1988 when it was very first mooted about moving for a new stadium we have never been this close I can almost see it.The blueprint on how to build them is fairly simple stuff these days and I can`t see why Extreme would have any difficulty in getting the right people in.The most difficult task will be to bring the job in on budget and on time Extreme need to manage that.This is a great opportunity for them and they appear to be a modern company with a can do attitude to things if they get this right the World becomes their Oyster so to speak for stadium builds.In essence they did what no-one else could deliver in 30 years a new build stadium in Grimsby.

Quoted from Maringer

Everybody has to start somewhere, I suppose. Even if they've only previously worked on smaller projects, if they are competent and know what they are doing, there is no reason they can't succeed with this project as well.

You could perhaps see us as a test case for their business - if they can make a success of this development in a small, impoverished northern town, it would look very good on their company CV and would attract bigger clients. I wouldn't imagine there are exactly many quick bucks to be made in N.E. Lincolnshire so hopefully they are in it for the long haul and with a good plan.

Bloody hell you type faster than me I have reposted more or less the same thing

I'm not voting for the Libdem councillors in the next local election.

They have no experience of being councillors so I will vote to keep the experienced councillors in office.

Just applying their own rules.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Sime I have waited since 1988 when it was very first mooted about moving for a new stadium we have never been this close I can almost see it.The blueprint on how to build them is fairly simple stuff these days and I can`t see why Extreme would have any difficulty in getting the right people in.The most difficult task will be to bring the job in on budget and on time Extreme need to manage that.This is a great opportunity for them and they appear to be a modern company with a can do attitude to things if they get this right the World becomes their Oyster so to speak for stadium builds.In essence they did what no-one else could deliver in 30 years a new build stadium in Grimsby.

Your right mate the absolute key to any project is to get the right people (individuals & companies) involved, do that and the rest tends to look after itself.

Though personally I don't think they have been visible enough at local level especially with all the Nimby & council stuff but I am sure they would have been doing what they can behind the scenes which maybe their style rather than "mouthing off" about what they are going to do.

Like many things associated to this I think everybody needs to let the stake holders get on with it and see what they deliver.

Typical Town fans they knock everything the club does and then pick the bones out of it

Quoted from MrFisherman

Typical Town fans they knock everything the club does and then pick the bones out of it

fans are dubious a company heavily involved in the build of our new stadium and other infastructure projects appear to have no real experience in the said field, it's a genuine concern imo.  Now I'm not saying this is the case here but I've dealt with loads of marketing types down in that big smoke and everyone to a man was a bullshitter of some sorts.  

I agree with you dfp.  The company might see us as a loss-leader to get into managing football builds..  We then get a new stadium etc at a  lower price, as they have limited expertise, whilst they make all their mistakes on our project.

Extreme won't be building anything. They will be the landlords. Other building firms will do the designing and building.

Extreme will sell the houses through estate agencies and run the ice rink.

Town will rent the land and be responsible for designing and building tthe stadium through architects and builders of their own.

We pay a peppercorn rent on a 99 year lease.

The beauty of this scheme is we don't  have to buy the land as we would have done at Great Coates.

To get the money to fund it they will have to convinced the banks that it is viable. They will not lend money without proper checks into the viability of the whole scheme.

With mr.f. Well known for wanting value for money I wonder if digging the footings of the new stadium will be incorporated into pre season training

I think the OP makes a fair point. It's alright to say that Extreme will get the right people in but they have already appointed an architect, FDG, with no stadium design experience. What next?
I want to see the stadium built but I think the attitude of "it's been 30.years, let them get on with it" is a dangerous one. Extreme are in this to maximise their profit-nothing wrong with that. However, it's up to us via the club and the trust to ensure that we get what we want too, a great stadium for the next 100 years.

I hope the stadium has a massive ramp at either end and some sick graffiti in the bogs.

Quoted from Abdul19

I hope the stadium has a massive ramp at either end and some sick graffiti in the bogs.

Quoted from MrFisherman

Typical Town fans they knock everything the club does and then pick the bones out of it

So a company with no experience is fronting up a new stadium project with an architect that hasn't designed one before and there's no reason to be even slightly cautious?

I'm all for the club having a new stadium but wish I was a little bit more informed about how Extreme are going to deliver it - it would be quite nice to hear from them at some point!

Quoted from psgmariner

I would like to know more about Phoenix Taylor. I hope she and the other Angels are involved. Perhaps she could work one of the bars.

http://www.extremesportscompany.com/extreme-all-athletes.html

No...no..no...no...no.......PSG........your views are just typical male sexist and chauvanistic, instantly thinking of females as "bar staff" is embarrassing in this day and age, show some respect and consider sexual and equal opportunity. As you are a local businessman i am disappointed that this is what springs to your mind...... for instance i think they would be better suited to being ball girls.  

Quoted from Abdul19

I hope the stadium has a massive ramp at either end and some sick graffiti in the bogs.

i prefer my graffiti applied with traditional spray paint but whatever tickles your artistic tendencies

Quoted from mirrorballman

I think the OP makes a fair point. It's alright to say that Extreme will get the right people in but they have already appointed an architect, FDG, with no stadium design experience. What next?
I want to see the stadium built but I think the attitude of "it's been 30.years, let them get on with it" is a dangerous one. Extreme are in this to maximise their profit-nothing wrong with that. However, it's up to us via the club and the trust to ensure that we get what we want too, a great stadium for the next 100 years.

Spot on Mirrorballman. I don't think it's being negative to ask questions about the attributes of a firm who will be major partners for making the new stadium happen. As Extreme and their architects have no track record in this arena (pun intended) you have to wonder if there is knowledge that they lack that might lead to problems later on.

That's not to say a competent developer and architect couldn't do it, but all things being equal, do you pick (a) the candidate with directly relevant experience; or (b) the candidate without?

Sometimes a candidate comes along that has other attributes that more than make up for the lack of experience and they bring something extra, and that might be the case here. They certainly don't appear to be out of the usual property development mould.

And sometimes, there might be no one else willing to take it on, or the field to choose from is very limited.

The scope of Extreme's involvement in this case seems very broad. Not only have they a multiuse development in a sensitive environment (political, social, economic, errr..... environmental), but it now looks as though there are several other potential enabling developments on sites throughout NE Lincs. That's a lot of property transactions, a lot of schemes to develop and plan for possibly different types of use, a lot of planning applications, a lot of finance to co-ordinate, find, enable. I hope they've got a good team of advisers and a clever strategy that allows each to progress in its own way at its own pace without jeopardising the whole, whilst ensuring the enabling finance for what we all want.

I understand the concern, but how do you know that the people within the company who are actually dealing with this, or that the actual architect, don't have the relevant experience? They may well have hired in people with precisely that background.
As an example.i deal with mears, who as you may know are a huge maintenance company.they have now started to also build build new homes, albeit  on a small scale. They don't have any experience as a compan of doing that,but the people involved in the new homes division are top quality individuals who have years of experience in house building

Quoted from forza ivano

I understand the concern, but how do you know that the people within the company who are actually dealing with this, or that the actual architect, don't have the relevant experience? They may well have hired in people with precisely that background.
As an example.i deal with mears, who as you may know are a huge maintenance company.they have now started to also build build new homes, albeit  on a small scale. They don't have any experience as a compan of doing that,but the people involved in the new homes division are top quality individuals who have years of experience in house building

We don't and they may have. And it's such an obvious question that can be anticipated and dealt with easily. As you have just done with Mears.

(PS I'm always wary of builders who are suddenly maintenance companies, who suddenly become builders, depending on the trade cycle, or the other way round   )

Quoted from grimsby pete

They are not going to build the Stadium themselves,

They will contract out the work to  an experienced Building firm ,

Stop worrying.

I understand the building firm has already been chosen, it's run by a bloke called Bob and my contact said that he will have no problem fixing it.

Quoted from crusty ole pie

With mr.f. Well known for wanting value for money I wonder if digging the footings of the new stadium will be incorporated into pre season training

I'll dig the flipping footings with a cocktail stick if it makes this get underway any quicker!

Quoted from mimma

Extreme won't be building anything. They will be the landlords. Other building firms will do the designing and building.

Extreme will sell the houses through estate agencies and run the ice rink.

Town will rent the land and be responsible for designing and building tthe stadium through architects and builders of their own.

We pay a peppercorn rent on a 99 year lease.

The beauty of this scheme is we don't  have to buy the land as we would have done at Great Coates.

To get the money to fund it they will have to convinced the banks that it is viable. They will not lend money without proper checks into the viability of the whole scheme.

Fenty said that the club would own the stadium.

Quoted from heppy88

Fenty said that the club would own the stadium.

They may own the stadium but the land is on a lease, just like lots of houses and commercial properties are. My friend owns his house but it is still leasehold and he pays ground rent every year to the leaseholder, the same as with all leasehold properties.

Maybe the benefit will be as this is a huge opportunity for them they'll really be out to impress where as if it was some big corporation and this was a bread and butter thing for them they'd probably do it generically and cheapy as possible while charging us out the nose

It won't be a loss leader Why but I take your point they could be keener and maybe more innovative.

I think at the fans forum the lease was said to be 999 years at a peppercorn rent not just 99, so effectively forever.