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The people I go with aren't negative people; we don't boo unless something shocking happens.
But we are fed up. Fed up with a decade or more of underachievement (putting it mildly), we are fed up with the whole matchday experience of seeing our beloved Mariners struggling to come to terms with a bunch of part time players.
Most of all we are fed up with the "Board" who have no plan or vision or enough money to do what they should have done 5 years ago - pay for the best manager and players who would give us the best shot of getting back to the league. We kept Neil Woods on for Gods sake!!
Like most (all?) things Mr.Fenty touches his posts on here haven't gone according to plan. Unlike at BP he is not surrounded by people who rely on him for their livelihood, and he has realized that funnily enough we don't think he is Gods gift to the Football Club.
Most of all I am fed up with the complete lack of ambition from all concerned. There is ONE guaranteed promotion in this league, and even at this low, non league level, we haven't set our stall out to go for it.
The playoffs should be a consolation prize (to win at all costs if we happen to be in them) but not an aspiration.
It's this sort of attitude which is the heart of the problem. We are a non-league side now, you have to accept that. If you set the bar so high that everything but finishing top of the league is a failure then you are always going to be disappointed. There are plenty of big clubs in this league with lots of money. We have no right to be top, great if we are, but you cannot demand it. |
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It's this sort of attitude which is the heart of the problem. We are a non-league side now, you have to accept that. If you set the bar so high that everything but finishing top of the league is a failure then you are always going to be disappointed. There are plenty of big clubs in this league with lots of money. We have no right to be top, great if we are, but you cannot demand it.
Town fans dont have an 'attitude' they are realists. When Town were a Championship club all knew that survival in that league for a club our size was good season. Just as now they now know that winning this league is well within the bounds of a club of this size and should be the goal which it never has been because of the 'we will try for the play offs and see what happens' attitude from the very top down to fans like you. As for as other clubs are concerned I couldnt give a toss about them. Its all about what we do. |
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It's this sort of attitude which is the heart of the problem. We are a non-league side now, you have to accept that. If you set the bar so high that everything but finishing top of the league is a failure then you are always going to be disappointed. There are plenty of big clubs in this league with lots of money. We have no right to be top, great if we are, but you cannot demand it.
We are not a non-league side. We are a league side that by sheer bad management finds itself in the conference. It is defeatist attitudes that got us where we are and defeatist attitudes on the pitch and in the boardroom that are keeping us here. We have every right to be top and every right to demand it. |
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I remember this from 5 years ago. http://thefishy.co.uk/story.php?id=8501178Another of Fenty's needless interfering statements. How JF sings a different tune now. I'm not comparing the two sets of players but interesting to see his approach to those without mental character then compared to what it seemingly is now. "Weed out the weak minded" he said. |
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A come back and bite your rse statement when it pans out per usual at the seasons end Les
It's got nothing to do with where we finish at the end of the season Garth, I'm talking about our position NOW. Ok, we've been pretty poor recently and there needs to be an improvement if we are to stay in the top 5 but the facts are we are currently still 4th with at least a 3 point cushion AND a game in hand over most of the chasing pack. Because of the archaic promotion/relegation system still in this league it will always be pretty difficult to be THE best team out of 24. It's just the massive over-reaction on here from some posters is quite frankly laughable. |
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I remember this from 5 years ago. http://thefishy.co.uk/story.php?id=8501178Another of Fenty's needless interfering statements. How JF sings a different tune now. I'm not comparing the two sets of players but interesting to see his approach to those without mental character then compared to what it seemingly is now. "Weed out the weak minded" he said.
There's a big difference though. We're fourth now (despite all the histrionics and self-searching), we were near the bottom of the league when he said that. The players have hardly failed this year, they have largely as a group done what they have been paid to do. I''d happily settle on being 4th on 6th January in whatever league we happen to be in every year for the rest of my life. |
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There's a big difference though. We're fourth now (despite all the histrionics and self-searching), we were near the bottom of the league when he said that. The players have hardly failed this year, they have largely as a group done what they have been paid to do. I''d happily settle on being 4th on 6th January in whatever league we happen to be in every year for the rest of my life.
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I remember this from 5 years ago. http://thefishy.co.uk/story.php?id=8501178Another of Fenty's needless interfering statements. How JF sings a different tune now. I'm not comparing the two sets of players but interesting to see his approach to those without mental character then compared to what it seemingly is now. "Weed out the weak minded" he said.
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It's this sort of attitude which is the heart of the problem. We are a non-league side now, you have to accept that. If you set the bar so high that everything but finishing top of the league is a failure then you are always going to be disappointed. There are plenty of big clubs in this league with lots of money. We have no right to be top, great if we are, but you cannot demand it.
You miss the point entirely. If a club of our size cannot aspire to come top of the Conference then we have to ask serious questions about the people running the club on our behalf. And what if we slip, in time, further down the pyramid? Do we keep lowering the bar then? Unless you are absolutely and ruthlessly focused on getting back our league status we could be down here or lower for donkeys years. |
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This is the major point for me. It's Luton-syndrome...the crashing reality that hits (some) supporters that signals the lack of faith in the team/manager come the seasons end, regardless of how you start/where you are at New Year/who you beat and by how many.
I remember The Fishy acting in surprise just a couple of seasons back when Luton were on Money's back despite them being top 3 or 4.
We're now in that same position, I feel, that of being relatively 'well off' in terms of league position, being told to be thankful that we're in with a great chance of promotion by some, but deep down knowing that, like Money's Luton, we will bottle the major games and still be beaten by the most basic teams with their 30 fans after doing our bit and 'packing the Park'.
In Hurst we have our own Richard Money, and IMO we now need our John Still to push us that bit further over the line.
Just my own non-hysterical, non-abusive version of things.
The same Money who won the play offs with Cambridge last year. Interesting he could do it at Cambridge with a smaller budget but lower expectations. Finding a manager that can handle the crowds expectations is difficult, especially at this level. It's interesting that Still is an ex salesman, he knows how to manage his own reputation, others expectations and how to flog something! Ultimately he knows how to be 'liked', and it's a very difficult thing to learn. |
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