N.E.L Council and or college

Could we see one of these involved in the future of GTFC ? I know some clubs have there local council or college involved in some capacity, I know the ain't many fans of our local council but could be worth thinking about with help towards a new stadium and so on I can't remember which clubs have gone down this route Donny have but any more?

If the worsed happened and we was to go under would the council step in ? My first thoughts would be no but you never know untill it happens.

Quoted from Super Clive

Could we see one of these involved in the future of GTFC ? I know some clubs have there local council or college involved in some capacity, I know the ain't many fans of our local council but could be worth thinking about with help towards a new stadium and so on I can't remember which clubs have gone down this route Donny have but any more?

If the worsed happened and we was to go under would the council step in ? My first thoughts would be no but you never know untill it happens.

I know at the moment councils generally have lots of surplus cash that they're just desperate to get rid of. I'm sure they'll knock us up a ground and cover any operating shortfall, no problem at all.

Between 2 and 3% of the local population can still be @rsed to watch town, I doubt if any 'investor' would be interested.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I know at the moment councils generally have lots of surplus cash that they're just desperate to get rid of. I'm sure they'll knock us up a ground and cover any operating shortfall, no problem at all.

As simple as that yeah?  

I know its a long shot but was just a suggestion if the worsed possible happens, but surely a football club in a town of this size would be in the councils interests and the local economy?

As i said was just a suggestion, be prepared for the worsed is my slogan.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I know at the moment councils generally have lots of surplus cash that they're just desperate to get rid of. I'm sure they'll knock us up a ground and cover any operating shortfall, no problem at all.

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Private investment is perhaps the best hope, a successful GTFC would have serious potential.

You need only look at Dull, who have progressed from near-bankruptcy as a fourth tier club playing in a dump to a club regularly drawing attendances of 20k plus in a shiny new ground. You could say similar things about Reading, but they had a sugar daddy every step of the way.

The council could kick you off by assisting in the building of a new stadium but I daresay you're two or three years too late for that with councils reining in spending, I can't imagine a KC/Keepmoat style 'Community Stadium' is top of NEL Council's list of priorities at this moment in time.

Lets be honest does anyone actually have a plan if the club goes under or is in serious threat? obviously we don't know what Parker and fentys real plans are all we know is the balderdash that has been made public in the media.

IMO we need to be a few steps ahead if where serious about keeping GTFC afloat and that could involve many factors, I will be honest and say I don't have the know how to get these plans drawn up but we could have a discussion about it and get the ball rolling throwing ideas into the mix, that could be from the council down to fun runs and event days to raise cash.

No body knows if we will go under or not but a back up plan is surly worth having even if its a shite one, GTFC is worth fighting for IMO and us the fans are the be all and end all, no fans no club .

Our college is in trouble and so is the Institute.

The new building is wholly funded by Higher Education and as such only university students can access it.

There is also a new principal there whose phrase appears to be "if you don't like it, don't come." Before you say it, this is actually driving out the good staff and the decent students. Although under Mr Khan the college was nothing spectacular, it is going to get a whole lot worse under the new principle who is on a cost cutting exercise.

As for NELC, they couldn't give a monkeys about about football locally.

Quoted from Super Clive

Lets be honest does anyone actually have a plan if the club goes under or is in serious threat? obviously we don't know what Parker and fentys real plans are all we know is the balderdash that has been made public in the media.

IMO we need to be a few steps ahead if where serious about keeping GTFC afloat and that could involve many factors, I will be honest and say I don't have the know how to get these plans drawn up but we could have a discussion about it and get the ball rolling throwing ideas into the mix, that could be from the council down to fun runs and event days to raise cash.

No body knows if we will go under or not but a back up plan is surly worth having even if its a shite one, GTFC is worth fighting for IMO and us the fans are the be all and end all, no fans no club .

If the worst case scenario did come true,would we still have a fishy ?  

Why would a backwards thinking, useless, no hope council who have cost gtfc money over the years and shown little support for the club aslong as ive supported them (20 years) so why would they give a excrement now?

With government cutbacks in all levels of education and a new principal who is selling off crap that the college bought/were given/ 'found' under Kahn to recoup some cash, they also wouldn't be interested, well I can't see it anyway.

Private investment is the best we can hope for but is there anyone daft enough to do it?

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Our college is in trouble and so is the Institute.

The new building is wholly funded by Higher Education and as such only university students can access it.

There is also a new principal there whose phrase appears to be "if you don't like it, don't come." Before you say it, this is actually driving out the good staff and the decent students. Although under Mr Khan the college was nothing spectacular, it is going to get a whole lot worse under the new principle who is on a cost cutting exercise.

As for NELC, they couldn't give a monkeys about about football locally.

The college is living within its means at long last. The troubles it has today are largely the result of Khan doing nothing spectacular ........... which proved to be incredibly expensive.

The council as such cannot give a monkeys even if it wanted to without some councillors actually proposing something. We have been living in hope that Coun Fenty might have persuaded some others that a joint venture with the club would be mutually beneficial but apparently he must keep his footy and his politics in separate briefcases. Even so, if the council and the club agreed on a site for a new ground that included community facilities, there would still have to be private money involved. There is no good reason for an elected council to bail out a private company with taxpayers' money.

If the real truth of loss making businesses that Khan strted up for his "empire", then you'd know not to touch them with a bargepole. the current cost cutting is a save face to get them back on an even keel - ask any employee how their working conditions have dramatically changed for the worse over the last year.

I now have a wife that took redundnacy prior to being hounded out like several others there by slow deterioration of work processes, changes to contracts without recourse and wanting 4 days work inside 3 days of delivery time, with all prep work done at home in your own time, or face disciplinary actions.

The boss's job currently on offer @ £45000 + is the result of someone being slowly moved until their job was untenable.

If they had no Indian or Chinese paying students, there would be no Institute !

If people in colleges don't like it then leave. Grimsby institute is no different to any other education establishment up and down the land. Everyone is making cutbacks, particularly regulated services and those that offer FE and HE services too. Much of the college was in trouble because of Kahn and his crooked dealings and hairbrained ideas...things will get worse all over before they get better.

We've had to tender our contract with the Yjb three times in 18 months because they constantly want to to save money, beds etc.

Getting back to town, the college already is linked to some extent with gtfc and I think it's happy with it's involvement. We all know private investment is the only way forward with town, but again, is there anyone silly enough to invest in a football club?

Quoted from cmackenzie4

If the worst case scenario did come true,would we still have a fishy ?  

A novel idea, a football forum dedicated to a club that no longer exists. Might actually take off, the pessimistic b@stards that populate this board would have nothing to moan about at 4.45 on a Saturday and we could all have our rose tinted monitors and rattle on about how great it was to be a Town supporter.

Quoted from moosey_club

A novel idea, a football forum dedicated to a club that no longer exists. Might actually take off, the pessimistic b@stards that populate this board would have nothing to moan about at 4.45 on a Saturday and we could all have our rose tinted monitors and rattle on about how great it was to be a Town supporter.

We would probably all be posting on GBFC.co.uk, or whatever it's called.

Funny Chris as I was thinking the same thing! No club, no fishy, plenty of cry!

Quoted from moosey_club

A novel idea, a football forum dedicated to a club that no longer exists. Might actually take off, the pessimistic b@stards that populate this board would have nothing to moan about at 4.45 on a Saturday and we could all have our rose tinted monitors and rattle on about how great it was to be a Town supporter.

I'd wager that the vast majority of the pessimistic b@stards that populate this board haven't set foot near BP in many a long year.  I supose everyone is entitled to an opinion in our democracy but I really struggle with the concept of pouring the criticism based on newspaper/net forum reports ala STB and others.  If you've turned your back on the club that's your prerogative, but surely by doing that your opinion lessens?  He is funny mind.

Loads of councils have supported their local football teams, Chesterfield, Doncaster and Hull are local teams who have had strong support in building nice stadiums and are on the up.

We need the support of NE Lincs Council, does not have to be finacial help, just support in finding new land oppertunities, working together to attract new business and oppertunities to the area, this would help Grimsby as a whole.

Quoted from marinerian

Loads of councils have supported their local football teams, Chesterfield, Doncaster and Hull are local teams who have had strong support in building nice stadiums and are on the up.

We need the support of NE Lincs Council, does not have to be finacial help, just support in finding new land oppertunities, working together to attract new business and oppertunities to the area, this would help Grimsby as a whole.

Hull was/is exceptional though Ian because of the windfall from Kingston Communications.  

Quoted from sweetGTFC

Hull was/is exceptional though Ian because of the windfall from Kingston Communications.  

Maybe but all 3 examples show varying degree of how local authorities back their local club

The Council and the College have no "fecking money". In fact does anybody round here have any?

Quoted from oldun

The Council and the College have no "fecking money". In fact does anybody round here have any?

I never said the council had to put money! Many other ways the council could work with GTFC.

Quoted from marinerian

I never said the council had to put money! Many other ways the council could work with GTFC.

That's it ian, there is many ways they could assist us moving forward, not every thing evolves around cash although cash would be a massive bonus.

Quoted from Super Clive

That's it ian, there is many ways they could assist us moving forward, not every thing evolves around cash although cash would be a massive bonus.

Totally agree. We need to get rid of the MP's councilors and those happy to receive a pay check for not actually helping the Town and area, Grimsby needs new blood, fresh ideas so it can try to move forward, both club and Town.

We are a gateway to Europe, land is cheap compared to down South and plenty of room to build housing in the future, we should be reaching out to encourage new investment on the South Humber Bank.

It is all a great idea but with the people who represent us we have no chance of moving forward and will always be a little back water, so frustrating.

Quoted from Super Clive

Could we see one of these involved in the future of GTFC ? I know some clubs have there local council or college involved in some capacity, I know the ain't many fans of our local council but could be worth thinking about with help towards a new stadium and so on I can't remember which clubs have gone down this route Donny have but any more?

If the worsed happened and we was to go under would the council step in ? My first thoughts would be no but you never know untill it happens.

Darlo's Council don't give 2 felicitations about our club. But they was alrite granting that lunatic Reynolds permission to build the White Elephant Stadium. Then they had to the cheek to jump on the FA Trophy winners band-wagon. Fcuking mongs the lotta them.

Seems like NE Lincs is the same, all deluded idiots thinking they are better than everyone else.

Two many people in white collar jobs, having to much power, wealth and ideas to line their own back pockets in this country it seems to be the same for many areas.

At least you have a stadium and could use it for many events with the right stadium events planning team.

Quoted from marinerian

Loads of councils have supported their local football teams, Chesterfield, Doncaster and Hull are local teams who have had strong support in building nice stadiums and are on the up.

We need the support of NE Lincs Council, does not have to be finacial help, just support in finding new land oppertunities, working together to attract new business and oppertunities to the area, this would help Grimsby as a whole.

Yes we need the support of the council but we won't get that in cash. Neither did any of the 3 you mentioned. The help was in planning and in supporting other community aspects of the stadia. Hull City got their cash via the sale of KC so it wasn't taxpayers' money.

The way the council can help is to make it easy to find a good site and for planning permission and to agree to add on bits to the stadium that will be for community use. It's stupid the way we see BP lying idle all week and any new stadium ought to include facilities for local people to use, and pay for.

The snag is that this takes capital and the council can only get that as a grant from somewhere. Such things are a bit thin on the ground these days. The stadium itself would need capital as well, from a private source. Some of it could be financed from the sale of BP but in the current economic climate the proceeds of a sale will be fairly low. Equally, the chances of a big firm coming in with the massive investment for building the stadium are slim to zero.

It's a pessimist's market at the moment.

Quoted from marinerian

At least you have a stadium and could use it for many events with the right stadium events planning team.

Whatever we earn from events based at the stadium, about 50/60% of money taken HAS to be given to the Council.

Even on match-days, the £5 car-parking fee. £3 has to go to the council. Fooking joke. They don't give a flying fook.

Quoted from AndyDarloFC

Whatever we earn from events based at the stadium, about 50/60% of money taken HAS to be given to the Council.

Even on match-days, the £5 car-parking fee. £3 has to go to the council. Fooking joke. They don't give a flying fook.

It might seem like that as a supporter but the council put the cash up front, even if it was from selling KC, so council tax payers are surely entitled to see some return on the money.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

It might seem like that as a supporter but the council put the cash up front, even if it was from selling KC, so council tax payers are surely entitled to see some return on the money.

The Council didn't pay for anything to do with the stadium though.

A Donny fan i spoke to said the Keepmoat costs Donny Rovers a fortune and they owe millions?