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And so say all of us…..or at least we should.







ENGLAND

I think this really sums it all up.

After hearing that many cities did not want to offend other cultures by putting up Xmas lights, so DIDN'T!After hearing that the Birmingham council changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's licence with her face covered.

After hearing of a Primary School in Birmingham where a boy was told that for PE they could wear Football League shirts (Aston Villa, Birmingham, West Brom etc) but NOT an England shirt as it could offend others!

This prompted the editorial below written by a UK citizen.
Published in a British tabloid newspaper.

IMMIGRANTS. NOT BRITONS, MUST ADAPT.

Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on London , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Brits.

However, the dust from the attacks has barely settled and the 'politically correct' crowd begin complaining about the possibility that our patriotism is offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Britain . However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand..

This idea of  England being a multicultural centre for community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Britons, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of wars, struggles, trials and victories fought by the untold masses of men and women who laid down their lives and of the millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!


If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.. If St.George's cross offends you, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this.

But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I encourage you take advantage of one other great British freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.

We didn't force you to come here. If you don't like it GO HOME!!

You asked to be here.. So accept the country that accepted YOU. Pretty easy really, when you think about it.





If we all keep passing this to our friends (and enemies) it will also, sooner or later get back to the complainers, lets all try, please.

Well said,

I'd agree that it's well written and makes valid points but I think it's white, middle-class, hand-wringing, yoghurt-knitting, left wing liberals that cause problems by assuming that immigrants will be offended by these things rather than the immigants themselves. We are the only country in the world that go to these lengths and all it does is decrease patriotism and civic pride while increasing racial tensions.

i saw a polish bloke in tesco the other day and he was really badly dressed in a gaudy red leather jacket accompanied by some terrible sunglasses. I was frothing with outrage

bloody foreigners coming over here with their odd fashion sense

Isn't this speech the one that was doing the rounds but under an Australian guise?

As a fully paid up member of the yoghurt knitting, beard wearing, sandal eating, Guardian reading PC Brigade, I say, this is bollox.

If you can find one authenticated story that shows a council banning Christmas, or ordering someone to take a flag down because it offends immigrants I'm a Yorkie.

And will people stop using this American terminology for left wingers. Socialists are distinctly NOT liberal. If you want to abuse the left use our indigenous terms like "red scum", you Fascist pigs.

As for God being part of our country, have you seen how empty the churches are since the Poles went home?

great read

Quoted from Chrisblor

i saw a polish bloke in tesco the other day and he was really badly dressed in a gaudy red leather jacket accompanied by some terrible sunglasses. I was frothing with outrage

bloody foreigners coming over here with their odd fashion sense

No he was just off the Nunny

Quoted from TWAreaTownSupporter

As for God being part of our country, have you seen how empty the churches are since the Poles went home?

LOL!!!

Quoted from Reverendmariner

LOL!!!

surely this is not a laughing matter for you reverend?

what if you lose all your flock?!

Quoted from MOONSTOMP

After hearing that many cities did not want to offend other cultures by putting up Xmas lights, so DIDN'T!After hearing that the Birmingham council changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's licence with her face covered.

After hearing of a Primary School in Birmingham where a boy was told that for PE they could wear Football League shirts (Aston Villa, Birmingham, West Brom etc) but NOT an England shirt as it could offend others!

You'll find the DVLA in Swansea control the issuing of drivers licences (it's nothing to do with Birmingham City Council or any other Council and hasn't been since about 1972) you can rest assured that this story is complete bollox. If you're in any doubt I suggest you ask someone to show you their drivers licence and you'll realise what a complete load of tripe this is.

You might also try (and fail) to name one city council in England that has decided not to put up Christmas lights in 2009. I suggest you try to find one. You won't succeed. Apart from anything else Christmas is a commercial bonanza for shops who pay business rates which fund Councils

Since both those stories are clearly factually incorrect I suggest you take the post down

Quoted from TWAreaTownSupporter

As a fully paid up member of the yoghurt knitting, beard wearing, sandal eating, Guardian reading PC Brigade, I say, this is bollox.

If you can find one authenticated story that shows a council banning Christmas, or ordering someone to take a flag down because it offends immigrants I'm a Yorkie.

And will people stop using this American terminology for left wingers. Socialists are distinctly NOT liberal. If you want to abuse the left use our indigenous terms like "red scum", you Fascist pigs.

Well last year Oxford banned the word Christmas from it's Winter Light Festival. The source is the Guardian, so you've probably already seen it. [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/nov/02/christmas-political-correctness-oxford-christian[/url]

As for flags [url]http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article859734.ece[/url]. Other examples can be found at your local google.

I maintain that we are the problem here not immigrants. The ultra-PC brigade who think that the Crusades are a reason to be ashamed of our national flag and Christmas should be a multi-faith inclusive activity whilst maintaining the integrity of the various minority faiths. Pop down to your local mosque and see if they have a problem with swaping Ramadan for a Winter Fasting Festival better still, nip over to Saudi or Iran or Syria and see the lengths they go to in the name of inclusion.

If I moved abroad I would expect to adapt to the language, cultures and traditions of my new home and I believe the overwhelming majority of immigrants to this country feel the same. The fact is, for all their good intentions, the extreme left do just as much to promote alienation, division and ethnic disharmony as the far right do.

BNP springs to mind.  

Typical tinymind you only get free speech as long as you agree with me if not you are a Nazi.

Quoted from In Cod We Trust

I'd agree that it's well written and makes valid points but I think it's white, middle-class, hand-wringing, yoghurt-knitting, left wing liberals that cause problems by assuming that immigrants will be offended by these things rather than the immigants themselves.

I think that pretty much sums it up.

Quoted from In Cod We Trust

Well last year Oxford banned the word Christmas from it's Winter Light Festival. The source is the Guardian, so you've probably already seen it. [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/nov/02/christmas-political-correctness-oxford-christian[/url]

As for flags [url]http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article859734.ece[/url]. Other examples can be found at your local google.

It is sort of heartening that journalists from The Guardian can be just as incompetent as those from the Daily Mail:

http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/3814694.No_ban_on_Christmas/

Bloody useless left-wing (and right-wing) journalists getting their facts wrong. Interesting how long this false piece of information (propaganda?) is still going around despite being thoroughly debunked, though, isn't it?

As for the flag thing, quite right we should ban it, if you ask me. St. George was an Italian who never came to England and is the patron Saint of Catalonia, Portugal, Ethiopia, Genoa, Beirut and Moscow and we don't want those bloody foreigners coming over here, taking our jobs and shagging our women blah, blah, waffle, waffle, etc. etc...  

Quoted from In Cod We Trust

As for flags [url]http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article859734.ece[/url]. Other examples can be found at your local google.

Oh - it's in the Sun. Well it must be true.

Elvis is alive and living on the moon you know that I suppose

Quoted from Welwynmariner

Oh - it's in the Sun. Well it must be true.

Elvis is alive and living on the moon you know that I suppose

I think it was a footnote in the Childhood Wellbeing report commisioned by Ed Balls. Most likely bullshit though eh?

I don't know where you got this from but it is actually a copy of a speech the Australian Prime Minister gave referring to Austrailia with a few places and names changed.  I have it on my computer wishing that an English minister would have the balls to say such a thing!!

Quoted from MOONSTOMP

After hearing that the Birmingham council changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's licence with her face covered.

Point 1, as stated above, DVLA issues licenses, not City Councils.

Quoted from MOONSTOMP

But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I encourage you take advantage of one other great British freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.

As far as I'm aware, we don't have a "Pledge" that would be the Yanks, which is point 2, going to prove that this, whether we support it or not, was written in the good old freedom loving USA.

Quoted from Meggy

As far as I'm aware, we don't have a "Pledge" that would be the Yanks, which is point 2, going to prove that this, whether we support it or not, was written in the good old freedom loving USA.

It was actually originally by the AUSTRALIAN Prime Minister.

Quoted from In Cod We Trust

I think it was a footnote in the Childhood Wellbeing report commisioned by Ed Balls. Most likely bullshit though eh?

I think you found it in the Sun and just repeated it  Draw your own conclusions

Quoted from In Cod We Trust

If I moved abroad I would expect to adapt to the language, cultures and traditions of my new home and I believe the overwhelming majority of immigrants to this country feel the same. The fact is, for all their good intentions, the extreme left do just as much to promote alienation, division and ethnic disharmony as the far right do.

You'll have to venture out of the country and go meet some Brits abroad. People of all nationalities retain their language, culture and traditions. The English exported football, India Pale Ale and above all the English language.

Go to Chile and you'll even find a major league club called Everton in Vina del Mar, they won the Chilean league last year. Their local rivals are Santiago Wanderers. There's also a club called Rangers

Quoted from Welwynmariner

I think you found it in the Sun and just repeated it  Draw your own conclusions

Of course I did, The Sun along with The Daily Mail clearly provides me with all the information I need to form my opinions. Alternatively, here's a link to the referenced report [url]http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/research/data/uploadfiles/DCSF-RW031%20v2.pdf[/url] Try P66 for the info on our national flag.

I agree that ex-pats retain their culture and values but they have to make concessions to their host nation. On the whole in the Middle East, women are expected to dress conservatively and drinking (if permitted) takes place in set locations. You have to adapt to their culture but that doesn't have to be at the expense of your own identity.

The only real point (and there is only one) I was trying to make was that poorly thought out left wing initiatives do as much damage as right wing knuckle draggers. If the left pushes these type of policies they will continue to make people feel marginalised and that provides the foundations for the far right to build on. They can take evidence of these policies to areas like NE Lincs any prey on peoples fears, chuck in some rumours about Muslims being top of the council house waiting list and Poles being first in line for 'our' jobs and hey presto suddenly they have seats in the European parliament.

Another recent example was the Question Time debacle. Most of us will agree that Nick Griffin is a slimy, insipid toad but chucking him into an ultra left wing bear pit to show everyone how hideous he is backfired spectacularly. Those good left wing intentions did more to raise the profile of Griffin than 100 BNP party political broadcasts.

What we should be doing is aiming for the middle ground and dare I say it common sense, something which is sadly lacking in this country. This lack prevents serious debate on immigration because the race card will always inevitably be played. In my eyes, succesful immigration requires people coming here who have something to offer (we have a big enough work-shy benefit culture without importing new members), free to pursue their religous and cultural acitivities (as they are now) but not to the extent that it erodes our culture, values and national identity.

Sounds like none of these British ex-pats were all that bothered about integrating into their new country...

Quoted Text

Television shows such as Channel 4's A Place in the Sun promised adventure, swimming pools and the good life. A collapsing pound and the credit crunch have brought a harsher reality: homesickness, financial hardship and something those who call themselves "expats" rarely take into account, that they are immigrants – often with all the problems of not understanding the language or the rules. Interestingly, a surprising number of them list immigration as one of the things they dislike about Britain. Few, indeed, come from Britain's own ethnic minorities.

The article also starts off by mentioning the former existance over there of British butchers, bars and cafes although many have closed due to the recession.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/24/spain-expats

Quoted from In Cod We Trust

Of course I did, The Sun along with The Daily Mail clearly provides me with all the information I need to form my opinions. Alternatively, here's a link to the referenced report [url]http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/research/data/uploadfiles/DCSF-RW031%20v2.pdf[/url] Try P66 for the info on our national flag.

I agree that ex-pats retain their culture and values but they have to make concessions to their host nation. On the whole in the Middle East, women are expected to dress conservatively and drinking (if permitted) takes place in set locations. You have to adapt to their culture but that doesn't have to be at the expense of your own identity.

The only real point (and there is only one) I was trying to make was that poorly thought out left wing initiatives do as much damage as right wing knuckle draggers. If the left pushes these type of policies they will continue to make people feel marginalised and that provides the foundations for the far right to build on. They can take evidence of these policies to areas like NE Lincs any prey on peoples fears, chuck in some rumours about Muslims being top of the council house waiting list and Poles being first in line for 'our' jobs and hey presto suddenly they have seats in the European parliament.

Another recent example was the Question Time debacle. Most of us will agree that Nick Griffin is a slimy, insipid toad but chucking him into an ultra left wing bear pit to show everyone how hideous he is backfired spectacularly. Those good left wing intentions did more to raise the profile of Griffin than 100 BNP party political broadcasts.

What we should be doing is aiming for the middle ground and dare I say it common sense, something which is sadly lacking in this country. This lack prevents serious debate on immigration because the race card will always inevitably be played. In my eyes, succesful immigration requires people coming here who have something to offer (we have a big enough work-shy benefit culture without importing new members), free to pursue their religous and cultural acitivities (as they are now) but not to the extent that it erodes our culture, values and national identity.

Well said.

Quoted from In Cod We Trust

Of course I did, The Sun along with The Daily Mail clearly provides me with all the information I need to form my opinions. Alternatively, here's a link to the referenced report [url]http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/research/data/uploadfiles/DCSF-RW031%20v2.pdf[/url] Try P66 for the info on our national flag.

Remember Paul Simon saying that he gathered all the news he needed from the weather reports?

What this section actually says is

Many of the groups, both upmarket and downmarket, those who contained only white
English, and those who contained BMEs, felt that it was not longer permitted to be proud to
be English. There were many stories told of how their children had been sent home for
wearing clothing containing the Cross of St George, or being reprimanded for having a
English flag on their van. The general perception amongst respondents (parents and
carers in particular) was that it was no longer acceptable to be proud to be English.
“[His employer] had a go at me and made me take it in, during the World Cup, I ask you.
Every single other nation was proud to be flying their flag, and they made us take ours
down. What does that tell you about England nowadays?”
(Father, Family Depth, eldest child in KS3, Ripley)

The trouble is this is what happens when people make up and repeat stories like some of those you "invented" about Christmas Lights and Driving Licences, both of which are completely untrue.

As it happens I don't think it is appropriate to display any national flag on a work vehicle. It's what used to happen in Northern Ireland to keep the Catholic population in their place. There's a big difference between hanging a Union Jack out of your front bedroom window in the World or European Cup (it's your house and your business) or in your private car (I have a GTFC sticker on my back window btw) and sticking a Union Jack or a cross of St George on a van or in your workplace.

Children will be sent home (more likely they will be told to remove) any item of jewellery or badges not related to the school. It's common school uniform policy. So it's not about the cross of St George it's about jewellery of any kind

This was sent as an email so i posted it i do not care who or where it came from. All i want is for people to take note and listen, as uncomfortable as it may be for some people to accept many people infact nearly everyone i know agree with the statement. So shout it down and ignore them but do not bleat and whine  when they turn to a party they feel will listen to them. Because every lefty PC rule screamed out by some soap dodging student means unfortunately more votes for the Right.