Tonights Question Time

Well tonights QT looks like it will be more explosive then if we had a fans forum tomorrow. If you're unaware bonk eyed racist Nick Griffin is on the panel all in aid of free speech and on the left wing BBC no less! So if you're tuning in to Question Time for the first time and I wouldn't be surprised if that meant the vast majority of BNP supporters anyway here's a little drinking game to keep you occupied.

Drink One Shot If:

Nick Griffin mentions any of the words or phrases:

“Immigration”

“Ordinary People”

“Democratically Elected”

“Indigenous”

“War”

“Churchill”

“Our Troops”

“Dunkirk”

Somebody in the panel or the audience receives a round of applause for calling him bigoted/foolish/a Nazi tossbag/insert your own amusing but accurate insult here.

Drink Two Shots If:

Somebody asks why Nick Griffin keeps banging on about Dunkirk when we lost that one.

Nick Griffin is accused of being racist

Nick Griffin accuses that person of being a Stalinist

Drink Three Shots If:

Nick Griffin moans about how television isn’t as good as it used to be. What happened to ‘The Black & White Minstrel Show’ and ‘Love Thy Neighbour’?

He breaks into a version of ‘I Will Survive’

Down All Drinks If:

He attempts a comedy foreign accent.

Feel free to add your own!

The irony of all this is that the big furore that's been created by the opposition to him being on has given the BNP more press coverage than they ever could have wished for.

How stupid of these people.

What exactly are they all so scared about anyway? Is there really a risk that Nick Griffin will put on such a display of erudition that we'll all become raging racists and civil unrest will ensue?

I think if he gets a round of applause down all drinks

Its all kicking off outside the beeb now,

Should be an interesting programme tonight.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Its all kicking off outside the beeb now,

Should be an interesting programme tonight.

Question Time meets UFC

The one thing that makes me giggle is that all these anti-facist groups such as the UAF are nothing but hypocrites. By protesting the BNP appearance on QT they then portray themselves as facist as the do not wish a perfectly legitimate political party its right to put forth its views on the BBC.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Its all kicking off outside the beeb now,

Should be an interesting programme tonight.

Yep, same people were on the roof of the Houses Of Parliment, same people were on the runway at Stansted, same people were protesting at the G10 summit.  Full time protesters I'm afraid.  I want to see Mr Griffin tonight to make my own mind up about him and his party.  The stories aren't good so far but he has a right to speak and moeover we have a right to be able to listen.  There are serious race issues in this country and burying our heads in the sand won't resolve them.  We don't need fascism but then we don't need softy easy far left politics either.  IMO of course

What an amazing country we live in.

Get a duly elected party on Question Time and the looney left are up in arms big style.

Get a load of Radical muslims spitting at troops, protesting about all things British (whilst taking all the benefits possible) and they are just doing what they are entitled to do.

Maybe, just maybe if the government did a half decent job on imigration, the BNP would be where it belongs. - NOWHERE.  

As it is they have every right to be invited on national TV to put forward their views. Fair play to the BBC (and I never thought I'd be typing that).  For once they have got it right.

Instead of condemning the BBC for allowing the BNP onto Question Time, Peter Hain, Alan Johnson and the rest of the Labour government should be sitting down and asking why three million people voted for the BNP in the European elections. The irony is that many of those voters were previously Labour supporters and a bigger ideological shift you could not get in British politics.

Why do such people feel that they have to vote for the BNP? Is it because in straitened economic times they feel immingration is making the problems even worse? Do these former Labour voters feel abandoned by their traditional representatives?

Instead of condeming the BNP and calling their supporters Labour needs to sit down and talk to these people to find out just what went wrong. If Labour keep on ignoring such people then that will do more to popularise the BNP than any one-hour current affairs programme can.

Plenty of politicians and political commenators on the radio today lining up to have their say, only one came up with some sensible comments as to the rise of the BNP,
Of the three recently held major party annual conferences, none of them had immigration on the agenda ,the average working class voter, who may have shifted to BNP, is not a racist but is worried about unemployment, influx of cheap foreign labour etc and as the BNP are the only ones with this high on their list of priorities then they will prosper in a relatively small way.
I am glad they are on Q.T and i hope Nick Griffin comes across really well and forces the immigration issue onto the main parties agenda's.

Sick and tired of posturing politicians who are now all running scared from this minority party threat. The expenses scandal has once again shown them for what they are and its about time someone upset the apple cart a bit.

Quoted from moosey_club

Plenty of politicians and political commenators on the radio today lining up to have their say, only one came up with some sensible comments as to the rise of the BNP,
Of the three recently held major party annual conferences, none of them had immigration on the agenda ,the average working class voter, who may have shifted to BNP, is not a racist but is worried about unemployment, influx of cheap foreign labour etc and as the BNP are the only ones with this high on their list of priorities then they will prosper in a relatively small way.
I am glad they are on Q.T and i hope Nick Griffin comes across really well and forces the immigration issue onto the main parties agenda's.

Sick and tired of posturing politicians who are now all running scared from this minority party threat. The expenses scandal has once again shown them for what they are and its about time someone upset the apple cart a bit.

I quite agree. As a card carrying member of the Labour Party (although I think Gordon really is a moron) I abhor the BNP and everything it stands for. However what it does do is put focus on the one issue that really worries many people and that is unchecked immigration. Labour (and the rest) continue to stick their heads in the sand on this matter when so many votes stand on it.

Now, I believe if most BNP switchers fully understood what the BNP stood for they run a mile but whilst they speak something akin to what they want to hear, they will listen. If Labour truly met these voters halfway (ie clamp down on new immigrants, abolish benefits for such new immigrants, tighten our borders) and put such measures actually into place then BNP talk of deportation would be irrelevant. The BNP would be irrelevant.

But I'm afraid whilst the likes of Peter Hain and Alan Johnson (who in many respects I admire and would make a good replacement for Gordon Moron) continue to talk as they do, nothing will happen. Just save us from Harriet Harperson!

Quoted from kingofthekippers

I quite agree. As a card carrying member of the Labour Party (although I think Gordon really is a moron) I abhor the BNP and everything it stands for. However what it does do is put focus on the one issue that really worries many people and that is unchecked immigration. Labour (and the rest) continue to stick their heads in the sand on this matter when so many votes stand on it.

Now, I believe if most BNP switchers fully understood what the BNP stood for they run a mile but whilst they speak something akin to what they want to hear, they will listen. If Labour truly met these voters halfway (ie clamp down on new immigrants, abolish benefits for such new immigrants, tighten our borders) and put such measures actually into place then BNP talk of deportation would be irrelevant. The BNP would be irrelevant.

But I'm afraid whilst the likes of Peter Hain and Alan Johnson (who in many respects I admire and would make a good replacement for Gordon Moron) continue to talk as they do, nothing will happen. Just save us from Harriet Harperson!

Unfortunately what has happened with the rise and rise of the P.C brigade is that everyone is now sh/t scared of being labelled racist if you raise concerns about immigration. Racism is hostility to members of other races based on a belief that your own race is superior , it is not about having concern about further immigration due to economic meltdown of your own country.

I do usually watch question time but I'm not tonight as I can hazard a guess that watching it would not tell me anything I dont already know about the BNP or any of their policys outside of race. I'm in two minds as to whether he should be on there but I reckon he should and from what I have seen previously I doubt he will show much proof of being a politician, even a bad politician.

Quite cringeworthy seeing the protestors on the news, a fair few white student types with dreadlocks.

It is quite fun to watch the illegitimate squirm.

Nick Griffin's Imigration policy is right in my opion. Immigrants are hopping over countries just as and better equiped than us to get here

Well Griffin has lost all those homosexual racists now.  

It was all a fix the audience was picked by the BBC so Nick Griffin had no chance

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

It was all a fix the audience was picked by the BBC so Nick Griffin had no chance

Right. It's like a leftist Munich Putsch isn't it Wrawby.  

Im just saying, it wasnt a fair argument it was a witchhunt

Nick Griffin is no more against homosexuals than that syeed woman who was on there.

What goes around comes around.

Who remembers when Auntie Beeb wouldn't allow the IRA leaders on TV cos they were killing off politicians as well as policeman,soldiers and their own folks. I seem to remember Ken Livingston and others making a fuss about that.

Who remembers Peter Hain disrupting cricket matches and rugby matches in order to protest about South Africa.

Michael Foot and the ban the bomb gang CND

Somewhere in that heaving mass outside auntie tonight were budding labour politicians,perhaps a primeminister,a foreign secratary etc. To look them you would never believe would you?

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

Im just saying, it wasnt a fair argument it was a witchhunt

Seeing a clip on the news this morning he just looked completely out of his depth even resorting to doing a my dads bigger than your dad quip with Jack Straw.

I think he got away pretty scot free. There was potential for him to be ripped apart by the panel but they just got angry at him.

He is a slimy pig though and the Beeb sitting Ms. Greer, the black, American woman who's a curator of the British Museum was very well planned...!

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

Im just saying, it wasnt a fair argument it was a witchhunt

and because of this griffin will come out of this well

When does Gerry Adams get on question time, after all the IRA are a member of parliment now!

Quoted from Manchester Mariner

Seeing a clip on the news this morning he just looked completely out of his depth even resorting to doing a my dads bigger than your dad quip with Jack Straw.

That quip was SO funny. Jack Straw looked an absolute t**t last night - should be grateful to Griffin for taking the spotlight off him.

Don't think Griffin enhanced the BNP - given plenty of airtime but did not denounce many past quotes attributed to him.

The major parties did not come across at all well last night, they just kept returning any issue raised to race and in jack straws case blacks and browns, ignorant. Even Griffin had to remind him that immigration is not just about colour.
As i would not vote for Griffin i had little interest in how he performed, not very well in my opinion all the same but as somebody who's vote is out there for the taking ,as i dont staunchly follow any party, then the others by just focussing on race and picking on Griffin as they did have not done anything to convince me they are worthy of it.
Tub thumping by professional politicians aiming at a poorly prepared political novice is hardly the stuff of excellent government.

One question though, if, as they announce at the start of the show, all the questions are random and unannounced how come Jack Straw was reading and referring to ready information throughout ?

Jack Straw is a poor excuse for a human being, pretty much like most of the labour party. Griffin had one or two reasons why he didn't like islam and none of the reasons were anything to do with skin colour, as we live in a democratic society and have freedom of speech then he is entitiled to his opinion just like muslims are entiitled to theirs, and they can't stand the way we live in our own country. Agree with griffin on some of his views but don't really like the nasty things he stands for but as some of his views are not all racist i can see him getting a few more votes and the other parties are looking slightly worried.

I felt for Nick last night ....... or anyone else who would have to suffer that 'bear-pit' of abuse. The fact he has broader shoulders than most is credit to him, because had it been anyone else on the end of the abhorrent personal rants against him, they'd have flipped, burst into tears or simply walked out. It wasn't Question Time or topical debate, because 'they' simply couldn't risk it. Of the other panelists only Bonnie Greer came out of it with any credibility, and the 'banter' bordering on humour between her and Nick being the only redeeming feature of the night ...... oh and the fury of bank robber/letter bomb sender Peter Hain that he was on in the first place (snigger)

As for the Anti-fascist (a misnomer if ever there was one) 'rabble' outside BBC Centre ...... well a mixture of truly vile specimens, the usual Commie suspects who are 'silent' on Islamic Millitant issues, plus the odd stone island jumper thrown in   ...... its just a pity the OB didn't use their truncheons with the same ferocity that they do policing football.

We havn't heard the end of this saga .......  

Quoted from NorfolkImp

I felt for Nick last night ....... or anyone else who would have to suffer that 'bear-pit' of abuse. The fact he has broader shoulders than most is credit to him, because had it been anyone else on the end of the abhorrent personal rants against him, they'd have flipped, burst into tears or simply walked out. It wasn't Question Time or topical debate, because 'they' simply couldn't risk it. Of the other panelists only Bonnie Greer came out of it with any credibility, and the 'banter' bordering on humour between her and Nick being the only redeeming feature of the night ...... oh and the fury of bank robber/letter bomb sender Peter Hain that he was on in the first place (snigger)

As for the Anti-fascist (a misnomer if ever there was one) 'rabble' outside BBC Centre ...... well a mixture of truly vile specimens, the usual Commie suspects who are 'silent' on Islamic Millitant issues, plus the odd stone island jumper thrown in   ...... its just a pity the OB didn't use their truncheons with the same ferocity that they do policing football.

We havn't heard the end of this saga .......  

Which is exactly what he hoped people would do. Politics aside he made a very poor job of his big chance. As for the audience well, the Question Time audience are renowned for their loudness. (It was like a bear pit in Grimsby t'other month) You are far more intelligent than to be trying to jump on this victimisation bandwagon. It wasn't about the abuse it was about how he dealt with it. May I venture to suggest that complaining to the BBC because he was given a hard time will not get him too much credibility. I was very much in favour of him being given the chance to speak. The man is a political lightweight and his performance last night showed that when the going got tough he didn't...

Quoted from NorfolkImp

I felt for Nick last night ....... or anyone else who would have to suffer that 'bear-pit' of abuse. The fact he has broader shoulders than most is credit to him, because had it been anyone else on the end of the abhorrent personal rants against him, they'd have flipped, burst into tears or simply walked out. It wasn't Question Time or topical debate, because 'they' simply couldn't risk it. Of the other panelists only Bonnie Greer came out of it with any credibility, and the 'banter' bordering on humour between her and Nick being the only redeeming feature of the night ...... oh and the fury of bank robber/letter bomb sender Peter Hain that he was on in the first place (snigger)

As for the Anti-fascist (a misnomer if ever there was one) 'rabble' outside BBC Centre ...... well a mixture of truly vile specimens, the usual Commie suspects who are 'silent' on Islamic Millitant issues, plus the odd stone island jumper thrown in   ...... its just a pity the OB didn't use their truncheons with the same ferocity that they do policing football.

We havn't heard the end of this saga .......  

I didn't feel for him at all. He knew exactly what he was getting into and to be honest I don't think he performed that badly given the circumstances. Ie; the audience was hand picked.  The fact is (and I don't vote BNP), that SOME of the policy's of the BNP very much appeal to the common man.  It's just that we are not allowd to show it coz automatically we are all fully paid up members of the NF.  I notice that one more than one occasion the audience started to clap one of Nicks responses then realised they were not supposed to support anything this man said and the applause became muted.  Shamefull really.
As for Jack Straw, why did nobody boo him (or heckle him) when he came out with the obvious BULLSHIT about people not having any faith in the Labour immigration policy.  

Quoted from NorfolkImp

I felt for Nick last night ....... or anyone else who would have to suffer that 'bear-pit' of abuse.

Boo-hoo. My heart bleeds for him. Are we supposed to feel sorry for a KKK-lovin', holocaust denying twit like Griffin? I'm no leftie, but the BNP love playing the 'victim'.

I think the other panel members did a poor job of challenging him on policy. It was too much of a bear pit - from what I saw his policies sounded about as sensible as those of Screaming Lord Sutch (RIP).

Quoted from James77

Boo-hoo. My heart bleeds for him. Are we supposed to feel sorry for a KKK-lovin', holocaust denying twit like Griffin? I'm no leftie, but the BNP love playing the 'victim'.

I think the other panel members did a poor job of challenging him on policy. It was too much of a bear pit - from what I saw his policies sounded about as sensible as those of Screaming Lord Sutch (RIP).

Possibly quite right.  but why did non of the other members get as much stick?  Jack Straw saying that he didn't believe people had no faith in Labour Immigration policy, was as ridiculous as Nick Griffin saying that the haulocaust never happened. Both statements were absolute bollox, but Jck Straw got away with his (pretty much).  Why did no-one ask Jack Straw why the hi-jackers (that he promised would be deported)are still in this country ?

I dunno - UK immigration policy over the last decade or denying the extermination of 6 million Jews? As political lies go, the genocide issue trumps the political point-scoring over a poorly administered immigration system.

A ballsy BBC decision would have been to hold QT in Stoke or Burnley. I don't think last night's programme proved much as it was held in West London with a naturally hostile audience.

It would have been more meaningful had Griffin been effectively challenged in front of an audience of people (say) whose jobs have vanished overseas and find their communities facing rapid demographic changes without well-planned public service responses (eg competition for housing, doctors, schools etc).

Quoted from James77

It would have been more meaningful had Griffin been effectively challenged in front of an audience of people (say) whose jobs have vanished overseas and find their communities facing rapid demographic changes without well-planned public service responses (eg competition for housing, doctors, schools etc).

Good points raised there, but as I said, they were never going to allow a 'sensible' debate on current issues, in case he gave answers that 'some' of the viewing public would nod in agreement to. I agree with barra in that I'm not comfortable with Nick playing the 'victim' role yesterday. Enough liberals out there are emphasising with him already, without the 'poor me' response.

Btw: The look of 'guilt' on Jack Straw's face when challenged over the death's of 800,000 Iraqi citizens was priceless!

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Good points raised there, but as I said, they were never going to allow a 'sensible' debate on current issues, in case he gave answers that 'some' of the viewing public would nod in agreement to. I agree with barra in that I'm not comfortable with Nick playing the 'victim' role yesterday. Enough liberals out there are emphasising with him already, without the 'poor me' response.

Btw: The look of 'guilt' on Jack Straw's face when challenged over the death's of 800,000 Iraqi citizens was priceless!

jack straw tried to safeguard his own seat by his attacks on griffin

the hand picked audience is always the same on question time although the one the other night did have more a more ethnic audience than usual and it was a bear pit...however, he did know what he was getting in to but it just seemed abit of a sham from all angles, helped the ratings, probably raised the profile of the BNP in certain areas but also made him look a div

Thats because Nick Griffin is a div just like straw is gordon brown, peter hain, lord mandleson, bob (IRA supporting sharp object) Ainsworth .... Syeed (can't remember her surname, most powerful muslim woman in Britian) Why we need one of those is beyond me......

Quoted from OneNightInGrimsby

Thats because Nick Griffin is a div just like straw is gordon brown, peter hain, lord mandleson, bob (IRA supporting sharp object) Ainsworth .... Syeed (can't remember her surname, most powerful muslim woman in Britian) Why we need one of those is beyond me......

because within a decade sharia law will be inplace,get used to it

Quoted from pier39

because within a decade sharia law will be inplace,get used to it

Congratulations..you win today's prize for the most obtuse generalisation......

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Good points raised there, but as I said, they were never going to allow a 'sensible' debate on current issues, in case he gave answers that 'some' of the viewing public would nod in agreement to. I agree with barra in that I'm not comfortable with Nick playing the 'victim' role yesterday. Enough liberals out there are emphasising with him already, without the 'poor me' response.

Btw: The look of 'guilt' on Jack Straw's face when challenged over the death's of 800,000 Iraqi citizens was priceless!

Didn't go unnoticed chez barra...mind you the man is a total plank. Up against it because his constituency probably has one of the largest ethnic minorities in the country...He has more faces than a pair of dice...