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Roast Em Bobby
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Every single good side we’ve played this season played good football.


I'll be over the moon if we can play in the style of Stockport, Wrexham or Mansfield because they all play good pragmatic football. None of these teams play the tiki-taka/possesion at all costs style that Artell was trying to do before the big showdown, and that was the point I was trying to make.
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I'll be over the moon if we can play in the style of Stockport, Wrexham or Mansfield because they all play good pragmatic football. None of these teams play the tiki-taka/possesion at all costs style that Artell was trying to do before the big showdown, and that was the point I was trying to make.


Really not sure about that. Probably could put a decent point across for Wrexham but the other two have played some brilliant football, as have Wrexham at times. The quality of the players in those teams is night and day compared to the majority of ours, as I'd imagine the wage bill will be.
Saying that there are plenty of far less attractive teams with budgets closer to ours who play some decent stuff. Hopefully Artell can get us going.
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Quoted from Roast Em Bobby


I'll be over the moon if we can play in the style of Stockport, Wrexham or Mansfield because they all play good pragmatic football. None of these teams play the tiki-taka/possesion at all costs style that Artell was trying to do before the big showdown, and that was the point I was trying to make.


Probably worth managing expectations.

I’ll be quite happy to watch Town players that control & pass the ball, think about who their crosses are meant for & don’t take pot shots from outside of the box when they have open space in front of them to get closer to the target.


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Didn't the board say that PH changed his tactics last minute right up to the first game.  I wonder why he did this.




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I want and expect our players to be able to do the basics much better collectively. Set piece delivery needs to improve a rejuvenated Hunt may answer that? I never saw this season coming and despite my doubts on DA he deserves the chance to take us on.Good luck Dave UTM
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I want and expect our players to be able to do the basics much better collectively. Set piece delivery needs to improve a rejuvenated Hunt may answer that? I never saw this season coming and despite my doubts on DA he deserves the chance to take us on.Good luck Dave UTM


Exactly this. Good luck to DA. It’s fine to aspire to a better style of play but you’re relying on having the players to do it. At this moment, we’re a long way away.
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I want and expect our players to be able to do the basics much better collectively. Set piece delivery needs to improve a rejuvenated Hunt may answer that? I never saw this season coming and despite my doubts on DA he deserves the chance to take us on.Good luck Dave UTM


I expected us to struggle to better an 11th place finish. No way did I see Hurst being sacked, but he couldn’t replace McAtee and Smith like-for-like, and there was no way at all we could compete with the monied clubs. I think most on here pretty much had Stockport and Wrexham to go up, and Mansfield were definitely mentioned by most too.

Personally I felt we’d be comfortably safe, but also mid-table, maybe 14th-or-so. Underwhelming, not perilous.

I do think, however, next season is an opportunity to do well if recruitment is good. Let’s be honest, most of us didn’t have a clue who most of Hurst’s signings were. Names like Pyke and Rodgers were a complete unknown to us, and people just assumed they must be good, which was naive. I’d like to think that DA can attract some players we KNOW are good enough.
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Really not sure about that. Probably could put a decent point across for Wrexham but the other two have played some brilliant football, as have Wrexham at times. The quality of the players in those teams is night and day compared to the majority of ours, as I'd imagine the wage bill will be.
Saying that there are plenty of far less attractive teams with budgets closer to ours who play some decent stuff. Hopefully Artell can get us going.


The point I was trying to make (though obviously not very well) is that there is a world of difference between the way MK Dons play in-comparison to Stockport, Wrexham or Mansfield. All I'm saying is that I hope DA doesn't try to go down the MK Dons route because I don't think we can afford/attract the players required for that style and you have to be very very good at it in order to achieve success in this league. Yes, of course we all want players who can pass and control the ball better, but personally I hope DA is prepared to mix it up a bit and ensure that we have a fair bit of steel and athleticism as well because that is pretty much essential in L2
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Think you make a good point Roast Em, dont care who he signs, if he tries to revert back to his ideals we will be inexactly the same position, coz the players just wont be good enough or intelligent enough to do it.
I pray that he is humble enough to realise that the approach he had to be persuaded to take at least gives him the base to work from.its obviously effective ( just off play off form, Golly!) The players have improved under it, and they seem a lot more comfortable and confident.  
I do believe that if he sticks with this system ( with tweaks) hes not going to need quite the overhaul we all think.
For a start just replacing the inconsistent, misfiring, ageing Gav with a fully fit Ainley ( a man who has played 200 games at the top end of div 2 and above would improve us immensely). A really good commanding , experienced keeper ( say the ex orient keeper who is at Burnley n we were rumoured to be interested in) would do summat sumilar
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The point I was trying to make (though obviously not very well) is that there is a world of difference between the way MK Dons play in-comparison to Stockport, Wrexham or Mansfield. All I'm saying is that I hope DA doesn't try to go down the MK Dons route because I don't think we can afford/attract the players required for that style and you have to be very very good at it in order to achieve success in this league. Yes, of course we all want players who can pass and control the ball better, but personally I hope DA is prepared to mix it up a bit and ensure that we have a fair bit of steel and athleticism as well because that is pretty much essential in L2


Don't forget that DA is on a learning curve. His only previous club, Crewe, had a defined way of playing that was coached at all their levels. It was probably the only style  that DA knew and he could be forgiven in believing that we had the players capable of executing that same style. Once it became apparent that we didn't have that coaching structure which IMO led to the meeting post the Doncaster debacle, then a different approach was adopted. He will have learnt from this. His preferred approach is playing out from the back but until he has the players and coaching structure within the club then I think he will adopt a more practical approach. The whole process should be an evolution as opposed to a revolution incorporating more of a " mix and match" style. I'm sure the transfer window will demonstrate how he will proceed in our development and I'm also convinced that he  will have learnt from the last couple of months where he went wrong.


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