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lew chaterleys lover
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What an absolute crock of garbage this new age statistic is. How can you have an end of season table based on expected goals? They were expected but they didn't come. So theres an end to it. We finished 11th and we scored some goals, some of which were expected and some weren't. Another meaningless fabricated stat for the FIFA generation. It's balderdash.


I tried to be more diplomatic in my post but of course you are absolutely right, it's a load of old balderdash. Every match is a cornucopia of mistakes, successes and what might have beens which makes trying to give statistical meaning to one part of the game meaningless.
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I tried to be more diplomatic in my post but of course you are absolutely right, it's a load of old balderdash. Every match is a cornucopia of mistakes, successes and what might have beens which makes trying to give statistical meaning to one part of the game meaningless.


And yet the xG table is not far from being reflective of the actual table. Shows us as being one the few outliers, and hey presto, our finishing could be better or we need better strikers. Who'd have thought it?

I don't mind any amount of statistics being used as long as they're not completely replacing instinct and professional knowledge..
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The biggest biggest x goals underachievement in the table was Newport. Boggle in tge divisions leading scorers list so not sure that gives any confidence this means anything
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And yet the xG table is not far from being reflective of the actual table. Shows us as being one the few outliers, and hey presto, our finishing could be better or we need better strikers. Who'd have thought it?

I don't mind any amount of statistics being used as long as they're not completely replacing instinct and professional knowledge..


Just use the actual table then!

Of course I get what you are saying but you can analyse things anyway you like - we concede less goals we go higher in the table  ditto with scoring more.
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Whatever fans think of this data stream it is helpful to see us rated near the top of the adjusted table.  Much better than being rated bottom surely?

In American spirts they have a fancy name for an analysis on how teams perform when a player is not playing for any reason.  They conclude, or try to, the impact on team performance and results when a key player or players are absent.  I would think Waterfall and Clifton would be important misses for us.  
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Quoted from TownSNAFU5
Whatever fans think of this data stream it is helpful to see us rated near the top of the adjusted table.  Much better than being rated bottom surely?

In American spirts they have a fancy name for an analysis on how teams perform when a player is not playing for any reason.  They conclude, or try to, the impact on team performance and results when a key player or players are absent.  I would think Waterfall and Clifton would be important misses for us.  


It is of absolutely no value at all. We finished where we finished. It wouldn't matter if we finished top of the 'adjusted' table, the fact is we finished 11th. It is pointless issuing a table after the fact based on things that were expected to happen but didn't.





And when you fall back into the mud it hurts a lot.
No! None of it was true, none of those things we thought we could see existed at all.
All that was really there was still more misery

Emile Zola
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I'm all for looking at other statistics other than the league table. This gives us a look into where we are doing well or failing. Its no different from ground covered, sprints per 90, tackles won, headers won, crosses completed etc etc and surely with us moving out of the dark ages and into the modern era this is exactly the kind of data the club will be using?
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I'm all for looking at other statistics other than the league table. This gives us a look into where we are doing well or failing. Its no different from ground covered, sprints per 90, tackles won, headers won, crosses completed etc etc and surely with us moving out of the dark ages and into the modern era this is exactly the kind of data the club will be using?


When I was younger a college tutor proved to us that statistics (data) can be compiled, used and manipulated any way you like, to show any result you like and to achieve any objective you like and I still take this sceptical view all these years later!


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I’ve always said good teams create their own luck 🍀

Last minute winners , coming back from behind and getting lots of penalties isn’t down to good luck.
It comes down to belief , not giving up and spending lots of time and having possession in the opponents penalty box
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Old men in 'thinking something new is excrement' shocker.
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