Oh dear

Quoted from ska face

The Woking threads made specific reference to drug taking.

Again, this is part of the problem. It’s a lazy reference, not backed by anything, making a spurious claim that one set of people are fine and others not based on how far they’ve travelled?

I wasn’t on the train, but it’s pretty easy to see how some seats might’ve had píss on them - not acceptable, but I don’t think it’s a case of people being so drunk that they’ve píssed their pants, or people have just decided to start urinating all over each other. We’re not rugby fans. Overfill a train to a point where people can’t move down the carriage to reach the 1 or 2 toilets which were blocked after half an hour, and people are going to have to píss in bottles or cans.

Squeeze that many people onto a train going to Plymouth and you get the same result.

I was at Woking and there was a couple of the usual crowd snorting coke in the toilets.

I don't think we can massively affect how we are handled by those in control, Police, stewards, clubs etc, but what we (club and fans) can do is call out negative behaviour when we see it and highlight these behaviours and have discussions about it. The more we raise awareness, hopefully, we will get through that it is not acceptable. There seems to be a trend on here and on social media that when an issue is highlighted the first thing they do is attack those who highlight it. The standard lines are wheeled out to divert attention. "It happens everywhere" "it reflects society at large", "it happens at other sporting events", "I didn't see anything, so did it really happen?" "it's only a minority" "it's the police's fault" "it's the train operator's fault" and so on, and it is never the fault of those tiny minority of fans.  My assumption (rightly or wrongly) is that those who do everything they can to divert attention away from the buffoon minority are a part of these groups and are just protecting their own. The kind of behaviour we see from this element of Town fans is not acceptable and should rightly be called out.

I don't care if Leicester were worse than us the following day, I'm not fussed that these issues reflect society (I am but not in regards to watching Town) or that it happens at other clubs, all I want is for GTFC and it's fans to have ZERO of these drunken coke snorting dickheads. If this means we lose 100 fans off of our away and home figures so be it as I don't think they should be welcome. If people want to get...

Quoted from ska face

... absolutely píssed out my box for most of the match so can’t offer anything on the playing side...

... then maybe stay in the pub and don't ruin it for the majority.

And just in case anyone tries to twist my narrative, no I don't think it's all fans.

Quoted from ska face

Someone was arrested for it, according to the SLO.

The same bloke who was stood behind me and racially abused Arjan Raikhy.

For what it’s worth I don’t think GTFC do enough in regards to issues with spectator behaviour.

With regards to the racial abuse I witnessed on Saturday I informally reported the incident on the day to a police officer and filed a report with kick it out. I didn’t request anonymity so all related parties (GTFC, NCFC and police) were given my report with my name and contact details.

I received a phone call from a Nottinghamshire Police officer the next day. But GTFC appear to not be interested. I appreciate they can’t do anything, but a quick call or email costs no time at all and gives the impression that they care.

The Club not appearing to be interested just isn’t true. We’ve/I’ve not contacted you because we don’t know any details, nothing has officially come through from KIO or Notts Police.

It was mentioned to me by our DFO yesterday. Believe the report goes to the home Club/force to investigate initially.

I’ve just literally spoken to our DFO for an update. I’ll DM you now

Quoted from GollyGTFC

The same bloke who was stood behind me and racially abused Arjan Raikhy.

For what it’s worth I don’t think GTFC do enough in regards to issues with spectator behaviour.

With regards to the racial abuse I witnessed on Saturday I informally reported the incident on the day to a police officer and filed a report with kick it out. I didn’t request anonymity so all related parties (GTFC, NCFC and police) were given my report with my name and contact details.

I received a phone call from a Nottinghamshire Police officer the next day. But GTFC appear to not be interested. I appreciate they can’t do anything, but a quick call or email costs no time at all and gives the impression that they care.

Quoted from Kristine

The Club not appearing to be interested just isn’t true. We’ve/I’ve not contacted you because we don’t know any details, nothing has officially come through from KIO or Notts Police.

It was mentioned to me by our DFO yesterday. Believe the report goes to the home Club/force to investigate initially.

I’ve just literally spoken to our DFO for an update. I’ll DM you now

CYTFAIWP

Can you translate from acronyms into words please?

KIO - Kick it Out

DFO - Dedicated Football Officer

Quoted from HerveJosse

I think the way that trains are oversold and the cost is outrageous but I've been on 2 hour + journeys on heaving commuter trains and not once did anyody get urine all over the seats.  

The Times is at it again today front page of sports section someone more competent then me can provide a link. Apparently we were subject to the first targeted drug search operation Operation Wolfgang.

Not condoning bad behaviour, drug taking etc, but if they had done that piece last Saturday on Accrington Stanley away at say Crawley, then there would have been no article to write, they were looking for some sensational headlines from the start, that’s why they picked those 2 games in Nottingham last weekend. PS, don’t call me if Stanley and Crawley are in different leagues, I was just trying to post an example.

I was on the 10:39 train from Grimsby station with my nephew and a couple of his friends (all adults). We were housed in the very end carriage just before 1st class, I say housed, crammed would be a better description. We were stood back to back for the entire journey, as was the same in most carriages. I’m not defending any behaviour at all but the first point must be than East Midlands Trains would have been well aware from Police sources how many Town fans were likely to travel and they simply didn’t offer adequate enough carriages… it was bordering on bloody dangerous the amount of people on each carriage, a disaster waiting to happen that thankfully did not.

I can only speak for our carriage but the atmosphere was very positive. Loud? Yes, Chanting? Absolutely, Aggressive? Not at all. I cannot the say the same for the other carriages mind. We even had three ladies in their 40’s/50’s I’d guess heading to Nottingham on a day trip who joined in the fun and singing and had a great time. At no point did they appear worried, threatened or cautious, as was the Town fans behaviour!

One of the BIG problems, other than the over-crowding was the toileting facilities. There was ONE toilet that could be used separating three carriages as the next one along was out of order. You can appreciate just how problematic the station of hundreds of people, many drinking needing to share or wait for just one facility. There were reports of lads urinating in the aisle or on a seat which I absolutely don’t condone and think is a disgrace, but we were not helped at all by the facilities provided!

If anybody listened to the football forum tonight would have heard the Scunny fan actually defending Town fans when asked by Matt Dean about the Times article and he said, basically that football reflects society and the scenes on the train last week would ha e been no different if it were a music gig or outside any nightclub on a weekend were crowds of people are corralled together!

I also didn’t see any actual trouble on the way or inside the ground, yes the scenes in the concourse were a bit lively but nothing that you would see at most away crowds in my opinion. It certainly didn’t seem to stop or worry the many people who had taken their children to the game, females of all ages etc!

What I saw was lads young and old, drinking a little too much probably and consuming god knows what else and getting a little rowdy but I definitely didn’t come away thinking any less of our fans!

We’re an easy story and target though aren’t we! They make a huge deal of the amount of drugs found and seized… you cannot tell me you wouldn’t have found a similar amount of drugs at away crowds of comparable size at any ground in the country every weekend, this is not exclusive to Grimsby Town fans!

I would also add that I can’t comment on the train home as we were put on one of the replacement coaches, which, aside from the coach running out of power steering fluid and breaking down, conveniently just outside Donny services, the journey was quiet and peaceful. The driver was a little odd though I have to say!