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We were 6 points from the play off spots last week and are now 3 points off them. We have taken 7 points from the last three games and had the players done their jobs last night and made the most of some very promising situations, we would now be 1 point from the play off spots. We've also moved up the table one place.

Yes, last night was frustrating and we should have won, but we didn't. It happens.

Quoted from ginnywings

We were 6 points from the play off spots last week and are now 3 points off them. We have taken 7 points from the last three games and had the players done their jobs last night and made the most of some very promising situations, we would now be 1 point from the play off spots. We've also moved up the table one place.

Yes, last night was frustrating and we should have won, but we didn't. It happens.

A very important point (!) The table is looking better and a win on Saturday and we will be in the play off mix. I'm sure we would all settle for a play off spot after such a topsy turvy season and it's all to play for.

We can surely forgive last night and focus on the main prize.

Quoted from Son of Cod

Right, so a bad performance is relevant to the conversation at all times but when there's a good performance we're only talking about the ones that suit your agenda?

I definitely understand the frustrations around the same mistakes, however if you're Paul Hurst you probably don't see them as something that's had a negative impact on his career. If you breakdown his career...

Ilkeston and Boston - good jobs
Town first time - good job, achieved what he was employed to do
Shrewsbury - massively overachieved
Ipswich - bad job but given a shitter of a task and ousted way too quickly
Scunny - see Ipswich job
Town second time - doing slightly worse than you'd expect but we're still in touch with his remit this season, which was playoffs/stability

...he probably doesn't see any of the criticisms that you're laying at his door as valid, because he's either done well at every single job he's had or he's been the victim of a very harsh sacking. So why would he change his methods when, by and large, they've worked throughout his entire managerial career?

I'm not sure you can say not counting us losing as a 'good game' as an agenda, we can't possibly have gotten to that point surely?

You say they've worked but I think we took too long to go up last time round and his stubborn decisions had something to do with that. On top of that, his record in the past 3 years is absolutely atrocious so how long do you rely on methods from 6-7 years ago? The Ipswich job being a 'shitter of a task' is a great big myth as well, he spent far more money than McCarthy did the previous season but wasted it, ironically on signing the players he used at Shrewsbury, a move some might describe as slightly stubbourn!

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

A very important point (!) The table is looking better and a win on Saturday and we will be in the play off mix. I'm sure we would all settle for a play off spot after such a topsy turvy season and it's all to play for.

We can surely forgive last night and focus on the main prize.

You would hope so, but it's all doom and gloom on here, with loads of part time football managers seemingly knowing more about the game than a bloke with hundreds of league games and hundreds more as a manager.

Quoted from ginnywings

You would hope so, but it's all doom and gloom on here, with loads of part time football managers seemingly knowing more about the game than a bloke with hundreds of league games and hundreds more as a manager.

I would have been more critical if we hadn't put the effort in or just lumped it and hoped for the best but every player gave his all. We should have won, we should have a penalty and we totally dominated the game. Yes we could have tried some different things/formations but I thought a goal would definitely come. When we did change things we lost momentum so it was just one of those nights. Fair play to KL for keeping us out.

Quoted from pontoonlew

I'm not sure you can say not counting us losing as a 'good game' as an agenda, we can't possibly have gotten to that point surely?

You say they've worked but I think we took too long to go up last time round and his stubborn decisions had something to do with that. On top of that, his record in the past 3 years is absolutely atrocious so how long do you rely on methods from 6-7 years ago? The Ipswich job being a 'shitter of a task' is a great big myth as well, he spent far more money than McCarthy did the previous season but wasted it, ironically on signing the players he used at Shrewsbury, a move some might describe as slightly stubbourn!

They have had 6 managers since Hurst in less than 4 years, so...

Quoted from pontoonlew

I'm not sure you can say not counting us losing as a 'good game' as an agenda, we can't possibly have gotten to that point surely?

You say they've worked but I think we took too long to go up last time round and his stubborn decisions had something to do with that. On top of that, his record in the past 3 years is absolutely atrocious so how long do you rely on methods from 6-7 years ago? The Ipswich job being a 'shitter of a task' is a great big myth as well, he spent far more money than McCarthy did the previous season but wasted it, ironically on signing the players he used at Shrewsbury, a move some might describe as slightly stubbourn!

By agenda, I meant the clear anti-Hurst bias that you've had across both his reigns here. Not denying his record isn't great since going to Ipswich, but you also can't deny that he wasn't given a fair crack of the whip both there and at Scunny. He spent far more money at Ipswich than McCarthy because McCarthy was given absolutely pittance but Hurst wasn't exactly given a competitive Championship budget. He was given a top end L1 budget, so he signed top end L1 players at that time. McCarthy also quit because their fans are known idiots who expected a promotion push on said pittance budget and as has been said their board has gone onto be incredibly trigger happy so I don't think shitter of a task is too wide of the mark.

Regarding it taking too long for us to go up last time, I'll once again say what I've now said countless times to no response of any merit whatsoever from any of the Hurst Out lot...we never had a title winning budget. We had a budget to get us into the playoffs and he delivered that in 80% of his full seasons with us, the 20% being his first full season. How long do you think is a reasonable amount of time for us to get out of this division if you're given a top 5 budget over a title winning budget? I think a lot of the points you raise are definitely valid by the way and they're things that frustrate me about Hurst too, but I just find so much of the Hurst criticism to be incredibly knee-jerk.

Quoted from ginnywings

They have had 6 managers since Hurst in less than 4 years, so...

Cant speak facts like that on here

Quoted from Son of Cod

We had a budget to get us into the playoffs and he delivered that in 80% of his full seasons with us, the 20% being his first full season.

We had a "competitive" budget whatever that means. I got told it wasn't a top 5 budget though, meaning he technically over-achieved.

Since leaving Shrewsbury he's taken 3 pretty awful jobs. At Ipswich he was recruited because of his lower league credentials, the best players were sold which he was conveniently blamed for. At Scunny he was in conflict with Peter Swann pretty quickly. I always remember listening to RH one Saturday night and Matt Dean spoke to Hurst and Peter Swann. They both said totally different things regarding January transfers which told me the two of them weren't going to be working with one another much longer.

Then he came here, a club in freefall with the owner in the process of selling up.

Quoted from Hagrid

Cant speak facts like that on here

What a load of nosense. Lambert was there for 2.5 years, Cook for nearly a year and the current manager for over a year.

Hurst wasn't THAT bad at Scunny, they had a team akin to what Newell 'built' here, talent but bad attitudes.