Fair game initiative

Quoted from pen penfras

And your argument is lost the second that you want the money from their 'product' to be passed down the football pyramid. If it's about football and not the product, then there won't be the same amount of money to hand down.

Times change and so has football. If you don't embrace it, then you get left behind the rest of the world.

We dont want the money , thats the point , what they hand down is a pittance of what they receive anyway,  that is what creates the imbalance , "Fair" is the key word which you are missing from the initiative.
Talking of the Spanish debt...how many Premier League teams and former Premier League teams arent in massive debt ?

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Now you’re making things up. Re-read what he wrote. Did he say anything about money from their ‘product’?

Does it matter if the top ‘English’ division gets left behind anyway? It doesn’t mean a thing that clubs in the EPL are doing well in Europe. It doesn’t help anyone else. It doesn’t help England. We’ve had nearly 30 years of it and England still haven’t got any closer to a major trophy than they did under the old system in 1990.

All that has happened is the gulf has got wider and the top clubs have been allowed to scoop up all the kids who might, just possibly make it, then discard them when they don’t, having had hardly any development and no match experience.

Personally I couldn’t give a monkey’s if folk in Kuala Lumpur or Shanghai decide they no longer support ‘Manchester’ because they haven’t won the Not Champions League and start supporting Bayern Madrid, or Atlético Milan.

You make a very good point about 1990 however, the best system we ever had was in 1966. Winning the world cup proved it. Then we have the subject of young talent playing for their hometown clubs as we had in the late 1970's era for Town ( Donovan, Drinkall, Ford, the Moore brothers ). Any young lad now gets signed up for the big clubs, and how many make the grade with them? Very few in reality.

The big clubs with foreign owners who pile millions into these clubs in search of a trophy, or extra income from the champions league. Ah the income which generates millions for the owners which they take out,  like the Glaziers, in various disguises.

Then we come to realise that football is no longer football, as it was and still is, to an extent, in lower leagues. Is it a business, or product, or investment, or rich man's toy? Somewhere between 1966 and now football has changed. Some will say for the better but the proof is in the national team, how many competitions have they been in and how many have they won since 1966?

Quoted from moosey_club

We dont want the money , thats the point , what they hand down is a pittance of what they receive anyway,  that is what creates the imbalance , "Fair" is the key word which you are missing from the initiative.
Talking of the Spanish debt...how many Premier League teams and former Premier League teams arent in massive debt ?

You and Kingston should read the aims of the initiative you're backing then. Because that's exactly what they're saying they want.

Quoted from pen penfras

You and Kingston should read the aims of the initiative you're backing then. Because that's exactly what they're saying they want.

Admittedly , there is one point regards equitable and fair sharing of money down the pyramid , but it is one point , not the overall driving force of the initiative.  

Sorry, did I just read the word 'sustainable' in relation to the Premier League?

The Premier League is anything but sustainable.  It's a monster that creates unmanageable debt in clubs.  The internal workings of the league itself has led to clubs ripping themselves apart to get more money.  I'm amazed we haven't seen a Premier League club go bust yet.

Entertainment is subjective but in my eyes the Premier League largely isn't entertaining at all.  It's dull, drab and predictable.  Now you can argue the merits of it against the German, Spanish, French leagues....but it doesn't make it any more entertaining.  There may be more variation in who wins the league but generally it's a case of whoever doesn't win the league, spends a fortune the next year to win it, repeat for eternity.  You take Leicester's 2016 win out the equation and it's utterly dull and predictable.  The league was sewn up months ago, relegation was all but confirmed weeks ago, so we've had to see this faux interest in the race for the top 4.  

Compare that to the absolute drama of the play-offs.  

The government have announced the membership of the, ahem, “fan led” review panel.

https://mobile.twitter.com/uglygame/status/1396014496334983170


You’ve got an MP, a millionaire ex-player, a suit from Deloitte, an ex-advisor to William Hague Times Columnist, a former spin doctor for warmonger Tony Blair, a member of the English Cricket (!) Board, MD of train manufacturer, MD of Ford UK, Transport analyst KPMG, Former head of Aslef and three Lords who've not been on a train in 30yrs, one who owns a helicopter.


This is why initiatives like the Fair Game Initiative are important. Because the people tasked with overseeing the governance of the sport - a multi billion pound industry - don’t prioritise aspects that won’t line the pockets of them and their mates.