Hurst stats

Quoted from RichMariner

This is an interesting point.

Years ago, when we were still non-league and Hurst was on his way to delivering promotion via the play-offs, I wrote an article about how our margins of victory were consistently better in the first half of the season compared to the second.

Just off the top of my head, using our promotion season as an example, I can remember winning 4-1 three times (Barrow, Bromley, Aldershot I think) and 4-0 at Southport, 7-0 v Halifax, and a smattering of 3-1s (Barrow again, maybe Welling too?). After Christmas we had a run of games where we won by the odd goal (Forest Green, Southport at home, Wrexham... that 4-3 win at Aldershot).

I distinctly remember it being the reason why I thought we wouldn't overturn the 1-0 lead Braintree had on us in the play-offs. Turned out I was right, but I didn't anticipate extra time

That was also the picture on his full season at Shrewsbury. Results petered off towards the end after an excellent start to the season.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I fully accept that, I think Holloway was a complete knob, but according to the Board statement today Hurst was given the funds required to bring in the extra players he wanted. Trouble is he came in and just about slagged off the current squad then took too long to find his best team.

I wouldn’t place much credence on what the board say.

Scott and Hurst did the same thing when they took over, slagging off the squad they inherited. The assessment might have been correct but I think it’s classless to announce it publicly. A simple ‘we need to make some improvements to the squad if were to achieve promotion/survival’ type statement would have done.

When it comes to stats I find the form table useful:- https://www.soccerstats.com/formtable.asp?league=england4

We finished the season (last 12 games) as a mid-table team i.e. we got consistently better under Hurst, under Holloway our form must have been dropping and we had a bad start under Hurst.

I tend to agree Hurst is a long term manager and at he has us on a performance improving path. It will be tough in National League but he is as well equipped as anyone to get us out.

Thing is, you've got to look at it like this.

We are about to start our first season back in the National League and we're on the lookout for a new manager. Would you bring Hurst back?

You want a manager who has ideally enjoyed success at that level, maybe above. You want a manager who knows how to build a squad, because you're going to need togetherness in a hard, physical league. You want a manager who is going to get the best out of players who aren't going to be world-beaters, and someone who can spot a good player languishing in someone's reserves, or tearing it up in a league below.

There are a lot of things Hurst isn't, and he's by no means without faults. History should work in his favour here, having got us promoted from the NL, but people also remember the ear-cupping, the Parslow Point and the comment about being spoilt. Sadly, that festers away and grows over time.

The fact remains, he ticks a lot of boxes, and a lot of the qualities you need in a manager at this level. The fact that he wants to be here, despite probably thinking he could still manage in the football league, with new owners giving him greater scope to build a club rather than just a team, and I think you have to say it's hard to think of anyone better without speculating massively.

Quoted from RichMariner

Thing is, you've got to look at it like this.

We are about to start our first season back in the National League and we're on the lookout for a new manager. Would you bring Hurst back?

You want a manager who has ideally enjoyed success at that level, maybe above. You want a manager who knows how to build a squad, because you're going to need togetherness in a hard, physical league. You want a manager who is going to get the best out of players who aren't going to be world-beaters, and someone who can spot a good player languishing in someone's reserves, or tearing it up in a league below.

There are a lot of things Hurst isn't, and he's by no means without faults. History should work in his favour here, having got us promoted from the NL, but people also remember the ear-cupping, the Parslow Point and the comment about being spoilt. Sadly, that festers away and grows over time.

The fact remains, he ticks a lot of boxes, and a lot of the qualities you need in a manager at this level. The fact that he wants to be here, despite probably thinking he could still manage in the football league, with new owners giving him greater scope to build a club rather than just a team, and I think you have to say it's hard to think of anyone better without speculating massively.

You say that but having been sacked by his last two EFL clubs, and allegedly applied for others before GTFC and not getting them may suggest he wasn't probably going to get another job soon.

Despite saving Shrewsbury he has his detractors there as well.

https://blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/98817/get-hurst?page=4

Quoted from arryarryarry

You say that but having been sacked by his last two EFL clubs, and allegedly applied for others before GTFC and not getting them may suggest he wasn't probably going to get another job soon.

Despite saving Shrewsbury he has his detractors there as well.

https://blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/98817/get-hurst?page=4

every manager has their detractors - even Sir Alan! You've also ignored the whole host of salient points that Rich has made.
He is maligned, largely i think, because he is Paul Hurst .

PS just 1 other point - January was a crucial month but what didn't help was that we were playing twice a week & the weather & training facilities were awful. i bet there was very few days when Hurst and Doig could do any proper work with the squad they wanted, which was precisely when we needed them to be hands on, day in, day out

It's hard to imagine Holloway gained more points than Hurst.  I know which team I'd rather watch.  Once we went 1 down under Holloway it was curtains.  The lads under Hurst at least gave us hope and showed a bit of fight. One thing that the stats can't tell us is how the 'feeling' was around the camp.  I am sure there was a lot of negativity when PH arrived and that takes a lot of time to turn around.  True other teams can bounce back after a manger leaves (Barrow for example) but that could be for a number reasons, such as a bit of luck that gains you three points or a group of players who actually wanna wear that shirt.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I fully accept that, I think Holloway was a complete knob, but according to the Board statement today Hurst was given the funds required to bring in the extra players he wanted. Trouble is he came in and just about slagged off the current squad then took too long to find his best team.

And of course everything in that statement was " the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth". Was Hurst told "to bring in, he had to ship out"? We don't know any caveats attached to the statement " funds required to bring in the extra players he wanted".

Quoted from arryarryarry

You say that but having been sacked by his last two EFL clubs, and allegedly applied for others before GTFC and not getting them may suggest he wasn't probably going to get another job soon.

Despite saving Shrewsbury he has his detractors there as well.

https://blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/98817/get-hurst?page=4

It may be unfair to Hurst to see Ipswich as a 'normal' sacking. That club looks unmanageable at the moment - you think we have high expectations, they're a club who have won in Europe and a string of decent managers have made little or no impact. When he went there I thought it might be a mistake.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I fully accept that, I think Holloway was a complete knob, but according to the Board statement today Hurst was given the funds required to bring in the extra players he wanted. Trouble is he came in and just about slagged off the current squad then took too long to find his best team.

I don't believe it, why should we. After all, the board are now blaming Holloway, who was a fellow director but failed to sack him.

The old saying is throw enough sh!t and some will stick.